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### Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **August 29th, 2017, 7:16 am**

by **Saka**

The SMOS collection is a collection of spaceships that are made up of other spaceships, usually gliders. The ships will collide and the mess they have created will respawn the ships.

Here are some:

11c/77

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```
x = 3, y = 19, rule = B2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7e/S2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8
bo$2bo$3o14$3o$2bo$bo!
```

5c/47

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-ekry4centyz5ikry6aei7c/S02aen3ijnr4aijrty5iy6an8
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

2c/25

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3-cqr4-ijkrw5-acny6cei7c/S2-ik3ijknr4aei5nqr6ak
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

3c/66

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3aijn4ntwz5acek6ikn7e/S2-k3-cy4ajrwyz5ac6c7c
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

3c/53

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3-kr4ejq5aei6-ak7c8/S02ace3-ei4cijnrz5aikq6aik7e
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

6c/137

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-eky4cejkntz5aeikq6-c7e/S2ae3-acek4acij5ceq6ik7
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

4c/17

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B3acijn4-aijkr5ir6aci7c/S2ae3ijknr4aceijqy5ckr6ekn
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **August 29th, 2017, 10:07 am**

by **toroidalet**

From

this thread

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```
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
8bo$6bobo$8bo4$bo2$3o!
```

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```
x = 9, y = 10, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
3o2$bo5$7bo$7b2o$7bo!
```

both c/63 diagonal.

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```
x = 10, y = 14, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
7b3o2$8bo3$bobo$bobo$o3bo2$2bo2$3bo$2bobo$2bobo!
```

c/47 orthogonal.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **August 30th, 2017, 7:24 am**

by **Saka**

toroidalet wrote:From

this thread

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```
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
8bo$6bobo$8bo4$bo2$3o!
```

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```
x = 9, y = 10, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
3o2$bo5$7bo$7b2o$7bo!
```

both c/63 diagonal.

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```
x = 10, y = 14, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r
7b3o2$8bo3$bobo$bobo$o3bo2$2bo2$3bo$2bobo$2bobo!
```

c/47 orthogonal.

Oh yeah, forgot about those. I'm not sure if the last one counts, it's a rake-based ship but the rake itself is made of gliders.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 1st, 2017, 11:50 am**

by **dvgrn**

I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um...

a few more gliders. -- Aha, see, only one paragraph! ... But the linked message has five paragraphs, right in line with the

prediction, and the message that that message links to is even worse. Drat.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 1st, 2017, 7:50 pm**

by **Saka**

dvgrn wrote:I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um...

a few more gliders.

I love the idea of that. Have any prototypes been made?

dvgrn wrote:-- Aha, see, only one paragraph! ... But the linked message has five paragraphs, right in line with the

prediction, and the message that that message links to is even worse. Drat.

I AM A PSYCHIIIIIIIC

Anyway, has anyone tried using different glider formations or even different spaceships?

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 1st, 2017, 7:51 pm**

by **muzik**

I tried (really stupid and brief) searches using lwsses and tlife ts. Nothing.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 8:45 am**

by **dvgrn**

Saka wrote:dvgrn wrote:I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um...

a few more gliders.

I love the idea of that. Have any prototypes been made?

Well, it's definitely a work in progress. More in the blueprint stage for the moment, though. Usually in these macro-ships the first construction plan turns out to be a lot bigger and more complicated than necessary, so it's worth kicking around different designs for quite a while before committing to one.

The

original plan I posted in Basic Questions was pretty detailed, but it involved a long thin memory loop that was parallel to the incoming stream of gliders. Macbi's suggestion yesterday uses a memory loop perpendicular to the gliders. The next stage might be to plot out whether one of these designs is a lot easier to implement than the other, for whatever reason.

Macbi has also

questioned my math, showing that there might be even less space in a Cordership-generated memory loop than I thought -- but

it's still possible that I was more or less right. However, it may turn out that the idea of a

Lone Parallel Glider will turn into Two Parallel Salvos, somewhat analogous to the Gemini. Why waste all that time reaching way over to the side to build a big enough memory loop, when there could be another cooperating salvo over there already, building its half of two loops?

Then each salvo would use one of the loops to get itself back from haploid to diploid again, after which both loops self-destruct and we move on to the all-gliders stage in the next cycle.

Further bulletins as events warrant (probably mostly in the

Self-Synthesizing Spaceship thread.)

**EDIT:** First blueprint.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 8:48 am**

by **Saka**

muzik wrote:I tried (really stupid and brief) searches using lwsses and tlife ts. Nothing.

I tried T-ships, 1M and nothing too.

4c/28

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```
x = 9, y = 3, rule = B2kn3aijnq4jt5iry6ain7c/S2aek3-ae4inry5cei6cn7c
bo5bo$2bo3bo$3o3b3o!
```

6c/47

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```
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-ckr4eknty5i6-ae/S02ae3ajnr4cnqz5cejr6en8
bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 11:09 am**

by **toroidalet**

3c/76 T-ship:

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```
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B34eijktz5ainq6-ci7c/S2-in3-cjkq4ijyz5k6akn7e8
3o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!
```

5c/63:

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```
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B34cknqrw5cikr6-k7e/S2ace3-cjkq5y
3o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!
```

c/20:

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```
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B3-k4einqtz5cinr6in/S2ac3-cjkn4w5er6ae
3o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!
```

(HINT: If the 2 ts are in the same phase, the search will go nowhere. I leave this to the reader to figure out.)

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 11:50 am**

by **muzik**

Well, the symmetries would clearly stop it from being a spaceship in any isotropic rule, assuming they're hitting head on. They probably could be a spaceship if they collided at 90 degree angles in the same phase.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 11:54 am**

by **A for awesome**

muzik wrote:They probably could be a spaceship if they collided at 90 degree angles in the same phase.

Here's an example of that (c/60 diagonal):

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```
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2n3-kn4ejrtz5-aeiy6k7/S2-i3-cn4eijqrwy5aen6en7e8
5bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!
```

EDIT: c/53 diagonal:

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```
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2in3-kn4kryz5iknr6ek7c/S2-ei3-cr4cjkqy5-aikr
5bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!
```

c/34 diagonal:

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```
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2n3-cq4cejrwz5cjnr6ei7/S2ace3-qr4cnry5cknry6ak8
5bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!
```

Same:

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```
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-cknq4cnr5nr6k/S2acn3-c4iknqry5-ei6-ck7c
4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!
```

c/18 diagonal:

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```
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-c4eijnwz6ek7e/S2ac3aceiy4cijrz5acjy6-ac7e
4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!
```

6c/122 diagonal:

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```
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-cknq4enr5qry6aei8/S2-ik3-c4cejqrwy5-eijk6-ac
4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 8:00 pm**

by **Saka**

Yay!

So, the keys to finding one are:

1. Make diagonals collide on an orthogonal axis, and make orthogonals collide on a diagonal axis.

2. If doing step 1, make ships the same phase.

3. Try doing different phases.

4. Try messing with spacing.

5. Be patient, most dont show up until more than 100k rules.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 2nd, 2017, 11:13 pm**

by **Saka**

2c/45d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2i3-cq4ery5-ae6n8/S2-i3-jnr4ejknqry5eknqy6ikn7e8
6bo$5b2o$6bo3$bo$3o!
```

EDIT:

Awesome 4c/60!

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```
x = 3, y = 17, rule = B2n3-ckq4-aceir5-aejy6-in7c8/S2ace3-jqr4cnz5ekny6k7e8
bo$3o$3o11$bo$obo2$3o!
```

A different glider formation 3c/43

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```
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3aijn4w5ce6ce7c/S2-n3-aq4aeqrtw5-ce6ai7c
bo$2bo$3o4$6b2o$6bobo$6bo!
```

2c/54

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```
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2i3-ekq4acejkwy5ery6-kn7c8/S2-c3-a4ijnt5aeqry6-ai
bo$2bo$3o4$6b2o$6bobo$6bo!
```

Couldn't find an LWSS SMOS

**ANOTHER EDIT:**
New ship that's super quick:

3c/38

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```
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cen6e7e/S12-in3ijy4kqrt5jkqr6-ik7
bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo!
```

2c/51

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```
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2-ai3q4ceryz5cjnqr6-ik7e8/S12-in3a4eijrz5aik6-en7e
bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo!
```

4c/34

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```
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cen3aceky4cinrtz5ijr6ein7e8/S12aek3ei4knqr5a6ai7e
bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo!
```

c/10

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```
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2ce3e4iy7c/S12-n3acein4acjnqr5-iknr6ek7c
bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo!
```

c/11

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```
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cek3ay4ijz5aekn6cei7/S12-ci3acnq4nqyz5cnry6i7c
bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo!
```

4c/34, different spacing

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```
x = 9, y = 3, rule = B2ce6in/S12-in3acekn4cjnqy5aiy6ek8
bo5bo$bo5bo$o7bo!
```

**Yet more edits:**
c/21d with an old classic ship

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3aij4a6c/S12ei3-cny4-jy5-cen6e7c8
3b4o$4b2o2$o$2o$2o$o!
```

2c/30d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ik3-ckq4-jrwz5-cjny6-e7e8/S01e2i3aci4aknqrw5jk7e
3b4o$4b2o2$o$2o$2o$o!
```

EDIT: This post is huge!
Another new spaceship, 3c/22d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ek3-cjnq4akz5k6-ac7e/S1c2-in3ejq4kry5enqry6i
5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo!
```

2c/12d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2en3ceijy4ae5ekn6an7c8/S2-in3i5c
5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo!
```

c/55d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2eik3-ckny4cjkqwy5ekqr6ik7c/S2-in3k5j6a7c
5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo!
```

c/44d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2en3ijkqr4cnqrt5acnq6en7/S2-in3ijkr4ejtwy5cjqy6-ei7e8
5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 2:26 pm**

by **Hdjensofjfnen**

Does this count?

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```
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2-a/S12
2bo$2o6$8b2o$8bo$8bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 2:28 pm**

by **muzik**

That doesn't count, since the spaceships aren't being regenerated to collide with each other repeatedly.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 2:29 pm**

by **Hdjensofjfnen**

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 2:35 pm**

by **Hdjensofjfnen**

So they have to be SMOShed together to count?

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 8:55 pm**

by **toroidalet**

c/26 diagonal:

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```
x = 7, y = 8, rule = B3-cknq5kr6c/S2ac3-r4ceiknyz5cjnr6ikn7e8
3o$bo4$6bo$5b2o$6bo!
```

6c/71 diagonal:

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```
x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3-ckq5ay7e/S2-i3aeiky4eijknqr5acjky6ei
3o$bo7$9bo$8b2o$9bo!
```

c/27 diagonal:

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```
x = 6, y = 7, rule = B2in3-knq4cejknty5-ceqr6aci7c/S2ack3-cjr4-akntz5acejn6en7c8
3o$bo3$5bo$4b2o$5bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 9:37 pm**

by **Hdjensofjfnen**

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:So they have to be SMOShed together to count?

Sometimes I

at my own jokes...

And sometimes I think they're stupid.

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 3rd, 2017, 10:40 pm**

by **toroidalet**

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:Sometimes I

at my own jokes...

And sometimes I think they're stupid.

Just stop posting (or make posts relevant). It was annoying to log on only to find out that you had just posted a ton of (mostly) useless comments about other things.

really sparky 2c/31:

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```
x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2n3-ckry4aiqyz5akry6ei7e/S2ace3-acqy4ijnry5acin6e7
2bo$obo$b2o6$b2o$obo$2bo!
```

[off-topic]This ship can delete gliders from afar:

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```
x = 19, y = 11, rule = B2n3-ckry4aiqyz5akry6ei7e/S2ace3-acqy4ijnry5acin6e7
17bo$16bo$bo14b3o$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
```

[/off-topic]

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 5th, 2017, 6:25 am**

by **Saka**

Oh. My. God

9c/168

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```
x = 11, y = 3, rule = B2cen3cy4-ainq5cejnr6aik8/S12-in3ejq4rwz5j7c8
bo7bo$bo7bo$o9bo!
```

It qualifies a lot of criteria for a pattern I consider "Utterly Amazing":

>Is a spaceship

>Is a SMOS

>Far glider seperation

>Seems like an explosive soup (AKA. "Reaction ships")

>"Irregular" speed

>Odd numerator

>

*Natural reflection reaction*
>Endemic (Only works in 1 rule)

Just missing "odd denominator", "uber sparky", and "oblique", but "oblique" is not possible with this design.

EDIT:

3c/31d

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```
x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2eik3-cjk4-ijqtz5-iry6ae7c8/S2-i3jnr4aew5y6aek7
6b2o$6bo$6b2o4$3o$obo!
```

4c/53, different spacing

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3aeijn4-krt5iqr6ace7e8/S2aei3aijnr4cr5y7c
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

2c/26

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3-kry4q5q6ck/S02aen3-ckqy4acinqw5eijq6en78
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

5c/30

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3-cer4acejkqw5cjkqy6ack7/S02-k3-ai4atw5jky6eik7c
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

A different 2c/33 that's really non-monotonic

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3aijnq4a5k6a/S2-ci3ajnqr4arw6ack
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

4c/28

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2k3aijny4a/S02aen3ijnr4cejnty5jn6ik7e
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

2c/155

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```
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3-cekr4aintwyz5-eikn6-en7c8/S2aei3jnr4acejrw5i6in
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 6th, 2017, 7:30 am**

by **Saka**

New formation, c/65d.

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cei3ae4cijtwz5aenqr6cei78/S123jk4aqrwy5cq6cei7c
2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo!
```

I have devised a (terrible) scoring system:

s = separation of gliders by cells

ts = time for separation after collided (First touching/interacting) in gens (First touch is not counted)

p = period

bonus points (BP):

-Sparky (Has interactable sparks)

-Shows interesting reactions (Reflection etc.)

-Wrong direction (Only for orthogonals made of diagonals and diagonals made of orthogonals)

S_Score = (s/ts + ((s/ts) * BP))*p

So for example, the ship above has s = 5 (See gen 58), ts = 51 (Gen 7 to 58), p = 65, and 1 bonus point (Sparky), shown below:

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```
x = 9, y = 12, rule = B2cei3ae4cijtwz5aenqr6cei78/S123jk4aqrwy5cq6cei7c
8bo$6b2o4$2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo!
```

So this gives (5/51 + 5/51)*65 = (10/51)*65 = 12.35

The ship has an S_Score of 12.35

If somebody has a better score system then please do.

Another example:

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```
x = 3, y = 19, rule = B2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7e/S2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8
bo$2bo$3o14$3o$2bo$bo!
```

(The first in the thread)

s = 13

ts = 52

p = 77

BP = 0

13/52*77 = 19.25

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 6th, 2017, 8:08 am**

by **Saka**

3c/63d

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```
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2-a3cq4eijqy5kry6ae7/S12aek3a5j
2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo!
```

s = 3

ts = 58

p = 63

BP = 0

3/58*63 = 3.26

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 6th, 2017, 10:45 am**

by **toroidalet**

Saka wrote:
9c/*168*

[snip]

>Odd denominator

[snip]

Just missing "odd numerator"

FYI, it has an odd numerator, not denominator.

4c/52:

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```
x = 4, y = 9, rule = B2ci3aijky4iz5cejq8/S1c2aei3-ey4cqrtyz5iknry6cn7c
o2bo$b3o6$b3o$o2bo!
```

### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Posted: **September 18th, 2017, 7:23 am**

by **Saka**

Back in business!!

4c/55o

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```
x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2k3-eqry4cez5akqy6-ae78/S02aei3-cy4aijqy5jr6-ce7c8
bo$2bo$3o6$3o$2bo$bo!
```