Let's create a language!

[BokaBB]

Still,I was trying to make language not a mess and to make everything related. You were against that principle and I had denied.

I don't see how my verb system is "a mess" or how much of anything is related in this language.

Please focus on the tonal language now,we need to build many basics.

Okay.

I am doing everything to make them related.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

I don't get it.

[BokaBB]

I don't get it.

The explanation is too complex. I will try to say you that later.
Feel free to do anything at my threads until I back.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

Feel free to do anything at my threads until I back.

BokaBB gyakil pes ret, gonom Komal aken ko Komal. Pes eu, zad malus gonom Komal.

[BokaBB]

Feel free to do anything at my threads until I back.

BokaBB gyakil pes ret, gonom Komal aken ko Komal. Pes eu, zad malus gonom Komal.

Ngong ge reshen.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

BokaBB lerutat. Sala males Inlish.

[BokaBB]

BokaBB lerutat. Sala males Inlish.

Lerk - should
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

I have an interesting idea:we should make old Komal,a more ancient version that will be way more different than Komal.
We shall make a new subsheet with old Komal in 4 phases labeled from 1 to 4 for various age:1 is the oldest and 4 the youngest. The fifth column shall be the today's Komal and the sixth the transcription.
I will allow you to make old Komals with whatever level of creativity you wish.
We also should make a new subsheet with personal names of the Komalunral people. There should be two columns with male and female names as well as for the last names.
A last name suffix would be interesting. In Serbian almost all last names end with -ић, including my one. In some other languages the last name suffix is different with gender,but not in our -ић last names (altrough there are rarer ones that differ with gender). I wish the one in Komal to be the Serbian type.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

I have an interesting idea:we should make old Komal,a more ancient version that will be way more different than Komal.
We shall make a new subsheet with old Komal in 4 phases labeled from 1 to 4 for various age:1 is the oldest and 4 the youngest. The fifth column shall be the today's Komal and the sixth the transcription.
I will allow you to make old Komals with whatever level of creativity you wish.
We also should make a new subsheet with personal names of the Komalunral people. There should be two columns with male and female names as well as for the last names.
A last name suffix would be interesting. In Serbian almost all last names end with -ић, including my one. In some other languages the last name suffix is different with gender,but not in our -ић last names (altrough there are rarer ones that differ with gender). I wish the one in Komal to be the Serbian type.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Making and old version of a language would be hard. Do you want etymology? If you do, then older versions should have fewer words. I like the idea of names, I've been thinking about that myself. Conlangs are made without culture, so adding it in could be interesting. Does -ић mean "son of"? We have -oğlu in Turkish, though there are many surnames without it.

[BokaBB]

I have an interesting idea:we should make old Komal,a more ancient version that will be way more different than Komal.
We shall make a new subsheet with old Komal in 4 phases labeled from 1 to 4 for various age:1 is the oldest and 4 the youngest. The fifth column shall be the today's Komal and the sixth the transcription.
I will allow you to make old Komals with whatever level of creativity you wish.
We also should make a new subsheet with personal names of the Komalunral people. There should be two columns with male and female names as well as for the last names.
A last name suffix would be interesting. In Serbian almost all last names end with -ић, including my one. In some other languages the last name suffix is different with gender,but not in our -ић last names (altrough there are rarer ones that differ with gender). I wish the one in Komal to be the Serbian type.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Making and old version of a language would be hard. Do you want etymology? If you do, then older versions should have fewer words. I like the idea of names, I've been thinking about that myself. Conlangs are made without culture, so adding it in could be interesting. Does -ић mean "son of"? We have -oğlu in Turkish, though there are many surnames without it.

Son is син in Serbian,but I am pretty sure -ић means ,,the descendant of",that is similar. For an example those with the last name Јовановић probably had an ancestor called Јован (John). There are some last names that have no connection with any name, however, altrough they are rather rare.
Most rare surnames are imposed by Bulgarian rule during World War I. I can say for sure -ов. However,I am not sure about -ски,more typical for Macedonians for us. There is also a very small minority of people which surnames can also be used as names, altrough they are rather super rare.
Older versions of the languages usually tend to be more complex than their modern versions since people over time removed hard sounds and grammar parts. Since I know some Russian,I know that you can't use гы (please find an IPA value of ы for me)together, altrough you could in Old Slavic. That combination along with a few more was too hard to pronounce and people changed ы to и.
I think old Komal also should be more complex. You can be free to do anything there,I won't interfere in ANY way.
Many personal names have meanings, altrough there are also lots of these without the clear one (or at least not yet known). I would like to see most,if not all, Komal names have some meaning.
You can also invent new names from the same root. For an example in Serbian we have a female name Зора, literally meaning ,,Dawn". You can invent things like Зорица,Зорка,Зорана etc. from it,as well as the male variant Зоран. All female names I know of (except maybe something like Зорче, altrough I, personally don't believe much ladies are named like that)end with -а,while male names can end with any letter, altrough there are relatively few ending with -а. Should Komal have a similar system?
Also, should Komalunral have middle names?In Serbia we have no tradition of giving them,but some people like Englishmen do.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

I already made one of those a while ago.

If you are talking about your phonotactics,I will see if we can use something. I will try to use some as a kind of sorry.
Do you forgive me?
Also,can you repost the spreadsheet?I cannot now.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1126530732

Just making spreadsheet closer.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

You are wanted here right now!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

You are wanted here right now!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I am here. What should I do?

[BokaBB]

You are wanted here right now!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I am here. What should I do?

Read my big message above and give thoughts.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

You are wanted here right now!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

I am here. What should I do?

Read my big message above and give thoughts.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

In English at least most first names don't have meaning or have very obscure ones (the words used to have meaning but are now only really used as names). There are names that are known words of course (Hazel, Tulip, Christian, Hunter etc.). In Turkish most first names have meaning. Though we don't have variations for names based on gender (Michel - Michelle, Alexander - Alexandra etc.). Do you want that? I know you actually asked me that, but I'm asking it to you. Surnames could have meanings other than kinship like Newman or Smith. Middle names can exist as a second names that people can use, though they shouldn't be mandatory.

[BokaBB]

I am here. What should I do?

Read my big message above and give thoughts.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

In English at least most first names don't have meaning or have very obscure ones (the words used to have meaning but are now only really used as names). There are names that are known words of course (Hazel, Tulip, Christian, Hunter etc.). In Turkish most first names have meaning. Though we don't have variations for names based on gender (Michel - Michelle, Alexander - Alexandra etc.). Do you want that? I know you actually asked me that, but I'm asking it to you. Surnames could have meanings other than kinship like Newman or Smith. Middle names can exist as a second names that people can use, though they shouldn't be mandatory.

Don't know, let's discuss a bit.
I am personally very much a supporter of the gender variations.
About the names with obscure meaning,I suggest focusing on the old Komal for at least a day. We should make 4 old versions,with the version 1 being the most archaic and 4 only slightly different than today's Komal.
We may make some names with obscure meanings then.
I invite you to play Word Chains In Komal!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

Read my big message above and give thoughts.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

In English at least most first names don't have meaning or have very obscure ones (the words used to have meaning but are now only really used as names). There are names that are known words of course (Hazel, Tulip, Christian, Hunter etc.). In Turkish most first names have meaning. Though we don't have variations for names based on gender (Michel - Michelle, Alexander - Alexandra etc.). Do you want that? I know you actually asked me that, but I'm asking it to you. Surnames could have meanings other than kinship like Newman or Smith. Middle names can exist as a second names that people can use, though they shouldn't be mandatory.

Don't know, let's discuss a bit.
I am personally very much a supporter of the gender variations.
About the names with obscure meaning,I suggest focusing on the old Komal for at least a day. We should make 4 old versions,with the version 1 being the most archaic and 4 only slightly different than today's Komal.
We may make some names with obscure meanings then.
I invite you to play Word Chains In Komal!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[Schiaparelliorbust]

Don't know, let's discuss a bit.
I am personally very much a supporter of the gender variations.
About the names with obscure meaning,I suggest focusing on the old Komal for at least a day. We should make 4 old versions,with the version 1 being the most archaic and 4 only slightly different than today's Komal.
We may make some names with obscure meanings then.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Names in regular Komal could be words in Old Komal that have lost their meaning over time.

[BokaBB]

Don't know, let's discuss a bit.
I am personally very much a supporter of the gender variations.
About the names with obscure meaning,I suggest focusing on the old Komal for at least a day. We should make 4 old versions,with the version 1 being the most archaic and 4 only slightly different than today's Komal.
We may make some names with obscure meanings then.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Names in regular Komal could be words in Old Komal that have lost their meaning over time.

Yes, altrough at least some must be meaningful now.
Let's start making old Komal!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[BokaBB]

Don't know, let's discuss a bit.
I am personally very much a supporter of the gender variations.
About the names with obscure meaning,I suggest focusing on the old Komal for at least a day. We should make 4 old versions,with the version 1 being the most archaic and 4 only slightly different than today's Komal.
We may make some names with obscure meanings then.
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

Names in regular Komal could be words in Old Komal that have lost their meaning over time.

Yes, altrough at least some must be meaningful now.
Let's start making old Komal!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

Do you have any ideas for old Komal?

[BokaBB]

Do you have any ideas for old Komal?

It should be way more complex than today's one.
I ask you if you can create a new subsheet with old Komal. We should make 4 old Komals, number 1 is the most archaic and the number 4 is only a little different than today's one.
We shall make that some sounds changed if they were hard to pronounce somewhere.
Please also make a subsheet with names.
Let's begin with making archaic -eo,the Komal's most famous affix. I suggest -yon or something like that. We must make that some kind of voice change occured and to determine will in will be in the old Komal 1,2,3 or 4.
I made a version of Word Chains in Komal! Please play it!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

Maybe it could be -ezo, and the /z/ disappears at some point. However, adding a phonological history to Komal will probably result in a lot of words changing to be compatible with the evolved phonology.

[BokaBB]

Maybe it could be -ezo, and the /z/ disappears at some point. However, adding a phonological history to Komal will probably result in a lot of words changing to be compatible with the evolved phonology.

Because of that,we must work hard to keep modern Komal unchanged. No words in modern Komal are allowed to be made until we make old Komals completely.
Please don't go anywhere for at least twenty minutes,I want to have long talks here.
Please also send messages from me to Hunting. I can't in this moment.
Please see Word Chains In Komal!
Elkeo beo rigeu!

BokaBB

[fluffykitty]

Because of that,we must work hard to keep modern Komal unchanged. No words in modern Komal are allowed to be made until we make old Komals completely.

I really doubt that you can both keep the current forms of all Komal words and have a nontrivial phonological history.

Please see Word Chains In Komal!

Okay