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Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 4th, 2019, 9:36 am

by testitemqlstudop

...since B1c is impossible.

(Condition added since B1e/S12 isn't what I had in mind.)

Ready? Go!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule

Posted: June 4th, 2019, 9:51 am

by wildmyron

viewtopic.php?p=40722#p40722

Depends on your definition of explosive, but B1e/S12 is pretty much limited to linear growth - present for (nearly) all soups. There's also the occasional linear replicator thrown in for variety.

Edit: It appears to be barely apgsearchable at just under 1 soup/s, but I wouldn't bother uploading a haul because it's sure to be pretty boring.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule

Posted: June 4th, 2019, 1:16 pm

by praosylen

My best attempt (not a particularly good one, but it illustrates a potential path for constructing such a rule):

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ce3eny4jkr5cny6c/S2n3cnq4n
bbobbooboobbbboo$
obobbbboooooobbb$
oooboboobbobbbob$
oooobobbbbbbbboo$
bbbbbbbooboboobb$
bbooooobbbbboobo$
bbboobbooooobbbb$
bbbbooooooobbbbo$
bobbboboboobbboo$
obobooooooooooob$
obooobbboobobobo$
booooobbbobobbob$
bobobbooobbobobb$
ooobobboobbboooo$
bobbbboooooobboo$
boooboboobboobbo!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 3:58 am

by testitemqlstudop

Bump

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 4:31 am

by PkmnQ

A for awesome wrote:My best attempt (not a particularly good one, but it illustrates a potential path for constructing such a rule):
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ce3eny4jkr5cny6c/S2n3cnq4n
bbobbooboobbbboo$
obobbbboooooobbb$
oooboboobbobbbob$
oooobobbbbbbbboo$
bbbbbbbooboboobb$
bbooooobbbbboobo$
bbboobbooooobbbb$
bbbbooooooobbbbo$
bobbboboboobbboo$
obobooooooooooob$
obooobbboobobobo$
booooobbbobobbob$
bobobbooobbobobb$
ooobobboobbboooo$
bobbbboooooobboo$
boooboboobboobbo!

Is this a little bit better:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ce3eny4jkr5cny6c8/S2n3cnq4n
2bo2b2ob2o4b2o$obo4b6o$3obob2o2bo3bo$4obo8b2o$7b2obob2o$2b5o5b2obo$3b
2o2b5o$4b7o4bo$bo3bobob2o3b2o$obob11o$ob3o3b2obobobo$b5o3bobo2bo$bobo
2b3o2bobo$3obo2b2o3b4o$bo4b6o2b2o$b3obob2o2b2o2bo!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 9:22 am

by praosylen

PkmnQ wrote:Is this a little bit better:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ce3eny4jkr5cny6c8/S2n3cnq4n
rle

Not particularly, as far as I can tell — the added B8 transition doesn't actually seem to kill off any of the problematic chaotic growth engines that keep emerging.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 8th, 2019, 9:46 pm

by PkmnQ

I know this doesn’t help but uhh...
rake.

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x = 7, y = 6, rule = B1e2ce3eny4jkr5cny6c8/S2n3cnq4n
b2o$obo$b2o3bo$5bo$3bobo$4b2o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 10th, 2019, 10:45 pm

by toroidalet

B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e (I'm not sure how many of those transitions are legacy transitions resulting from the semi-DFS rule tweaking):

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x = 72, y = 72, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
3b2o2bo2b5obo2bobo2bob2obo2b2o2b10ob4o2b5o7bob3obo$3ob2ob4o2bo3bobo7b
2obobobobob8ob2ob2obobo3b2o4b2ob4o$ob2o2bo3b3o2b2o2bobob2o4b2obo2bo2bo
2bob4o2bo2bo3b3o3b2obobo3bo$b2o3b3obobo2b3o4b2ob4o3bobob2o3b2obo2bo5bo
b2o4bobo3b5o$o2b2o2bob4ob2ob2obob5o6bo2bo5bo5bo3b4o2bobob2o2b2o2bo$o2b
2ob2ob2o5b9o6b3ob2o2bob5ob2o2bo2b3o4bobo3bo2b2o$4obo3b4obo2bo2bob2o2b
6o6b3o2bob2obobo2b2o2bo2bobo7b2o$b2o2bobob7obo2bobobob2obo5bobobobob2o
2bob5ob2o6bo2bob4o$3b3ob2obo3b5ob3obob2o2b3o2b2o2bo6b5o5bobobob2o2bob
4o$o2bob3o2bo3bob3o2b6obob2ob6ob2o2b4o2bob4o2b2ob3o6bo$o3bob2o3b2obo3b
o2b2obobo7b7obo3b3o2b3o2b2o2b5obob3o$o2b2o2b5ob5o4b7o4bo2b3o5bo2bobo3b
2o5b2ob2obo2b2o$3o2b2o3b2ob2ob4o6bobobob2ob6obobobo6bo6b3ob2o2bo2bo$b
2o2b2o2bo4b3o3b4o3bo3bo4b2o2b2ob6o3b4obo6b2ob4o$o8bo3bobo2b3obobo2bobo
2bo6bo2bob2o2b2o3bobobo4b5o3bo$o3bo2bob3o2b5o2b3o7bobobobob2o2bo3bob2o
2bobobo3bo3b2ob2o$2bo6b2obo3b2o2bobob4o2bobob7o2bo2b2ob3o3b2o2b3o2bo2b
o2b2o$7b2o4bobo2bo2bo2bob2obo5b2obobob4o4b3o4bo2bob2obo2b2obo$obo2bobo
2bo3bob2obo2b2obob2ob2ob2obobobobobo3bo3b2o3bo3bo7b2o$b2obob2o2b5obob
2obobo4bobobob2ob2o2bo3b2o4bobob2o3bobob3ob4o$2b5o2bobobo3bo4b2o2b2o3b
ob3ob2o2b2ob3o3bobobob4obo2bobo$3obob3o3b5o2b2ob2ob4ob3o2b2o3bo2b2obob
3o2b5obob3ob2o4bo$o2bo2b2obo3bobo2bobobob2obo3bobo4b2o2b2ob2o3b3ob2ob
3obo5b2obo$3bob4o2b2o4bobo3bo3bo3bo9bo3b2obobo2b6ob3ob2o2bob2o$o4b2obo
4bobo2b2o5bob6o5bobobo2b2o2bo5bobo2b4obo5bo$o2b2ob2o2b3o2b2o3bo2bo3b4o
b3obobo4bob6o2bob3o2bo3b4o2bo$2b2o4b2obob2obo2b3ob2ob2ob4o4bo2b3o6b2ob
2obo6bo2b2o3bo$o2bo3b2o2b4o3bo3b2ob2o3b3o9bobob3ob4o2bobobo3bo2b2o2bo$
2bo3bobob2obobo4b2ob8o5bob2o2bobo3bo2b3o2b2o3bobob3o2bo$3obob4o2b2ob2o
bobobo3b2o2b2ob5o2bob3ob2ob3o3bob4o3b2ob2obo$bo4b3ob3o4bo3b2ob3o4bob3o
4b2o2b3ob4o5bob2o4bo5bo$bo5b4obob4o5bo3b3obo2b3o2b2o5b2ob3o7b3o2bob5o$
4o2b4o4b4o2bo5bo6b3o3bob2o5bobobobobo2b2o7b4o$ob4o2bob2ob2o2bobo3b2obo
b2obo4bo2bobobo2b3o2bo2b3o2b7ob2o$2b4o2bobobo2b2ob5o5b2o3bo4b2obobob3o
3bob4obob2ob6obo$7b4o2b5ob4o3b3o2bob3ob3o2bo3bobo2b3o4bob2obo2bobo$5o
2bobobo2b2o3bob2obo2b4obob3obo3bobo2b2obob2ob5o3b3o5bo$2ob2o3b2o2b2ob
3o3b2o3b5o2bobobo3bo3b2ob3o7b3o2b2ob3obo$b2o4b2o3b5o2b2obo4b6o7b2obo2b
o2b5obobo2b4ob2o2bo$2bob3o2bo6bobobob6o2bo3b2o3b2ob6obo3bo2b5obo2b4obo
$7ob2o4bob2ob3o2b5obo2b7obobobo2bo2bobo2bo2bo3bobob5o$5bo2bobo3b2o2b3o
bo6bo4b2ob3o3bobob2o2bo2bob2obo2bob2o2b3o$4bo3b2o3b2o4bob2o3b3ob3ob2ob
o6bo3b2obo2b5o4b2o2b2obo$5o2bo2b4o2b2o2bobo4bo2b2o6bo2bo3bobobobobob4o
2b5o3bo$4obo3b2obo2b4o2b2obo2b2o2bob2o2bo2bo2b3obo2b2obo2b2ob6o2bobo$
5obob3o3b3ob4obo3bobo2bobobobobobo3bo2b2o4b3ob2ob3o2bo2b2o$2b2obobobo
2bob2obobo2bo2b2o2b7o2bobo6bo2bo2bo2bo6bob2o2b3o$ob3obob8ob5ob2o6b3ob
2o2b2o2b4o4b3obobobob2obobo4bo$3ob5o3b2obobobo2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob3ob2o2bob
o2bob2obobob2o3bobobo$4bobob3o2b2o2b2o3b2ob2o2b2obo7b5o3b3ob3ob8obobob
2o$2ob4o7b2ob6o3bo3b3ob2o3bobob3o2bobob2o3bo2bo6bo2bo$3obobo3b2obo3b2o
3bobob3ob4o6bobobo4b3o2bo2bo3b5o2bo$2o3bobobo3b2ob11o4bo4b2obo2b2obo2b
2o2b4o4b2ob3ob2o2bo$3b5obo2bobo2b2o2bob3o4b2o2b2ob2o2bo2bo2b5obobo7bob
o3b2o$b2o4b3obob3ob3o2b2ob2obob2obo2bo3bo5b7o3b2obobob6ob2o$2b2ob2ob3o
2b5o4bo2b5ob3obo4b2obo4bobobob2o2bob2ob2o3bo2bo$2o2b2o2b2ob3obo2bobob
6obo6bo8b5obo2b2obo2b5obo3bo$bo2bo4b3ob2obo4bo4b2obob4o2bo3bobo5bo7b2o
b2o3bo5bo$3ob2o3b2o4bobobobob4obob7obob2ob3o4bob2obo3bo3bo2bobob2o$4bo
b5o2b2ob3o3b3obob2o2bo4bo4bob2o2bob4o2bobo5bob6o$3o3bobo2bobo2b3o7bo2b
obobo3b3obo2bob4o4b2o2b2o3b2ob2o2b2o$bobo10b5obo2b4ob2o3bobo5bob2o2b6o
b2obob3obob2ob4o$2o2bobo2bo2bobob2o3bo4bob2o3bobobo3b4ob3ob2o5bobob4ob
o$o2bo2bobo4b7o2bob5ob3obob2o3bob2o3b2ob2obo2b2o2bob2ob3o$bo4b2o2b2obo
2b2o2bo5b3ob3obo2b3obo2b2o2b2ob4obobobo2b2ob2obo$2bo2bobob2obob2o3bo4b
2ob2o2bo4b4obob3ob4ob2obo3bobo3bobob3o$2o5bob4ob2obo2bo3bo3b3o4b3o2b2o
b4obobo2b2o2b2o3b5obo$bobo4b5o3bobo2bo5b2o2b3o2bob5obob2o5b4ob2o4b7o$
2b2ob2o2b2obo6bobobo5b11ob3obo2bo4b2obobob2o2bobob2obo$o2b2obobob2o2bo
2bobob4o4b2obobob5obob2o3bo2bobo2b5o4bob2obo$bobo2b2ob2o3b2obo2b3o2bo
2bob2ob2obo5b2ob5obobob2o2bobo2bob3o$b5obob4o5bob5obob3o5b3o2bo2b3obob
o3b3ob6o4bob2o!

Guns are pretty common (there's a 2-barrel one in the above soup) but they don't really do much aside from create intricate B-type machine-like structures.

EDIT: 4c/12 diagonal rake which probably makes some infinite-novelty-type stuff:

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x = 10, y = 7, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
b2o$obobo2b2o$b3obobobo$3b2o2b2o$4b3o$4bobo$5bo!

EDIT2: IceNine (I haven't read Cat's Cradle yet but I know that's what it's from):

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x = 22, y = 18, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
6b2o11b2o$6b2ob2o$3bo2b2o2bo$3b2ob3o$bobobob3o3bo$3ob3ob3ob2o$bobobobo
bobobo$2b3ob3ob3ob2o$bobobobobobobobo3bo$b2ob3ob3ob3ob2o$3bobobobobobo
bo$3b2ob3ob3ob3ob4o$5bobobobobobo3b3o$b2o2bo2b2o2b3ob3obo$2bo9b2obobob
o$b4o9b3o$3b2o9b3o$4b3o!

Both IceNine and the diagonal rakes can be killed by adding B6n, but the guns are still there.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 10th, 2019, 11:29 pm

by Saka

The B6n version looks apgsearchable, will try.
EDIT: It isnt, but I dont know why
Meanwhile, sick gun

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x = 3, y = 1, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6cen7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
obo!

Also, a soup that makes a cool glider formation

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x = 512, y = 1, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6cen7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
4ob2o3bo2bob2o2b3ob10o2b4o2bob3ob2obo3bob2obob4ob2o3bo2b4obo3bobo2b2ob
4o2b3o2bob2ob4ob2obo4bob2o2bobo2b2o2b3obob5o4bo2bob4obobo2bo3b3obobob
2o5b3o4bobobob6obob5o3b2obo2bobobobobo2bo4b3o4bob2ob2o4b2o2b4ob2o2bobo
b3o3b2obo5b3o3bob2obo2bob2obo3b3ob2obo3bo3b4o4b2o4b3ob2ob2ob4obo2b5obo
3b2o2b3o4b2o2b2ob2o5bob2o2b3o2b4obo2bob2obo3b2obobobo5bo2bo4b2obobobob
o2b2ob3o2bo2b2ob2obo4b2o9b4o3bo3b3o2bobobo3bobo!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 11th, 2019, 5:24 am

by testitemqlstudop

sick gun EDIT: heisenburp

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x = 16, y = 17, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6cen7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
10b2o$9bobo$10b2o$8b4o$7bobo$8b2o7$4bo2bo$3bob2obo$3b6o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 11th, 2019, 5:48 am

by wildmyron

Well blow me down with a feather! I did not expect this quest to be succcessful. A very interesting rule.

testitemqlstudop wrote:sick gun synth

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x = 16, y = 17, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6cen7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
10b2o$9bobo$10b2o$8b4o$7bobo$8b2o7$4bo2bo$3bob2obo$3b6o!

With single ships (4S, including cleanup):

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x = 24, y = 13, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6cen7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6e
2b3o$2bobo$3bo3$2o20b2o$obo18bobo$2o20b2o3$3bo$2bobo$2b3o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 11th, 2019, 6:07 pm

by praosylen

Removing S5e and adding B3c to the original rule eliminates the IceNine as well as a troublesome C orthogonal triple rake while keeping the p2 that can eat photons:

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x = 72, y = 72, rule = B1e2-an3cejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5jk6e
3b2o2bo2b5obo2bobo2bob2obo2b2o2b10ob4o2b5o7bob3obo$3ob2ob4o2bo3bobo7b
2obobobobob8ob2ob2obobo3b2o4b2ob4o$ob2o2bo3b3o2b2o2bobob2o4b2obo2bo2bo
2bob4o2bo2bo3b3o3b2obobo3bo$b2o3b3obobo2b3o4b2ob4o3bobob2o3b2obo2bo5bo
b2o4bobo3b5o$o2b2o2bob4ob2ob2obob5o6bo2bo5bo5bo3b4o2bobob2o2b2o2bo$o2b
2ob2ob2o5b9o6b3ob2o2bob5ob2o2bo2b3o4bobo3bo2b2o$4obo3b4obo2bo2bob2o2b
6o6b3o2bob2obobo2b2o2bo2bobo7b2o$b2o2bobob7obo2bobobob2obo5bobobobob2o
2bob5ob2o6bo2bob4o$3b3ob2obo3b5ob3obob2o2b3o2b2o2bo6b5o5bobobob2o2bob
4o$o2bob3o2bo3bob3o2b6obob2ob6ob2o2b4o2bob4o2b2ob3o6bo$o3bob2o3b2obo3b
o2b2obobo7b7obo3b3o2b3o2b2o2b5obob3o$o2b2o2b5ob5o4b7o4bo2b3o5bo2bobo3b
2o5b2ob2obo2b2o$3o2b2o3b2ob2ob4o6bobobob2ob6obobobo6bo6b3ob2o2bo2bo$b
2o2b2o2bo4b3o3b4o3bo3bo4b2o2b2ob6o3b4obo6b2ob4o$o8bo3bobo2b3obobo2bobo
2bo6bo2bob2o2b2o3bobobo4b5o3bo$o3bo2bob3o2b5o2b3o7bobobobob2o2bo3bob2o
2bobobo3bo3b2ob2o$2bo6b2obo3b2o2bobob4o2bobob7o2bo2b2ob3o3b2o2b3o2bo2b
o2b2o$7b2o4bobo2bo2bo2bob2obo5b2obobob4o4b3o4bo2bob2obo2b2obo$obo2bobo
2bo3bob2obo2b2obob2ob2ob2obobobobobo3bo3b2o3bo3bo7b2o$b2obob2o2b5obob
2obobo4bobobob2ob2o2bo3b2o4bobob2o3bobob3ob4o$2b5o2bobobo3bo4b2o2b2o3b
ob3ob2o2b2ob3o3bobobob4obo2bobo$3obob3o3b5o2b2ob2ob4ob3o2b2o3bo2b2obob
3o2b5obob3ob2o4bo$o2bo2b2obo3bobo2bobobob2obo3bobo4b2o2b2ob2o3b3ob2ob
3obo5b2obo$3bob4o2b2o4bobo3bo3bo3bo9bo3b2obobo2b6ob3ob2o2bob2o$o4b2obo
4bobo2b2o5bob6o5bobobo2b2o2bo5bobo2b4obo5bo$o2b2ob2o2b3o2b2o3bo2bo3b4o
b3obobo4bob6o2bob3o2bo3b4o2bo$2b2o4b2obob2obo2b3ob2ob2ob4o4bo2b3o6b2ob
2obo6bo2b2o3bo$o2bo3b2o2b4o3bo3b2ob2o3b3o9bobob3ob4o2bobobo3bo2b2o2bo$
2bo3bobob2obobo4b2ob8o5bob2o2bobo3bo2b3o2b2o3bobob3o2bo$3obob4o2b2ob2o
bobobo3b2o2b2ob5o2bob3ob2ob3o3bob4o3b2ob2obo$bo4b3ob3o4bo3b2ob3o4bob3o
4b2o2b3ob4o5bob2o4bo5bo$bo5b4obob4o5bo3b3obo2b3o2b2o5b2ob3o7b3o2bob5o$
4o2b4o4b4o2bo5bo6b3o3bob2o5bobobobobo2b2o7b4o$ob4o2bob2ob2o2bobo3b2obo
b2obo4bo2bobobo2b3o2bo2b3o2b7ob2o$2b4o2bobobo2b2ob5o5b2o3bo4b2obobob3o
3bob4obob2ob6obo$7b4o2b5ob4o3b3o2bob3ob3o2bo3bobo2b3o4bob2obo2bobo$5o
2bobobo2b2o3bob2obo2b4obob3obo3bobo2b2obob2ob5o3b3o5bo$2ob2o3b2o2b2ob
3o3b2o3b5o2bobobo3bo3b2ob3o7b3o2b2ob3obo$b2o4b2o3b5o2b2obo4b6o7b2obo2b
o2b5obobo2b4ob2o2bo$2bob3o2bo6bobobob6o2bo3b2o3b2ob6obo3bo2b5obo2b4obo
$7ob2o4bob2ob3o2b5obo2b7obobobo2bo2bobo2bo2bo3bobob5o$5bo2bobo3b2o2b3o
bo6bo4b2ob3o3bobob2o2bo2bob2obo2bob2o2b3o$4bo3b2o3b2o4bob2o3b3ob3ob2ob
o6bo3b2obo2b5o4b2o2b2obo$5o2bo2b4o2b2o2bobo4bo2b2o6bo2bo3bobobobobob4o
2b5o3bo$4obo3b2obo2b4o2b2obo2b2o2bob2o2bo2bo2b3obo2b2obo2b2ob6o2bobo$
5obob3o3b3ob4obo3bobo2bobobobobobo3bo2b2o4b3ob2ob3o2bo2b2o$2b2obobobo
2bob2obobo2bo2b2o2b7o2bobo6bo2bo2bo2bo6bob2o2b3o$ob3obob8ob5ob2o6b3ob
2o2b2o2b4o4b3obobobob2obobo4bo$3ob5o3b2obobobo2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob3ob2o2bob
o2bob2obobob2o3bobobo$4bobob3o2b2o2b2o3b2ob2o2b2obo7b5o3b3ob3ob8obobob
2o$2ob4o7b2ob6o3bo3b3ob2o3bobob3o2bobob2o3bo2bo6bo2bo$3obobo3b2obo3b2o
3bobob3ob4o6bobobo4b3o2bo2bo3b5o2bo$2o3bobobo3b2ob11o4bo4b2obo2b2obo2b
2o2b4o4b2ob3ob2o2bo$3b5obo2bobo2b2o2bob3o4b2o2b2ob2o2bo2bo2b5obobo7bob
o3b2o$b2o4b3obob3ob3o2b2ob2obob2obo2bo3bo5b7o3b2obobob6ob2o$2b2ob2ob3o
2b5o4bo2b5ob3obo4b2obo4bobobob2o2bob2ob2o3bo2bo$2o2b2o2b2ob3obo2bobob
6obo6bo8b5obo2b2obo2b5obo3bo$bo2bo4b3ob2obo4bo4b2obob4o2bo3bobo5bo7b2o
b2o3bo5bo$3ob2o3b2o4bobobobob4obob7obob2ob3o4bob2obo3bo3bo2bobob2o$4bo
b5o2b2ob3o3b3obob2o2bo4bo4bob2o2bob4o2bobo5bob6o$3o3bobo2bobo2b3o7bo2b
obobo3b3obo2bob4o4b2o2b2o3b2ob2o2b2o$bobo10b5obo2b4ob2o3bobo5bob2o2b6o
b2obob3obob2ob4o$2o2bobo2bo2bobob2o3bo4bob2o3bobobo3b4ob3ob2o5bobob4ob
o$o2bo2bobo4b7o2bob5ob3obob2o3bob2o3b2ob2obo2b2o2bob2ob3o$bo4b2o2b2obo
2b2o2bo5b3ob3obo2b3obo2b2o2b2ob4obobobo2b2ob2obo$2bo2bobob2obob2o3bo4b
2ob2o2bo4b4obob3ob4ob2obo3bobo3bobob3o$2o5bob4ob2obo2bo3bo3b3o4b3o2b2o
b4obobo2b2o2b2o3b5obo$bobo4b5o3bobo2bo5b2o2b3o2bob5obob2o5b4ob2o4b7o$
2b2ob2o2b2obo6bobobo5b11ob3obo2bo4b2obobob2o2bobob2obo$o2b2obobob2o2bo
2bobob4o4b2obobob5obob2o3bo2bobo2b5o4bob2obo$bobo2b2ob2o3b2obo2b3o2bo
2bob2ob2obo5b2ob5obobob2o2bobo2bob3o$b5obob4o5bob5obob3o5b3o2bo2b3obob
o3b3ob6o4bob2o!

Guns are still common, and there's at least one new one, which I haven't been able to isolate. Here's something that works in the other rules, too:

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x = 5, y = 2, rule = B1e2-an3cejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5jk6e
o$4bo!

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x = 5, y = 2, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5ejk6en
o$4bo!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 11th, 2019, 11:47 pm

by wildmyron

Saka wrote:The B6n version looks apgsearchable, will try.
EDIT: It isnt, but I dont know why[/code]

Hmm, even one soup with a single p6 gun can take apgluxe v5.x almost a minute to census. I'm really not sure what's going on there.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 11th, 2019, 11:57 pm

by testitemqlstudop

Perhaps 1.x will be quicker for these kinds of rules?

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 12:57 am

by wildmyron

testitemqlstudop wrote:Perhaps 1.x will be quicker for these kinds of rules?

With the default settings it doesn't fare too well either. With relaxed stabilisation parameters I managed to get up to ~1 soup/s. After about 1k soups the census consisted of flotillae of p1 and p2 photons, various p6 guns, and the p34 gun.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 1:26 am

by dani

Weird unexplained glider formations:

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x = 1, y = 1, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4ejkrtwy5ceny6ce7c/S3-aejr4cknqty5aejk
o!

The closest I've got is this rule, which has a semi-common gun, and some annoying, stupid rakes that I hate with a passion:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
o2$2o$obo$b2o!

In addition, in this rule, no formation of two dots will create a gun, no matter how hard you try.

EDIT: Engineered p16 gun / osc:

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
12b2o$4b2o6bobo3b2o$4bobo6b2o2bobo$b2o2b2o10b2o$bobo$2b2o2bo8b2o$5bobo
7bobo$5b3o7b2o$b2o$obo$2o2$21b2o$20bobo$20b2o$6b2o7b3o$2b2obobo7bobo$b
obo2b2o8bo2b2o$b2o16bobo$4b2o10b2o2b2o$3bobo2b2o6bobo$3b2o3bobo6b2o$9b
2o!

EDIT: Shoots a double ship:

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x = 25, y = 54, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
11b2o$5b2o3bobo6b2o$5bobo2b2o6bobo$6b2o10b2o2b2o$3b2o16bobo$3bobo2b2o
8bo2b2o$4b2obobo7bobo$8b2o7b3o$22b2o$22bobo$23b2o2$2b2o$2bobo$3b2o$7b
3o7b2o$7bobo7bobob2o$4b2o2bo8b2o2bobo$3bobo16b2o$3b2o14b2o$15b2o2bobo$
14bobo3b2o$14b2o2$2b2o$bobo$b2o$b2o$bobo$2b2o2$12b2o$12bobo3b2o$13b2o
2bobo$b2o14b2o$bobo16b2o$2b2o2bo8b2o2bobo$5bobo7bobob2o$5b3o7b2o$b2o$o
bo$2o2$21b2o$20bobo$20b2o$6b2o7b3o$2b2obobo7bobo$bobo2b2o8bo2b2o$b2o
16bobo$4b2o10b2o2b2o$3bobo2b2o6bobo$3b2o3bobo6b2o$9b2o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 1:44 am

by testitemqlstudop

Oooh, Dani's rule is great. In apgluxe 5 it clocks in at ~60 soups/second (4 cores). So far apgluxe hasn't found a natural YL, so I guess this wins (for now, until someone finds a rule with quicker apgsearch speed.)

I have reasons to think that apgluxe's YL detection is both b3s23-specific and profoundly slow, because for both non-explosive b2a, b1e, and an assortment of other rules, apgsearch spends a horrible amount of time just catagoling YL.

EDIT: SEE?

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Linear-growth pattern detected: yl6_1_6_ea06a41301c6c76a3abaa93366359f38
b1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7cs2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce/C1: 32 soups completed (1.396 soups/second current, 1.396 overall).

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 1:59 am

by testitemqlstudop

Double-barreled period-halved bi-ship gun:

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x = 58, y = 35, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
47b2o$39b2o6bobo3b2o$39bobo6b2o2bobo$36b2o2b2o10b2o$36bobo16b2o$37b2o
5b2o8bobo$44bobo7b2o$44b2o$36b2o$35bobo12b3o$35b2o13bobo$41bo9bo$12b2o
26bobo13b2o$4b2o6bobo3b2o20b3o12bobo$4bobo6b2o2bobo35b2o$b2o2b2o10b2o
12b2o14b2o$bobo26bobo13bobo$2b2o5b2o14b2o4b2o14b2o5b2o$9bobo13bobo26bo
bo$9b2o14b2o12b2o10b2o2b2o$b2o35bobo2b2o6bobo$obo12b3o20b2o3bobo6b2o$
2o13bobo26b2o$6bo9bo$5bobo13b2o$5b3o12bobo$20b2o$12b2o$2b2o7bobo$bobo
8b2o5b2o$b2o16bobo$4b2o10b2o2b2o$3bobo2b2o6bobo$3b2o3bobo6b2o$9b2o!

Period-halved normal gun:

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x = 61, y = 47, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
27b2o$19b2o5bobo2b2o$18bobo5b2o3bobo$16b4o12b2o$15bobo15b2o$15b2o7b2o
7bobo$24bobo7b2o$24b2o$14b2o$14bobo$15b2o3bo8b3o$19bobo7bobo$19b3o8bo
3b2o$34bobo$35b2o14b2o$25b2o16b2o5bobo2b2o$15b2o7bobo15bobo5b2o3bobo$
15bobo7b2o7b2o4b4o12b2o$16b2o15bobo3bobo15b2o$17b2o14b2o4b2o7b2o7bobo$
17bobo3b2o23bobo7b2o$18b2o2bobo23b2o$22b2o14b2o$38bobo$13b2o24b2o3bo8b
3o$5b2o5bobo2b2o24bobo7bobo$4bobo5b2o3bobo9b3o11b3o8bo3b2o$2b4o12b2o9b
obo26bobo$bobo26bo28b2o$b2o7b2o14b2o5b2o14b2o$10bobo13bobo3bobo13bobo$
10b2o14b2o5b2o14b2o7b2o$2o55bobo$obo38b2o12b4o$b2o3bo8b3o23bobo3b2o5bo
bo$5bobo7bobo24b2o2bobo5b2o$5b3o8bo3b2o24b2o$20bobo$21b2o$11b2o$b2o7bo
bo$bobo7b2o7b2o$2b2o15bobo$3b2o12b4o$3bobo3b2o5bobo$4b2o2bobo5b2o$8b2o
!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 2:04 am

by Saka

Smaller 1 barrel biship gun.

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x = 20, y = 8, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
7b2o2b2o$6bobo2bobo$6b2o4b2o$2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$obo2bobo4bobo2bobo$b2o3b8o
3b2o$7bob2obo$8bo2bo!

Trying to find ways to make arbitrarily wide ships.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 2:14 am

by testitemqlstudop

*facepalm* WHY DID I NOT THINK OF THAT

Let's call the smallest ship "photon", or "p".
Three closely-related technologies, all based off the heiseinburp 1P->3P (stolen off Dani's gun, thx)

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x = 66, y = 139, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
7b2o$7bobo$8b2o2$2o$obo$2o61$27b2o$27bobo3b2o$28b2o2bobo$32b2o2$24b2o$
24bobo$24b2o57$56b2o$56bobo3b2o$57b2o2bobo$61b2o$64b2o$53b2o8bobo$53bo
bo7b2o$53b2o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 2:45 am

by Saka

we should probably start a OCA thread for this.
Heisenburp splitter EDIT: Known.

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x = 7, y = 10, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
3o$obo$bo5$5b2o$4bobo$4b2o!

3P Boat synth (2 photon probably exists)

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
2b3o$2bobo$3bo5$11b2o$10bobo$11b2o$2o$obo$2o!

All the "notable" 2P collisions I could find, all the others just delete both of the ships.

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x = 76, y = 46, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
2o28b2o28b2o$obo27bobo27bobo$2o12b2o14b2o28b2o$13bobo28b2o$14b2o27bobo
28b2o$44b2o27bobo$74b2o7$2o18b2o$obo17bobo$2o18b2o8$6bo20bo$5bobo18bob
o$5b3o18b3o8$2o$obo$2o8$8bo$7bobo$7b3o!

New gun from catagolue

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
b3o$obobo$2ob2o!

New adjustable gun mechanism found accidentally

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
14b2o7b2o$14bob2o3b2obo$15b3o3b3o2$19bo2$2o7b2o5b3ob3o$ob2o3b2obo5bobo
bobo$b3o3b3o7bo3bo2$5bo2$2b3ob3o$2bobobobo$3bo3bo2$b2o5b2o5b2o5b2o$obo
5bobo3bobo5bobo$2o7b2o3b2o7b2o!

It can be activated by a photon

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x = 11, y = 23, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
4b3o$4bobo$5bo8$2o7b2o$obo5bobo$b2o5b2o8$b2o5b2o$obo5bobo$2o7b2o!

I've been trying to find a same-lane glider duplicator, but this is the closest I've gotten

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x = 11, y = 23, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
4b3o$4bobo$5bo7$b2o$obo$2o$9b2o$8bobo$8b2o6$b2o5b2o$obo5bobo$2o7b2o!

Meanwhile, a boat-adder

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x = 6, y = 14, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
2o$obo$b2o9$4bo$3bobo$3b3o!

OH HECK A RAKE

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x = 29, y = 39, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
10bo3bo3bo$9bob3ob3obo$9b3o2bo2b3o2$12b2ob2o$12bo3bo$13b3o2$11bo5bo$
10bobo3bobo$11bo5bo$7b2o11b2o$6bobo4b3o4bobo$7b2o4bobo4b2o$14bo$5b2o
15b2o$4bobo5bo3bo5bobo$5b2o3b2obobob2o3b2o$5b2o2bob2o3b2obo2b2o$4bobo
3b3o3b3o3bobo$5b2o3b2obobob2o3b2o$12b5o2$9b2o3bo3b2o$8bobo2bobo2bobo$b
2o6b2o3bo3b2o6b2o$obo6b2o7b2o6bobo$b2o5bobo7bobo5b2o$5b2o2b2o7b2o2b2o$
4bobo15bobo$5b2o15b2o$13b3o$13bobo$14bo$10b3o3b3o$10bobo3bobo$4b2o5bo
5bo5b2o$3bobo17bobo$4b2o17b2o!

Just for fun

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x = 56, y = 50, rule = B1e2-an3ejkry4cjkrw5ceny6c7c/S2i3cknqy4cknqty5ej6ce
25b6o$25bob2obo$26bo2bo21$18b3o$2o16bobo33b2o$obo16bo33bobo$2o52b2o$3b
2o46b2o$3bobo44bobo$3b2o46b2o$6b2o19b2o19b2o$6bobo17bobo18bobo$6b2o19b
2o19b2o$16b2o$16bobo$16b2o6$26bo$25bobo$25b3o$29bo$28bobo$28b3o$32bo$
31bobo$31b3o!

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 2:47 am

by testitemqlstudop

The 1p->3p was 1st in my tech collection

I think conduitry and half-omniP (i.e. all even periods) is possible, given the p2 reflector.
But you post the thread since pppl ignore my threads.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 3:03 am

by Saka

just a heads up, i've edited my last post and will continue to edit it for new discoveries.

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 3:27 am

by testitemqlstudop

Doesn't the 2nd one in my collection work as a duplicator?

Re: Find a non-explosive B1e rule WHERE LINEAR GROWTH IS RARE

Posted: June 12th, 2019, 3:30 am

by Saka

testitemqlstudop wrote:Doesn't the 2nd one in my collection work as a duplicator?

Sorry, I meant a same-lane duplicator.