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Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 11:40 am
by BokaBB
wzkchem5 wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 11:38 am
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 8:24 am
wzchem5's work is probably not too suitable for a modern language (it sounds like caveman's language).
I would like SVO order.
The rest others should decide. At the end,I want this to be a combined project where everyone has left something.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
This is intended. The pronounciation <-> meaning mapping is to a large extent arbitrary, but pronounciations that do mimic natural sounds related to the meaning are slightly better than those that do not. So a rational approach would be to maximize the resemblance between the pronounciation and a natural sound that is related to its meaning.
Some language evolution happened,however.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 11:42 am
by Schiaparelliorbust
Ok then
think = resheo
and wzkchem5 we're both on Mars!
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 11:44 am
by BokaBB
Rig-Shine
Rigeo-infinitive
Rigen-present tense
Be rigeo-past tense
Be-was,were
Rigao-future tense
Mi rigeo-potential
Mi-would
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 11:50 am
by wzkchem5
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 11:42 am
Ok then
think = resheo
and wzkchem5 we're both on Mars!
Greetings, my Martian friend!
Re: Let's create a language without doing fonetix!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:00 pm
by Moosey
ok but seriously we need to figure out what our phonetics, orthography, and phonotactics are
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:01 pm
by Saka
Holy cruds, this thread has 3 pages already?
I think we should define the phonotactics and allowed diphthongs as well.
It looks to be (C)(C)V(C)(C) so far, I think...
as for diphthongs, I cant be bothered right now to list all used so far... maybe just allow all? And what's the phonemic inventory and orthography???
Ill make a doc tomorrow
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:01 pm
by BokaBB
I don't understand that last about Mars.
Am I too subjective and selfish?I won't be if you think I am.
Rige-Sun
Lem-Earth
Nu-Moon
Ot-Mercury
Sau-Morning Venus
Det-Evening Venus
Vena-Venus collectively
Kom-Mars
Ope-Jupiter
Dab-Saturn
Uran-Uranus
Nept-Neptune
Plut-Pluto
Rigep-Star
-p or - ep - something similar to
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:02 pm
by Moosey
Saka wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Holy cruds, this thread has 3 pages already?
I think we should define the phonotactics and allowed diphthongs as well.
It looks to be (C)(C)V(C)(C) so far, I think...
as for diphthongs, I cant be bothered right now to list all used so far... maybe just allow all? And what's the phonemic inventory and orthography???
Ill make a doc tomorrow
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please can we figure out phonotactics and phonemes and orthographi
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm
by BokaBB
Saka wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Holy cruds, this thread has 3 pages already?
I think we should define the phonotactics and allowed diphthongs as well.
It looks to be (C)(C)V(C)(C) so far, I think...
as for diphthongs, I cant be bothered right now to list all used so far... maybe just allow all? And what's the phonemic inventory and orthography???
Ill make a doc tomorrow
We used no diphtongs so far.
Can you contribute some vocabulary,please?
Me and my friend are almost constantly active and the language quickly grew.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:06 pm
by Moosey
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm
Can you contribute some vocabulary,please?
This project won't work unless we figure out phonemes, orthography, phonotactics, and so forth before making up a bunch of vocabulary.
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:12 pm
by BokaBB
Moosey wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:06 pm
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm
Can you contribute some vocabulary,please?
This project won't work unless we figure out phonemes, orthography, phonotactics, and so forth before making up a bunch of vocabulary.
Reshen.
Resheo-to understand
Resh-thought,also brain
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:14 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
Moosey wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:06 pm
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:05 pm
Can you contribute some vocabulary,please?
This project won't work unless we figure out phonemes, orthography, phonotactics, and so forth before making up a bunch of vocabulary.
Ok so how should we make long vowels?
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:16 pm
by BokaBB
I don't think we need short and long vowels since we already made words without long/short difference.
I am not sure about the additional letters.
The orthography is clear I think.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:17 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 11:42 am
Ok then
think = resheo
and wzkchem5 we're both on Mars!
Wait I'd said that -ad makes a verb out of a noun so to think is reshadeo.
Edit: I don't know how we missed this but how are we supposed to make stuff plural?
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:20 pm
by BokaBB
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:17 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 11:42 am
Ok then
think = resheo
and wzkchem5 we're both on Mars!
Wait I'd said that -ad makes a verb out of a noun so to think is reshadeo.
We replaced -ad with -eo. I don't think -ad sounds pleasant and I want the language to sound so.
Am I subjective?I won't be anymore if I am.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:28 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:20 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:17 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 11:42 am
Ok then
think = resheo
and wzkchem5 we're both on Mars!
Wait I'd said that -ad makes a verb out of a noun so to think is reshadeo.
We replaced -ad with -eo. I don't think -ad sounds pleasant and I want the language to sound so.
Am I subjective?I won't be anymore if I am.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I'm okay with -eo being infinitive but I still think we need a suffix to make a noun a verb.
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:34 pm
by Moosey
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:16 pm
The orthography is clear I think.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
????????????? You don't even define pronunciation, so the orthography is completely
unclear
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:35 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
Hey Moosey yeah we do need to figure out phonemes, orthography, phonotactics. Let me ask you something though: what number base should the language use?
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:43 pm
by BokaBB
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:28 pm
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:20 pm
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:17 pm
Wait I'd said that -ad makes a verb out of a noun so to think is reshadeo.
We replaced -ad with -eo. I don't think -ad sounds pleasant and I want the language to sound so.
Am I subjective?I won't be anymore if I am.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
I'm okay with -eo being infinitive but I still think we need a suffix to make a noun a verb.
-eo does the same job.
I will allow you to create the plural suffix.Please try to have continuity with the way the language sounds.
Everything is read phonetically,for an example a is not read ey but a.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:43 pm
I will allow you to create the plural suffix.Please try to have continuity with the way the language sounds.
Everything is read phonetically,for an example a is not read ey but a.
-ral for plural
What about ay? Is there any way to get a long a or any other long vowel?
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 12:50 pm
by BokaBB
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 12:43 pm
I will allow you to create the plural suffix.Please try to have continuity with the way the language sounds.
Everything is read phonetically,for an example a is not read ey but a.
-ral for plural
What about ay? Is there any way to get a long a or any other long vowel?
We already added a lot of vocabulary and that may be tricky to change all words to variants with long or short vowels. Making long vowels rare is also not a good idea I think.
Do you accept -al as a suffix if the word ends with a consonant?
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 1:02 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
So
long a = ey
long e = iy
long i = ay
long o = ow
long u = yuw
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 1:24 pm
by BokaBB
Schiaparelliorbust wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 1:02 pm
So
long a = ey
long e = iy
long i = ay
long o = ow
long u = yuw
No,you misunderstood. I will think if we will apply these.
A is pronounced as IPA a.
I as IPA i (English I is IPA a).
And so on.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 1:47 pm
by BokaBB
Complete orthography(I will think about some diphtongs,it will take time):
A:as a in a(article)
B:as b in beagle
C:as c in cinnabar
D:as d in donkey
E:as e in elephant
F:as f in flute
G:as g in gold
H:as h in hat
I:as i in Italy
J:absent
K:as k in king
L:as l in lion
M:as m in Mars
N:as n in now
Ng:as ng in gong
O:as o in orphan
P:as p in peak
Q: absent
R:as r in road
S:as s in Sun
Sh:as sh in shot
T:as t in time
U:as u in ukulele
V:as v in vase
W:absent
X:absent
Y:as y in you
Z:as z in zone
Zh:as Serbian Ж or as zh in Zhang(might remove it though)
This is how I planned and what is called phonetical. I might change something. Feel free to propose changes.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Re: Let's create a language!
Posted: October 9th, 2020, 2:15 pm
by Schiaparelliorbust
BokaBB wrote: ↑October 9th, 2020, 1:47 pm
Complete orthography(I will think about some diphtongs,it will take time):
A:as a in a(article)
B:as b in beagle
C:as c in cinnabar
D:as d in donkey
E:as e in elephant
F:as f in flute
G:as g in gold
H:as h in hat
I:as i in Italy
J:absent
K:as k in king
L:as l in lion
M:as m in Mars
N:as n in now
Ng:as ng in gong
O:as o in orphan
P:as p in peak
Q: absent
R:as r in road
S:as s in Sun
Sh:as sh in shot
T:as t in time
U:as u in ukulele
V:as v in vase
W:absent
X:absent
Y:as y in you
Z:as z in zone
Zh:as Serbian Ж or as zh in Zhang(might remove it though)
This is how I planned and what is called phonetical. I might change something. Feel free to propose changes.
Have a good day!
BokaBB
Some questions:
Why are some sounds omitted?
Is the last sound ch as in cheese?
Other than diphthongs are these the only sounds?
Is c always pronounced like in cinnbar?
Is there a way to make a short u?
Also, I think the diphthongs should be au, ai, oi, ao, oa, and ei.