How do we know that the p10 and p36 exist?
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Someone said they did in a list of known fleet hassler periods. We found the p36, but not the p10.
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Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
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The section "Still life syntheses" on the page Glider synthesis was recently updated, but most statistics about pseudo still lifes are erroneous. Apparently, Catagolue's definition of a "pseudo" object was used, which includes quasi still lifes and constellations.
For example, all pseudo still lifes with 17 bits or less areconstructible with strictly less than one glider per bit, but this is not what the table and the notes say.
For example, all pseudo still lifes with 17 bits or less areconstructible with strictly less than one glider per bit, but this is not what the table and the notes say.
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When I updated the numbers for quasi, I went to the end of each section and manually made sure they were touching (most of them weren't) and not pseudo. I didn't use any automatic definitions.
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries
Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
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The figures about quasi still lifes look normal (although I didn't check those). I was specifically talking about pseudo still lifes in this edit by DroneBetter : https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=153714
For a long time I suspected that statistics about pseudo still lifes were wrong, but I wasn't sure because they change quickly.
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https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Beluchenko%27s_p13
The LCM page of Beluchenko's p13 is outdated, listing the following oscillator as the smallest p130
However, it's actually this oscillator (1 cell smaller minipop).
EDIT: changed.
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EDIT 3:
The LCM page of Beluchenko's p13 is outdated, listing the following oscillator as the smallest p130
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x = 26, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
$6bo$5bobo$5bobo$ob2obob2o$2obobo2bo$5bobo$4bo2bo$4b2o$7bo$4b4o$3bo$4b
4o6b3o$7bo$4b2o10bo$4bo2bo8b2o$5bobo7bo$2obobo2bo9bo$ob2obob2o5bo3bo$
5bobo11b2o$5bobo2b2o2b3o5bo$6bo3b2o5bo4b2obo$17bo3bo3bo$17bobo5bo3$16b
2o$16b2o!
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x = 39, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
5b2o9b2o3b2o9b2o$5bo10b2o3b2o10bo$6b3o21b3o$2o6bo21bo6b2o$bo6bobo4bo7b
o4bobo6bo$bobo5b2o2b2o9b2o2b2o5bobo$2b2o10bobo5bobo10b2o$6b2o7b2o5b2o
7b2o$5bobo23bobo$5b2o25b2o5$14b2o$12b2o2b2o$12bo4bo$13bo2bo$11bobo2bo
bo$11b2o4b2o!
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Should this be added to the p21 Honey Farm Hasslers, even though it's similar to the one supported by 34p7 (see below)iNoMed wrote: ↑July 31st, 2024, 9:50 am
Actually, they're similar enough to allow a stably-supported monomer of that p21 honey farm hassler to be built:Code: Select all
x = 25, y = 23, rule = B3/S23 7b2o$8bo2bo$5b3o3b3o$4bo3b3o3bo$4b2obo3b3o$8b2obo$3bob2obobo$3b2ob2o3$ 10bobo7b2o$9bobob2o6bo$9bobo9bob2o$4b2o4bo7b2ob2obo$3bobo13bo$3bo15bo$ 2b2o14b2ob2o$o2bobob2o8bo2bobo$2o2b2obo8bob2o$7bobo6bobo$7b2obo3bobo2b o$10bo3b2o2b2o$10b2o!
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x = 57, y = 48, rule = DoubleB3S23
4$20.4A$19.A3.A$19.A4.A$20.A.A.2A$24.A.A$23.2A2.A$19.2A2.A$23.A2.2A$19.
A.BCA$20.A.C2.B$19.2BCA.ABCB$18.B3.C2B2.AB$18.2B.B.A.2BC$22.BCACA6.2A
$17.B.2B.B.B8.A3.2A$17.2B.2B13.A2.A$24.3C7.2A.A$10.2B2.2B7.C3.C6.A2.4A
8.A$10.B2.B.B6.C5.C5.BCA3.A6.3A$11.B.B8.C5.C5.AB.3A6.A$10.2B.B8.C5.C5.
AC.CB.A2.2A2.A$7.B.B2.B5.2A3.C3.C4.2B.CBAB.A5.2A$7.2B.2B5.A.A4.3C6.B.
A.A4.A.A3.2A$10.B6.A15.B2.2A.4A.A.2A2.A$10.B5.AC2B12.2B.2B.A4.2A.A2.A
$5.B.2B.2B2.A.BA.AB2A8.B2.B.B.A.2A5.2A$5.2B.B5.AC2.2A.C8.B.2B3.2A.A$8.
B6.B5.C.A6.B.B7.A$8.2B5.B5.CA.A3.B.B2.B6.2A$16.B3.B3.A3.2B2.2B$17.3B4.
2A$22.2B.2B$19.B.B.2B.B$18.B.2B$16.3B3.B.2B$15.B3.3B3.B$16.3B3.3B$18.
B2.B$21.2B!
I don't think this was ever addressed. It is actually quite elegant.muzik wrote: ↑June 24th, 2017, 12:31 pmVariant of caterer on fig8 which is superior to the one on LifeWiki in terms of bounding box across all generations:
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x = 8, y = 15, rule = B3/S23 b2o$3bo$o$o3bo$o3b4o$2bo4$2b2o$2b2obo$6bo$3bo$4bob2o$6b2o!
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An external link of bookend bridge house article which goes to Catagolue actually goes to a page of xs16_c4o796z321.
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Is there a list of RLE pages that aren't used anywhere?
Parity Replicator Collection v1.6 is now live - please send all relevant discoveries here.
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On https://conwaylife.com/wiki/B-heptomino_hasslers#p70 (and https://conwaylife.com/wiki/I-heptomino_hasslers#p70 by extension) I wanted to add the apgcode of the p70 shuttle (xp70_ylg8s39196y769193s8gzyk5401fo0iay7ai0of1045zyk6989c31yb13c9896zyioooynoooz8p7gc487pabp6o8gya8k8y78k8yag8o6pbap784cg7p8z122dl31w1ukln8buy1ci2jdxccy9ccxdj2icy1ub8nlku1w13ld221zx11y16607871y0g8g1y1ggxgy1gxggy11g8gy01787066y111zxggy1cc0s2sgy0121gy13334p8970798p4333y1g121y0gs2s0ccy1ggzg88mlogwgf5lt2qfy1698pmx66y966xmp896y1fq2tl5fgwgolm88gz2js1642sjaqjc321ya252y7252ya123cjqajs2461sj2zyi333yn333zykci2i6ogybgo6i2iczykk40gu309ay7a903ug04kzyl127oigicy7cigio721), but the spam filter was tripped up by the "8buy" in the code.
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viewtopic.php?p=188078#p188078
confocaloid wrote: ↑June 21st, 2024, 4:56 am[...]
When adding the wikitext, try to insert a pair of "nowiki" tags inside the problematic substring, and see if that helps:Code: Select all
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"In the news" July 26 entry on 86P118 still doesn't link to the article about that object.
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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!
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vilc wrote: ↑August 20th, 2024, 9:35 amThe section "Still life syntheses" on the page Glider synthesis was recently updated, but most statistics about pseudo still lifes are erroneous. Apparently, Catagolue's definition of a "pseudo" object was used, which includes quasi still lifes and constellations.
For example, all pseudo still lifes with 17 bits or less areconstructible with strictly less than one glider per bit, but this is not what the table and the notes say.
Another edit updated the statistics, but unfortunately it's unclear whether or not errors were corrected (the edit summary doesn't seem to mention in any way existence of this discussion):vilc wrote: ↑August 20th, 2024, 10:37 amThe figures about quasi still lifes look normal (although I didn't check those). I was specifically talking about pseudo still lifes in this edit by DroneBetter : https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=153714
For a long time I suspected that statistics about pseudo still lifes were wrong, but I wasn't sure because they change quickly.
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=154288
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From https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Oblique_spaceship:
In December 2014, Brett Berger constructed the first fast oblique spaceship in Conway's Game of Life, the waterbear, moving at a velocity of (23,5)c/79. It has a bounding box very slightly smaller than the parallel HBK. With a period of 158, it is the lowest-period oblique spaceship other than Sir Robin.
is no longer true: we have a (34,7)c/156 spaceship
apologies for the bad formatting.
EDIT by dvgrn: adjusted wording to acknowledge this.
In December 2014, Brett Berger constructed the first fast oblique spaceship in Conway's Game of Life, the waterbear, moving at a velocity of (23,5)c/79. It has a bounding box very slightly smaller than the parallel HBK. With a period of 158, it is the lowest-period oblique spaceship other than Sir Robin.
is no longer true: we have a (34,7)c/156 spaceship
apologies for the bad formatting.
EDIT by dvgrn: adjusted wording to acknowledge this.
I have discovered SKOP for 105, 115, 188, 476, 492 and gun_ and guntrue_ for 226, 339, 752.
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Currently, the page Hexagonal neighbourhood incorrectly attributes the existing rulestring notation for two-state isotropic cellular automata with honeycomb neighbourhood. See details in the forum post viewtopic.php?p=193449#p193449
See also another post in Basic questions viewtopic.php?p=193451#p193451
See also another post in Basic questions viewtopic.php?p=193451#p193451
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Period1GliderGun wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2024, 12:32 pmp42 pentadecathlon/interchange hassler:Code: Select all
x = 32, y = 33, rule = B3/S23 b4o17b3o$o3bo9b2o5bo2bo2b2o$o4bo8b2o4b2ob2o2b2o$bobob2o13bobo$5bobo$4b 2o2bo$2o2bo$4bo2b2o11bobo$o2b2o9b2o4b2ob2o2b2o$bobo10b2o5bo2bo2b2o$2b 2obobo14b3o$3bo4bo$4bo3bo$4b4o2$13bo4bo$11b2ob4ob2o$13bo4bo2$24b4o$23b o3bo$23bo4bo$7b3o14bobob2o$3b2o2bo2bo5b2o10bobo$3b2o2b2ob2o4b2o9b2o2b o$9bobo11b2o2bo$27bo2b2o$23bo2b2o$24bobo$9bobo13b2obobo$3b2o2b2ob2o4b 2o8bo4bo$3b2o2bo2bo5b2o9bo3bo$7b3o17b4o!
Does this P42 pentadecathlon/interchange hassler merit mention on the Pentadecathlon page?
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From what I've known when I was here, the LifeWiki should be mostly focused on CGoL itself and should not contain too much content about other rules, so I put most of the LeapLife pages under my userpage. I don't know how things have changed after I left (now there's a new subforum for LifeWiki, I assume it changed a lot), so I don't have much objection on this.confocaloid wrote: ↑May 15th, 2024, 12:49 amOnly if the initial contributor(s) explicitly agree to the idea. Some userpages may not be up-to-date. Some userpages may go against formatting/style guidelines. Some userpages were not intended to be moved into mainspace to begin with.DroneBetter wrote: ↑May 14th, 2024, 1:29 pm[...] Should these status pages be moved from their respective userspaces to subpages of their subject rules? [...]
No matter what is the current state of the page, it should be the decision of the initial contributor(s) whether or not the page can be moved.
The only argument I have is LifeWiki is supposed to be reliable, but the page mainly consists of my own qfind search results and I have no idea what searches have other contributors finished (unless they turn up with a result), and I can make mistakes myself, so it might not be accurate.
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The wiki is still supposed to be mostly focused on CGoL and closely related topics.Hunting wrote: ↑September 25th, 2024, 6:29 am[...] From what I've known when I was here, the LifeWiki should be mostly focused on CGoL itself and should not contain too much content about other rules, so I put most of the LeapLife pages under my userpage. I don't know how things have changed after I left (now there's a new subforum for LifeWiki, I assume it changed a lot), so I don't have much objection on this.
However, there is now a separate namespace (OCA:) for non-CGoL topics.
(As a somewhat related side note, many of the "In other rules" sections across the wiki look and feel like collections of tangentially relevant or irrelevant trivia. I think such information should instead go to the wiki page of the corresponding CA, assuming the CA itself is a notable topic, and also assuming the claim is notable in the context of that CA. Otherwise, most of remaining pieces of trivia should just be removed from the wiki, because either the CA is non-notable, or the claim is non-notable even in the correct context for that claim.)
A step towards being more reliable, would be to make the page verifiable, by adding sources (footnotes with links) for any nontrivial claims / nontrivial data that's given in the page.Hunting wrote: ↑September 25th, 2024, 6:29 am[...] The only argument I have is LifeWiki is supposed to be reliable, but the page mainly consists of my own qfind search results and I have no idea what searches have other contributors finished (unless they turn up with a result), and I can make mistakes myself, so it might not be accurate.
As long as there are links to sources, any errors found in the wiki page can be tracked to corresponding errors in the source. That's certainly a better situation, compared to having an error but being unable to find out where it came from.
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There always is. But there were objections to clutter the OCA namespace with your own rules, anyway, at least I thought there were.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 25th, 2024, 7:38 amThe wiki is still supposed to be mostly focused on CGoL and closely related topics.
However, there is now a separate namespace (OCA:) for non-CGoL topics.
In any case, it's not a good idea to allow creating OCA rule pages without having a notability criteria. I don't know if it exists now.
Sources (like claims in forum posts) are equally reliable as wiki edits, in this case IMO.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 25th, 2024, 7:38 amA step towards being more reliable, would be to make the page verifiable, by adding sources (footnotes with links) for any nontrivial claims / nontrivial data that's given in the page.
As long as there are links to sources, any errors found in the wiki page can be tracked to corresponding errors in the source. That's certainly a better situation, compared to having an error but being unable to find out where it came from.
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When someone tries to add to the wiki some claim without linking to any source(s), that basically means either:
(a) they are trying to document their own discoveries/inventions/observations/etc. (which goes against LW:NB)
(b) they are adding something they took from some source, while failing to mention what the source was. This makes it unnecessarily hard for other people (including readers and editors) to understand "where it comes from" and "whether it is correct".
If there is a footnote referring to some source external to the wiki (maybe a forum post by someone else; maybe a web page; maybe a book or a published paper, etc.), that makes it easier to understand where the claims/the data come from, to verify claims/data that are correct, and to either fix or remove claims/data that aren't.
I think the bottom line is that editors are supposed to collect and document some knowledge that was already available elsewhere (as opposed to creating/inventing new knowledge and putting it directly to the wiki).
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https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137
Unexplained removal of the nontriviality condition ("at least one cell oscillates at the full period")
More generally, very many changes across the wiki that don't look like improvements, and don't have any edit summaries that would explain the reason for those changes.
Unexplained removal of the nontriviality condition ("at least one cell oscillates at the full period")
More generally, very many changes across the wiki that don't look like improvements, and don't have any edit summaries that would explain the reason for those changes.
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There are no p2 or p19 cells in Raucci's p38, so a trivial oscillator involving it is impossible.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 9:05 amhttps://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137
Unexplained removal of the nontriviality condition ("at least one cell oscillates at the full period")
More generally, very many changes across the wiki that don't look like improvements, and don't have any edit summaries that would explain the reason for those changes.
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries
Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
Periods discovered:
All evens up to 128 except 52,58,78,82,92,94,98,104,118,122
5-15,㉕-㉛,㉟㊺,51,63,65,73,75
1㊳㊵㊹㊼㊽,54,56,72,74,80,90,92
217,240,300,486,576
Guns: 20,21,32,54,55,57,114,117,124,126
SKOPs: 32,74,76,102,196
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After the linked change, the page claims
Or maybe there are known lower-population trivial p190 oscillators? (Not necessarily involving Raucci's p38.)
Is this obvious? If so, how/why?
Is any of this even relevant, considering that most pages with sections "LCM oscillators" explicitly require nontriviality?
The linked content removal by Galoomba changes the meaning in a nontrivial and unexplained way. I don't see it as an improvement. I think the page should be reverted to say explicitly "while also satisfying the condition that at least one cell oscillates at the full period".
The shown oscillator is a p190. Is it really "the smallest known oscillator of its period" when the nontriviality restriction is dropped?diff=155975&oldid=152137 wrote:The [[LCM oscillator]]s below are the smallest known oscillators of their period by population.
Or maybe there are known lower-population trivial p190 oscillators? (Not necessarily involving Raucci's p38.)
Is this obvious? If so, how/why?
Is any of this even relevant, considering that most pages with sections "LCM oscillators" explicitly require nontriviality?
The linked content removal by Galoomba changes the meaning in a nontrivial and unexplained way. I don't see it as an improvement. I think the page should be reverted to say explicitly "while also satisfying the condition that at least one cell oscillates at the full period".
hotdogPi wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 10:01 amThere are no p2 or p19 cells in Raucci's p38, so a trivial oscillator involving it is impossible.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 9:05 amhttps://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137
Unexplained removal of the nontriviality condition ("at least one cell oscillates at the full period")
More generally, very many changes across the wiki that don't look like improvements, and don't have any edit summaries that would explain the reason for those changes.
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Although the claim is obviously incorrect, below is given an explicit counterexample:hotdogPi wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 10:01 amThere are no p2 or p19 cells in Raucci's p38, so a trivial oscillator involving it is impossible.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 9:05 amhttps://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137
Unexplained removal of the nontriviality condition ("at least one cell oscillates at the full period") [...]
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#C A trivial p114 oscillator involving Raucci's p38
x = 44, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
17b3o3b3o2$15bo4bobo4bo$15bo4bobo4bo$15bo4bobo4bo$17b3o3b3o2$17b3o3b3o
$15bo4bobo4bo$15bo4bobo4bo$15bo4bobo4bo2$17b3o3b3o10$o42bo$3o38b3o$3bo
36bo$2b2o36b2o3$13b2o14b2o$14bo14bo$b3o3b2o3b2o16b2o3b2o3b3o$7b2o3bo
18bo3b2o$5bo32bo$5bo32bo$5bo32bo!
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x = 51, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bobo$5bo$5bobo42bo$2bo2bob3o38b3o$bob2o5bo36bo$bo7b2o36b2o$2o2$
20b2o14b2o$21bo14bo$8b3o3b2o3b2o16b2o3b2o3b3o$14b2o3bo18bo3b2o$12bo32b
o$12bo32bo$12bo32bo!
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#C 58P190
x = 33, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
5b2o12bo$b3o2bo11bo2bo$4b2o12bo2bo2bo$o19bo3bo$o23bo$4b2o$b3o2bo$5bo$
6b3o$9bo14bo$8b2o14b2o$23b2o2$14b2o$13b2o14b2o$14bo14bo$30b3o$32bo3$
14bo$14bo3bo$14bo2bo2bo$17bo2bo$19bo!
The oscillator 62P190 shown in the page may or may not be the smallest known nontrivial p190 oscillator (in other words, it may or may not be "the smallest known one by population, while also satisfying the condition that at least one cell oscillates at the full period").
However, it is definitely not "the smallest known oscillator of its period by population", despite the wiki page claiming so after the linked change.
127:1 B3/S234c User:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
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Unlikely events happen.
My silence does not imply agreement, nor indifference. If I disagreed with something in the past, then please do not construe my silence as something that could change that.
Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits
This seems like an easy obvious one to roll back, so I've done that -- simplifying the wording slightly to match what's in Beluchenko's p13.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 2:02 pmThe latter example above (58P190) illustrates how the unexplained content removal in ( https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137 ) transformed a possibly-correct claim into a certainly-incorrect claim.
If anyone wants to improve the standardized wording at the top of "LCM oscillators" sections, it looks like it all started out as a boilerplate phrase copy/pasted across a lot of different articles (looks like that's just a small sampling). If the wording needs to change significantly, it'd probably be good if it changed everywhere.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits
I think further changes ( such as edits https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152450, https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=155973, https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=153740 by User:Galoomba) need to stop immediately, until and unless there's some observable consensus regarding what "the ideal wording" should be.
dvgrn wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 5:16 pmThis seems like an easy obvious one to roll back, so I've done that -- simplifying the wording slightly to match what's in Beluchenko's p13.confocaloid wrote: ↑September 29th, 2024, 2:02 pmThe latter example above (58P190) illustrates how the unexplained content removal in ( https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=152137 ) transformed a possibly-correct claim into a certainly-incorrect claim.
If anyone wants to improve the standardized wording at the top of "LCM oscillators" sections, it looks like it all started out as a boilerplate phrase copy/pasted across a lot of different articles (looks like that's just a small sampling). If the wording needs to change significantly, it'd probably be good if it changed everywhere.
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127:1 B3/S234c User:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
Unlikely events happen.
My silence does not imply agreement, nor indifference. If I disagreed with something in the past, then please do not construe my silence as something that could change that.
Unlikely events happen.
My silence does not imply agreement, nor indifference. If I disagreed with something in the past, then please do not construe my silence as something that could change that.