Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

[Kazyan]

It can't. Since a mango can already be synthesized with 3 gliders, an improvement would have to be a 2-glider synthesis. There are only 71 ways to collide two gliders, and we've tried all of them. None of them create a mango.

That MWSS+Pond collision doesn't look like it could improve on what we have now. You'd have to get rid of the stray tub, then get a Herschel into the appropriate position. Since we already have two good MWSS->G converters, chris_c's universal *WSS->G, and the syringe, there's no way that the MWSS+Pond reaction could be perturbed quickly enough to be an improvement.

[thunk]

That MWSS+Pond collision doesn't look like it could improve on what we have now. You'd have to get rid of the stray tub, then get a Herschel into the appropriate position. Since we already have two good MWSS->G converters, thunk's universal *WSS->G, and the syringe, there's no way that the MWSS+Pond reaction could be perturbed quickly enough to be an improvement.

Um... that was Chris Cain's discovery. But thanks, I guess?

[Kazyan]

Oh, I apologize; for some reason I'd mentally mixed up your work with the HWSS+block and the universal converter. Eek. Will edit.

[Gustavo6046]

So, what is the universal *WSS-->G?
I could make an G-->LWSS but that would take some work as of yet using well-known glider-->pi collisions to generate a Herschel then H-to-2H and restore the still life in collision.

[Gustavo6046]

This is it's current progress:

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x = 232, y = 150, rule = LifeHistory
42.2A$42.A.A$44.A4.2A$40.4A.2A2.A2.A$40.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$42.BABABA.A$43.
B2ABA.A$44.2B.BA$43.3B$34.2A6.4B$35.A6.B2A3B$35.A.AB3.B2A3B$36.2AB.
10B$38.13B$38.14B$38.15B$40.8B2.4B$40.6B5.4B$39.9B4.4B$38.4B4.2A5.4B$
37.4B5.A7.4B$36.4B7.3A5.4B$35.4B10.A6.4B$34.4B19.4B$33.3DB21.4B$32.3B
D23.4B$31.3BD25.4B$30.4B27.4B$29.4B29.4B$16.2A10.4B31.4B$17.A9.4B33.
4B$15.A10.4B35.4B$15.5A5.4B5.2A30.4B$20.A4.4B5.A32.4B$17.3AB2.7B.BA.A
33.4B$16.A.2B3.7B.B2A35.4B$16.4A12B38.4B$14.2A2.BA3B2A7B39.4B$13.A2.
3AB.2B2A7B40.4B$13.2A.A.B3.10B41.4B$16.A8.8B41.4B$16.2A7.9B41.4B$26.
3B2.4B41.4B$24.5B3.4B33.2B6.4B$24.2A7.4B7.A23.5B5.4B$25.A8.4B6.3A20.
7B5.4B$22.3A10.2B2D8.A18.8B6.4B$22.A13.BDBD6.2A18.9B6.4B$37.D3B5.6B
14.10B6.4B45.A$38.4B6.5B14.8BA7.4B44.3A$39.4B4.7B12.8BABA7.4B46.A$40.
4B2.8B10.10BABA8.4B44.2A12.A$41.14B2.2B2.14BAB9.4B43.4B10.3A$42.22BD
11B11.3BD23.A20.3B12.A$38.2A3.21BDBD9B12.3BD22.3A12.B.3B.4B10.2A$39.A
4.20B3D7B15.3DB24.A10.18B3.5B$39.A.AB.22BD7B16.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A
11BD4B4.5B$40.2A29B.B18.4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.7B$41.17B.4B29.4B5.A
16.8B.13BDBD4B.9B$43.19B18.2A11.4B4.2A15.22BD15B$34.A10.16B18.A.A4.2A
6.9B14.15B.2B2.20B$34.3A8.15B13.2A4.A7.A7.6B14.17B8.18B$37.A7.14B12.A
2.A2.2A.4A3.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.17B$36.2A3.B3.13B13.2A.A.A.A.A2.A
4.A2.A4.19BD15B12.17B$36.8B.12B17.A.ABABAB7.2AB3.20BDBD4B.7B13.18B$
38.18B18.A.AB2AB9.14B2A9B3D13B10.8B.12B$38.17B20.AB.2B11.13B2A11BD14B
9.2A3.B3.13B$18.2B17.17B24.3B11.29B2.8B11.A7.14B$17.4B.3B10.18B25.4B
6.2A2.17B.B.2B11.6B8.3A8.15B11.A$10.A6.9B2.2B2.20B24.3B2AB6.A4.15B4.
3B10.5B9.A10.16B10.3A$9.A.A3.20BD15B25.3B2AB3.BA.A4.15B5.A2B.2A7.4B
18.19B12.A$9.A.A3.20BDBD4B.9B22.10B.B2A6.13B5.A.A2B.A7.3B17.17B.4B10.
2A$7.3A.2A2.9B2A9B3D4B2.7B22.13B10.13B2.A.AB2.A9.4B14.2A28B3.5B$6.A4.
B3.9B2A11BD4B4.5B21.14B9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.2A13.A.AB.22BD4B2.7B$7.3AB2A
B2.25B3.5B22.15B9.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A10.A14.A4.20B3D4B2.7B$9.A.2AB.10B.3B.
4B10.2A24.4B2.8B11.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A10.3A10.2A3.21BDBD4B.9B$13.10B6.4B
12.A23.4B5.6B11.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A12.A14.22BD15B$14.9B5.4B10.3A23.4B
4.9B11.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A27.14B2.2B2.20B$12.10B5.4B11.A24.4B5.2A4.4B9.B2A
B9.A.A34.4B2.8B10.18B4.B$6.3B.12B5.3B36.4B7.A5.4B9.2A11.A34.4B4.7B12.
17B.4B$6.23B36.4B5.3A7.4B55.4B6.5B14.22B2.B$5.22B37.4B6.A10.4B53.4B5.
6B15.22B.BCE6.E$4.23B20.2B14.4B19.4B51.4B6.2A17.8B.17BCE4.3E$.2B.22B
20.4B12.4B21.4B49.4B8.A17.2A3.B3.18B4.E$2A25B18.5B3.B7.4B23.4B47.4B6.
3A19.A7.18B4.CE$2AB.25B10.2B3.7B2.B6.4B25.4B45.4B7.A18.3A8.17B2.5B$.B
3.27B2.2B2.9B2E5B5.4B27.4B43.4B27.A10.18B.3B$6.22BD18BEBE4B4.4B29.4B
41.4B37.26B$6.15B.4BDBD19BE5B3.4B31.4B39.4B36.30B$6.14B2.4B3D24B.B.4B
33.4B37.4B36.2A30B$8.4B3.4B3.4BD23B.B.6B35.4B35.4B36.A.AB.22BD6B$9.2B
2.5B5.29B.5B37.4B33.4B37.A4.20B3D9B$13.2A15.4B.3B.14B.3B39.4B31.4B37.
2A3.21BDBD10B$14.A16.4B6.13B.B41.4B29.4B42.22BD14B$11.3A18.4B5.12B45.
4B27.4B42.15B.23B$11.A21.4B3.4B.6B48.4B25.4B42.4B2.9B5.20B$34.4B.4B.
5B51.4B23.4B42.4B4.8B5.19B$35.7B3.4B52.4B21.4B42.4B6.6B4.ECB.16B$36.
5B5.4B52.4B19.4B42.4B5.6B5.E.EB2.2B.10B$36.5B6.4B52.4B17.4B42.4B6.2A
9.E8.8B$35.7B6.4B52.4B15.4B42.4B8.A8.2E8.5B2CB$34.4B.4B6.4B52.4B13.4B
42.4B6.3A18.5BCBC$33.4B3.4B6.4B52.4B11.4B42.4B7.A21.5BC2B$32.4B5.4B6.
4B52.4B9.4B42.4B29.9B$31.4B7.3B7.4B52.4B7.4B42.4B31.7B$30.4B10.BCE6.
4B52.4B5.4B42.4B32.7B$29.4B11.BE.E6.4B52.4B3.4B42.4B33.7B$28.4B15.E7.
4B52.4B.4B42.4B34.8B8.2E$27.4B16.2E7.4B52.7B42.4B34.11B6.E$26.4B27.4B
52.5B42.4B34.2C11B2.BE.E$25.4B29.4B51.5B41.4B35.2C12B.BCE$24.4B31.4B
49.7B39.4B36.16B$23.4B33.4B47.4B.4B37.4B37.16B$22.4B35.4B45.4B3.4B35.
4B37.15B$21.4B37.4B43.4B5.4B33.4B37.16B$20.4B39.4B41.4B7.4B31.4B37.
17B$19.4B41.4B39.4B9.4B29.4B38.18B$18.4B43.4B37.4B11.4B27.4B39.18B$
17.4B45.4B35.4B13.4B25.D3B41.18B$16.4B47.4B33.4B15.4B23.D3B42.19B$15.
4B49.4B31.4B17.4B21.B3D44.4B5.10B$14.4B51.4B29.4B19.4B19.4B46.2B6.11B
$13.4B53.4B27.4B21.4B6.A10.4B48.CB5.12B$12.4B55.4B25.D3B23.4B5.3A7.4B
48.E.E3.15B$11.4B57.4B23.D3B25.4B7.A5.4B49.2E4.16B$10.4B59.4B21.B3D
27.4B5.2A4.4B55.13B.4B$9.4B61.4B19.4B29.4B4.9B56.12B3.4B$8.4B63.4B6.A
10.4B31.4B5.6B57.12B4.4B$7.4B65.4B5.3A7.4B33.4B2.8B58.13B3.4B$6.2E2B
67.4B7.A5.4B35.15B58.B.6B.CE4.4B$7.2E69.4B5.2A4.4B37.14B57.B2CB.2B3.E
6.4B$6.E72.4B4.9B39.13B56.BCBCB7.3E4.4B$80.4B5.6B41.10B.B2A55.2E11.E
5.4B$81.4B2.8B43.3B2AB3.BA.A74.4B$82.15B41.3B2AB6.A75.4B$83.14B43.4B
6.2A75.4B$84.13B43.3B85.4B$85.10B.B2A38.AB.2B87.3B$87.3B2AB3.BA.A36.A
.AB2AB87.2B$87.3B2AB6.A36.A.ABABAB87.B$89.4B6.2A32.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$89.
3B41.A2.A2.2A.4A$86.AB.2B44.2A4.A$85.A.AB2AB49.A.A$85.A.ABABAB49.2A$
82.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$82.A2.A2.2A.4A$84.2A4.A$90.A.A$91.2A!

EDIT: I think I can't restore the boat so I'll go for another strategy.
Is this H-to-B known?

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x = 19, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
18.B$17.2B$16.3B$15.4B$14.4B$11.B.4B$E8.7B$3E6.6B$3.E4.2B3D2B$2.EC4.
4BD2B$2.4B.4B3DB$4.11B$.B.12B$EC13B$ECB.10B$.B2.7B$5.7B$5.8B$3.EC2B2D
2BD$2.E.E3B3D$2.E4.2BDB$.2E!

EDIT 2: I have a new project. It's about making a helix of this reaction.

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x = 21, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
14.4B$10.AB.6B$10.B2A6B$10.2A7B$10.9B$2.4B3.10B$.6B.4B.4BC2B$.10B3.2B
CBCB$.9B5.B2C2B$.9B5.4B$.10B5.3B$2BC4B.4B3.4B$BCBC2B3.4B.6B$2B2CB5.
10B$.4B6.9B$.3B7.9B$10.10B$9.4B.4BC2B$8.4B3.2BCBCB$16.B2C2B$16.4B$17.
3B!

EDIT 3: Is this oscillator well-known?

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x = 5, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
3.2A$.A2.A$.3A2$.3A$A.B.A$A.B.A$.3A2$.3A$A2.A$2A!

EDIT 4: And this one?

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x = 11, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
3.2E.E$3.E.2E2$4.3E2.2E$2E.E.B.E2.E$.E.EB.BE.E$E2.E.B.E.2E$2E2.3E2$4.
2E.E$4.E.2E!

EDIT 5: Promising partial result for spaceship: (?)

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x = 7, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2o2b2o$o2bo2bo$3b2o$b2ob2o$o3b3o$o3bobo$o3b3o$b2ob2o$3b2o$o2bo2bo$2o2b
2o!

[dvgrn]

So, what is the universal *WSS-->G?

It was posted here by chris_c not long ago.

I could make an G-->LWSS but that would take some work as of yet using well-known glider-->pi collisions to generate a Herschel then H-to-2H and restore the still life in collision.

There are better designs for G-to-LWSS and G-to-MWSS. Look at chris_c's recent constructions, and if your proposed design will be bigger and/or slower to recover, there's no reason to spend the time building it or posting it. It's certainly possible that a G->LWSS with a smaller bounding box could be found, though:

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#C chris_c's G-to-LWSS (top) and G-to-MWSS
x = 166, y = 142, rule = LifeHistory
70.2A11.A75.5B$69.B2AB9.A.A74.5B$70.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A66.5B$69.B.B9.2A.2A
2.A2.A.A65.5B$69.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A65.5B$69.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A66.5B$69.8B4.
2A.A.A3.A68.5B$70.13B2.A.AB2.A67.5B$68.13B5.A.A2B.A43.A22.5B$67.15B5.
A2B.2A43.3A20.5B$67.15B4.3B17.A32.A19.5B$66.17B.B.2B16.3A13.A17.2A.3B
15.5B$66.29B8.A16.3A15.7B14.5B$65.13B2A16B7.2A18.A16.5B14.5B$64.14B2A
16B2.B.5B17.2A16.5B14.5B$63.2AB3.27B.6B19.4B13.7B13.5B$62.A2.A4.33B7.
7B.B5.3B12.6B14.5B$61.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B.B3.13B.4B10.7B14.5B$61.A7.
6B14.46B4.6B14.5B$60.2A6.9B14.45B2.7B14.5B$67.4B4.2A15.44B2.7B14.5B$
66.4B5.A15.21B2A22B.9B13.5B$65.4B7.3A12.7B.13B2A32B13.5B$10.2A11.A40.
4B10.A10.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.20B13.5B$9.B2AB9.A.A38.4B21.A.AB9.4B3.
10B11.18B12.5B$10.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A29.4B22.A10.5B5.6B16.16B12.5B$9.B.B9.
2A.2A2.A2.A.A27.4B22.2A10.2A9.3B19.14B13.5B$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A26.4B36.
A9.B20.16B12.5B$9.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A26.4B34.3A9.2A20.14B.B2A10.5B$9.8B4.
2A.A.A3.A27.4B35.A11.A19.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A9.5B$10.13B2.A.AB2.A25.4B49.A
17.A.AB7.6B4.A9.5B$8.13B5.A.A2B.A23.4B49.2A17.A10.6B4.2A8.5B$7.15B5.A
2B.2A22.4B32.2A11.A22.2A9.7B14.5B$7.15B4.3B17.A7.4B32.B2AB9.A.A32.8B
13.5B$6.17B.B.2B16.3A6.4B34.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A25.8B12.5B$6.29B8.A8.4B.2B
31.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A24.9B11.5B$5.13B2A16B7.2A6.10B29.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A
23.5B2.4B10.5B$4.14B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B.7B28.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A21.A2.A.2A4.4B
9.5B$3.2AB3.27B.6B6.4B.9B27.8B4.2A.A.A3.A23.4A.A6.4B8.5B$2.A2.A4.34B
4.4B3.9B27.13B2.A.AB2.A27.A.A5.4B7.5B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B4.10B24.
13B5.A.A2B.A23.2A2.2A6.4B6.5B$.A7.6B14.21B4.12B22.15B5.A2B.2A23.A12.
4B5.5B$2A6.9B14.19B3.9B.4B21.15B4.3B17.A10.A12.4B4.5B$7.4B4.2A15.23B
2A3B4.4B19.17B.B.2B16.3A9.2A2.A10.4B3.5B$6.4B5.A16.22BA2BA2B5.4B18.
29B8.A16.3A9.4B2.5B$5.4B7.3A11.8B2.15B2A2B7.4B16.13B2A16B7.2A18.A9.4B
.5B$4.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.17B9.4B10.2A2.14B2A16B2.B.5B17.2A10.9B$3.4B24.A
7.21B8.4B9.A2.2AB3.27B.6B19.4B9.8B$2.4B22.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.4B9.
2AB.A4.33B7.7B.B5.3B9.7B$.2A2B23.A6.3AB2AB2.6B8.A11.4B11.A5.6B3.B2.2B
2.19B.B3.13B.4B9.6B$A.AB30.A4.B5.5B9.3A9.4B7.3A5.6B14.46B3.5B$2.A32.
3A.2A5.4B11.A10.4B5.A7.9B14.45B2.5B$37.A.A4.5B24.4B4.2A5.4B4.2A15.44B
2.5B$37.A.A4.2A28.9B4.4B5.A15.21B2A22B.6B$38.A6.A29.6B5.4B7.3A12.7B.
13B2A29B$42.3A30.8B2.4B10.A10.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.18B$42.A30.15B21.A
.AB9.4B3.10B11.14B2A$73.14B22.A10.5B5.6B16.12B2A$73.13B22.2A10.2A9.3B
19.12B$71.2AB.10B36.A9.B20.13B$70.A.AB3.B2A3B35.3A9.2A20.7B2.2B$70.A
6.B2A3B35.A11.A19.2AB.3B$69.2A6.4B50.A17.A.AB$78.3B49.2A17.A$79.2B.BA
64.2A$78.B2ABA.A$77.BABABA.A$75.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$75.4A.2A2.A2.A$79.A4.2A
$77.A.A$77.2A4$80.2A11.A$79.B2AB9.A.A$80.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$79.B.B9.2A.2A
2.A2.A.A$79.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A12.2A$79.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A13.A$79.8B4.2A.A.A
3.A12.BA.A$80.13B2.A.AB2.A9.B.B2A$78.13B5.A.A2B.A7.4B$77.15B5.A2B.2A
7.4B$77.15B4.3B10.5B8.2A$76.17B.B.2B11.6B8.A$76.29B2.8B8.A.AB$75.13B
2A26B8.2AB.3B$74.14B2A25B11.7B2.2B$73.2AB3.27B.7B12.13B$72.A2.A4.35B
12.12B$71.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.12B2A$71.A7.6B14.17B8.14B2A$70.2A6.
9B14.15B.2B2.18B$42.A34.4B4.2A15.36B$42.3A31.4B5.A16.8B.20B.6B$38.A6.
A29.4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A16B2.5B$37.A.A4.2A28.4B4.A5.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A16B.
6B$37.A.A4.5B24.4B3.3A18.A10.18B3.6B$2.A32.3A.2A5.4B11.A10.4B3.A18.3A
12.B.3B.4B9.6B$A.AB30.A4.B5.5B9.3A9.4B4.2A17.A20.3B9.8B$.2A2B23.A6.3A
B2AB2.6B8.A11.4B3.4B8.A27.4B9.8B$2.4B22.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.4B3.3B
9.A.A26.2A10.10B$3.4B24.A7.21B8.4B3.5B8.A.A2.2A3.A19.A9.10B$4.4B10.A
11.2A3.B5.17B9.4B4.5B7.2A.2A2.A2.A.A15.3A9.4B2.6B$5.4B7.3A11.8B2.15B
2A2B7.4B5.6B7.B2.A.A3.A.A15.A10.4B2.6B$6.4B5.A16.22BA2BA2B5.4B5.8B5.
2ABA2.4A.A26.4B4.6B$7.4B4.2A15.23B2A3B4.4B6.9B4.2A.A.A3.A27.4B4.6B$2A
6.9B14.19B3.9B.4B9.13B2.A.AB2.A25.4B6.6B$.A7.6B14.21B4.12B8.13B5.A.A
2B.A23.4B6.6B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B4.10B8.15B5.A2B.2A22.4B8.6B$2.A2.A
4.34B4.4B3.9B9.15B4.3B17.A7.4B8.6B$3.2AB3.27B.6B6.4B.9B9.17B.B.2B16.
3A6.4B10.6B$4.14B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B.7B10.29B8.A8.4B10.6B$5.13B2A16B7.2A
6.10B10.13B2A16B7.2A6.4B12.6B$6.29B8.A8.4B.2B7.2A2.14B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B
12.6B$6.17B.B.2B16.3A6.4B9.A2.2AB3.27B.6B6.4B14.6B$7.15B4.3B17.A7.4B
9.2AB.A4.34B4.4B14.6B$7.15B5.A2B.2A22.4B11.A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B16.6B$8.
13B5.A.A2B.A23.4B7.3A5.6B14.21B16.6B$10.13B2.A.AB2.A25.4B5.A7.9B14.
20B16.6B$9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A27.4B4.2A5.4B4.2A15.20B14.6B$9.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A
26.9B4.4B5.A16.19B2A14.6B$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A26.6B5.4B7.3A11.8B2.11B2A
13.6B$9.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A26.8B2.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.11B15.6B$10.3B9.A.A
2.2A3.A25.15B24.A7.11B16.6B$9.B2AB9.A.A33.14B22.3A8.2A5.4B17.6B$10.2A
11.A34.13B23.A11.A$56.2AB.10B33.3A$55.A.AB3.B2A3B35.A$55.A6.B2A3B$54.
2A6.4B$63.3B$64.2B.BA$63.B2ABA.A$62.BABABA.A$60.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$60.4A.
2A2.A2.A$64.A4.2A$62.A.A$62.2A!

EDIT: I think I can't restore the boat so I'll go for another strategy.

It's good that you can see that there's no room left for a reasonable circuit to restore the boat. It will save you a lot of work next time around if you look for problems like that before you start constructing big complicated devices.

If you could replace the boat, all you would have is a painfully huge and slow-to-recover 90-degree glider reflector. Why not just use a Snark reflector? Then you could be done before you even started.

Is this H-to-B known?

No. This HFx37B could be added to the elementary conduits collection, but only if you can show how it can be connected to some other B-to-X conduit (known or unknown). There are only six ticks before the B destroys your last eater catalyst, so it's probable that no such B-to-X will ever be found. So unfortunately this has to go to the bottom of the "useless until proven useful" list.

EDIT 2: I have a new project. It's about making a helix of this reaction.

A helix is usually made out of moving objects, and emits an output signal with every cycle, usually a glider. At the moment this is a clean fuse -- a very well known one.

EDIT 3: Is this oscillator well-known?
EDIT 4: And this one?

Yes, and yes.

[dvgrn]

There are better designs for G-to-LWSS and G-to-MWSS. Look at chris_c's recent constructions, and if your proposed design will be bigger and/or slower to recover, there's no reason to spend the time building it or posting it...

There's also the challenge of creating a modern LWSS or MWSS edge-shooter, if you want to try that. It could use the same final reaction as the template pattern for the sample Hersrch search script thread. Or quite possibly something better can be found now.

@Gustavo, that Hersrch walkthrough link might be worth working your way through carefully, if you still don't understand how to set up Hersrch searches with the -e parameter.

A spaceship edge-shooter would probably be slower to recover than chris_c's G-to-*WSSes, but it could be used to construct salvos of *WSSes much closer together. Who knows, maybe *WSS construction recipes will get investigated someday... though I can't think why, exactly: they're provably interchangeable with glider recipes, in the sense that collisions between *WSSes can create all glider-constructible objects, and nothing outside that set.

[Gustavo6046]

Many tanks, that cleared 99% of this day's questions.
Did you knew I know where to put known catalysts? (Eater 1-2-3, block, tub and maybe snake)

[gameoflifeboy]

EDIT 3: Is this oscillator well-known?

This is a test-tube-baby variant. The smallest form is this:

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x = 10, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o2b2o$o2bo2bob2o$bobo2bobo$2obo2bo2bo$4b2o2b2o!

Oscillators of this form don't have standardized names, but I call the middle pattern an "O".

EDIT 4: And this one?

This is a scrubber variant.

[Gustavo6046]

Oh ok.
Anyway I have two conduits related to the D-octomino:

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x = 54, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
D2.D.3D4.D3.3D.3D13.3D2.3D3.D$D2.D.D2.D2.2D2.D4.D2.D12.D2.D.D4.2D4.D$
4D.3D4.D2.3D2.D2.D12.D2.D.3D3.D3.D.D$D2.D.D2.D3.D2.D2.D.D2.D12.D2.D3.
D3.D2.D2.D$D2.D.D2.D2.3D2.2D2.3D13.3D2.3D2.3D2.2D7$6.E9.E$6.3E5.3E$9.
E3.E22.2E$8.EC.B.CE22.E5.3B$8.7B22.E.EB2.5B$10.3B25.ECB.7B$9.5B26.4BD
4B3.B$8.2D3C2B25.3BDBD2C2B.BCE$7.2D2BC3B25.2BD2B2C5BCE$8.2DB3CB25.3B
2DB2C2B.2B$9.2D3B27.6B2C2B$11.3B28.9B$12.B30.7B$44.6B$44.4B!

EDIT: I am keeping a collection of these!

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x = 116, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
29.D31.D24.D$29.D31.D24.D$.D2.D.3D4.D3.3D.3D5.D7.3D2.3D3.D12.D6.3D3.D
.3D.D5.D2.3D3.2D3.2D6.2D3.2D$.D2.D.D2.D2.2D2.D4.D2.D4.D7.D2.D.D4.2D4.
D7.D6.D2.D.D2.D4.D4.D2.D2.D.D2.D.D7.D2.D.D2.D$.4D.3D4.D2.3D2.D2.D4.D
7.D2.D.3D3.D3.D.D6.D6.D2.D.D2.2D3.D4.D2.D2.D2.2D2.3D2.2D3.D2.3D$.D2.D
.D2.D3.D2.D2.D.D2.D4.D7.D2.D3.D3.D2.D2.D6.D6.D2.D.D2.D4.D4.D2.D2.D.D
2.D.D2.D5.D3.D2.D$.D2.D.D2.D2.3D2.2D2.3D5.D7.3D2.3D2.3D2.2D7.D6.3D3.D
.3D.D5.D2.3D3.2D3.2D5.4D.D2.D$29.D31.D24.D$112D$29.D31.D24.D$29.D31.D
24.D$29.D31.D24.D$29.D31.D24.D11.2E$7.E9.E11.D31.D6.E17.D10.B2CB$7.3E
5.3E11.D31.D6.3E15.D11.2B2.2D$10.E3.E14.D7.2E22.D9.E14.D12.2B2D2B$9.E
C.B.CE13.D8.E5.3B14.D8.EC14.D11.4BD3B$9.7B13.D8.E.EB2.5B12.D8.4B12.D
11.8B$11.3B15.D9.ECB.7B11.D10.B2DB3.B6.D9.11B$10.5B14.D11.4BD4B3.B7.D
9.B2D3B.3B5.D8.11B$9.5D2B13.D11.3BDB3D2B.BCE6.D9.2B2D5BCE4.D6.13B$8.
2D2BD3B13.D11.2BD2B2D5BCE6.D10.2B2D4BCE4.D5.3BD12B$9.2DB3DB13.D11.3B
2DB2D2B.2B7.D11.6B.B5.D5.2B3D2B2D7B$10.2D3B14.D12.6B2D2B9.D11.4B9.D6.
BD3B2D9B$12.3B14.D13.9B9.D24.D5.7B2D8B$13.B15.D14.7B10.D24.D5.8B2D6B$
29.D15.6B10.D24.D5.14B$29.D15.4B12.D24.D6.5B.7B$29.D31.D24.D6.4B3.5B$
29.D31.D24.D8.B!

EDIT 2: Okay, I say, I am already happy with this collection:

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x = 174, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
D2.D.3D4.D3.3D.3D13.3D2.3D3.D19.3D3.D.3D.D8.3D3.2D3.2D6.2D3.2D8.D.D3.
3D5.D3.D3.D9.D2.D.2D3.D2.3D.3D$D2.D.D2.D2.2D2.D4.D2.D12.D2.D.D4.2D4.D
14.D2.D.D2.D4.D7.D2.D.D2.D.D7.D2.D.D2.D7.D.D2.D8.2D2.D3.D9.D2.D.D.D.
2D2.D.D.D.D$4D.3D4.D2.3D2.D2.D12.D2.D.3D3.D3.D.D13.D2.D.D2.2D3.D7.D2.
D2.2D2.3D2.2D3.D2.3D8.3D2.D.2D.7D.D3.D9.4D.2D3.D2.3D.3D$D2.D.D2.D3.D
2.D2.D.D2.D12.D2.D3.D3.D2.D2.D13.D2.D.D2.D4.D7.D2.D.D2.D.D2.D5.D3.D2.
D9.D2.D2.D5.2D3.D.D10.D2.D.D.D2.D4.D.D$D2.D.D2.D2.3D2.2D2.3D13.3D2.3D
2.3D2.2D14.3D3.D.3D.D8.3D3.2D3.2D5.4D.D2.D9.D3.3D5.D5.D11.D2.D.2D2.3D
.3D.D4$167.B$163.3D3B$97.2E64.DBD3B$6.E9.E50.E28.B2CB62.BDBD3CB$6.3E
5.3E50.3E27.2B2.2D59.4BC3B$9.E3.E22.2E32.E27.2B2D2B59.2B3C2B$8.EC.B.C
E22.E5.3B23.EC26.4BD3B31.7B2C17.7B$8.7B22.E.EB2.5B21.4B24.8B25.4B.6BC
.2B.C16.5B$10.3B25.ECB.7B22.B2CB3.B16.11B23.11BC4B16.ECB.5B$7.7B26.4B
D4B3.B17.B2C3B.3B14.11B23.2B2C8BC5BC13.E.EB4.CE$6.2B2D3C2B25.3BDBD2C
2B.BCE16.2B2C5BCE11.13B23.BCB.C7B6C14.E7.E$6.B2D2BC3B25.2BD2B2C5BCE
17.2B2C4BCE10.3BD12B20.BC2BCD13B13.2E8.3E$6.2B2DB3CB25.3B2DB2C2B.2B
19.6B.B11.2B3D2B2C7B21.D2CDB.10B27.E$8.B2D3B27.6B2C2B21.4B16.BD3B2C9B
21.3DB$8.6B28.9B40.7B2C8B22.D$12.B30.7B41.8B2C6B$44.6B41.14B$44.4B44.
5B.7B$92.4B3.5B$94.B!

I estimated the D-octomino from the HR16D won't fit in most D-->X conduits.

[Gustavo6046]

Where I grab a Chapman-Greene construction arm? I will study it to eliminate a redlink in the Gemini LifeWiki page.

[Scorbie]

EDIT 3: Is this oscillator well-known?

This is a test-tube-baby variant. The smallest form is this:

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x = 10, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o2b2o$o2bo2bob2o$bobo2bobo$2obo2bo2bo$4b2o2b2o!

Actually, I'm not sure if that's a test tube baby variant. As you know, the test tube baby has one side open.

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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o4b2o$obo2bobo$2bo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o!

So I would say that the difference between test tube baby and this billiard table is about the difference between the test tube baby and the spark coil. By the way, do we have a name for that?

[gameoflifeboy]

I don't think

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2o2b2o$o2bo2bob2o$bobo2bobo$2obo2bo2bo$4b2o2b2o!

has a standardized name, but I proposed calling it "SOS" once, because of its shape. I think it should have a LifeWiki page for being the smallest billiard table oscillator. Anyway, the Twitterbot still calls its variations test tube baby variants.

[thunk]

So I would say that the difference between test tube baby and this billiard table is about the difference between the test tube baby and the spark coil. By the way, do we have a name for that?

I would agree that should be named, the Twitterbot confused me for a while as well with regards to this oscillator.

(also is this the official random discussions thread now? )

[codeholic]

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 918#p18918

[Gustavo6046]

The still life on the left could be a possible converter to the still life at the right.

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x = 25, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
2.A17.A2.2A$.A.A.2A12.A.A2.A$A2.A.2A11.A2.A.A$.2A15.4A.2A2$.2A15.2A$.
A.A14.2A$2.A!

EDIT: Will this spark ever lead to a R synthesis?

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
o$o$b3o!

EDIT 2: Solution for bakery synthesis:

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x = 15, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
14bo$12b2o$13b2o17$2o$o$2o2bo$3bobo$bobobo!

[mniemiec]

The still life on the left could be a possible converter to the still life at the right.

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x = 25, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
2.A17.A2.2A$.A.A.2A12.A.A2.A$A2.A.2A11.A2.A.A$.2A15.4A.2A2$.2A15.2A$.
A.A14.2A$2.A!

It might be, but do you have any idea how to go about performing such a conversion? It will involve performing two operations simultaneously (moving the boat and turning it into a block, and turning the block into a cis-snake), neither of which is a trivial task, especially since you can't figure out how to do something MUCH easier, e.g. turning a block into a boat in place.

EDIT: Will this spark ever lead to a R synthesis?

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
o$o$b3o!

This isn't a "spark", but rather a grandfather of the R pentomino. Since the R pentomino can be created from 3 gliders in many ways, there is little incentive to create this specific predecessor, but if you really need to do that, it should be easy to do by welding a domino spark (2-3 gliders) to a blinker (2 gliders).

Solution for bakery synthesis:

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x = 15, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
14bo$12b2o$13b2o17$2o$o$2o2bo$3bobo$bobobo!

Again, this is a highly artificial predecessor that would require a lot of work to synthesize, but why bother, since there are already many ways of making a bakery out of 3 gliders?

Before looking for new ways to synthesize common objects, you should probably look at how such objects are already synthesized, to avoid duplicated and wasted effort.

[gmc_nxtman]

It's not the smallest billiard table oscillator, as it has an area of 50, while Fore and Back has an area of 49.

[Scorbie]

It's not the smallest billiard table oscillator, as it has an area of 50, while Fore and Back has an area of 49.

And sadly four boats has a smaller minimum population... (Actually its maximum population is smaller that the minimum population of SOS.)

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
3bo$2bobo$bo2bo$o4b2o$b2o4bo$3bo2bo$3bobo$4bo!

EDIT:

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 918#p18918

Thanks for the clarification. I wonder how Mark Niemec thinks about that both-side-closed-test-tube-baby.

[Gustavo6046]

Then WHY don't we discuss that there?´
By the way did anyone saw my D-octomino conduit collection?

[dvgrn]

By the way did anyone saw my D-octomino conduit collection?

Sure. Like many other speculative signal object types -- E and H' and so on -- the D-octomino will be much more interesting once there's at least one working X-to-D conduit and a working D-to-Y conduit that can connect to the X-to-D -- where X and Y are known signal types.

As you say, your current HR16D doesn't connect to any of your D inputs -- it's not even close. Also, the D doesn't travel very far before some of its side sparks destroy the HR16D's catalysts, around T=20. That leaves very little space or for a D input conduit to place catalysts.

So probably there's no way to make it work. Like your HFx37B, the HR16D most likely can only be salvaged with extreme wishful thinking or supernatural intervention.

Until you find better connections, there's no way to actually use these converters with anything else, so they can't be used to help solve signal connection problems. They can only create new problems, such as: "how can I actually insert a D-octomino into any of these D input conduits, starting from a known signal?"

[Gustavo6046]

Thanks for pointing that out.
I found a HB68P:

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
E$3E8.2E$3.E7.E$2.EC4.BE.E$2.5B.BCE$4.5B$3.7B$2.2B3D2B$2.3BD4B$2.B4DB
DB$3.3BDBD$3.3B3D$4.B!

Probably it's just poison. I am trying to find another X-to-D.
EDIT: Is this PR11B-L11B known?

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
4.2E$3.B2CB$3.3B$4.B$2.5B$.2D3B2D$2DB3DB2D$.3D.3D$2.2D.2D!

EDIT 2: And for this PL17C?

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x = 16, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
E$3E10.E$3.E7.3E$2.EC6.E$2.5B3.CE$4.8B$2.10B$3D9B$D3B3D5B$2DB2D.D5B$
2.3D.D3B.BCE$8.B2.BE.E$14.E$14.2E!

[Kazyan]

Thanks for pointing that out.
I found a HB68P:

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
E$3E8.2E$3.E7.E$2.EC4.BE.E$2.5B.BCE$4.5B$3.7B$2.2B3D2B$2.3BD4B$2.B4DB
DB$3.3BDBD$3.3B3D$4.B!

Probably it's just poison. I am trying to find another X-to-D.
EDIT: Is this PR11B-L11B known?

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
4.2E$3.B2CB$3.3B$4.B$2.5B$.2D3B2D$2DB3DB2D$.3D.3D$2.2D.2D!

EDIT 2: And for this PL17C?

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x = 16, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
E$3E10.E$3.E7.3E$2.EC6.E$2.5B3.CE$4.8B$2.10B$3D9B$D3B3D5B$2DB2D.D5B$
2.3D.D3B.BCE$8.B2.BE.E$14.E$14.2E!

I think these are known, but not recorded anywhere because there doesn't seem to be a way to use them. Notably, though, the second pattern is in the conduit collection in a form where one of the B outputs is killed off before it can interfere with the other one.

[Gustavo6046]

If there is any way of restoring the block and cleaning the non-glider junk, please tell me at advance.
Thanks.
Best regards,
Gustavo
EDIT: I forgot to put the pattern, lol

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x = 36, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
B$2B$3B$4B$.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B$9.4B$10.4B$11.4B$
12.4B$13.4B$14.4B$15.4B$16.4B$17.4B$18.4B$19.4B$20.4B4.2B$21.4B2.4B$
22.10B$18.15B$17.17B$12.B3.17B$10.24B$8.26B$7.27B$7.28B$6.30B$7.28B$
8.27B$7.26B$6.26B$7.23B$6.24B$6.25B$5.26B$5.28B$4.31B$5.4B2D25B$4.5B
2D24B$5.28B$6.25B$8.8B3C12B$7.9BCBC8B.2B$7.9BCBC8B$8.17B$11.13B$14.2B
.7B$17.7B$17.7B$19.5B$19.4B$20.2B!

[dvgrn]

If there is any way of restoring the block and cleaning the non-glider junk, please tell me at advance.

Very unlikely, at least as you're stating the question. You'd have to wait 200 ticks before any catalysts could be allowed to interact, because if they interact before T=200, the modified reaction probably wouldn't produce the same glider.

After T=200 there's relatively little space to place catalysts, and the active area has moved far away from the block. The odds are really horribly low that a few catalysts can pull off the trick of "throwing" a block that far away and landing it in exactly the right location, and clean up the junk at the same time. It's not absolutely impossible, but it might as well be.

@Gustavo, can I ask a favor? Could you please set up your patterns so that LifeViewer can run them? The block in this pattern is red instead of white, so the pattern runs as a regular pi explosion.

Fairly often recently you have posted patterns with some of the key elements marked in red, so anyone who wants to run them has to spend extra time copying into Golly and manually editing those pieces.