[Game] My integer is larger

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[Game] My integer is larger

Post by pzq_alex » July 30th, 2022, 10:37 am

Like My number is larger, but integers only.

To prevent cheating, we enforce the following rules:

1. Integers in standard ZFC set theory only. (This prohibits nonstandard integers. )
2. Your integer must be well-defined, utilizing preexisting notations under (eventually dominated by) f_(w^w) under the standard choices of fundamental sequences only.
3. No trivial variations on previous posts. This includes “the previous number +1” and “sum of all previously posted numbers”.
4. Don’t jump too far. This is less formal, but please don’t jump from e.g. power tower to TREE, or from BEAF to uncomputable functions.
5. Your integer must be greater than the previous one (obviously).

I’ll start: 0.

Edit: New rule:

6. If it is not immediately clear from the definition, you must show that your integer is well-defined.
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\sum_{n=1}^\infty H_n/n^2 = \zeta(3)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by yujh » July 30th, 2022, 4:14 pm

99^0

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by HotWheels9232 » July 30th, 2022, 4:33 pm

Not CA related
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by rowett » July 30th, 2022, 4:56 pm

Let ds(n) be the smallest prime number where the digit sums of it when written in bases 2 to n+1 are all prime.

ds(34)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by pzq_alex » July 30th, 2022, 10:15 pm

rowett wrote:
July 30th, 2022, 4:56 pm
Let ds(n) be the smallest prime number where the digit sums of it when written in bases 2 to n+1 are all prime.

ds(34)
How would you show that such a prime exists?
\sum_{n=1}^\infty H_n/n^2 = \zeta(3)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by rowett » July 31st, 2022, 2:27 am

pzq_alex wrote:
July 30th, 2022, 10:15 pm
How would you show that such a prime exists?
ds(1) = 3
3 in base 2 is the binary number 11, the digit sum of 11 is 2, which is prime

ds(2) = 5
5 in base 2 is 101, the digit sum of 101 is 2, which is prime
5 in base 3 is 12, the digit sum of 12 is 3, which is prime

ds(3) = 5
5 in base 2 is 101, the digit sum of 101 is 2, which is prime
5 in base 3 is 12, the digit sum of 12 is 3, which is prime
5 in base 4 is 11, the digit sum of 11 is 2, which is prime

ds(4) = 11
11 in base 2 is 1011, the digit sum of 1011 is 3, which is prime
11 in base 3 is 102, the digit sum of 102 is 3, which is prime
11 in base 4 is 23, the digit sum of 23 is 5, which is prime
11 in base 5 is 21, the digit sum of 21 is 3, which is prime

etc.

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by pzq_alex » July 31st, 2022, 6:33 am

rowett wrote:
July 31st, 2022, 2:27 am
pzq_alex wrote:
July 30th, 2022, 10:15 pm
How would you show that such a prime exists?
ds(1) = 3
3 in base 2 is the binary number 11, the digit sum of 11 is 2, which is prime

ds(2) = 5
5 in base 2 is 101, the digit sum of 101 is 2, which is prime
5 in base 3 is 12, the digit sum of 12 is 3, which is prime

ds(3) = 5
5 in base 2 is 101, the digit sum of 101 is 2, which is prime
5 in base 3 is 12, the digit sum of 12 is 3, which is prime
5 in base 4 is 11, the digit sum of 11 is 2, which is prime

ds(4) = 11
11 in base 2 is 1011, the digit sum of 1011 is 3, which is prime
11 in base 3 is 102, the digit sum of 102 is 3, which is prime
11 in base 4 is 23, the digit sum of 23 is 5, which is prime
11 in base 5 is 21, the digit sum of 21 is 3, which is prime

etc.
I understand how the function works, but how do you show that ds(34) is well-defined, i.e. there is a prime whose digit sums in base 2..35 are also primes?

Edit: According to this calculation, ds only increases exponentially, so something like graham(with a small g) is going to beat it...
\sum_{n=1}^\infty H_n/n^2 = \zeta(3)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by Wyirm » August 30th, 2022, 9:30 pm

This one is going to take a bit of explaining.
Imagine a numerical counting system with a base less than unary, say base .5. Each 1 in the base would be only half the last, and no number could be larger than 2. Now assume we have a function f(x) that represents the number of digits required to reach 2 for a number system base x. This function starts at 2 for base 1, and rockets off to infinity at 2. I do not know the growth rate of this function, but it can be represented as the number of terms in a series of x^n needed to equal 2 as x approaches 0.5.

f(0.5001) should be a good enough start

I would show it with the sum function, but i'm on my phone.

Edit* this isn't rational function, it surpasses any x^-n because the asymptote is at .5 and rational functions are at 0.

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by HotWheels9232 » September 1st, 2022, 11:23 am

Wyirm wrote:
August 30th, 2022, 9:30 pm
This one is going to take a bit of explaining.
Imagine a numerical counting system with a base less than unary, say base .5. Each 1 in the base would be only half the last, and no number could be larger than 2. Now assume we have a function f(x) that represents the number of digits required to reach 2 for a number system base x. This function starts at 2 for base 1, and rockets off to infinity at 2. I do not know the growth rate of this function, but it can be represented as the number of terms in a series of x^n needed to equal 2 as x approaches 0.5.

f(0.5001) should be a good enough start

I would show it with the sum function, but i'm on my phone.

Edit* this isn't rational function, it surpasses any x^-n because the asymptote is at .5 and rational functions are at 0.
Seems like logarithmicly. But I warned you about not being CA-related so now I'm going to ask the moderators. My 509th pot!
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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B3-k/S23
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by hotdogPi » September 1st, 2022, 11:27 am

What is the point of declaring every single post (or "pot", as you have it) number now that you've reached 500? I can see 512 (2^9), but not 501, 502, 503, or 509.
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by pzq_alex » September 2nd, 2022, 5:24 am

I’ve added a new rule (see OP), so rowett’s entry is now invalidated.
Wyirm wrote:
August 30th, 2022, 9:30 pm
This one is going to take a bit of explaining.
Imagine a numerical counting system with a base less than unary, say base .5. Each 1 in the base would be only half the last, and no number could be larger than 2. Now assume we have a function f(x) that represents the number of digits required to reach 2 for a number system base x. This function starts at 2 for base 1, and rockets off to infinity at 2. I do not know the growth rate of this function, but it can be represented as the number of terms in a series of x^n needed to equal 2 as x approaches 0.5.

f(0.5001) should be a good enough start

I would show it with the sum function, but i'm on my phone.

Edit* this isn't rational function, it surpasses any x^-n because the asymptote is at .5 and rational functions are at 0.
This entry is actually 13 (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Su ... 2C13%7D%5D).

My entry: 10^100 (aka Googol)
\sum_{n=1}^\infty H_n/n^2 = \zeta(3)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by get_Snacked » September 2nd, 2022, 3:59 pm

10^100/(1/(10^100)) (so 10^10000)
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if you have done basic coding before, summation notation is basically just the for(); function.
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by unname4798 » August 24th, 2023, 3:18 pm

I will restart.
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by Colonizor48 » September 1st, 2023, 12:22 am

The least Baile-PSW pseudoprime(one probably exists, the known lower bound is 2^64, I would say there is probably one between 2^64 and 2^1000, but I have nothing to back that up)

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by Haycat2009 » September 2nd, 2023, 11:57 pm

Colonizor48 wrote:
September 1st, 2023, 12:22 am
The least Baile-PSW pseudoprime(one probably exists, the known lower bound is 2^64, I would say there is probably one between 2^64 and 2^1000, but I have nothing to back that up)
The smallest odd perfect number
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by unname4798 » September 3rd, 2023, 5:31 am

Haycat2009 wrote:
September 2nd, 2023, 11:57 pm
Colonizor48 wrote:
September 1st, 2023, 12:22 am
The least Baile-PSW pseudoprime(one probably exists, the known lower bound is 2^64, I would say there is probably one between 2^64 and 2^1000, but I have nothing to back that up)
The smallest odd perfect number
There are no odd perfect numbers.

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by b3s23love » September 3rd, 2023, 5:41 am

unname4798 wrote:
September 3rd, 2023, 5:31 am
There are no odd perfect numbers.
It’s still an unsolved problem.

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by MEisSCAMMER » September 3rd, 2023, 7:24 am

b3s23love wrote:
September 3rd, 2023, 5:41 am
unname4798 wrote:
September 3rd, 2023, 5:31 am
There are no odd perfect numbers.
It’s still an unsolved problem.
It's possible Haycat has solved it and this is their subtle way of telling the rest of us... :)
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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by Colonizor48 » September 30th, 2023, 1:49 pm

(using BEAF notation)
let f_0(n) = 0
f_1(n) = {n} = 1
f_2(n) = {n, n(1)n, n}
f_3(n) = {n, n, n(1)n, n, n(1)n, n, n(1)(2)n, n, n(1)n, n, n(1)n, n, n(1)(2)n, n, n(1)n, n, n(1)n, n, n}(i think this is right, if it is not correct me please, it is supposed to be a 3x3x3 3d array filled with n
f_k(n) = a kxk k dimensional hypercube array filled with n
f_omega(n) = f_n(n)
f_omega(f_omega(f_omega(3)))
f_omega grows faster then f_epsilon0(i am pretty sure) on the fgh because f_epsilon0 is around a function k(n), where k(n) = {n, n, n, n, n....} n times. and f_omega obviously grows faster, but I don't know how to prove it

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Re: [Game] My integer is larger

Post by Colonizor48 » September 30th, 2023, 2:06 pm

Haycat2009 wrote:
September 2nd, 2023, 11:57 pm
Colonizor48 wrote:
September 1st, 2023, 12:22 am
The least Baile-PSW pseudoprime(one probably exists, the known lower bound is 2^64, I would say there is probably one between 2^64 and 2^1000, but I have nothing to back that up)
The smallest odd perfect number
This is i'll defined, as odd perfect numbers are not known to exist or not exist.
(But, by that logic mine was also i'll defined, though the probability of a Baille-PSW pseudoprime is far higher then that of an odd perfect number existing.)

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