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[BTS-fan]

The ophtlamtologist (?) called again. I have to leave soon.
Also, I've got difficulties with DNA.

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RNJPY

(?): I'm not sure how to spell it.

New edit: 「Joe biden」の誕生日はcoming soonです。しかし、私はその人をlikeしません。その人はアウト-スポウケンではありません。
TV day is the following day.

Another edit: fixed grammar

[confocaloid]

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On the same topic, EvinZL made this user page earlier today.
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I thought it would be more reasonable to leave the effort of describing/presenting someone else's ideas to someone else, no?

Linking to someone's (possibly incomplete) recently made page in this way looks like you're trying to "manage" them and their ideas. Please don't do things like that.

[GUYTU6J]

I was just told this morning that a moderator have "asked [you] to stop responding to [my] posts and LifeWiki edits for a while". Now I am not believing that it worked.

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On the same topic, EvinZL made this user page earlier today.
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I thought it would be more reasonable to leave the effort of describing/presenting someone else's ideas to someone else, no?

Linking to someone's (possibly incomplete) recently made page in this way looks like you're trying to "manage" them and their ideas. Please don't do things like that.

I see the published LifeWiki user page, I am in favor of the author's idea, I build my opinion based on it and then I just make a post with proper attribution. Did I steal their creation by claiming that it is mine? No. Did I distort their thoughts in a malicious manner? No. Did I violate other copyright rules? No. I have never heard about any academic integrity restrictions that prohibits citing published but incomplete ideas. Certainly you can ask others not to use your public incomplete idea, but I see that as a special case and not a general assumption. You can instead just develop the idea to maturity and not describe/present it until you feel it is safe.

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Scolding someone's (possibly primitive) recently made post in this way looks like you're trying to "manage" them and their ideas. Please don't do things like that.

[confocaloid]

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... I have never heard about any academic integrity restrictions that prohibits citing published but incomplete ideas. ...
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At least, you did understand that this is related to academic integrity, and you did acknowledge that you understand this.

Explicit is better than implicit.

[GUYTU6J]

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... I have never heard about any academic integrity restrictions that prohibits citing published but incomplete ideas. ...
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At least, you did understand that this is related to academic integrity, and you did acknowledge that you understand this.

Explicit is better than implicit.

Yes, explicit is better than implicit. Explicitly speaking, what is your issue and what do you think should be done instead?

[confocaloid]

Yes, explicit is better than implicit. Explicitly speaking, what is your issue and what do you think should be done instead?

In this case, you could probably give someone else chance to present their ideas separately from your ideas.

Saying "On the same topic" and "a further step" mixes two different things:
* something from a recently created page in someone else's userspace,
* your thoughts about the topic.

"On the same topic" and "a further step" also may or may not be an incorrect interpretation of someone's ideas.

[GUYTU6J]

Yes, explicit is better than implicit. Explicitly speaking, what is your issue and what do you think should be done instead?

In this case, you could probably give someone else chance to present their ideas separately from your ideas.

You are phrasing as if my temporally/chronologically earlier post has deprived their chance to present their ideas, which is false. There is no action that I did that physically or mentally inhibited them from making the LifeWiki page at the beginning, or crossposting the content to forums thread later. Or should I think LifeWiki page as not a presentation?

Saying "On the same topic" and "a further step" mixes two different things:
* something from a recently created page in someone else's userspace,
* your thoughts about the topic.

How so, semantically? I understand that there is a shared focus between thoughts of the thread, thoughts of the LifeWiki page and thoughts of myself, so me saying "on the same topic" is at least reasonable to myself. There is also undoubtly distinct elements in the latter two thoughts, so me saying "a further step" is valid.

"On the same topic" and "a further step" also may or may not be an incorrect interpretation of someone's ideas.

Before the author speaks, how can anyone else determine what is correct interpretation and what is not?

[confocaloid]

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I think it's much simpler than all that.

Just because something is not formally "prohibited"/"not recommended", does not mean it's a good idea to do that.

You could give them some chance and some time to present their ideas in some way, as they see reasonable. It is possible that they would do that -- or it is possible that they would not do that and leave that page as is -- no way to know for sure.

You could make an attempt to more clearly separate your thoughts from someone else's thoughts.

You did what you did. WKWYD

[GUYTU6J]

You could give them some chance and some time to present their ideas in some way, as they see reasonable. It is possible that they would do that -- or it is possible that they would not do that and leave that page as is -- no way to know for sure.

And meanwhile nobody else is not allowed to use that publicly viewable content? This is a nontrivial restriction.

You could make an attempt to more clearly separate your thoughts from someone else's thoughts.

Give me an example of phrasing that counts as "attempt to clearly separate". This chain of conversation could have ended much earlier if you had explicitly tossed this example out at the beginning.

You did what you did. WKWYD

Is that a threat?

[confocaloid]

You could give them some chance and some time to present their ideas in some way, as they see reasonable. It is possible that they would do that -- or it is possible that they would not do that and leave that page as is -- no way to know for sure.

And meanwhile nobody else is not allowed to use that publicly viewable content? This is a nontrivial restriction.

You can do multiple different things with someone's work.
You can simply refer to someone's ideas, without attempting to "use" them in any particular specific way.
You can try to describe someone's work on it's own, if it's something more or less complete and you understand what it is all about.

The talk about "restrictions" is a distraction. Just because there is no formal restriction saying "do not do that", does not mean it's a good idea to do that.

You could make an attempt to more clearly separate your thoughts from someone else's thoughts.

Give me an example of phrasing that counts as "attempt to clearly separate". This chain of conversation could have ended much earlier if you had explicitly tossed this example out at the beginning.

I will not do that. These are your thoughts and your actions.

You did what you did. WKWYD

Is that a threat?

It is a MCFLA.

[dvgrn]

Reluctant Moderator's Note

{Action X} looks like you're trying to "manage" them and their ideas. Please don't do things like that.

Confocaloid, this ongoing conflict with GUYTU6J is really starting to look very silly, from a perspective outside of these endless arguments over nuances of phrasing.

Many of these attempts of yours to change GUYTU6J's behavior on the forums look very very similar to 'trying to "manage" them and their ideas'.

Please don't do that.

Official Public Polite Request
Since my private request clearly had no effect, I'll repeat it here: please take at least a month off from policing GUYTU6J on the forums and wiki, and just see how things look in 2023. If GUYTU6J does something that you find objectionable in the meantime, please give someone else a turn at trying to correct the problem -- without you pointing out the problem in any way, unless it directly affects something that you yourself are trying to accomplish.

Then, if nobody else says anything, please seriously consider the possibility that you're misreading GUYTU6J's intentions, and that whatever-it-is is might not be so objectionable after all -- possibly just a slightly non-standard phrasing, for example, maybe due to English not being GUYTU6J's first language.

I'm finding edits on the wiki where I prefer GUYTU6J's opinion, and other edits where I prefer your opinion. Of course I'm not sure that I'm right in either case. But I'm not finding any edits on either side where anyone is doing any significant damage to LifeWiki articles -- you're both just pursuing different visions of what works best on the LifeWiki, and stepping heavily on each other's toes in the process.

It would be great if you could find a way to give each other some space, such that convoluted discussions like the above never have to happen again. The last ten posts are clearly getting absolutely nowhere, while wandering off deeper and deeper into the weeds of "what I believe you meant when you said blah blah blah".

I'm sure they were all just as unpleasant to write as they are to read, so hopefully it will be great relief that you can both stop writing such things now.

[pzq_alex]

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[otismo]

I was going to feature this in a CGoL ArtWork - but it looks like a stand-alone
ArtWork all by itself - do not even know whose pattern it is - in one of book's
collections - should I go for it or leave it alone - DOES definitely inspire me...

Ha, that's definitely a piece of collaborative community art -- check out the attributions under the first entry in the Quetzal table as a starting point, but this particular one may have been an improvement on the original by someone not named there. Would have to check.

The form shown in the table is even bigger and more convoluted... but maybe that just makes it better from an artistic standpoint!

Anyway, the pattern in question was at one point the smallest-bounding-box p52 glider gun that anyone could come up with. It's a true-period Herschel-track-based gun, as the article says. In these micro-miniaturized modern days, it has been replaced in the gun collection with the slightly smaller and simpler

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A similar pattern was used for some very early testing of LifeViewer waypoint script animations, but that turns out to have been another Quetzal.

Whoa !

Like, "Honey, I shrunk the Kidz" !

Thanks and Happy Thanks Giving to ALL !

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2o8bo5b2o$46b3o4bo4b3o6b2o72b2o43b2o39b2obo4bo2bo7bo9bo5bobo2b2o$49b4o
5b3o81b2o42bo39bo3b2obo4bo5b2ob2o7b2o4bo5bo$48bo3b2o5b2o123bobo21b2o17b
obo3bob3o9bobo7bo2b2obo4bobo$48b3ob3o2bo2bo4b2o55bobo59b2o23b2o14bobo
b4ob2o2b3o4bobobo7bobobobo5b2o$51b2o3bo2bo6b2o7b2o38bo6b2o84bo15bob2o
4b4obo3bo3bo3bob2o3bo4bo2b2o12bobo$47bob2o3b4o7bo9bobo35b2o8bo21b2o33b
o43bo3b2o6b2ob2o4bo2bobo2bo2bo3b2o4bo11b2o$47b2obob2o23bo36b2o30bo7b2o
23b2o42b2o3bo4b3obobo5b2obobobo2b4o3b3o2bo5b2o4bo$51bo25b2o64b3o7b2o22b
2ob2o47bob3o2b2o2bo7bobo2b3o3bobo3b2o5bo2bo$52bobo16bo71bo11bo21b3o51b
2o5b2obobobob2ob3o6bo2b2o9bobo$53b2o12b2obobo71bobo2bo27b2ob2o6bo40bo
2bo3b2o3bob2o8bobo4b2o2b3o7bo$65bo2bob2o73b5o29b2o5b3o20b3o16bo4bo4bo
bobo3bob3o2bobo2bobo2bo2b3o$65b2o2bo109b2o4bo23bo18b7o2b2obo2b2o2b2o2b
obo2b3o2bob2o4bo26bo$70bobo57bo12b5o38bo23bo21b2o2bo3bo3bobo3bo2bobo4b
2obo4bo25b3o$71b2o55b2o12bo5bo30b2o2bo2bo41b3o4b5o3b2o3b3ob2obo8bo3bo
2bo2b2o17bo$129b2o10bo2bobobo30b2o2bo44bo3b2o8bob2obo3bo7bob3o7bo2b2o
9bo7b2o$142b3obobob2o31bobo9b2o28b2obob3ob2ob6o5bo2bob2obobo2bo7bobo14b
o$52b2o55bobo36bo2bo32bobo9b2o27bo2b3o13b2obobob2ob4obo8bobo13b3o$53b
2o47bo6b2o33b3ob2o36bo8bo30b2o5bo6bob3o4bo8bo9bo32b2ob2o$52bo47b2o8bo
32bo3bo38b2o40b4ob4o3b2o3bobobo6b2obobo5b2o33bobobo$101b2o31b2o2b2o3b
o3bo17b2o61bo3b2ob2o6b2o3bo7b2ob4o3bo35bo2b2o$133bo2bo2bo2b2ob2ob2o9b
2o2b2o2bo63b2o5b5o2b2o4b2o4bo6bo2bobo24b2o4b3o$132bob2ob2o5bo3bobo8b2o
2b5o62bo6b2o6b2obo2b2o3bo5bob2obob3o22b2o3bo3b4o$132bobobo2b5o2bo3bo83b
o2bo2b3o2b2o12b4o2bobo4bo26b4o4bob2o$131b2obob2o6b2o4b2o7bo62b3o6b2ob
2o3bo2bo13b2obo3bobobo3b2o12b2o15bob4obo$133bo4b4o2bo2b3o2bo5b2o62bo9b
4o2b2o2bob2o2bo2b2o4b2ob3obobo17bobo12b3o2bo4bo$117bo15bobo2bo3bobob2o
bobo2bo2bo12b2o51bo16bob3o5bo2bo2b2o6bo19bo13bo5bob2ob2o$115b2o14b2ob
4o3b2obob3o2bob2o3bo2b2o7bo64bobo4bo4bo2bo2bo2b3o5bo18b2o5bo8b5obobo2b
o$116b2o14bo3bo5bobo6bo3b3o3bobo7b3o58b3obo3bobob2o4bo2bo3b3o4bob2o21b
o13bo4bo$124b2o6bobob2o2bo2bobo5bob2o8bo9bo8b2o19b2o31b3obobobo7b2o4b
o3bobob2o21b3o7b3obo2b2ob4o$39b2o55bobo25bo8b2o5b2obo3bobobobo2b2o5b2o
18b2o18b2o34bo2bobo6bo7b3ob2o33bo2bobobobobo2bo$40b2o47bo6b2o27bo10b2o
5bob2ob2obobo3bo24bo59b2o20bo33b2o3bobobobo$39bo47b2o8bo26b2o7b2o8bo4b
ob2o2b3o58bo46b2o39bobob2o$88b2o30b2o2bo7bobobo7b3o5bobo48bo9b3o20bo25b
o41bo$120bobobo7bobo6b3o2bob5obo47bobo7bo11bo11b2o26bo9bo$117b2obo2bo
5b2obo2b2o3bo3bo9b2o49bo6b2o8b3o9bo2b2o24b2o7b3o42b2o$117bo2b4ob2obo2b
ob4o4b2ob2obo3b3o49bobo15bo11bo4bo32bo19b2o15b2o7bo$118b2o3b2o4bobobo
8bobo8bo48bo3bo14b2o9bobo2b3o7bo10b2o11b2o16b3obo14b2o5bobo$51b2o67bo
6b2o2bobo3bo3bo2bobob2o52bo3b2o28b2ob2o4b2o11b2o28bo4bo21b2o$42bo9bo7b
o43bo13b2o2b5o2b3ob2o3bobob2o5bob2o49b2o3bo8b3o18bo9bobobo16bo19bob2o
b3o$42b3o7bobo3b3o41b2o13bo2b2ob4obo6bob2obo3b5o55b3o12b2o15b3o10bobo
14b2obo7bo11bobo4bo4bo$45bo7b2o2bo45b2o13bo2bo6bo2b3o5bobobo2b3o4bo60b
2obob2o44bo3bo6bo14bob3o5bobo$12bo31b2o10bobo58b2obo2bo2bobobo2b2ob3o
2bob2o6b3o15b2o43bo2b4o44bo2b2o6b3o4b2o5b2obo7b2o$11bobo3b2o7b2o28b2o
25bobo32bob5obobo2bo9bo7b2o19b2o42bo4bo45b2ob2o15bo$10bo2bo3bo9b2o20b
o6b2o18bo6b2o32bo5b4ob2ob4o7b4obobob3o15bo45b4o14b2o32b2o3bo8bo$11b2o
b2obo8bo21bobo4b2o17b2o8bo33b3obo3bo3bo5b4o5bo3b2o2bo46bo16b2o3bobo7b
o2b2o36b2o5bo24b2o6b2o$14bobo31bo2bo3b2o18b2o43bobob2ob2obo2bo3bob6ob
o3bo2bob2o43bobo19bobo7b2ob2o35b2o7bo24bo6bobo$8bo5bo34b2o4b2o70bob2o
bobo2bo5bo2b2o4b2o2bo43b2o6b2o14bo8b3o10b2o34b4o17b3o7bo$7bobobobo107b
2obo7b2o3b3ob4ob2o2bo3b2o53bo11bo24bo56bo$8bo3bo111bo7bo7b2ob2o2bo3b3o
35bo16b3o11b2o25b3o$8b2o104b2o2bob2o2bo8b2ob3o4bo5bo3bo34bo17bo6b2o7b
o18b2o6bo80b2o$6bob5o13b2o84b3o2bo2bob3o4b2o8b5ob2o2b3o36b3o21bobo25b
obo87bo$5bo3bob2o14bo26bo36bo19bo4b2obobobo5b2o2b2o2bo6b5o62bo26b3obo
bo9bobo36b3o36bo$6bo2bo17bobo13bo11bo33b2o21b3obo2b2obo2b2o6b3obob3o5b
obo2bo54b2obob2o3bo19bo5b2o9b2o12b2o23bo18b2o14b5o$8bo19bobo12b2o8b3o
34b2o22bobobo15bo4bo2bo2bo5bo55bob2obo4bo16b2o2bo16bo6b3o3bobo23bo18b
o13bo$6bo23b2ob2o7bobo70bobob2ob3o4b2o3b3o2bo2bo4b3o6b2o53bob2obob2o13b
ob3obo29bo3b2ob2o8bob2o23bobo12b3o$7bo5b2o18b2o35bobo44bo2bo3bo4b2o3b
3ob2ob2o3bobo8b2o49b2o3bo5bo12bo3b2obo7b2o12bo3bo8bobo7b3ob2o24b2o15b
o$7bo6b2o11b2o34bo6b2o45bob2o3bo10bo3bobob2o3b2o6bo51bo2bo8b2o10bo2bo
4b2o4bo2bo11bo3bo3bo4bo2bo5bo35b2o7b4o$13bo14bo32b2o8bo28b2o12b2obob3o
2bo11b2obob2ob3ob2o37bo21b2o9b3o3b2o4bo5bobobo4bobo12bobo3b6obobo6b3o
b2o28bobo2b2o3bo3b2o$25b3o34b2o36bo13b2obo2b2obo6b2o5bobobobo43bobo16b
3o2bobo6b3o3b2o4b2o4bobobo5bo19bo3bobo2bob2o5bobo31bo2b2o4b3o2bo$6bo18b
o7bo64bobo16bo3b2o7bobo4bobo2bo44b2o17bo2bo2b2o6b3o11b2o2b3ob2o19bo13b
ob2o5bobo42bob2o$5bobo24bobo63b2o17bo12bo7b2o67b2o11b2o8b2o2bo2bobo23b
2obo10bo9bo43bo$4bo2bo23bo2bo83b2o56bo43bo5b2o9b2obo16bo7b3o7bobo52b2o
$5b2o25b2o85bo55bo42bobobo3b2o3bob2o5bob2o4b2o8bo16b2o$38b2o67bo9bo57b
3o39bobob2o13bo3bobo6bo6b3o$38bobo26bo39b3o7b2o26bo71bobo15b2ob2obo2b
o4bo56b3o13b2o$b2o25b2o8bo29bo8b2o16bo14bo21bo11b3o71b2o5b2o3b5ob2obo
bob2o5b3o30b2o21bo15bo$obo10b3o11bobo36b3o3b2o2b3o2b2o11b3o12b2o11b2o
5b5o10bob2o77bobob2o8b3obo3b3o4bo22b2o4bobo21bo15b3o$o12bo13bo44bo2bo
bo4b2o9b2obo25bo11bo8bo2bo80b3o7b2o4bo5bo4bo22bo2b2obobo39bo$bo2bo9bo
11b2o45bo3bob2obo10b2o37b2o10b2o17bo62bo4bo7b4ob2o8bo23bobobobo$4bob2o
42bo25bo3b2o30b2o17b2o11bo17b3o62b3o2b2ob3o5bo2bo2bo2bobo22b2obobo23b
2o$2b2o7b2o35b2o62b2o16bo30bo2bo9bo53bobo2bo4bo2bo2b2o3bobo2b2o20bo2b
o2b2o21bobo$b2o5bo3bo36b2o12bob2o44bo2bo46bo4bo7bobo49bo4b3o7b2obo5bo
4b3o17bobo4bobo22bo$5bo5bo49b3obo42bo2bob2o45b2obo10b2o50b2o3bobo4b2o
bo2bo11bobo15bo2bob2o2b2o$b4obob2obobo46bo4bobo27bobo9bo2bo36b2o17bo62b
2o2b2obob2obo2bob2o5b2ob2obo14b2o2b3o$4b2o5bob3o24b2o4b2o13b3ob2obo27b
2o10bobo37bo12bo64b3o2bo2bob2obo2bobo2bo4bo2bo3bo10bo$5bo3bo6bo23b2o3b
o2bo14bo4bo28bo48b3o12bo3bo60bo2b2o5bobo5b2o7bobo3b2o10bo6bo$b5obobob
4obo29bobo14bob3o16b2o48b2o26bobo63bo2bobo4b2ob2o11bo14b3o6b2o7b2o$o4b
ob2obo3bob2o29bo16b2o19bo49bo27bo65bo5bobo5b3o33b2o5bo2bo29b3o$2o2bo2b
2obobo26b3o40b3o7b2o38b3o91b3o4bo3b5o3bo33b6o2b3o29bo$4bo5bob2o12b3o9b
o12b2o7b2o20bo9bo14b3o15bo6bo93bo8b3o4bobo40b2o33bo$8bobobo2bo10bo12b
o3bo7bo8bo9bo23bo14bo16bo104b2o6b4ob2o41bo$3b4obobo3b2o11bo8b3o2b2obo
7b3o3bobo7b3o22b2o13bo15b3o103bo3b7o40bo2bob2o$3b2obo4bo24bo7bo10bob3o
7bo24bo20b2o32b2o81b2o9bo2b2o47b2o$5bo2bob2o32b2o8bob2o9b2o23b2ob3o14b
obo2bo30bo12bo66b2obob5o3bobo2bo45bobo$7bo46bo2bo31b2obobo3bo13bobobo
b3o27bobo10bobo66bobo5b2obobobobo24b2o20bo$4b2ob5o50bo26b2obo4b3o11b2o
bobo3bob3o24b2o10b2o64bo4b2ob3ob2ob2obobo24bo8bo58b2o$2b4obo4bo48bo2b
o27bo5b3o8bo4bo4bobo101b2obobobobo3bo3bo3bobo27bo5bobo57bo$bo3b4o3bo42b
o2bobo3bo27bo6b2o3b2o6b3obo106b2obo2b2o2b2o3bo3bo2bo27b2o4bo3bo58bo$2b
2ob2obobo2b2o41b2o2bo3bo25bobob3ob2o4b2o2bo2b2obo2b2o2b4o28b2o71bo4bo
bo3b2ob5o27bo6bo3bo38b2o14b5o$3bo4bo2b2o2bo45b3o25bobobo3bob2o13bo2bo
3b2ob2o26bo2bo17bo49b2ob2o3bobo5bo31bob2o4bo3bo39bo13bo$bo2bo2b2obobo
b2o46bo24b3obo2b4o12b2o2b3o2bo2bo30bobo18bo47bobobo5bo6bob4o25bo2bobo
4bobo9b2o29bobo3b3o6b3o$b4o4b2obobo71bo4b2obo5bo3b2o2bob2o6b2o6bo27bo
17b3o46bo4bobo11b2o2bo25b2o2bo6bo10b2o30b2o2bo3bo8bo$5b3obobo2bo24b3o
45b3o2bo6bo4b2o4b2o2b5o5b2o12bo81bo4bo2b3o96bo5bo4b4o$b4o2bobobobo25b
o49b2o3b4ob2o7bo3b2o6b2ob2o3bo10bo80b2o3bo5bo95bo5bo4bo3b2o$bo2bo3b2o
b2o27bo54bobob2o6bobobo3b2o3b4ob4o8b3o21bobo58bo7bobo45b2o47bo5bo5b3o
2bo$98bo8bo4b3obo6bo5b2o23b2o6b2o56b2o2bobobobobo46bo9b2obo35bo3bo8bo
b2o$97bob4ob2obobob2o13b3o2bo23b2o5bo56bo2b4o4bobob2o40b3o11bob3o34b3o
9bo$95bo2bobob2obo2bo5b6ob2ob3obob2o23bobo62bo7b3obobo41bo11bobo4bo44b
2o$93b3obo7bo3bob2obo8b2o3bo27b2o63b6o2bob2obo52bob2ob3o$92bo8bob2ob3o
3b2o3b5o4b3o25b2obobo69bo3bo53bo4bo$74b2o17bob2o4bobo2bo3bobo3bo3bo2b
2o30bo3b3o61bo2bobob3o55b3obo39b2o$51bo22bobo15b2obo2b3o2bobo2b2o2b2o
2bob2o2b7o31b2o59b3o4bo61b2o40bo$51bo22bo18bo2bobo2bobo2b3obo3bobobo4b
o4bo27bo3bo25bo33bo4b2o3b3o86b3o11b3o$92bo2b2o4bobo8b2obo3b2o3bo2bo27b
obob2o26bo32bo2b2o3bobo2bo35b2o50bo13bo$43b2o3b3o42b2o2bo6b3ob2obobob
ob2o5b2o30bo3bo2bo21b3o31b2ob2obo4bo2bo35bobo48bo$43b2o3b2o45bobo3b3o
2bobo7bo2b2o2b3obo23bo8bo3bo53bo2bo5b2ob3o38bo4b2o$43b2o4bobo41b2o3b4o
2bobobob2o5bobob3o4bo23bo6b2ob2obo52b3o2bo5bo37b4ob2o2bo2bo$42b2o6bo41b
o2b2o3bo2bo2bobo2bo4b2ob2o6b2o21b3o5bo2bo3bo8bobo28b2o14b5obobob2o34b
o2bobobobob2o$42b2o48b2obo4bo3b2obo3bo3bo3bob4o4b2o28bobo3b2o8b2o28bo
14bo4b6obo37bobobobo$41bobo10b2o39bobobo7bobobo4b3o2b2ob4obo30bo14bo27b
obo14bo2bo2bo12bo31b2obobo$42bo2b2o7bo40b2o2bo7bobo9b3obo3bobo73b2o14b
2obobo4b3o3b2obobo3bo30bo$39b3o3bobo7b3o41b2o7b2ob2o5bo4bob2o2b2o40b2o
46bo2bo5bo3bo2bob2o2bo2b3o$39bo7bo9bo42bo9bo7bo2bo4bobo42bo25b3o20b2o
2bobobo3b3o4bobo5bo13b2o$47b2o38b2o10bo8b2o5b2obobobobobobo40bobo25b3o
26b2o4b3ob3obob3o2bo14bo7b2o$87bobo9b2o6bobob2o2bo2bo7bob2o39b2o24b2o
bo24bob2o3bo2bo4bobobo2bob2o13bobo5b2o$87bo19bobo7bobob2o2b2o68b2o27b
o8bobo3b2o4bo17b2o41b3o$106b2obo2bo3b2obobobo2bob2o77bo21bo7b2ob2o2b2o
62bo$108bobo2bo3bobo4bobo2bo34b3o38b3o20bobobob2ob2o3bo64bo$108bob2ob
4o2bo2bobo2bo35bo40bo19b2o2b2o3bo2bo4b3o25b3o$106b2obob2o6b5ob2o35b2o
3bo31bo4b2o18b2o11b4o2bob2o24bo$107bobo4b5o6bo37bo2bo20bobo8bo3b3o30b
obo3b2o2bo24bo$107bobo2b2o5bobobobo38b2o22b2o8bo4bo31b2o2b2o4bo36bo10b
o$108bo2bo2bo2b2ob2ob2o63bo10bo4bo35bob3o28b2o8bo7b3o$109b2o2b2o3bo3b
o41bo37b2obo34bobo30bo7b3o6bo$118bobobo41bo40bo35bo32b3o13b2o$119b3ob
2o40bo39b2o25bobo41bo$100b2o19bobo2bo36bo4b2o14bo48b2o$100bobo14b3o3b
ob2o35bo2bo3bo12b2o49bo$100bo15bo2bo3bo35b2obo3bo2bobo11b2o35b2o71b3o
$117bo5bo27bo7b5obo4b2o47bobo73bo$118b5o26b2o11b2o57bo72bo$150b2o7bo3b
o92b3o21b2o$120bo37bobobobo9b2o82bo20bobo5b2o$119bobo35bo5bo9bo2bo23b
obo54bo21bo8bo$120bo34bobo16bobo24b2o75b2o$154bob2ob2o6bo7bo25bo$154b
o3bo2bo5b3o122bo$153b2o3bobo9bo12bo104b2obobo$159bo9b2o10bobo61bobo39b
obobobo$113b2o59b3o5b2o62b2o36bo2bo3bobob2o$113bobo55b6o69bo37b4ob2o2b
o2bo$113bo56bob2o33b2o79bo4b2o$138bo30bobo27bo6bobo39b2o4b2o30bobo$136b
2o31bo27b3o8bo38bo2bo3b2o30b2o$137b2o29b2o26bo50bobo4b2o$196b2o50bo6b
2o$213bobo39b2o$214b2o27b2o10bobo$195bo18bo29bo7b2o2bo$194b2o45b3o7bo
bo3b3o$193b2obo44bo9bo7bo$193b2o55b2o$126b2o58b2o$126bo58bobo$126bo2b
o55bo7b2o$120b2o5bo2bo53b2o$120b2o5bobo$198bo$194b2obobo$119b3o71bobo
bobo26bobo$118bo12b2o57bo2bobobobob2o24b2o$119bo3bo7bo58b4ob2o2bo2bo24b
o$116b3o2b2obo7b3o59bo4b2o$116bo7bo9bo57bobo$124b2o66b2o38b2o$232bobo
$234bo$234b2o!

I would like our community to make an NFT of the above pattern in our NFT Gallery -

it does not HAVE to be priced, but I would like to see it priced @ Ten Million Dollars

( in ether or whatever crypto - and if a consensus develops to price it higher, I am all for it -

the higher, the better, in my not so humble opinion, and WE NEED TO DO THIS or be sorry... ).

EDIT ONE :

Because if/when the U$dollar IS crypto, I do not think anyone would object, NFTs will be "normal"

( even if we do not like it ) and other people ( like me ) will be making NFTs with or without the

support of this community ( which I for one would rather have ); not that THIS community would

make ANY NFTs "more legit" than any other NFTs; I just feel that this community should "control"

( be the ultimate "authority" over ) the most desirable CGoL NFTs that anyone would really want.

Cheers !

[Sokwe]

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x = 41, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21b3o7bo$5b2o17bo5bobo$6bo16b2o6bo$5bo18b3o$5b2o18b4o$24bo3b2o$25b
2o3bo$26b4o$22b3o3bo5b2o2b2o$9b2o23bobo2bo$9bobo8b2obobo10b2o$2b2o5bo
10b2obobo10bo$3bo17bo10b2o4bo$3bobo26bobo2b2o$4b2o10bo17bo2bo$2o10bob
ob2o10bo5b3o2bo$bo10bobob2o8bobo8b3o$bobo23b2o7bo$2b2o5bo3b3o20b2o$8b
4o$7bo3b2o9bo$8b2o3bo8bo7bo$9b4o9bo6bobo7bo$11b3o10b2o3bobo7b2o$6bo6b
2o3b3o3b2o4bo7bobo$5bobo5bo$6bo7b3o17bo$16bo16b2o$32b2o$24b2o8bo$24bo
9bo3bo$25b3o9bobo$27bo6bobo2bo$30bo2bobobob2o$30b4ob2o2bo$34bo4bo$30b
2o2bob3o$30b2o3b2o!

That makes the gun pseudo period. Generally we prefer the true-period gun unless the pseud-period gun has a smaller bounding box. In this case they have the same bounding box, so the true-period gun is preferred.

Edit: I was wrong, of course. The period-doubling semi-snark means the period-doubling boat-bit does not make the gun pseudo-period.

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x = 41, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21b3o7bo$5b2o17bo5bobo$6bo16b2o6bo$5bo18b3o$5b2o18b4o$24bo3b2o$25b
2o3bo$26b4o$22b3o3bo5b2o2b2o$9b2o23bobo2bo$9bobo8b2obobo10b2o$2b2o5bo
10b2obobo10bo$3bo17bo10b2o4bo$3bobo26bobo2b2o$4b2o10bo17bo2bo$2o10bob
ob2o10bo5b3o2bo$bo10bobob2o8bobo8b3o$bobo23b2o7bo$2b2o5bo3b3o20b2o$8b
4o$7bo3b2o9bo$8b2o3bo8bo7bo$9b4o9bo6bobo7bo$11b3o10b2o3bobo7b2o$6bo6b
2o3b3o3b2o4bo7bobo$5bobo5bo$6bo7b3o17bo$16bo16b2o$32b2o$24b2o8bo$24bo
9bo3bo$25b3o9bobo$27bo6bobo2bo$30bo2bobobob2o$30b4ob2o2bo$34bo4bo$30b
2o2bob3o$30b2o3b2o!

That makes the gun pseudo period. Generally we prefer the true-period gun unless the pseud-period gun has a smaller bounding box. In this case they have the same bounding box, so the true-period gun is preferred.

Identify says otherwise. Both versions have period 102.

[confocaloid]

Also, please try to avoid using commands, commands mess up Golly

Can you describe specific symptoms of the problem? This is strange. IIRC cut-and-paste from code box to Golly always worked correctly for me regardless of any comments/commands, as well as saving the RLE to a file and opening it via File/Open pattern.

[pzq_alex]

EDIT:
What is this?

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x = 7, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
o$obo$3o$2bo3$5b2o$2bo3bo$2b4o2$2b2o$2b2o!

A eater replacement:

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
o$obo$3o$2bo3$5b2o$5bo$6b3o$8bo!
[[ PASTET 13 PASTE 2o! 5 6 ]]

[yujh]

is this c/4d known?

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x = 6, y = 5, rule = R2,C0,S,B4
bobo$o3bo2$o4bo$4bo!

also, what are some 2-state range-2 totalistic Moore neighborhood rules known to be Turing complete?

as early as 2017 according to https://catagolue.hatsya.com/census/r2b4t4s25t25/C1

[confocaloid]

... You seem to have a habit for asking questions that are already answered in the original post. Please try to read through other's posts more carefully before asking questions.

Two posts do not a habit make. I think it would suffice to say that the question is already answered in the original post.

[rutabaga]

I found a CGOL boat near my Minecraft boats (zoom in on the circled part)

[confocaloid]

Here is why LifeWiki needs a General Disclaimer, like some other encyclopedias and reference works:

For a statement "as of {{tl|currMY}}, no pattern with such property exists", it will remain true as long as no such pattern exists, and it is more up-to-date than using "as of year/month/day" when somebody just happened to think of checking the status. When a pattern with such property is found, it is expected for editors to delete in time the statement that has just shortly become false and add a description for the fresh discovery. What is the point of keeping a misleading (by virture of being outdated, not reflecting recent situation) statement of non-existence of something if nobody intends to update it? (Note: on the other hand I am fine with an existential statement like "as of year/month/day, one or more pattern with such property exists"; even if outdated it is verifiable and less misleading than the contrary.)

That you do not see the implication does not ensure that no LifeWiki reader would think that way and then ask questions like "what is the current status, and why is LifeWiki not updated".

The template {{tl|currMY}} is to update statements of non-existence automatically so as to reduce workload for editors (no need to manually update [https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=120161 like this]). Statements of existence backed by construction/proof has a fixed date (that of publication), while statements of non-existence not backed by any rigorous proof do ''not'' because they are (to different possibilities) prone to be ruled out in a future date.

I believe people here are volunteers, and are not obliged to do anything - in particular, I think no one is obliged to update LifeWiki. An extremely short summary is that one should not expect too much from editors.

There seems to be something wrong when someone starts talking about "reducing workload for editors". The word "workload" seems to carry the implication of looking at something that was supposed to be a fun recreational-mathematics hobby -- and apparently failing to see anything fun -- and instead seeing a "job" to be done.

See, Life is not a "job". Life is a hobby. It is supposed to be fun.

The constant talk about "expecting from editors" and "misleading statements" is not exactly fun.

[GUYTU6J]

...
I believe people here are volunteers, and are not obliged to do anything - in particular, I think no one is obliged to update LifeWiki. An extremely short summary is that one should not expect too much from editors.

There seems to be something wrong when someone starts talking about "reducing workload for editors". The word "workload" seems to carry the implication of looking at something that was supposed to be a fun recreational-mathematics hobby -- and apparently failing to see anything fun -- and instead seeing a "job" to be done.

See, Life is not a "job". Life is a hobby. It is supposed to be fun.

The constant talk about "expecting from editors" and "misleading statements" is not exactly fun.

Very good point. So I designed a template that automatically updates LifeWiki statements. So what is the fuss here?

[confocaloid]

Very good point. So I designed a template that automatically updates LifeWiki statements. So what is the fuss here?

The template fails to accomplish what it is advertised to do. It "updates" only half of a statement.

As I already said on Template talk:CurrMY, there should be a fixed static date in "As of (date), ..." statements -- not something that changes dynamically.

The template attempts to do automatically something that is impossible to do automatically. I think the template should be deleted, and the transclusions reverted to the last specified fixed date, unless/until someone can update them properly.

[confocaloid]

By "looks too wide for me" I meant individual viewers, not the sum of two. Is there a demonstration for a two-column gallery failed to fit to the left of infobox?

The result of https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=111614 on my screen, with the browser window expanded to full screen width:

2.png (48.73 KiB) Viewed 1058 times

3.png (22.88 KiB) Viewed 1058 times

[Citation needed]

This just came out.