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Making a rule table...

Posted: April 12th, 2011, 9:31 pm
by 12Glider
Hello. I was wondering if somebody could make a rule table emulating the Triad rule in MCell. Any help will be accepted! :D
I know the general behavior of the rule, but I am lost as to how to translate it to a .table format.
The rule is behaves exactly the same as Brian's Brain, with 2 colors. States 1 (red) and 3 (blue) are on cells; 2 (dark red) & 4 (dark blue) are dying cells; when 1 and 3 interact, State 5 (Yellow) is produced.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 5:30 pm
by Extrementhusiast
I had this same problem earlier, but I also got help with this. I'm not sure if this is the rule you are specifying, but I'll do my best:

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4,5}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Save this as triad.rle.

And for the colors:

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color = 1 255   0   0
color = 2 128   0   0
color = 3   0   0 255
color = 4   0   0 128
color = 5 255 255   0
Save this as triad.colors.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 6:38 pm
by 12Glider
That's almost exactly what I need! Just one thing though: 5 doesn't act as a still life; it moves with other patterns, and makes them behave differently. Other than that, it's great!
Run this pattern in MCell to see what I mean.

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#MCell 4.20
#GAME User DLL
#RULE Triad
#BOARD 320x240
#WRAP 1
#CCOLORS 6
#D Red and Blue never fought it out this good!
#D 
#L 14.CC$.EE11.DDE$ABDCE8.C.BE$AB.CDBE.EE..D$4.CD.CDBCC$5.CD..DD$7.CD.C
You'll see spaceships emitting yellow cells. These spaceships are exhibiting the behavior that I seek with 1,3,& 5.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 6:58 pm
by 12Glider
I did find a nice line stretcher though.

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x = 23, y = 49, rule = Triad
15.BA$15.BA$8.B2.B2.A$7.A5.BA$.B6.BA2B3.B2.BA$2A7.A3.2B2.2A.BA$.B.B7.
B2.2A2.BA.BA$2.A13.BA3.BA$14.BA$12.BA$B3.A.BA2.BA$2.2A2B2.BA$.2B3.BA$
4.BA$2.BA$.BA18$.DC$2.DC$4.DC$.2D3.DC$2.2C2D2.DC$D3.C.DC2.DC$12.DC$
14.DC$2.C13.DC3.DC$.D.D7.D2.2C2.DC.DC$2C7.C3.2D2.2C.DC$.D6.DC2D3.D2.D
C$7.C5.DC$8.D2.D2.C$15.DC$15.DC!

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 10:20 pm
by Extrementhusiast
That is actually FAR TOO LARGE! It's actually so small that I could fit it in an ASCII:

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42
42
55
31
31
Perhaps you meant this?

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5
0,1,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,3

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Or perhaps this?

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4,5}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5
0,1,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,3

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 11:33 pm
by flipper77
Perhaps you meant this?

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5
0,1,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,3

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Or perhaps this?

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4,5}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5
0,1,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,5,i,j,k,L,m,n,3

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Neither of these are rule tables exhibit the same behavior as the one 12Glider is referring to. From what I've seen, any state 5 cells that are born one generation die immediately after.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 13th, 2011, 11:43 pm
by Extrementhusiast
(I don't use MCell, so that's why I'm having trouble figuring out the exact rule.) From flipper77's description, here is another table:

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,2,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var L={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}

# Birth
0,1,1,i,j,k,L,m,n,1
0,3,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,3
0,1,3,i,j,k,L,m,n,5

# Survival (none)
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
2,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4
4,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
5,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Surprisingly, the second variation that I posted can emulate Wireworld, as far as I know. Here is an XOR gate:

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x = 20, y = 33, rule = (rulename)
7E$EBA3.2E$6E.E$5.E.E$4.2E.3E$4.E4.11E$4.E.2E11.E$4.E4.11E$4.2E.3E$5.
E.E$6E.E$EBA3.2E$7E8$7E$E2B3.2E$6E.E$5.E.E$4.2E.3E$4.E4.11E$4.E.2E11.
E$4.E4.11E$4.2E.3E$5.E.E$6E.E$EBA3.2E$7E!
In the same variation, here is an unstable wickstretcher base:

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x = 18, y = 14, rule = (rulename)
.A14.A$A16EA$2A.B3A.2B.3AB.2A$.2BA2.B.2B.B2.A2B$.A4.AB2.BA4.A$7.A2.A$
6.B4.B$6.AB2.BA$7.A2.A$6.B4.B$6.AB2.BA$7.A2.A$8.2B$8.2A!

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 14th, 2011, 12:54 am
by flipper77
This one doesn't work right either. Try downloading the setup for MCell from this site by clicking the "MCell setup" link, and install it, then after it's all set up, then copy and paste the MCell pattern above in 12Glider's last post by going to File > Open Special > Open from clipboard.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 14th, 2011, 1:20 pm
by Extrementhusiast
Is this simply a three-colored variation on Brian's Brain?

Since this is taking such a long time, I'll just provide the general format. (I also do not wish to download MCell just to look at a particular rule.) First, start with this "heading":

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute
This assumes that there are five ON states and one OFF state, that it is in the Moore neighborhood (like the original Brian's Brain), and that any rearrangement of a specific cell's neighbors generates the same central cell one generation later (also like the original Brian's Brain). To comment out a line, insert a number sign, a space, and the comment, like this:

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# This is an example comment.
Now comes the harder part.

There are actually two different parts. The first part is the general cellstate-change rules. To do this, insert this in:

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center-start,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,center-end
Replace "center-start" with the cellstate that you want to change. Replace "center-end" with the final result. Replace "01"-"08" with whatever cells are needed to change the cell from the "center-start" cellstate to the "center-end" cellstate. This will most likely be confusing, so I'll give an example:

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0,1,2,0,0,0,0,0,0,3
This means that a cell of state 0 (empty) needs one cell of state 1 and one cell of state 2, and six cells of state 0, to change to state 3. Multiple changes can be implemented for the same cellstate, as in this example of 3-4 Life:

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0,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,1
0,1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,1
One more thing: if a cell in the final rule does not satisfy any condition (like if there are five live neighbors around a dead cell in 3-4 Life), it stays the same.

Now for the second part. If a neighbor can be any value out of a particular set of values, do something like this, as in another example from 3-4 Life:

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var a={0,1}
0,1,1,1,a,0,0,0,0,1
You could even define something as crazy as this:

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var a={2,5,7,8,11}
This would mean that in the cellstate-change condition, a particular neighbor can be any of states 2, 5, 7, 8, or 11, but none others.If there are multiple cellstate sets, use a different sequence of letter without spaces after "var", like this:

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var a={0,1,3}
var b={1,2,7}
var ab={0,1,2,3,7}
If there is more than one of the same variation needed, do something like this (from LongLife, B345/S5):

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var a={0,1}
var b={a}
0,1,1,1,a,b,0,0,0,1
One more thing: I tend to use a capital L instead of a lowercase l, because in my computer's font, the "l" and the "1" look identical. I hope this explanation was easy enough for you to understand, and yet thorough enough to cover your future rule-table-making adventures.

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: April 14th, 2011, 3:04 pm
by 12Glider
This rule is actually a little bit different, in the fact that if the different cells are pack close enough, they make different spaceships.
To demonstrate this, I'll make a little drawing of sorts:
....
.12.
.12.
.... This is the basic block ship in BB. p1.

....
.14.
.12.
.... This is the block ship in Triad, with a state 2 cell being replaced with a state 4 cell. This is actually p2, because a generation later, this appears:

..55
.124
.12.
....

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: August 16th, 2011, 4:04 am
by flipper77
I think I got the ruletable right:

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,1,2,3,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var l={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}
var q={0,2,4,5}
var r={q}
var s={q}
var aa={q}
var ab={q}
var ac={q}
var ad={q}
var ae={q}
var af={1,2}
var ag={1,3}

#No birth
0,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,ad,ae,0

#Birth
0,ag,ag,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,ag
0,1,1,3,q,r,s,aa,ab,1
0,3,3,1,q,r,s,aa,ab,3
0,1,3,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,5
0,1,3,1,3,q,r,s,aa,5

#Survival change
1,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,3 
3,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,1

#Transition
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4

#Death
q,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Since this is my first real ruletable, I'm sure this could be compressed further, but I believe it works since it functions the same as in Mcell

EDIT:
Very small p2 oscillator

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = Triad
.EA$C!
EDIT2:
Here's a more compact ruletable

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,1,2,3,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var l={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}
var q={0,2,4,5}
var r={q}
var s={q}
var t={q}
var u={q}
var v={q}
var w={q}
var x={q}
var y={1,2}
var z={1,3}

#Birth
0,z,z,q,r,s,t,u,v,z
0,1,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,1
0,3,3,1,q,r,s,t,u,3
0,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,v,5
0,1,3,1,3,q,r,s,t,5

#Survival change
1,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,3 
3,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,1

#Transition
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4

#Death
q,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: August 29th, 2011, 9:08 am
by 12Glider
flipper77 wrote:I think I got the ruletable right:

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,1,2,3,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var l={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}
var q={0,2,4,5}
var r={q}
var s={q}
var aa={q}
var ab={q}
var ac={q}
var ad={q}
var ae={q}
var af={1,2}
var ag={1,3}

#No birth
0,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,ad,ae,0

#Birth
0,ag,ag,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,ag
0,1,1,3,q,r,s,aa,ab,1
0,3,3,1,q,r,s,aa,ab,3
0,1,3,q,r,s,aa,ab,ac,5
0,1,3,1,3,q,r,s,aa,5

#Survival change
1,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,3 
3,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,1

#Transition
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4

#Death
q,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Since this is my first real ruletable, I'm sure this could be compressed further, but I believe it works since it functions the same as in Mcell

EDIT:
Very small p2 oscillator

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = Triad
.EA$C!
EDIT2:
Here's a more compact ruletable

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,1,2,3,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var l={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}
var q={0,2,4,5}
var r={q}
var s={q}
var t={q}
var u={q}
var v={q}
var w={q}
var x={q}
var y={1,2}
var z={1,3}

#Birth
0,z,z,q,r,s,t,u,v,z
0,1,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,1
0,3,3,1,q,r,s,t,u,3
0,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,v,5
0,1,3,1,3,q,r,s,t,5

#Survival change
1,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,3 
3,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,1

#Transition
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4

#Death
q,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
Thanks a bunch! It works exactly how I wanted it! :D

Re: Making a rule table...

Posted: August 29th, 2011, 12:52 pm
by flipper77
Thank you, but I'm posting an updated version of the ruletable since I found that also 3 and 4 cells of states 1 and 3 produce 5's as well. I added these 2 transitions:

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0,1,1,1,3,3,3,s,t,5
0,1,1,1,1,3,3,3,3,5
To make this more accurate ruletable:

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n_states:6
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:permute

var a={0,1,2,3,4,5}
var b={a}
var c={a}
var d={a}
var e={a}
var f={a}
var g={a}
var h={a}
var i={0,1,2,3,4}
var j={i}
var k={i}
var l={i}
var m={i}
var n={i}
var o={i}
var p={i}
var q={0,2,4,5}
var r={q}
var s={q}
var t={q}
var u={q}
var v={q}
var w={1,3}

#Birth
0,w,w,q,r,s,t,u,v,w
0,1,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,1
0,3,3,1,q,r,s,t,u,3
0,1,3,q,r,s,t,u,v,5
0,1,1,3,3,q,r,s,t,5
0,1,1,1,3,3,3,s,t,5
0,1,1,1,1,3,3,3,3,5

#Survival change
1,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,3 
3,5,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,1

#Transition
1,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,2
3,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,4

#Death
q,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,0
If you can run Mcell on your computer, you can see the difference when running 90deg_smship_seeds.mcl:

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#MCell 4.20
#GAME User DLL
#RULE Triad
#BOARD 400x400
#WRAP 1
#CCOLORS 6
#D 90° parting small ship seeds
#D 
#D Lionel Bonnetier
#D Spring 1996, revised March 2000
#L .AC$AAC$CCA13$18.C$17.ECC$16.AA$17.A10$35.C$34.EC$33.AA
I thinking this is what I want to achieve, but it's possible there may be somthing else missing, but I'm thinking there will be no such thing.
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