Let's create a language with few phonemes!

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:23 am
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 5:08 am
Okay. We would need some diacritics then, however (Or not?).
The language's phonology is simple enough that we could also use alternate characters for stressed nuclei (eg í->e, ḿ->n or something like that), or just use uppercase letters.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 5:08 am
Let's make our number system. I want it to be base - 5, minuscule as the phonetics of our language.
I think we should use base 6 since it's nicer in a bunch of ways. Look up "seximal" if you want to know more.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 5:08 am
M? You think about it as a negative?I guess it should be a preffix or something. However,we should make this language based more on particles than affixes I think.
If it's a prefix then we might have ambiguity between words beginning with /m/ and other words with an <m-> prefix. And yeah, using mostly particles is probably a good idea.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 5:08 am
Our nouns and verbs will likely be simple,but I want an element of complexity somewhere. What do you propose?
Maybe we could use particles and auxiliary verbs to make a detailed verb system.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 5:08 am
There is a website called Fonstruct, you can make a custom script there, altrough it is not a priority now.
Since this language has so few syllables, we should probably use a syllabary for it. What do you think the symbols should look like?
I agree with the first and will think about the second.
Okay, m will be a particle.
I am not entirely certain how good are syllabary - making options in Fontstruct,but we may use letters to symbolize them instead. I think they should fairly similar to our alphabets but with less curves.
K (Or k if we decide to use uppercase and the lowercase system,or maybe still K?)will be positive (when that is needed) and yes,do you agree?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 1st, 2021, 10:52 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:53 am
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:45 am
Maybe we can say 1 (proposal:mi) ki as I and many (proposal:mkik or kmik) ki as we?
<mi> "one" and <kmik> "many" sound good.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:45 am
Please tell me more about stress.
Stress is when you emphasize a particular syllable of a word, like in emphásize or partícular. If we use it in this language, then we can have words which only differ in the location of the stress (like English convíct/cónvict) so we can have shorter words.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:52 am
A spreadsheet is needed now.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

We could also have <-i> "-ing" (eg <iki> "going") and <i> "be" (so < ki i iki> "I am going"). We could indicate future tense using <ik> as in <ki ik iki> "I am going to go". Also, where should <m> go in a sentence? English usually puts its negations next to the verb, but we don't have to do it like that.
Just making the spreadsheet closer.
I think that all particles before the word should be fused into one word.
What do you think?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 1st, 2021, 4:28 pm

BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
Okay, m will be a particle.
Okay.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
I am not entirely certain how good are syllabary - making options in Fontstruct,but we may use letters to symbolize them instead. I think they should fairly similar to our alphabets but with less curves.
Maybe.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
K (Or k if we decide to use uppercase and the lowercase system,or maybe still K?)will be positive (when that is needed) and yes,do you agree?
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a syllabic stop like that. Maybe something like <ki ik ki i> "I go I am"?
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
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I'll take a look at it.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 10:52 am
I think that all particles before the word should be fused into one word.
What do you think?
That seems like it could cause conflicts with words in some situations.

Don't forget to make new words. Maybe <kim> "in/inside/into/at", <mkim> "out/outside/out of/from"? Also, <ikm> doesn't really make sense for referring to non-people, so maybe <im> "thing/it"? We could use these for stuff like <ki ik kim> "I go in", or a past tense like <mki i mkim ii kim ki> "you were here".

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 1st, 2021, 4:37 pm

fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:28 pm
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
Okay, m will be a particle.
Okay.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
I am not entirely certain how good are syllabary - making options in Fontstruct,but we may use letters to symbolize them instead. I think they should fairly similar to our alphabets but with less curves.
Maybe.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
K (Or k if we decide to use uppercase and the lowercase system,or maybe still K?)will be positive (when that is needed) and yes,do you agree?
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a syllabic stop like that. Maybe something like <ki ik ki i> "I go I am"?
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 6:50 am
Please see my new board game!
I'll take a look at it.
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 10:52 am
I think that all particles before the word should be fused into one word.
What do you think?
That seems like it could cause conflicts with words in some situations.

Don't forget to make new words. Maybe <kim> "in/inside/into/at", <mkim> "out/outside/out of/from"? Also, <ikm> doesn't really make sense for referring to non-people, so maybe <im> "thing/it"? We could use these for stuff like <ki ik kim> "I go in", or a past tense like <mki i mkim ii kim ki> "you were here".
I agree with most things.
Would stress change our phonotactics in any way?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 1st, 2021, 4:50 pm

BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:37 pm
I agree with most things.
Would stress change our phonotactics in any way?
I don't think so.
fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:28 pm
Don't forget to make new words.
<miki> "belong", <mikii> "of (possessive)" <mikim> "mine/yours/'s/etc (based on following noun)", <kimk> "grow", <kimkm> "plant (noun)". For example, <kimkm mikii mki kimk> "your plant grows".

Also, I don't really like the rule for [ts] anymore. Should we remove it (and the [n] rule since that's no longer possible)? I still like the other allophony rules though.

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:50 pm
BokaBB wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:37 pm
I agree with most things.
Would stress change our phonotactics in any way?
I don't think so.
fluffykitty wrote:
February 1st, 2021, 4:28 pm
Don't forget to make new words.
<miki> "belong", <mikii> "of (possessive)" <mikim> "mine/yours/'s/etc (based on following noun)", <kimk> "grow", <kimkm> "plant (noun)". For example, <kimkm mikii mki kimk> "your plant grows".

Also, I don't really like the rule for [ts] anymore. Should we remove it (and the [n] rule since that's no longer possible)? I still like the other allophony rules though.
Yes, let's remove these allophonies.
Mik - man
mik - boy
Kik - woman
kik - girl
mikkik - child
-kmi - adjective suffix
kMik - human being in general
Do we already have a plural marker?If not, please propose one.
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 3rd, 2021, 7:24 am

BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Yes, let's remove these allophonies.
Okay, the [ts] and [n] rules no longer apply.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Mik - man
mik - boy
You can't do stress contrasts on single-syllable words. Is <ḿik> a two-syllable word?
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Kik - woman
kik - girl
We probably shouldn't have stress on <k>s.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
mikkik - child
-kmi - adjective suffix
These seem fine.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
kMik - human being in general
<ikm> already means "person".
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Do we already have a plural marker?If not, please propose one.
You already posted <kmik> "many".

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:24 am
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Yes, let's remove these allophonies.
Okay, the [ts] and [n] rules no longer apply.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Mik - man
mik - boy
You can't do stress contrasts on single-syllable words. Is <ḿik> a two-syllable word?
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Kik - woman
kik - girl
We probably shouldn't have stress on <k>s.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
mikkik - child
-kmi - adjective suffix
These seem fine.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
kMik - human being in general
<ikm> already means "person".
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 5:39 am
Do we already have a plural marker?If not, please propose one.
You already posted <kmik> "many".
Oum,sorry for that kMik part, remove it.
I didn't knew that about stress. I thought of it in a more Klingon - like style for some reason.
This language should likely have many words that are used for multiple things. Agree?
I don't support the existence of articles.
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 3rd, 2021, 4:34 pm

BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
Oum,sorry for that kMik part, remove it.
I didn't knew that about stress. I thought of it in a more Klingon - like style for some reason.
Okay.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
This language should likely have many words that are used for multiple things. Agree?
Yep.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
I don't support the existence of articles.
Those would probably take up useful short words anyway.

<mim> "myself/yourself/etc", <mimki> "eat/drink".

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 3rd, 2021, 5:16 pm

fluffykitty wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 4:34 pm
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
Oum,sorry for that kMik part, remove it.
I didn't knew that about stress. I thought of it in a more Klingon - like style for some reason.
Okay.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
This language should likely have many words that are used for multiple things. Agree?
Yep.
BokaBB wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 7:29 am
I don't support the existence of articles.
Those would probably take up useful short words anyway.

<mim> "myself/yourself/etc", <mimki> "eat/drink".
Thanks.
We need a system for describing language - common words (democracy,computer,rebus) using only our 3 sounds. For an example I would transcribe democracy as kimikmiki. That one wasn't based on any consonant groups but just by feeling.
What do you think?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 3rd, 2021, 8:13 pm

I don't think we need any sort of rigorous loanword rules. Also, we need more grammar. Any ideas?

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 7th, 2021, 4:03 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 3rd, 2021, 8:13 pm
I don't think we need any sort of rigorous loanword rules. Also, we need more grammar. Any ideas?
I haven't forgot about this language,just had no time.
Hmmmmm,we may try to make a verb system?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 7th, 2021, 4:05 am

Okay. I already proposed a past tense using <i mkim> "be from" and a future tense using <ik> "go". Any other ideas?

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 7th, 2021, 4:08 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 7th, 2021, 4:05 am
Okay. I already proposed a past tense using <i mkim> "be from" and a future tense using <ik> "go". Any other ideas?
Evidentiality?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 7th, 2021, 4:57 am

How do you think that would work?

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 7th, 2021, 5:06 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 7th, 2021, 4:57 am
How do you think that would work?
Particles?
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by fluffykitty » February 7th, 2021, 5:55 am

Anything more specific than that?

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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by BokaBB » February 16th, 2021, 11:15 am

fluffykitty wrote:
February 7th, 2021, 5:55 am
Anything more specific than that?
No idea. Please be here anyway.
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Re: Let's create a language with few phonemes!

Post by Hunting » February 20th, 2021, 7:51 am

fluffykitty wrote:
January 30th, 2021, 5:41 pm
If your language doesn't have very many phonemes, then it's possible to write entire syllables with single characters (like in Chinese except not a nightmare to learn)
Well, Chinese people feel English is a nightmare to learn.

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