cellular automata according to Max Planck

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Hubi1857 » January 29th, 2020, 6:30 pm

otismo wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 3:43 pm
we should all care about climate change

the climate is constantly changing

but instead of worrying/stressing over it

we should learn to deal with it

by having appropriate clothing.....
You mix up social climate and local weather. The former happens mostly indoors in air-conditioned rooms when the weather gets rough and the latter needs appropriate clothing when you take a walk outdoors.
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Moosey » January 29th, 2020, 7:05 pm

Ian07 wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 4:16 pm
otismo wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 3:43 pm
we should all care about climate change

. . .

we should learn to deal with it

by having appropriate clothing.....
With all due respect, I'm pretty sure that telling people to "just adapt to the climate" qualifies as not caring about climate change.
I agree
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by pcallahan » January 29th, 2020, 7:51 pm

Moosey wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 7:05 pm
Ian07 wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 4:16 pm
otismo wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 3:43 pm
we should all care about climate change

. . .

we should learn to deal with it

by having appropriate clothing.....
With all due respect, I'm pretty sure that telling people to "just adapt to the climate" qualifies as not caring about climate change.
I agree
Well, I still like to call it global warming, not least because I read that "climate change" is an intentional rebranding to make it sound more innocuous. I am not completely sure if that explanation is true, but I will stick with global warming. While the warming is not evenly spread, average temperature is increasing measurably, so it's an accurate term.

Anyway, suffice it to say that neither intelligent design nor climate denialism are popular sentiments here, though I can't speak for everyone.

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by KennyFromSouthPark » January 29th, 2020, 11:57 pm

Back to topic cellular automata according to Max Planck, please!
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Hubi1857 » January 30th, 2020, 7:22 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 1:15 am
{size=200}{size=200}{size=200}{size=200}{size=200}Both isotropic and anisotropic cellular automaton in a local bounded grid can be represented as a compressible finite state automata, with 2^(n^2) states and isomorphic edges between states.{/size}{/size}{/size}{/size}{/size}{/size}



That's what I call sabotage
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Moosey » January 30th, 2020, 7:59 am

Hubi1857 wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 7:22 am
testitemqlstudop wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 1:15 am

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[size=200][size=200][size=200][size=200][size=200]Both isotropic and anisotropic cellular automaton in a local bounded grid can be represented as a compressible finite state automata, with 2^(n^2) states and isomorphic edges between states.[/size][/size][/size][/size][/size]



That's what I call sabotage
Hey at least it had some useful information in it
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Hubi1857 » January 30th, 2020, 8:04 am

:wink:
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Hooloovoo » January 30th, 2020, 3:43 pm

pcallahan wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 1:01 pm
The application of CGOL rules does require a grid and a lot more compute power than you will get from a ZX81.
Not quite true: the ZX81 can be programmed to simulate life at plenty of generations per second. Based on my knowledge of z80 assembly, I'd guess that you could easily get 100gps - and when you have a 64x48 graphics mode, that's more than enough.

In high school, I learned to program on a TI graphing calculator, which has roughly similar specs to the ZX81 - a Z80 and a 64x96 screen. I recall making a BASIC program to simulate life, which was way too slow, but my Axe (compiles to assembly) version was much faster.
One of the forums, Omnimaga, ran a code golf challenge for CGOL a while back. There are several Axe and BASIC versions.

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by pcallahan » January 30th, 2020, 4:07 pm

Hooloovoo wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Not quite true: the ZX81 can be programmed to simulate life at plenty of generations per second. Based on my knowledge of z80 assembly, I'd guess that you could easily get 100gps - and when you have a 64x48 graphics mode, that's more than enough.
Agreed, though my early experience was with a TRS-80, a similarly powered Z-80 machine. I programmed Life in assembly once but did not think about doing sparse life and it was probably more like 10 or 20 gps. I don't recall.

To clarify, I mean that video of a Wolfram rule getting turned into Life at the frontier is a bit beyond what you could create on a ZX81, at least in real time.

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by dvgrn » January 31st, 2020, 11:57 am

pcallahan wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 4:07 pm
Agreed, though my early experience was with a TRS-80, a similarly powered Z-80 machine. I programmed Life in assembly once but did not think about doing sparse life and it was probably more like 10 or 20 gps. I don't recall.
Same here -- 64x48 Life on a TRS-80 Model 1 was my one and only assembly-language program, somewhere around 1984, not counting a patch for a PacMan clone called "Scarfman", to allow unlimited lives. The Life implementation was the simplest possible iteration through a byte array, or rather two alternating byte arrays -- no bit-twiddling tricks at all. It just managed to beat one generation per second on the whole field. (No slowdown with population increase, though -- nice and steady.)

I was overjoyed at the time: the BASIC version of the same algorithm took over a minute per generation. This was a chip with a clock speed measured in kilohertz, not megahertz or gigahertz. When I asked the BASIC interpreter to multiply two floating-point numbers, I seem to remember there being a short but measurable pause before the answer appeared.

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by otismo » February 6th, 2020, 1:07 am

maybe some of you Max Planck types could make this a real racetrack...

http://gol.fav.uno/examples/racetrackSIX.rle

import in your browser at the site

http://gol.fav.uno
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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Moosey » February 6th, 2020, 7:48 am

otismo wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 1:07 am
maybe some of you Max Planck types could make this a real racetrack...
Then you're out of luck; our only "Max Planck type" isn't known for constructing patterns
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by otismo » February 6th, 2020, 2:18 pm

IDK what to do

factor periodicity

bump it - burp it - what

offer $10 - I really wanna see it

just tired of it already - and it could be

an even BETTER showcase for all the goodies here...
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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by pcallahan » February 6th, 2020, 3:34 pm

Moosey wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 7:48 am
otismo wrote:
February 6th, 2020, 1:07 am
maybe some of you Max Planck types could make this a real racetrack...
Then you're out of luck; our only "Max Planck type" isn't known for constructing patterns
And where has our Plonkus Maximus gone? I was starting to think he was getting the hang of how to post here, at least in Sandbox.

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by otismo » February 23rd, 2020, 7:53 am

otismo wrote:
January 26th, 2020, 3:19 am
one of the three pulsar phases is four ships bound by fire

rule 30 meditation :

https://youtu.be/IK7nBOLYzdE

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now if we could have them working in golly...

Well, here is one more instance of yet another rule "feeding" into CGoL :

http://teb.jct.onl/gliderville/gliderville.html

better yet because it is embedded in a webpage
TEB.zip
have your own offline version
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TEB.zip contains some nice tight javascript that essentially does its job

you may wish to add it to your library of goodies - TEB=initials

includes his love letter easter egg - this guy may like

these Forums and may have M.P. skills.....
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In the Game of Life there are no winners there are no losers there are only SURVIVORS.
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Code: Select all

#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by mniemiec » February 23rd, 2020, 1:59 pm

otismo wrote:
February 23rd, 2020, 7:53 am
Well, here is one more instance of yet another rule "feeding" into CGoL :
http://teb.jct.onl/gliderville/gliderville.html
better yet because it is embedded in a webpage
This (and previous examples) have fixed regions where the rule used by a cell is determined by where the cell is located. It might be more interesting to use two colors, with distinct birth and survival rules for each color (e.g. CGoL for one, HightLife for the other), which would make it possible for the boundary between the two kinds of life to be fluid (e.g. building crystals by intersecting streams of spaceships from two different rules).

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by otismo » February 23rd, 2020, 3:27 pm

mniemiec wrote:
February 23rd, 2020, 1:59 pm
otismo wrote:
February 23rd, 2020, 7:53 am
Well, here is one more instance of yet another rule "feeding" into CGoL :
http://teb.jct.onl/gliderville/gliderville.html
better yet because it is embedded in a webpage
This (and previous examples) have fixed regions where the rule used by a cell is determined by where the cell is located. It might be more interesting to use two colors, with distinct birth and survival rules for each color (e.g. CGoL for one, HightLife for the other), which would make it possible for the boundary between the two kinds of life to be fluid (e.g. building crystals by intersecting streams of spaceships from two different rules).
GREAT IDEA !

now all we have to do is write the software -

and since it was your idea...

I want to re-visit the humble tumbler

a p14 "oscillator" that everybody takes for granted

perhaps Max Planck may have looked at it differently and may have seen

the smallest possible universal constructor/replicator, which makes an exact copy of itself every 7 ticks

( it is reversed - but we are expecting too much - exactly HOW is the information encoded in the pattern - we shall have the answer... )
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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Post by bubblegum » February 24th, 2020, 1:36 am

sorry to burst your bubble, but Max Planck left this world at around the same time John von Neumann's CA entered it
it's a nice concept, though
Be nice, please, or else...
we're not doing a great job, are we

Figure eight on pentadecathlon, a 30-bit p120

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x = 23, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
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Re: hubi's bombardment site

Post by otismo » February 25th, 2020, 12:21 pm

bubblegum wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 1:36 am
sorry to burst your bubble, but Max Planck left this world at around the same time John von Neumann's CA entered it
it's a nice concept, though
Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck, ForMemRS was a German theoretical physicist whose discovery of energy quanta won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918. The Canadian Patriot publication describes Max Planck as a "classical pianist and revolutionary physicist". Wikipedia

Born: April 23, 1858, Kiel, Germany
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before "The Universe" itself tears us to shreds - we are becoming so very complex -

and so greater are the forces of instability and chaos...
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Code: Select all

#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Re: hubi's bombardment site

Post by pcallahan » February 25th, 2020, 12:24 pm

bubblegum wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 1:36 am
sorry to burst your bubble, but Max Planck left this world at around the same time John von Neumann's CA entered it
it's a nice concept, though
I think the high concept here was CA as they would have been treated by Max Planck, kind of like what if Hannibal had airships to transport his elephants (a very interesting question IMHO). Unfortunately, it got a bit sidetracked, and the originator appears to be missing in action unless he's using another name.

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Re: hubi's bombardment site

Post by bubblegum » February 25th, 2020, 7:19 pm

pcallahan wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 12:24 pm
bubblegum wrote:
February 24th, 2020, 1:36 am
sorry to burst your bubble, but Max Planck left this world at around the same time John von Neumann's CA entered it
it's a nice concept, though
I think the high concept here was CA as they would have been treated by Max Planck, kind of like what if Hannibal had airships to transport his elephants (a very interesting question IMHO). Unfortunately, it got a bit sidetracked, and the originator appears to be missing in action unless he's using another name.
I know, and I fully support the topic discussion, unfortunately Hubi is MIA and without another name this time. Hopefully he'll come back.

Also, let's discuss Max Planck visiting failed replicators. Did he see potential in them or did he just pass them off as another disappointing false positive? (and please, no more wikipedia articles)
Be nice, please, or else...
we're not doing a great job, are we

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x = 23, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
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Re: hubi's profanity site

Post by Moosey » February 25th, 2020, 8:06 pm

bubblegum wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 7:19 pm
I know, and I fully support the topic discussion, unfortunately Hubi is MIA and without another name this time. Hopefully he'll come back.
Hopefully, he'll come back with a better understanding of the evolution of the glider. And less hatred towards me.

Personally, I don't expect that to happen from someone who got frustrated with dvgrn when dvgrn removed profanity from the thread, considering that profanity is against the rules. Remember, Hubi called us all ignorant, and attacked anyone whose opinions involved (quite rightly, in my own) a distaste for what Hubi did.



Also, whether the topic was actually important is debatable; as rhombic once put it, it's a bunch of "pseudoscientific ramble". Though of course perhaps this was less to do with the nature of the topic as much as the nature of the author.
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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by otismo » March 4th, 2020, 4:48 pm

BACK ON TOPIC

"discrete energy quanta"

what would that be in CA ?

in CGoL ?
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Code: Select all

#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Re: cellular automata according to Max Planck

Post by Moosey » March 4th, 2020, 6:03 pm

otismo wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 4:48 pm
BACK ON TOPIC

"discrete energy quanta"

what would that be in CA ?

in CGoL ?
Gs obviously
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