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Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 10:42 am
by C_R_116
hotdogPi wrote: ↑
November 8th, 2023, 10:37 am
C_R_116 wrote: ↑
November 8th, 2023, 10:35 am
 Try to solve:

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$o$o$o2bo$b2obo$5b2o!

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$bo2bobob2obo$obobobobob2o$bo2bobo$4bo2bo$5b2obobo$7bob2o$7bo$6b2o
!

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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$bo2bo4bo$obobo2b3o$bo2bobo$4bo2bo$5b2obobo$6bo2b2o$4bobo$4b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 12:39 pm
by rutabaga

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x = 5, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
o2b2o$3bo$2o$o$4bo$3b2o$bo$2o2bo!
This one shouldn't be terribly hard.

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 6:01 pm
by squareroot12621
It isn't (+34):

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x = 15, y = 10, rule = LifeHistory
4.C$3.C.A2.2A$3.C.C2.A2.C.2C$2.2C.2A.C.2C.2C$3.C.A2.C2.C$3.C2.C2.A.C$
2C.2C.C.2A.2C$2C.C2.A2.C.C$5.2A2.A.C$10.C!
Next:

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x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
.2A$A.A2$4A$4.A$4.A!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 11:09 pm
by Haycat2009
squareroot12621 wrote: ↑
November 8th, 2023, 6:01 pm
 It isn't (+34):

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x = 15, y = 10, rule = LifeHistory
4.C$3.C.A2.2A$3.C.C2.A2.C.2C$2.2C.2A.C.2C.2C$3.C.A2.C2.C$3.C2.C2.A.C$
2C.2C.C.2A.2C$2C.C2.A2.C.C$5.2A2.A.C$10.C!
Next:

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x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
.2A$A.A2$4A$4.A$4.A!
+ 10 cells

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x = 9, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2ob2o$bobobo2bo$o6b2o$b4o$5bo$3bobo$3b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 13th, 2023, 10:50 am
by rutabaga
I got this which was only +9 I think.

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x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bobo$o$b5o$5bo$b2o2bobo$b2o3b2o!

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x = 10, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
6$6bo$5bobo2$5bobo$4bo3bo$5bobo2$5bobo$8bo$4b2ob2o2$5bo$4bo3bo2$6bo2$
5bobo!
how about this blinker predecessor

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 13th, 2023, 2:56 pm
by C_R_116
rutabaga wrote: ↑
November 13th, 2023, 10:50 am

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x = 10, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
6$6bo$5bobo2$5bobo$4bo3bo$5bobo2$5bobo$8bo$4b2ob2o2$5bo$4bo3bo2$6bo2$
5bobo!
how about this blinker predecessor

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x = 5, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$bobo$2ob2o$o3bo$bobo$2ob2o$bobo$bo2bo$2ob2o$bo$bob2o$2ob2o2$
5o$o3bo$b3o2$b2obo$bob2o!
One that turns into a beehive:

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$6bo$obobo2$bobobo!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 14th, 2023, 8:17 am
by rutabaga
C_R_116 wrote: ↑
November 13th, 2023, 2:56 pm
rutabaga wrote: ↑
November 13th, 2023, 10:50 am

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x = 10, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
6$6bo$5bobo2$5bobo$4bo3bo$5bobo2$5bobo$8bo$4b2ob2o2$5bo$4bo3bo2$6bo2$
5bobo!
how about this blinker predecessor

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x = 5, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$bobo$2ob2o$o3bo$bobo$2ob2o$bobo$bo2bo$2ob2o$bo$bob2o$2ob2o2$
5o$o3bo$b3o2$b2obo$bob2o!
One that turns into a beehive:

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$6bo$obobo2$bobobo!
Intended solution for mine:

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x = 5, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$bobo$2ob2o$o3bo$b3o2$b3o$o3bo$2ob2o2$5o$o3bo$2bo$b3o$o3bo$2o
b2o!
My solution for yours (I'm tired ok)

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
4bo$4b3o$bo5bo$b6o2$b6o$o2bo2bo$2o!

.

Here's the next one, it's not too many cells but it's a little harder than the previous ones I put.

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x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7b2o3$5bo$5bo$o6b3o$4bo2bo$5b2o2$9bo2$6b2o$2bo!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 14th, 2023, 5:25 pm
by get_Snacked
i think you forgot that it doesn't have to be a strict still life:

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x = 12, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
7bo2bo$7b4o2$7b2o$6bob3o$6bo4bo$2o3b2ob3o$2o3bo2bo$6b2o$10b2o$10b2o2$
7b2o$3b2o2b2o$3b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 15th, 2023, 11:54 am
by rutabaga
get_Snacked wrote: ↑
November 14th, 2023, 5:25 pm
 i think you forgot that it doesn't have to be a strict still life:

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x = 12, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
7bo2bo$7b4o2$7b2o$6bob3o$6bo4bo$2o3b2ob3o$2o3bo2bo$6b2o$10b2o$10b2o2$
7b2o$3b2o2b2o$3b2o!
sorry, i didn't know that was allowed lol

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 16th, 2023, 8:09 am
by rutabaga
can anyone try to find the strict still life solution for it? (there are at least two solutions)

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 17th, 2023, 9:42 am
by Antonin Duda
rutabaga wrote: ↑
November 14th, 2023, 8:17 am
.

Here's the next one, it's not too many cells but it's a little harder than the previous ones I put.

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x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7b2o3$5bo$5bo$o6b3o$4bo2bo$5b2o2$9bo2$6b2o$2bo!
34 cells (Any way it can be improved?)

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeSuper
5.2C.2A$6.C.C$6.C.C$3.2C.A.3C$3.C2.A4.C$CA.C.2C.3A$C.2C.A2.A$6.2A$10.
2C$4.4C2.A$4.C3.C.C$2.C.C2.2A.2C$2.CA!
A better solution (27 cells)

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x = 11, y = 13, rule = LifeSuper
7.2A$8.C$6.C$2.2C.A.4C$C2.C.A4.C$AC3.C.3A$4.A2.A$5.2A$9.2C$3.4C2.A$3.
C3.C.C$.C.C2.2A.2C$.CA!
next:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$9bo3$2o$ob2o$4bo$4b2o$6bo2$4bo!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 17th, 2023, 11:59 am
by rutabaga
Antonin Duda wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2023, 9:42 am
rutabaga wrote: ↑
November 14th, 2023, 8:17 am
.

Here's the next one, it's not too many cells but it's a little harder than the previous ones I put.

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x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7b2o3$5bo$5bo$o6b3o$4bo2bo$5b2o2$9bo2$6b2o$2bo!
34 cells (Any way it can be improved?)

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeSuper
5.2C.2A$6.C.C$6.C.C$3.2C.A.3C$3.C2.A4.C$CA.C.2C.3A$C.2C.A2.A$6.2A$10.
2C$4.4C2.A$4.C3.C.C$2.C.C2.2A.2C$2.CA!
next:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$9bo3$2o$ob2o$4bo$4b2o$6bo2$4bo!

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$2b2o2b2obobo$2bo4bobo$4bo2bob2o$3b4o$2o$ob2o2b3o$4bo2bobo$4b2o3b
o$6b3o$4b2o$4bo2b2o$5b2obo!
+31

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 17th, 2023, 8:29 pm
by squareroot12621
+30:

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
6.2C.2A$A6.A.CA$3A.A2.A$3.5A$2C$C.2C2.2A$4.C2.A$4.2C$6.C3A$2.3A.A2.A$
.A2.CA$.2A!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 18th, 2023, 12:59 am
by get_Snacked
+29:

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x = 10, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b2o3b2obo$o2bo2bob2o$3obobo$4bo2b3o$2obob2o2bo$ob2o2bo$4bo$4b2o$6bo$2b
3obo$bo2b2o$b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 18th, 2023, 7:14 am
by squareroot12621
+17 (if pseudo still lives aren't allowed, convert the block to a table for +19):

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x = 11, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
6.2C.2A$2.2A3.A.CA$3.A2.A$3.A.A$2C.A.2A$C.2C2.A$4.C$4.2C$6.C$3.A.A$3.
AC!
Edit: +16/+18:

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x = 11, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
6.2C.2A$4.A2.A.CA$3.A.2A$3.A$2C.A.2A$C.2C2.A$4.C$4.2C$6.C$3.A.A$3.AC!
Edit 2: +16/+16:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
6.2C.A$2.2A.A2.AC$3.A.2A$3.A$2C.A.2A$C.2C2.A$4.C$4.2C$6.C$3.A.A$3.AC!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 18th, 2023, 9:57 am
by HerscheltheHerschel
Try to find a strict still life for this (yes, all of them combined in the same position as shown below):

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x = 2, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bo$bo$2o2$2o$bo$bo$bo$bo$2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: November 18th, 2023, 10:20 am
by b-engine
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2023, 9:57 am
 Try to find a strict still life for this (yes, all of them combined in the same position as shown below):

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x = 2, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bo$bo$2o2$2o$bo$bo$bo$bo$2o!
Trying to stabilize it then end up with this thing:

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x = 10, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2obobo2bo$bobobobobo$o2bobo2bo$2o2b2o2$4b2o$2obobo$2obobob2o$3bo
bob2o$3bobo$4b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: December 2nd, 2023, 12:24 pm
by get_Snacked
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2023, 9:57 am
 Try to find a strict still life for this (yes, all of them combined in the same position as shown below):

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x = 2, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bo$bo$2o2$2o$bo$bo$bo$bo$2o!
solved:

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x = 9, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
2A$A2.2C$.2A.C2.A$2.A.C.A.A$A3.C2.A$3A2C2$3A2C$A3.C$2.A.C.2A$.2A.C.2A
$.A2.C$3.2C!
next:

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x = 19, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
o$2bo$4bo$6bo$8bo$10bo$12bo$14bo$16bo$18bo!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: December 2nd, 2023, 1:12 pm
by HerscheltheHerschel
get_Snacked wrote: ↑
December 2nd, 2023, 12:24 pm
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑
November 18th, 2023, 9:57 am
 Try to find a strict still life for this (yes, all of them combined in the same position as shown below):

Code: Select all

x = 2, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bo$bo$2o2$2o$bo$bo$bo$bo$2o!
solved:

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x = 9, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
2A$A2.2C$.2A.C2.A$2.A.C.A.A$A3.C2.A$3A2C2$3A2C$A3.C$2.A.C.2A$.2A.C.2A
$.A2.C$3.2C!
the solution you made for mine can be made smaller:

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x = 10, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
4.2C$5.C2.A$2A3.C.A.A$A2.A.C2.A$.2A.2C$2.A$2.A.2C$3.A.C$5.C.2A$5.C.2A
$3.A.C$2.A.2C$2.A$.2A!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: December 2nd, 2023, 8:15 pm
by EvinZL
HerscheltheHerschel wrote: ↑
December 2nd, 2023, 1:12 pm
 the solution you made for mine can be made smaller:

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x = 10, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
4.2C$5.C2.A$2A3.C.A.A$A2.A.C2.A$.2A.2C$2.A$2.A.2C$3.A.C$5.C.2A$5.C.2A
$3.A.C$2.A.2C$2.A$.2A!
even smaller

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x = 9, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
.A.2C$.2A.C2.A$4.C.A.A$4.C2.A$3.2C$2.A$3.2C$4.C$4.C.2A$.2A.C.2A$.A2.C
$3.2C!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: December 16th, 2023, 7:56 am
by Entity Valkyrie 2
Next:

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x = 5, y = 2, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$obobo!
…and before you start screaming “Coolout conjecture”…
Wyirm wrote: ↑
January 25th, 2022, 9:37 pm
 oscillators CAN be used

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: February 29th, 2024, 6:44 pm
by get_Snacked
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote: ↑
December 16th, 2023, 7:56 am
 Next:

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x = 5, y = 2, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$obobo!
…and before you start screaming “Coolout conjecture”…
Wyirm wrote: ↑
January 25th, 2022, 9:37 pm
 oscillators CAN be used
+13:

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
2A3.2A$.A.A.A$.2C.2C$.C.C.C$2A3.2A!
next:

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x = 1, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
o29$o!
EDIT: solution must be strict

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: March 1st, 2024, 4:59 am
by b-engine
This is what I could do:

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x = 7, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bo2bo$2obob2o$2obo$3bo$3bob2o$2b2obo$3bobo$3bob2o$2b2obo$3bobo$
3bob2o$2b2o$3bo$3bob2o$2b2ob2o$3bo$3bo$2b2ob2o$3bob2o$3bo$2b2o$3bob2o
$3bob2o$2b2o$3bo$3bob2o$2obob2o$o2bo$2b2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: March 1st, 2024, 9:21 am
by hotdogPi
42 cells

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x = 19, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo$3bo$4bo$5bo$6bo$7bo$8bo$9bo$10bo$11bo$12bo$13bo$14bo2b2o$15bo2b
o$14b2obo$15bob2o$14bo$13bo$12bo$11bo$10bo$9bo$8bo$7bo$6bo$5bo$4bo$3bo
$obo$2o!

Re: Deduction coils (game)

Posted: March 1st, 2024, 9:27 am
by b-engine
37:

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x = 15, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
CA$A.A$3.A$4.A$5.A$6.A$7.A$8.A$9.A$10.A$11.A$12.A$13.A$14.A$13.2A$12.
A$13.2A$14.A$13.A$12.A$11.A$10.A$9.A$8.A$7.A$6.A$5.A$4.A$3.A$C.A$2A!
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