"the anti-rule thread"

[SquishyBoi]

hi hi
so if you go into any one of the seven available boards in the index, at the very top of the selected board will be a locked thread titled "forum rules".
in there, it explains all the rules on how not to act like a complete brainlet on the forums, you know that kind of stuff

but recently the three and a half neurons that compose most of my walnut-sized brain thought "hm i wonder if i made a thread dedicated to breaking all the forum's rules"

so in a nutshell, this thread is dedicated to doing literally anything but following the rules. (of course this is a joke)

if we try to attempt to break all the rules specified within the "forum rules" thread (except the ones like "no prying for information" or "no foul language", please don't do those), then every post in this thread must follow these new "anti-rules"

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1. this thread encourages to at least use one or more foreign languages in your post

a. this means that an entire post in regular english is not accepted.
b. if you could, minor usage of foreign languages/conlangs in your post just barely scrapes into the accepted criteria, and entire posts in at least one or more foreign languages/conlangs is also allowed

2. try to make your posts as unorganized as humanly possible

a. double posting is heavily encouraged; never edit a post to add more information
b. keep the formatting in your posts as migraine-inducing and as wacky as possible, like the overusage of unnecessary colours, font size, etc.
c. make lots of convoluted quote chains if possible

3. please post any extremely uninteresting discoveries here, such as...

a. a new still life
b. a methuselah that lasts fewer than 20,000 generations or is larger than a 20x20 box
c. an alternate stabilization for a reaction (unless it is smaller than the smallest currently known, then don't post it here)

4. take up as much vertical space as possible for the reader when posting RLEs here

a. if you decide to post an RLE here, please use "viewer" tags instead of "code" tags, just to annoy the reader :)

5. don't sue me

a. please don't

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ok bye :0

[MathAndCode]

We should wait for at least a year before posting in order to be able to post after over a year, i.e. break rule 3b.
I think that if we ask dvgrn, he might be willing to help by locking this thread until a year has passed.

[MathAndCode]

A bunch of posts in which dvgrn has quoted me in order to give him a notification in a rule-breaking way:

I'm sorry for not using [code]; I am still very new here and do not know all of the conventions...

Not a problem at all! Great to have new people show up here who want to contribute. Long-term conwaylife.com forum dwellers tend to get kind of set in their ways, so you'll find that recommendations will show up occasionally about how best to share things ... with various degrees of politeness, depending on who is doing the recommending! This definitely isn't anything to worry about or apologize for -- just try out the recommendations (if they're any good).

Along these lines, you attached several movies to your previous post -- multiple megabytes for "Loaf reactions", for example. It's not likely that anyone around here will get much use out of those, because we would have to download those files, decompress, and then transcribe cell positions into some CA simulation software before we could do anything with them.

Instead of this, the way that the first loaf reaction would get communicated here would be something like

Code: Select all

x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4bo2$5b2o$4bo2bo$5bobo$6bo$2b2o$3bo$3o$o!

... or if you want the animated-movie funcationality, you could do

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x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4bo2$5b2o$4bo2bo$5bobo$6bo$2b2o$3bo$3o$o!
#C [[ AUTOSTART PAUSE 1 GPS 5 LOOP 15 ]]

This only takes a few bytes instead of 172K, and the pattern can be directly copied out and and pasted into Golly or wherever, if anyone wants to do that.

By the way, what is the convention for responding to a moderator's comment in someone else's post? Should I have changed the name for the quote to dvgrn or kept it as mine?

There isn't really a convention, because it's something I try to do very rarely, and I don't think anyone has ever found my notes to be quoteworthy before. Either changing the attribution or keeping it the same would be fine.

What is the definition of a "non-centered neighborhood", for those squid/minnow rules -- R4B678S346789, etc.? There didn't seem to be an explanation available on the linked simulator website, and I wasn't quite motivated enough to try a deep dive into the source code.

Separate topic: to answer your question about blocks as spider tagalongs, the thing to look at is the Sokwe's jslife moving objects update. There's a file in there called spider-tagalongs.rle:

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#C Several tagalongs for the spider spaceship
#C Found by David Bell, Hartmut Holzwart, and Matthias Merzenich
x = 475, y = 225, rule = B3/S23
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I think that a better way to design a self-constructing diagonal spaceship with speed approaching c/4 might be to have two halves that are time-separated glide-reflections of each other along a parallel line so that they are actually orthogonally separated. One half will send out gliders, the other half will send out XWSSes, and the two will collide and construct a new half. This new half will send out XWSSes, and the half that originally sent out XWSSes will send out gliders, constructing another new half.

This is an interesting design idea, and I would love to see someone actually build one. The original Gemini spaceship was the first and only self-constructing structure that built things by colliding streams from two different directions, and it was way more efficient to encode recipes that way. There are already recipes available to send *WSSes in any direction, directly from a single-channel construction elbow, so that part wouldn’t be hard.

However, unidirectional “construct a Snark and Scottie Splitter” recipes are already available in slsparse’s database, whereas someone would have to build all new recipes for this G+*WSS design. There are also some non-trivial timing issues with getting the Gs and *WSSes to line up, since they travel at different speeds.

The most difficult detail is that when the signals that store the recipe arrive at a new half, a copy of them has to get sent onward immediately. So they have to have been delayed at the previous turn, otherwise they’ll get there before the new half is constructed. Any delay mechanism that I can think of will add a delay proportional to the length of the recipe, and that implies that the top speed will be something less than c/2. (We already have loopships, by the way, which do this kind of delay trick but travel orthogonally.)

There might also have to be twice as much circuitry, so that the *WSS part of the recipe is kept separate from the glider part. This adds up to quite a lot of new research. I hope someone does that research, for sure, but meanwhile we already have all the pieces of a Speed Demonoid, just waiting to be put together.

Why can't we just replace the green side with a reflected copy of the blue side? That way, the reaction envelopes will be completely disjoint.

Why does there even need to be a wick on both sides?

It doesn't cost much extra, and it solves a significant problem specific to Speed Demonoids. There has to be a Scorbie Splitter built at a distance away from the construction arm equal to the Demonoid's displacement, and also a Snark built at a distance of 1.5 times the displacement.

Until Pavgran suggested the idea of burning two wicks, it was simple enough to build and burn two separate wickstretchers. But two wicks on one stretcher is much more elegant, to the point of being pretty much irresistible!

Even if only one XWSS is sent out in order to collide with a glider and create a target, it will still probably be simpler than making a one-glider crab wickstretcher seed then figuring out how to activate it.

Again, the alternating-sides XWSS+Gs trick seems perfectly reasonable and I hope somebody figures out the details.

On the other hand, the one-glider crab wickstretcher seed is already 100% complete, and the remaining problems are very simple and don't require designing any new circuitry to speak of -- just some self-destruct seeds for a Scorbie Splitter and a Snark, which are fairly trivial as these things go.

About the spaceship not being able to reach c/4, isn't that true of any self-constructing spaceship? This particular one is preventing from reaching c/4 because the XWSS-glider collision that creates a target for glider construction will not send out the next XWSS and glider right away, but I believe that it could get arbitrarily close by moving the halves farther apart (although this would require multiple copies of the construction recipe to be circulating in order to prevent too long of a gap between the construction of sequential halves). Or is there some other problem?

I think there's another problem, but I could definitely be wrong. At least as I'm visualizing this, when you move the halves farther apart, you lengthen the amount of time that it takes for the recipe to finish building a copy of the reflector/construction-arm circuitry. This basically means that the time to completion of that construction isn't a constant -- it's some proportion of the total time that it takes for a glider to cross the width of the Demonoid.

That implies that the time needed for circuitry construction can't be made to be a vanishingly small percentage of the total period of the Demonoid... which means that the unreachable upper limit on speed will end up being some speed strictly less than c/4. With the wickstretcher method, there's no such limitation -- you can hit any rational speed less than c/4, with no exceptions, just by making the period long enough.

I still think that this could be solved by having multiple copies of the construction recipe and splitting the construction recipe into glider and XWSS parts. I don't think that lengthening the amount of time before construction is actually completed will be a problem because one will be able to send the tape to the newly-constructed circuitry before the circuitry is actually completed as long as it will be completed by the time that the tape arrives, i.e. all of the construction gliders have already been sent.

Sounds plausible. There might be some synchronization problems with multiple copies of the recipe, though. The first copy of the recipe has to arrive at each construction site when it's empty, to do the construction; the second copy can't start to arrive until the first copy has completed its work.

So there are various options. You could use a delay loop that's the full length of the construction recipe, and the construction recipe will now have to be expanded to build the delay-loop circuitry. If the leading copy of the recipe is used up doing the construction, then the delay loop will also have to include switching circuitry to allow an extra copy of the recipe to be made each cycle -- but only one extra copy: after that the whole circuit has to be able to shut down and self-destruct.

The loopship does all that stuff, and it adds up to quite a bit of complexity.

Maybe there's a clever way to make a copy of the leading recipe, so that it becomes the trailing recipe in the next cycle without using up too much space. The best way to find out if this will all work is probably to build one, or at least to put together a detailed blueprint showing all the stages of the self-construction and destruction cycle. Feel free to make a new thread and start posting illustrations!

The new structure probably shouldn't be called a "Speed Demonoid", though. There's already a perfectly good design for a Speed Demonoid, much simpler than what's described above. Its permanent circuitry in each half consists of just one Scorbie Splitter and one Snark. The rest is temporary one-time junk to do the crabstretcher building, fuse lighting and self-destructing.

Maybe you could call your design a "Speed Loopship"? Or something else, if you can figure out how to avoid building a memory storage loop to take care of the trailing recipe delay problem. Anyway I think the idea deserves a separate thread, especially since it might not need to make much use of one-glider seeds.

I might call it a flipping loopship or reflecting loopship because it will probably be glide-reflected halfway through its period.

The existing loopship also does that, but across an orthogonal line of symmetry instead of a diagonal one. So those names aren't technically very specific. A "diagonal loopship" would definitely be something new, though.

Dealing with multiple simultaneous copies of a construction recipe still sounds like an unnecessary hassle to me. On the other hand, self-constructing circuitry has taken a big detour for ten years after the Gemini spaceship came out, and honestly that's probably mostly my fault. The Gemini constructed itself with nice efficient "slow glider pairs" colliding at 90 degrees. Everything after that has been basically unidirectional, either slow salvos or single-channel streams.

So I might be badly biased about what is "simple" and what is not, just based on what I'm used to.

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Edit: I have created a separate topic.

Looks good!

There might be some injector that's already capable of that (assuming that the two gliders have a fixed relative timing, which will be the case here as long as all of the glider loops have the same size), but if not, we could have some sort of switch that would turn the splitter into an eater.

There are certainly exact-timing OR gates available, but if you rebuild them so that they're not painfully expensive to construct with gliders, then they get kind of bulky. And adjusting the loop timing so that the two inputs come into the OR gate at exactly the right time, would take even more circuitry. The one-time switching method probably makes a lot more sense.

There's a structure in the loopship that adds an eater to a splitter to turn it into a plain reflector. The best way to find it is to switch the loopship over to LifeHistory (currently Alt+H in Golly) and watch at a high step size what happens at each corner. Maybe use Alt+K to switch everything from state 1 to state 3 before you start, so you can see the still lifes that used to be there, after they've been used up (they'll turn red).

The signal that handles all the switching and the self-destruct mechanism actually travels two times around the loop by the time it's done, following the recipe but on different lanes. It's really very easy to set this kind of thing up. It's just a matter of scattering a few extra still lifes around the edges, maybe from this toolkit. Compared to the rest of the mechanisms you're contemplating here, the cost of these one-time turners and splitters and switches is pretty much negligible.

I think that a good way for LifeViewer to demonstrate this and show how the difference gradually grows would be to enable LifeViewer to run three different simulations in the three different color aspects (red, green, and blue) all at once. Or maybe this feature is already present, but I don't know about it because I'm still fairly new.ConwayLife color aspects.gif

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[wzkchem5]

hi hi
so if you go into any one of the seven available boards in the index, at the very top of the selected board will be a locked thread titled "forum rules".
in there, it explains all the rules on how not to act like a complete brainlet on the forums, you know that kind of stuff

but recently the three and a half neurons that compose most of my walnut-sized brain thought "hm i wonder if i made a thread dedicated to breaking all the forum's rules"

so in a nutshell, this thread is dedicated to doing literally anything but following the rules. (of course this is a joke)

if we try to attempt to break all the rules specified within the "forum rules" thread (except the ones like "no prying for information" or "no foul language", please don't do those), then every post in this thread must follow these new "anti-rules"

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1. this thread encourages to at least use one or more foreign languages in your post

a. this means that an entire post in regular english is not accepted.
b. if you could, minor usage of foreign languages/conlangs in your post just barely scrapes into the accepted criteria, and entire posts in at least one or more foreign languages/conlangs is also allowed

2. try to make your posts as unorganized as humanly possible

a. double posting is heavily encouraged; never edit a post to add more information
b. keep the formatting in your posts as migraine-inducing and as wacky as possible, like the overusage of unnecessary colours, font size, etc.
c. make lots of

convoluted

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3. please post any extremely uninteresting discoveries here, such as...

a. an old still life
b. a methuselah that lasts fewer than 1 generations or is larger than a googol*googol box
c. an alternate stabilization for a reaction (unless it is smaller than the smallest currently known, then don't post it here)

4. take up as much vertical space as possible for the reader when posting RLEs here

a. if you decide to post an RLE here, please use "viewer" tags instead of "code" tags, just to annoy the reader

5. do sue me

a. please do

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by the way:
6. Usage of background color as font color is encouraged

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and double posting

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