These are rules where c/2 frontends (B-heptominoes and relatives) act as failed replicators. There are lots of such rules, and it's hard to say for sure which one was first. Thrre are also multiple rulespaces that can be found by hand rulegolfing and search programs exist that sweep through the entire rulespace looking for spaceships.pipsqueek wrote: ↑December 5th, 2022, 6:04 pmI have seen some certain rules discussed within a particular rulespace, the rules have RRO Herschels (or Herschel descendants or whatever) that
interact to create strange extremely slow or high period spaceships like in this rulemost of these kind of spaceships are all in different (but related) rules. where did these kind of rules originate from? is there a rule which led to the discovery of this rulespace?Code: Select all
x = 91, y = 113, rule = B2in3-ekny4kt5ery6cin7c8/S2aek3-ace4eiyz5eik6-ck7e8 6bo$5bo$5bo2bo$3bo3b2o$4bo2bo$4bo2bo$4b3o15$3o$obo$2b2o$obo$obo$2o29$ 22b2o$21bobo$21bo$21bo2bo8b2o$22b2obo6b2o10b2o$25bob2o17b2o$25b3o14bo 4bo$26bo14bo2bo2bo$45b2o14$87b2o$89bo$86b2ob2o$85bob3o$82bo4b2o$86bo 26$54b2o$54bobo$48b2o4bob2o$47bobo5b2o$48b2o5bo!
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#C period 59, 2 copies at T = 21
x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-cr4cejnw6ak/S2-ce34jn5cei6akn
6o!
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#C period 73, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 61
x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-r4cjw5a6cn7c/S2-c3-c5ai6aen
6o!
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#C period 83, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 52
x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-r4cw5aqy6c/S02-c3-n4k5ai6a
6o!
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#C period 90, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 72
x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-ck4cjkw5acjy6a/S2-ce3-c4jnqy5ai6akn
6o!
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Here's another (1,2,2)confocaloid wrote: ↑December 7th, 2022, 6:33 amThere are oscillators "made out of themselves", where one phase is made of several non-interacting copies of another phase. Which sequences of the number of copies are possible? Examples for sequences (1,2) and (1,2,2), found from this replicator using searchRule-matchPatt.py:
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#C period 59, 2 copies at T = 21 x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-cr4cejnw6ak/S2-ce34jn5cei6akn 6o!
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#C period 73, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 61 x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-r4cjw5a6cn7c/S2-c3-c5ai6aen 6o!
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#C period 83, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 52 x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-r4cw5aqy6c/S02-c3-n4k5ai6a 6o!
In the last example, two copies of phase 0 appear at different times in two different ways.Code: Select all
#C period 90, 2 copies at T = 21, 2 copies at T = 72 x = 6, y = 1, rule = B3-ck4cjkw5acjy6a/S2-ce3-c4jnqy5ai6akn 6o!
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#C P1064, 1 @ 0, 2 @ 53, 2 @ 98
x = 27, y = 5, rule = B2n3-cy4t5acqy6c7/S2-i3-cknr4ct5cn6ce
o5bo13bo5bo$b2ob2o15b2ob2o2$2b3o17b3o$3bo19bo!
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x = 43, y = 168, rule = FeynmanDiagramGen
2C$2C$CD$.2C$.2C$.CD$2.2C$2.2C$2.CD$3.2C$3.2C$3.CD$4.2C$4.2C$4.CD$5.2C
$5.2C$5.2C$5.2C$5.2C$5.2C$5.2C$5.2C$5.CD$6.2C$6.2C$6.CD$7.2C$7.2C$7.C
D$8.2C$8.2C$8.CD$9.2C$9.2C$9.CD$10.2C$10.2C$10.CD$11.2C$11.2C$11.2C$11.
2C$11.2C$11.2C$11.2C$11.2C$11.CD$12.2C$12.2C$12.CD$13.2C$13.2C$13.CD$
14.2C$14.2C$14.CD$15.2C$15.2C$15.CD$16.2C$16.2C$16.CD$17.2C$17.2C$17.
2C$17.2C$17.2C$17.2C$17.2C$17.2C$17.CD$18.2C$18.2C$18.CD$19.2C$19.2C$
19.CD$20.2C$20.2C$20.CD$21.2C$21.2C$21.CD$22.2C$22.2C$22.CD$23.2C$23.
2C$23.2C$23.2C$23.2C$23.2C$23.2C$23.2C$23.CD$24.2C$24.2C$24.CD$25.2C$
25.2C$25.CD$26.2C$26.2C$26.CD$27.2C$27.2C$27.CD$28.2C$28.2C$28.CD$29.
2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.2C$29.CD$30.2C$30.2C$30.CD$
31.2C$31.2C$31.CD$32.2C$32.2C$32.CD$33.2C$33.2C$33.CD$34.2C$34.2C$34.
CD$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.2C$35.CD$36.2C$36.2C$
36.CD$37.2C$37.2C$37.CD$38.2C$38.2C$38.CD$39.2C$39.2C$39.CD$40.2C$40.
2C$40.CD$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.2C$41.CD!
@RULE FeynmanDiagramGen
1 = determined off
2 = determined on
3 = active off
4 = active on
@TABLE
n_states: 5
neighborhood: vonNeumann
symmetries: none
var a.1={0,1,2,3,4}
var a.2=a.1
var a.3=a.1
var a.4=a.1
var a.5=a.1
var b.1={1,3}
var c.1={2,4}
a.1,a.2,b.1,a.3,a.4,1
a.1,a.2,c.1,a.3,a.4,2
a.1,a.2,a.3,3,c.1,4
a.1,a.2,a.3,4,b.1,4
a.1,a.2,a.3,3,b.1,3
a.1,a.2,a.3,4,c.1,3
a.1,a.2,a.3,a.4,a.5,0
@COLORS
0 0 0 0
1 60 60 60
2 255 60 60
3 127 127 127
4 255 127 127
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S2ae
2b2o$3bo$o3b2o$2o3bo$2bo$2b2o!
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S3kq
3bo$2b2o$bo2b2o$2o2bo$2b2o$2bo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
With rules changed to be closer to each other, the first rule has S2a and second rule has S3q:muzik wrote: ↑January 3rd, 2023, 11:54 amIs it possible for both of these oscillators to coexist in one rule by alternating two non-isotropic rules? From what I can see, S2a is the main issue here, but only four out of every eight possible rotations/reflections of 2a are present at any given generation. The oscillators need not still work after being reflected.Code: Select all
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S2ae 2b2o$3bo$o3b2o$2o3bo$2bo$2b2o!
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S3kq 3bo$2b2o$bo2b2o$2o2bo$2b2o$2bo!
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S2ae3k
2b2o$3bo$o3b2o$2o3bo$2bo$2b2o!
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3a/S2e3kq
3bo$2b2o$bo2b2o$2o2bo$2b2o$2bo!
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x = 18, y = 35, rule = B/S012345678History
4.3F8.F$4.F.F7.2F$4.F.F8.F$4.F.F8.F$4.3F7.3F4$2.4D6.4D$2.D2CD6.D2CD$
4DC3D2.3DC4D$DC3D2CD2.D2C3DCD$D2C3DCD2.DC3D2CD$3DC4D2.4DC3D$2.D2CD6.D
2CD$2.4D6.4D2$18F2$2.4D6.4D$2.2DCD6.DC2D$3D2C3D2.3D2C3D$2DC2D2CD2.D2C
2DC2D$D2C2DC2D2.2DC2D2CD$3D2C3D2.3D2C3D$2.DC2D6.2DCD$2.4D6.4D4$4.3F8.
F$4.F.F7.2F$4.F.F8.F$4.F.F8.F$4.3F7.3F!
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Three.confocaloid wrote: ↑January 8th, 2023, 6:55 amHow cheap (in terms of glider synthesis cost) can be a RCT, if you can choose any isotropic rule that is both fertile and mortal, and then you can choose (to be used in a synthesis) any glider that works in the chosen rule? What if Golly ruletables are allowed as well?
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As far as I understand, a three-glider RCT would be something like this?pzq_alex wrote: ↑January 10th, 2023, 10:01 pmThree.confocaloid wrote: ↑January 8th, 2023, 6:55 amHow cheap (in terms of glider synthesis cost) can be a RCT, if you can choose any isotropic rule that is both fertile and mortal, and then you can choose (to be used in a synthesis) any glider that works in the chosen rule? What if Golly ruletables are allowed as well?
(1) Two initially present gliders collide to make the stationary part of the RCT and exactly one escaping glider.
(2) Later, third initially present glider collides with the escaping glider from the first collision to make an approaching spaceship (with speed equal to 1/3 of the speed of the glider) and exactly one added glider that would bounce between the approaching spaceship and the stationary part.
Probably such a rule exists (and would be possible to find) in the rulespace of isotropic Golly ruletables, since there are so many rules and so many degrees of freedom. OTOH it does not seem very likely that there is an INT rule where this would work.
Two gliders would not suffice since there are only finitely many 2G collisions.
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x = 4, y = 2, rule = B3-cjkq4knqy5cnr7/S02-cn3-ak4eiq5kq6e7e
b3o$o2bo!
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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2e3ijn6n/S1c2cek3n
o$bo$bo$2o!
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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2k3-ejny4knqtw5cjny6en7c/S01e2aen3ijnry4ikqtyz5-cekr6ckn7c
2o2$bo!
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x=17,y=16,rule=B3/S23
3bo3bobo2bob2o$bobo4bo4b4o$bobo5bobo2b3o$b2obob2o3b2o$3o4b2ob2o2b2o$4b
o4bo$4b2obobob2ob3o$3ob3o2b2o$b3o2bobobo5bo$o3b2o3bobo2b2o$4bo3bob2o3b
o$2obo2bobobo2b2o$3b3o5bo2b2o$2obo4bo2bob2o$o3bob2obo3b2o$2bo8bobobo![[ STOP 3 GPS 4 ]]
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The way I found those two patterns was by starting with an idea of exactly what behavior I wanted(eg. the Langton's Ant), and finding surprises along the way(eg. the irregular replicator).pipsqueek wrote: ↑January 21st, 2023, 7:20 pmhow was the rule for this langtons ant simulator found?or what about irregular replicators?Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 2, rule = B3-cjkq4knqy5cnr7/S02-cn3-ak4eiq5kq6e7e b3o$o2bo!
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x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2e3ijn6n/S1c2cek3n o$bo$bo$2o!
I knew a Langton's Ant pattern would need a way to store the state of each "metacell" to know which way to turn. I chose the simplest possible option, where a dot represents a "right" turn and an empty space would represent a "left" turn. I also chose to use a R-pentomino as the base pattern, for no particular reason other than a guess that B3ai would be easier to work with.
First, I rulegolfed by hand until I found a rule where the R-pentomino moved forward and rotated. Then modified the rule to make it leave a dot where it started. This was the "left" turn.
The right turn was found by using EPE to find a rule where the R-pentomino would turn right if there was a dot in front of it, with the same spacing. After letting the search go for a while, it eventually found the result above.
The irregular replicator was something I found by chance while rulegolfing a different project.
My general suggestion is to start from scratch (I think there are enough B3/S23 variants). Have an idea of exactly what core features a rule should have, like a ship, oscillator, weird symmetry, or whatever else you want. Then keep adding transitions for a long while, exploring each rule as you go. Finally, after you have a rule with many different pattern you like, and you can't change the rule without breaking them, then it's complete. Afterwards you share your results, and start running some searches.
You will probably have something unlike what anyone else has made, and has a decent chance of being interesting enough for you or someone else to enjoy for a while.
EnumPattEvo I believe.pipsqueek wrote: ↑January 21st, 2023, 7:20 pmor this SMOS?Code: Select all
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2k3-ejny4knqtw5cjny6en7c/S01e2aen3ijnry4ikqtyz5-cekr6ckn7c 2o2$bo!
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You do realize that you could encode extra information in the gliders themselves, right?confocaloid wrote: ↑January 11th, 2023, 8:17 amAs far as I understand, a three-glider RCT would be something like this?pzq_alex wrote: ↑January 10th, 2023, 10:01 pmThree.confocaloid wrote: ↑January 8th, 2023, 6:55 amHow cheap (in terms of glider synthesis cost) can be a RCT, if you can choose any isotropic rule that is both fertile and mortal, and then you can choose (to be used in a synthesis) any glider that works in the chosen rule? What if Golly ruletables are allowed as well?
(1) Two initially present gliders collide to make the stationary part of the RCT and exactly one escaping glider.
(2) Later, third initially present glider collides with the escaping glider from the first collision to make an approaching spaceship (with speed equal to 1/3 of the speed of the glider) and exactly one added glider that would bounce between the approaching spaceship and the stationary part.
Probably such a rule exists (and would be possible to find) in the rulespace of isotropic Golly ruletables, since there are so many rules and so many degrees of freedom. OTOH it does not seem very likely that there is an INT rule where this would work.
Two gliders would not suffice since there are only finitely many 2G collisions.
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B345j/S23e67
obo$o2bo$o2b2o$b2o2bo$2bo$3b3o!
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x=4, y=9, rule=1e234j/3-j/6
.2A3$2A$A.EA$.BEA$2.C$.B2C$2.2A!
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https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xp1 ... 11/b34s267rutabaga wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:44 pmHas anyone seen this p10 flipper oscillator in this rule? I'm assuming so, but wanted to make sure, and also to point it out because it's really cool.Code: Select all
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B345j/S23e67 obo$o2bo$o2b2o$b2o2bo$2bo$3b3o!
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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A near-example:
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x = 27, y = 27, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife
.pB13.O2.O6.D$pB.pB3.E2.E4.O9.D.D$pB.pB7.E3.O3.O5.3D$pB.pB3.E3.E3.4O6.
D.D$.pB5.4E13.D.D2$4.17pB3.2N$24.N.N$.pB2.D2.D3.2B4.N2.N3.2N$2pB6.D4.
B2.N7.N.N$.pB2.D3.D3.B3.N3.N3.2N$.pB3.4D7.4N$3pB9.B12.2R$10.R13.R$9.R
14.R$9.3R12.R$25.2R$4.17pB2$2pB4.E2.E5.O2.O$2.pB7.E3.O$.pB4.E3.E3.O3.
O$pB6.4E3.4O$3pB$6.R11.R$5.R13.R$5.3R9.3R!
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4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o![[ THEME 0 AUTOSTART GPS 8 Z 16 T 1 T 1 Z 19.027 T 2 T 2 Z 22.627 T 3 T 3 Z 26.909 T 4 T 4 Z 32 T 5 T 5 Z 38.055 T 6 T 6 Z 45.255 T 7 T 7 Z 53.817 LOOP 8 ]]
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I tried to find a rule where this becomes an actual example:squareroot12621 wrote: ↑February 9th, 2023, 9:49 pmIs there a rule such that two spaceships, A and B, can be moved and/or phase-shifted to create 0, 1, and 2 of the spaceship C? (Bonus points if it's within 5 transitions of CGoL.)
A near-example:Code: Select all
x = 27, y = 27, rule = 12ColorMarkedLife .pB13.O2.O6.D$pB.pB3.E2.E4.O9.D.D$pB.pB7.E3.O3.O5.3D$pB.pB3.E3.E3.4O6. D.D$.pB5.4E13.D.D2$4.17pB3.2N$24.N.N$.pB2.D2.D3.2B4.N2.N3.2N$2pB6.D4. B2.N7.N.N$.pB2.D3.D3.B3.N3.N3.2N$.pB3.4D7.4N$3pB9.B12.2R$10.R13.R$9.R 14.R$9.3R12.R$25.2R$4.17pB2$2pB4.E2.E5.O2.O$2.pB7.E3.O$.pB4.E3.E3.O3. O$pB6.4E3.4O$3pB$6.R11.R$5.R13.R$5.3R9.3R!
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#C LWSS + LWSS => 2G
#C [[ ZOOM 8 THEME LifeHistory ]]
x = 19, y = 4, rule = B36k/S234q
o2bo11bo2bo$4bo9bo$o3bo9bo3bo$b4o9b4o!
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#C Advance one LWSS, and you get 1G
#C [[ ZOOM 8 THEME LifeHistory ]]
x = 18, y = 5, rule = B36k/S234q
o2bo$4bo9b2o$o3bo8b2ob2o$b4o9b4o$15b2o!
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#C Advance again, and you get 0G
#C [[ ZOOM 8 THEME LifeHistory ]]
x = 18, y = 5, rule = B36k/S234q
o2bo$4bo8b4o$o3bo8bo3bo$b4o8bo$14bo2bo!
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Logically, it should be 2^(4*4) = 2^16 = 65536. but that is only the best you could do (in a non-isotropic rule. in an isotropic rule, there would be symmetry restrictions) there may not be a p65536 in a 4x4 bounding box (which is very likely to be true)
that is assuming it stays within that bounding box. you could probably use LLS to figure that out.
and out of curiosity, can I have the RLE for that oscillator?
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x=17,y=16,rule=B3/S23
3bo3bobo2bob2o$bobo4bo4b4o$bobo5bobo2b3o$b2obob2o3b2o$3o4b2ob2o2b2o$4b
o4bo$4b2obobob2ob3o$3ob3o2b2o$b3o2bobobo5bo$o3b2o3bobo2b2o$4bo3bob2o3b
o$2obo2bobobo2b2o$3b3o5bo2b2o$2obo4bo2bob2o$o3bob2obo3b2o$2bo8bobobo![[ STOP 3 GPS 4 ]]
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The oscillator is included in the OmniOsci project as a minimal nrv example: https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xp6 ... n4iy5ei6ak
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x = 67, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
27bo21b2o13bo$3bo$o2bo12bo13bo$19bo10bo18bo2bo10bo2bo$19bo!
Anyway, LLS found this p68 very quickly, so we could probably find a much higher period:
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2cn3-ceir4-eqryz5-ckqy6ace7/S02cen3-cer4-ceqt5cei6-k7e8
b3o$bobo$o2bo$2b2o!