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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Chris857 » March 18th, 2024, 11:13 pm

I just messed up when I moved RLE:P21honeyfarmhassler3 to https://conwaylife.com/wiki/RLE:P14honeyfarmhassler (the "p21" was a p14). But I didn't realize that RLE:P14honeyfarmhassler already exists (along with "2", "3", and "hasslers"), but aren't used in https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Period-14_h ... m_hasslers. So could someone fix some history, but also maybe use the existing RLEs?

I also wanted to add https://discord.com/channels/3579222555 ... 8434601131 to the list of p14 HF hasslers.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » March 19th, 2024, 2:09 am

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=147201
The added note is incorrect and confusing. Emus are not relevant in this context.

Being a dependent conduit has nothing to do with existence of additional outputs. See Lx200 for an example of a dependent conduit that has an additional glider output.
Further, many dependent conduits based on the transparent block reaction have the SW10T108 glider output (described relative to the place where the input Herschel would appear if the transparent block was removed).

The following pattern is an example of a closed Herschel track composed of four dependent conduits (2 x Lx200 + 2 x Rx262), with one Herschel placed on the track to turn it into a p924 glider gun.

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x = 101, y = 103, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8b3o$11bo$10b2o8b2o$20bo$18bobo$18b2o$4b2o77b2o$4b2o77bo$56b2o23bo
bo$57bo23b2o$57bobo$4b2o52b2o$4b2o3$93bo$91b3o$28b2obo58bo$28b2ob3o56b
2o$33bo15b2o$33bo15b2o2$99b2o$99b2o3$52b2ob2o$53bob2o9b2o$53bo12b2o$
52b2o4$20bob2o$20b2obo3$4bob2o$4b2obo76b2o$84b2o$13b2o$13b2o69b2o$85bo
$85b3o14$13b3o$15bo$15b2o69b2o$86b2o$15b2o$15b2o76bob2o$93b2obo3$77bob
2o$77b2obo4$47b2o$33b2o12bo$33b2o9b2obo$44b2ob2o3$2o$2o2$46bo3b2o15bo$
46b2o2b2o15bo$9b2o36b2o18b3ob2o$10bo35b2o21bob2o$7b3o$7bo3$95b2o$41b2o
52b2o$41bobo$18b2o23bo$17bobo23b2o$17bo77b2o$16b2o77b2o$81b2o$80bobo$
80bo$79b2o8b2o$89bo$90b3o$92bo!
#C [[ MAXGRIDSIZE 9 THEME Catagolue ]]
The following true period 308 glider gun is made by placing three Herschels on the same track, capping three out of four barrels, and replacing boat-bits with glider eaters:

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x = 101, y = 103, rule = B3/S23
60bo31bo$60b3o27b3o$63bo25bo$62b2o15b2o8b2o$80bo$80bobo$81b2o$16b2o77b
2o$17bo77b2o$17bobo23b2o$18b2o23bo$41bobo$41b2o52b2o$95b2o3$7bo45bo4bo
$7b3o37b3o2b2o4bo2b2o$10bo40bo5bo5bo7b2o26b2o$9b2o41b2o4bobo2b2o6b2o
26bo$50bo7bo3b2o33bobo$49bo3b2o5b3o34b2o$50b2ob2o$2o$2o3$47b2o$33b2o
12bo$33b2o14bo$48b2o2$46b4o$46bo3bo$49b2o26b2obo$77bob2o3$93b2obo$15b
2o76bob2o$15b2o$86b2o$86b2o18$13b2o$13b2o$77b3o4b2o$4b2obo69bo6b2o$4bo
b2o6b3o61bo$13bo2bo$12bo$20b2obo$11bo2bo5bob2o26b2o$14bo35bo3bo$10bo
40b4o20b2o$13bo60b4o6b2o$10bo40b2o20b5o5b2obo$11b3o37bo14b2o4b2o7b3ob
3o6b2o$53bo12b2o4b2o8bo3bo5b2o2bo$52b2o16bo2bo5b2o2bobo7bo2b2o$69bo5b
2o2b3o6b2obobob2o$69b2o5b5o8bob3ob2o$70bo5b5obo10b2o4b2o$76bo5b2o15b2o
$70bo3bo6bo2bo$2b2o45b2o21b3o7bobo$bobo45b2o21bob2o6b2o$bo26b2o46bo13b
2o$2o26b2o44b2o14bo$74bo16b3o$93bo3$4b2o$4b2o52b2o$57bobo$57bo23b2o$
56b2o23bobo$4b2o77bo$4b2o77b2o$18b2o$18bobo$20bo$10b2o8b2o$11bo28bo$8b
3o30bo$8bo30b3o!
#C [[ MAXGRIDSIZE 9 THEME Catagolue ]]
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » March 20th, 2024, 12:52 am

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=146004
In 68P16, the hassled reaction consists (at some point) of four blocks and four wings. It never consists of "wings and nothing else". So this oscillator is not a wing hassler, and should not be added to the page.

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=128685
The template should go after the External links section, not before.

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=131734
(1) Cleanup/copyedit needed ("infinitely extended" --> "arbitrarily extended"; remove space before footnote; remove space in refname)
(2) Keep in mind that the article is about a specific induction coil (and not about all various things that are somehow similar to it, or various things that involve parts that are somehow similar to it). I doubt the added pattern belongs to that specific article.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by rowett » March 20th, 2024, 9:29 am

There are several rules (2 empty, 9 invalid) in the Rule: namespace that have issues. See the report below:

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LifeViewer rule repository update
CPU Threads     32
CPU Time (sec)  300
Download Batch  10
Timeout History 14
Validate Only   0

Downloading rule list from LifeWiki Rule namespace:
Page 1 (-lbs4c to Bricklife2)
Page 2 (Bricklife3 to Fredkin_mod7_triangularVonNeumann_emulated)
Page 3 (Fredkin mod7 vonNeumann to MCWaterTest1)
Page 4 (MCell-Crawlers to Revfour)
Page 5 (Revolver to UDirMCSlime)
Page 6 (Uca-20170118 to Zygorax)
Found 1892 rules

Checking for new rules:
[Download]      1776    WWLifeUc
[Download]      1889    ZombieLife
[No @RULE]      1776    WWLifeUc        ./downloads/output.1776
[No @RULE]      1889    ZombieLife      ./downloads/output.1889

Update summary:
[Download]      2
[No @RULE]      2
[Existing]      1858
[Redirect]      18
[Skipped]       14      (previously timed out)

9 invalid rules:
0%  0 / 9
[FAILED]           8         Moore  3Seeds
    // NOT THAT SIMPLE Live, Any1,Any2,Any3,Any4, Any5,Any6,Any7,Any8, 0
[FAILED]           8         Moore  B-UnivLg
    one or more of n_states, neighborhood or symmetries missing
[FAILED]           3         Moore  KillerLife
    var a={0,1,2,3,4,5,6} - state value out of range
[FAILED]           3         Moore  Life_w_o_death_killer_WWelectrons
    var a = {0,1,2,3} - state value out of range
[FAILED]           3         Moore  Lifewithfourcell
    unsupported symmetries
[FAILED]          28         Moore  Wire12allpermutations
    unsupported symmetries
[FAILED]          28         Moore  Wire12allpermutationsb
    unsupported symmetries
[FAILED]          29         Moore  Wire1allpermutations
    unsupported symmetries
[FAILED]          28         Moore  Wire1allpermutationsb
    unsupported symmetries

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Sokwe » March 22nd, 2024, 4:52 am

When looking through honey-farm-hasslers.rle in the Golly pattern collection, I noticed that many of them aren't on the honey farm hasslers or honey farm shuttles wiki pages. Here are the patterns that seem like they should be added:

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x = 488, y = 435, rule = B3/S23
35b2o6b2o$31b2obobo6bobob2o$29bo2bobo10bobo2bo$29b2o2bobo8bobo2b2o2$
34bo2bo4bo2bo$35bo3b2o3bo$37b6o$38b4o325bo$32b3o10b3o318b2o75bo5bo$32b
5ob4ob5o296b2o3b2o14bob2o73b3o3b3o$35bo8bo299b2o3b2o13b3o2bo71bobobobo
bobo$36bo6bo310b2o10bobobo69b2obobobobob2o$2o4b2obo17bo2b2o5bo4bo6b2o
264b2obo6b2obo25b2o3b2o6bobobo51b2o15bob4ob4obo15b2o$bo4bob2o16bobo2bo
7b2o7bo2bo263bob2o6bob2o16b2o7bobo2b2o7bo2b3o50bo15b5o3b5o15bo$o3b2o4b
2o14bobobo17bobo2bo2bo262b2o8b2o12b2obo3b2o3b2o12b2obo50bo45bo$2o2bo5b
o14b2obob2o7bo7b2obob5o262bo9bo13b3o4b2o18b2o33b2o15bob3o7bo23bo7b3obo
15b2o$5bo5bo12bo3bo2bo6bobo6bo2bo269bo9bo39bo34b2obo6b2o5bo2bo7bobo8b
2ob2o8bobo7bo2bo5b2o6bob2o$2o2b2o4b2o11bob2o2b3o5bo3bo5b3o2b3o264b2o8b
2o28b2o4bo43bo5bobob2ob2o3bo5bobo7bobobobo7bobo5bo3b2ob2obobo5bo$bo2bo
5bo12bo4b4o5bo3bo5b4o4bo259b2obo6b2obo17b2o6b2o3b2o3bobo39bo10bobobo2b
3obo3b2o2b2o6bo3bo6b2o2b2o3bob3o2bobobo10bo$o4bo5bo12b3o2b3o5bo3bo5b3o
2b2obo259bob2o6bob2o12b2o3b2o6b2o9bo2b3o3b2o31bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bo
bo19bobo2bobobo3bobo3b2o5b2obo$2o2b2o4b2o16bo2bo6bobo6bo2bo3bo264b2o2b
2o16b2o31b2o33b2o3b2obo5bob2o2bob2obobo19bobob2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b2o$4bo
5bo11b5obob2o7bo7b2obob2o265bo3bo43bo46bobo3b2obo2b2obobo2bob2o10bo6b
2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$2o3bo5bo10bo2bo2bobo17bobobo267bo3bo25b2o4b3o
56bo2bo6bobo2b3o5bo9bo5bo5b3o2bobo6bo2bo$bo2b2o4b2o15bo2bo7b2o7bo2bobo
266b2o2b2o20b2o3b2o3bob2o9bobo45b9o4bo3b2o3bo4bo5bo4bo3b2o3bo4b9o$o5b
2obo18b2o6bo4bo5b2o2bo263b2obo6b2obo12b2o2bobo7b2o17b2o3b2o57bo3bobo9b
o$2o4bob2o25bo6bo272bob2o6bob2o12b2o3b2o18b2o6b2o3b2o35b9o4bo3b2o3bo2b
2ob2o8bo3b2o3bo4b9o$34bo8bo302b2o17b2obo5b2o8b2o29bo2bo6bobo2b3o5bo3bo
bo9bo5b3o2bobo6bo2bo$31b5ob4ob5o304b2o3b2o6bo3bo5b3o6bo2b5o23bobo3b2ob
o2b2obobo2bob2o5bo5bo5b2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$31b3o10b3o304b2o3b2o6bo
b2o6bobo7bo2b4o18b2o3b2obo5bob2o2bob2obobo11bo7bobob2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b
2o$37b4o324b2o6bo2bo3b2o3b3o19bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bobo11bo7bobo2bobo
bo3bobo3b2o5b2obo$36b6o331bobo4b2o24bo10bobobo2b3obo3b2o2b2o17b2o2b2o
3bob3o2bobobo10bo$34bo3b2o3bo330bo34bo5bobob2ob2o3bo5bobo21bobo5bo3b2o
b2obobo5bo$33bo2bo4bo2bo344b2o14b2obo6b2o5bo2bo7bobo8bo3bo8bobo7bo2bo
5b2o6bob2o$376b2o6b2o3b2o14b2o15bob3o7bo8bobobobo8bo7b3obo15b2o$28b2o
2bobo8bobo2b2o321b2o3b2o6b2o37bo20b2ob2o20bo$28bo2bobo10bobo2bo310b2o
9b2o51bo43bo$30b2obobo6bobob2o308b2o2b2o2b2o21bo35b2o43b2o$34b2o6b2o
312bobo2bo2b2o14b2o4bobo51b5o3b5o$357b3o14b3o3b2o3bo2bo51bob4ob4obo$
358b2o11b4o2bo7bobo52b2obobobobob2o$371b5o2bo6b3o53bobobobobobo$376b2o
8b2o54b3o3b3o$381b2o3b2o55bo5bo$381b2o3b2o7$32b2o5bo$30bo2bo3b3o$2o4b
2o22b3o3bo$bo5bo28b2o$o5bo21b3o10b2o$2o4b2o19bo2bo10bo$27b2o4b3o3bobo
337bo$2o4b2o24bo3bo2b2o338b3o14b2o$bo5bo23bo5bo344bo13bo$o5bo24bo5bo
343b2o11bobo$2o4b2o23bo5bo356b2o$28b2o2bo3bo$2o4b2o19bobo3b3o4b2o347b
2o$bo5bo19bo10bo2bo346bo2bo$o5bo19b2o10b3o347bo2bo$2o4b2o23b2o282b2obo
4bob2o44b2o14bo2b2o$32bo3b3o276bob2o4b2obo45bo14bobo$29b3o3bo2bo280b2o
6b2o43bobo12b3o4b2o$29bo5b2o282bo8bo44b2o4b3o12bobo$320bo6bo51bobo14bo
$319b2o6b2o48b2o2bo14b2o$315b2obo6b2o50bo2bo$315bob2o7bo50bo2bo$319b2o
4bo52b2o$319bo5b2o$320bo2b2o$319b2o3bo37b2o22b2o$315b2obo4bo27bo11bo
22bo$315bob2o4b2o26b3o9bobo21b3o$354bo9b2o8b3o12bo$353bo19bo3bo$353bo
2bo15bo5bo$372bo5bo$354bo17bo5bo$67bob2o283b3o2bo13bo3bo2b2o$30b2o10b
2o23b2obo286b2obo13b3o3bobo$29bo2bo8bo2bo20b2o8bo267b2o12b2obo21bo$29b
3o2b6o2b3o19bo3b2o5b3o266bo14bo22b2o$32b2o6b2o22bob2obo3b2o3bo265bobo
19b2o$31bo10bo22bo2bo3bobo2b2o8b2o256b2o19bobo$2o4b2obo21b2obo4bob2o
25b2o2bo14bo9b2obo252bo14bo9b2o$bo4bob2o16bo9b2o30b5obo5bo4bobo9bob2o
251bob2o12b2o8bobo$o9b2o14bo41bo3b3o4bobo3b2o5bo8b2o249bob2o24bo$2o8bo
15bobo9bo28bo6b2o2bo3bo7b3o5b2o3bo249bo2b3o21b2o$11bo14bob2o2bo4bobo
10b3o14b2o4b3o2bo3bo6bo3b2o3bob2obo254bo$2o8b2o16b2o2b3obo3bo9b3o14bo
6b2o2bo3bo6b2o2bobo3bo2bo$bo4b2obo22bo3bo3bo4b3o3bo16bo3b3o4bobo13bo2b
2o245b2o9bo2bo$o5bob2o14bo2b2o7bo3bo3b5obo17b5obo5bo6bo5bob5o244bobo
12bo$2o2b2o17bobo2bo8bobo5b4o2bo16b2o2bo13bobo4b3o3bo244bo13bo$4bo18bo
2b2o10bo9bob2obo11bo2bo3bobo2b2o6bo3bo2b2o6bo242b2o14b3o$2o3bo16b2o25b
o2bobo9bob2obo3b2o3bo6bo3bo2b3o4b2o260bo$bo2b2o44b2o2bo9bo3b2o5b3o7bo
3bo2b2o6bo$o5b2obo29b3o12b2o9b2o8bo5b2o3bobo4b3o3bo$2o4bob2o24b2o2bo3b
o2b2o20b2obo9bobo4bo5bob5o$34b2obo5bob2o20bob2o9bo14bo2b2o$38bo3bo36b
2o8b2o2bobo3bo2bo$39b3o47bo3b2o3bob2obo$90b3o5b2o3bo$92bo8b2o$37b2o3bo
54bob2o258bo$38bo3b2o53b2obo258b3o$35b3o4b2o318bo$35bo7bo317bo$360bo4b
4o$360bobo$361b2ob3o$355b2o7b2o4b2o$355bobo12b2o$315b2o3b2o4b2obo22b2o
bobo$315b2o3b2o4bob2o22bobobo6b3o5bo$324b2o4b2o22bo9bo5bobo$315b2o3b2o
2bo5bo14bo6bo2bo8bo4bo2bo$315bobobobo3bo5bo12bobo8bo12bo2bo$35b3o279bo
bo4b2o4b2o12bobo4bo3bo$36bo279b2obo4bo5bo12b2ob2o7bo12bo2bo$36bo283b2o
3bo5bo12bo10bo14b2o8b2o$35b3o283bo2b2o4b2o12b2o6bobo2b2o19bo3bo$320bo
3bo5bo11b2obob2o3bo4bobo18bobobo$35b3o282b2o3bo5bo8bo2bobo2b4o6bo16b2o
2b2obob2o$35b3o283bo2b2o4b2o8b2obob2o2b2o23b4o2bobo2bo$2o5bob2o309bo5b
2obo13bobobo14b3o8bo3b2obob2o$bo5b2obo24b3o8bo273b2o4bob2o13bo3bo13bo
3bo5bobo6b2o$o4b2o29bo7b3o297b2o8b2o4bo5bo3bo10bo$2o4bo29bo6bo310b2o5b
o3bo4bo7b2ob2o$5bo24b2o3b3o5b2o56b2o259b3o5bo3bo4bobo$2o3b2o23b2o49b3o
5b2o6bo4bo252bo14bo8bobo$bo5bob2o30bo28b2o8bo3bo4bobo3b3o2bo253bobo4bo
8bo2bo6bo$o6b2obo29bobo27bo2b2o4bo5bo5bo2bo3b4o7b2o242bo2bo4bo9bo$2o9b
2o10b2o14bo3bo27b2ob2o3bo5bo4b2obob3o4bob2o4bo241bo2bo4b3o6bobobo$12bo
11bo14bo3bo30b2o3bo5bo3bo3bo3bob3ob2o2bo2bob2o254bobob2o$2o9bo12bobo
12bo3bo30b2o4bo3bo4bo3bo5bo2bobo3bobo2bo238bo2bo12bobo$bo9b2o12b2o3bo
9bobo28b2ob2o5b3o5bo3b3o4b2o2bo3bob2o242b2o4b2o7b2o$o6bob2o18bob2o8bo
3bo24bo2b2o14bo4bobo4bob2obobo250b3ob2o$2o5b2obo18bo3bo10bobo6b2ob2o
12b2o17b2o4b3o4bobobobo254bobo$30b2obo9bo3bo9bo31b3o2bo3bo2b2obob2o
249b4o4bo$32bo10bo3bo4bo2b2o33bobob2o2b2o2bobo259bo$43bo3bo5b3o35b2o2b
o3bo2bobo258bo$44bobo6b3o39bob2obob2o260b3o$33b2o10bo6bo2b2o20b8o6b4ob
o3bo265bo$33bo23bo19bob4obo6bo2bo2bob2o$34b3o5b2o9b2ob2o19b8o10b2o$36b
o6bo383b2o$40b3o384bobo$40bo388bo$425b4ob2obo$425bo2bobob2o$429b2o$
410b2o18bob2o$404b2o5b3o19bo$403bo2bo2bo4bo16b2o3b2o$403bobo2bob4obo
14bobobo2bo$402b2o2b3obo4bo2bo7b4o2bob2o$403bobo3bo2bo2bobobo6bobo2b2o
$403bob2ob2o2bob2ob2o4b2obobobo2b3o5bob2o$27b2o372bob2o5b2o4bo6bob2ob
5o2bo4bob2o5b2o$24bo375bobo3bob2o2b3obob3o6bo4bo7bo4bo2bo2bo$23bobo2b
2o370bo2bob2obo2bo2b2ob2o2bo2b2obob3o6b2ob4obo2bobo$21bobob3o2bo314b2o
54b2o7b2o8bo2bob5o7bobo4bob3o2b2o$21bo2b6o314bo2bo73b2o14bobo2bo2bo3bo
bo$24b2ob2o12bo273b2o3b2o4b2obo13bobobo6b2o77b2ob2ob2obo2b2ob2obo$2o5b
2obo12b6o2bo7b3o273b2o3b2o4bob2o13bobob2o4bo2bo8b3o4bo6b2o52bo4bo4b2o
5b2obo$bo5bob2o11bo2b3obobo6bo291b2o9b2obobo2bo2b2ob2o14bobo6bo53b3obo
b3o2b2obo3bobo$o4b2o16b2o2bobo8b2o275b2o3b2o8bo10bo2bo3b3o2bobo8bobobo
3bo7bob2o3b2o47b2ob2o2bo2bob2obo2bo$2o3bo22bo286bobobobo9bo6b2obo2bobo
2bo4bo9b2ob2o12bobo4bo26b3o8bo16b2o7b2o$6bo17b2o9b3o279bobo10b2o6bo2b
2o4b2o13b4o3b2o12bob3o27bobo7bobo$2o3b2o27bo3bo277b2obo6b2obo9b2o4bobo
13bo3b2o2bo2bo5bo3bo2bo29b3o6bo3bo$bo5b2obo22bo5bo280b2o4bob2o11bobobo
bo13bo6bobobo3bo2bo2bo2bo29b3o6bo3bo$o6bob2o22bo5bo281bo2b2o15bo4bo25b
o2b2o38b3o6bo3bo$2o3b2o4b2o14b2o4bo5bo280bo3bo17b4o7b2o14b2o2bo41b3o7b
obo$5bo5bo14b4o4bo3bo2b2o277b2o3bo28bo5bo2bo2bo2bo3bobobo6bo30bobo8bo
10b3o$2o4bo5bo12b2ob3o4b3o3bobo277bo2b2o16b2o7b3o6bo2bo3bo5bo2bo2b2o3b
o30b3o10bo8bobo$bo3b2o4b2o11b3o3bo12bo276bo5b2obo12b2o7bo6b3obo12b2o3b
4o43bobo7b3o$o6b2obo11bobo5b3o3b2o5b2o275b2o4bob2o27bo4bobo12b2ob2o44b
o3bo6b3o$2o5bob2o10bob2ob3obo326b2o3b2obo7bo3bobobo44bo3bo6b3o$22b2o3b
2o5bo3bo326bo6bobo51bo3bo6b3o$34bo4bo325b2o6bo4b3o46bobo7bobo$22b2o3b
2o7bobobo360b2o7b2o16bo8b3o$21bob2ob3obo6bobobo358bo2bob2obo2bo2b2ob2o
$22bobo5b3o5bo4bo356bobo3bob2o2b3obob3o$24b3o3bo8bo3bo357bob2o5b2o4bo
4bo$25b2ob3o372bob2ob2o2bob2ob2ob2o$26b4o10b2o361bobo3bo2bo2bobo14b2o$
27b2o373b2o2b3obo4bobo7b5obo2bo8b2o7b2o$403bobo2bob4ob2o6b3obob2o2bo2b
2ob2o2bo2bob2obo2bo$403bo2bo2bo4bo7bo4bo6b3obob3o2b2obo3bobo$404b2o5b
2obo4bo2b5ob2obo6bo4b2o5b2obo$410b2obo5b3o2bobobob2o4b2ob2obo2b2ob2obo
$422b2o2bobo6bobobo2bo2bo3bobo$419b2obo2b4o7bo2bo4bob3o2b2o$417bo2bobo
bo14bob4obo2bobo$417b2o3b2o16bo4bo2bo2bo$421bo19b3o5b2o$421b2obo18b2o$
424b2o$421b2obobo2bo$33b2o386bob2ob4o$32bo2bo16b2ob2o368bo$32bo2b2o7bo
7bo3bo7bo360bobo$33b3o7bobo4bobo3bobo14b2o351b2o$33b2o2b2o3b2ob2o3b2o
5b2o12b2o2bo$2b2obo6b2obo21b3o2b2ob2o14b3o7b2ob2o$2bob2o6bob2o18b2ob2o
2b3o17b2ob2o7b3o$6b2o8b2o11b2o3b2ob2o3b2o2b2o13bo2b2o12b2o$6bo9bo11bob
o4bobo7b3o14b2o14bobo$7bo9bo10bo7bo7b2o2bo4b2o17bo7bo$6b2o8b2o9b2o16bo
2bo3bo2bo24b2o$2b2obo6b2obo30b2o4b3o309b2o7bo$2bob2o6bob2o348b2o5b3o$
2o8b2o358bo8bo$o9bo359b2o5b3o$bo9bo42b3o4b2o313bo$2o8b2o15b2o24bo2bo3b
o2bo16b2o285b3o6b2o$2b2obo6b2obo12bo7bo17b2o4bo2b2o7bo7bo285bo3bo$2bob
2o6bob2o12bobo14b2o14b3o7bobo4bobo234b2o3b2o4b2obo35bo5bo$29b2o12b2o2b
o13b2o2b2o3b2ob2o3b2o235b2o3b2o4bob2o18bo3bo12bo5bo$33b3o7b2ob2o17b3o
2b2ob2o249b2o21bobo2b3o10bo5bo$33b2ob2o7b3o14b2ob2o2b3o243b2o3b2o2bo
22bobo5bo10bo3bo$33bo2b2o12b2o5b2o3b2ob2o3b2o2b2o239bobobobo3bo19b3ob
2o3b2o11b3o$34b2o14bobo3bobo4bobo7b3o241bobo4b2o18bo$44bo7bo3bo7bo7b2o
2bo239b2obo6b2obo15b3ob2o$52b2ob2o16bo2bo243b2o4bob2o17bob2o$74b2o245b
o2b2o4b2o38b2obo$320bo3bo5bo39b2ob3o$320b2o3bo5bo44bo$321bo2b2o4b2o19b
3o11b2o3b2ob3o$320bo5b2obo20bo3bo10bo5bobo$320b2o4bob2o19bo5bo10b3o2bo
bo$349bo5bo12bo3bo$349bo5bo$350bo3bo$343b2o6b3o$344bo$341b3o5b2o$341bo
8bo$347b3o5b2o$347bo7b2o$118bo$118b3o$54b2o7b2o56bo24b2o$55bo7bo56bo4b
2o19bobo$53bo11bo53bob2ob3o21bo$40b3o10b2o9b2o53bobobob2o14b2o4b2ob2ob
o$39bo14bo4bo4bo55bo9b2o9bobo5b2ob2o$39bo3bo7b3ob9ob3o53b3o7b2o10bo4bo
$39bo2bobo5bo2bo3bobobo3bo2bo53b3o3bo12bo3bo2bo$41bobo2bo3b2o15b2o53b
3o3b2o13bobob2o$42bo3bo9b2o3b2o59b3o4bo9bo3bo4bo35b2o8b2o150b2o$46bo
76bo12bobo3bo4b3o34bo2b6o2bo151bo13b2o$43b3o8b2ob2ob2ob2o71bo6bo4bo36b
2o6b2o152bobo11b2o$53bo5bo5bo29b2o39bob2o3bobob2o33b3o10b3o150b2o$2b2o
bo4b2o3b2o13bo2bo19b2obo5bob2o28bobo44bo3bo2bo32bo3bobo4bobo2bo4b2o$2b
ob2o4b2o3b2o16bo60bo38bobo7bo4bo28bo3bo2bo4b2o4b2o5bobo$6b2o21bo4bo9b
3o11bo30bob2ob2o4b2o30bo2bo5bobo5b2ob2o21b5obobo15b2obob3o108b2o3b2o4b
2obo23b3o11bo3b2obo$6bo3b2o3b2o12b2o2bobo7bo3bo41b2ob2o5bobo9b2o10b3o
6bo3bo4b2o4b2ob2obo15b2o3bo5bobo6b3o7bobo5bo3b2o102b2o3b2o4bob2o22bo3b
o9bobob5o$7bo2bobobobo17bob2o4bo5bo8b3o34bo4bo10b2o10bo3bo5bo3b2o10bo
20bo4bo2b2obo7bo3bo8bob2o2bo4bo111b2o4b2o19bo5bo9bo3bo2bo$6b2o4bobo27b
o5bo45bo2bo3bo12bo6bo5bo4bo3b2o10bo21b3obobobob2o5bo5bo6b2obobobob3o
103b2o3b2o2bo5bo20bo5bo13bobo$2b2obo5b2obo27bo5bo45b2obobo13b2o6bo5bo
4bo3bo4b2o4b2ob2obo18bobobobobo6bo5bo7bobobobobo105bobobobo3bo5bo19bo
5bo13b3o$2bob2o9b2o17bo2bo5bo3bo7bo38bo4bo3bo9bo7bo5bo4bo2bo5bobo5b2ob
2o19bo3b2o3b2o3bo5bo4b2o3b2o3bo108bobo4b2o4b2o16b2o2bo3bo16bo$2o14bo
17b2o8b3o8bo37b3o4bo3bobo15bo3bo6bobo7bo4bo28b2obo3bo3bo3bo4bo3bob2o
111b2obo6b2obo17bobo3b3o13b2o$o14bo26bo8b3o8b2o30bo4bo6bo16b3o15bo3bo
2bo19bo3b2o4bobo3bo4b3o5bo3bobo4b2o3bo106b2o4bob2o17bo16b2o4bobo$bo13b
2o25bo7bo3bo5bo2bo30b2obobo3b2obo29bob2o3bobob2o19bobob2o4bo5bo12bo5bo
4b2obobo107bo2b2o4b2o14b2o16b2o4b2o$2o14bo32bo5bo38bo2bo3bo15b3o16bo6b
o4bo19bo3b2o4bobo3bo12bo3bobo4b2o3bo106bo3bo5bo$2b2obo9bo33bo5bo38bo4b
o7bobo6bo3bo15bobo3bo4b3o27b2obo3bo12bo3bob2o115b2o3bo5bo$2bob2o9b2o
21b3o8bo5bo4b2obo25b2ob2o5bobo5bo2bo4bo5bo7bo9bo3bo4bo24bo3b2o3b2o5bo
8b2o3b2o3bo112bo2b2o4b2o18b2o$50bo3bo7bobo2b2o20bob2ob2o4b2o4bo3bo4bo
5bo6b2o13bobob2o23bobobobobo7b3o10bobobobobo110bo5b2obo19bobo$39bo11b
3o9bo4bo25bo10b2o3bo4bo5bo6bo12bo3bo2bo21b3obobobob2o6b3o9b2obobobob3o
108b2o4bob2o19bo$64bo29bo10b2o3bo5bo3bo10b2o10bo4bo20bo4bo2b2obo7b3o
10bob2o2bo4bo135b2o$32b2obo5bob2o19bo2bo21bob2ob2o4b2o4bo3bo6b3o10b2o
9bobo5b2ob2o15b2o3bo5bobo6b3o7bobo5bo3b2o$32bo5bo5bo44b2ob2o5bobo5bo2b
o30b2o4b2ob2obo21b3obob2o9bo6b2obob3o$33b2ob2ob2ob2o8b3o39bo4bo7bobo
38bo28bobo6b2obobobo8bobo$51bo42bo2bo3bo44bobo29b2o6b3ob2obo8b2o$35b2o
3b2o9bo3bo38b2obobo3b2obo39b2o38b2o4bo$29b2o15b2o3bo2bobo37bo4bo6bo84b
o$29bo2bo3bobobo3bo2bo5bobo2bo34b3o4bo3bobo12bo72b3o$30b3ob9ob3o7bo3bo
35bo4bo3bo9bo4b3o73bo$33bo4bo4bo14bo35b2obobo13b2o3b3o$32b2o9b2o10b3o
36bo2bo3bo12bo3b3o$32bo11bo49bo4bo10b2o7b3o$34bo7bo46b2ob2o5bobo9b2o9b
o$33b2o7b2o45bob2ob2o4b2o14b2obobobo$94bo21b3ob2obo$94bobo19b2o4bo$95b
2o24bo$122b3o$124bo234bo$357b3o$356bo8bo$344b2o10b2o5b3o$345bo16bo$
317b2obo4b2o3b2o13bobo5b3o6b2o$317bob2o4b2o3b2o14b2o4bo3bo$315b2o34bo
5bo$315bo9b2o3b2o19bo5bo$316bo8bobobobo19bo5bo$315b2o10bobo22bo3bo10b
2o$45bo3b2o3bo262b2obo5b2obo23b3o12bo$44bob2ob2ob2obo261bob2o9b2o31b2o
2bo$44bobo6bobo265b2o8bo31b2o2b2o$43b2obo2b2o2bob2o2b2o260bo8bo38bo$
42bo3bob4obo3bo2bo261bo7b2o31b2ob2o2bo$43bobo2bo2bo2bobo3bob2o257b2o8b
o31b2ob2ob2o$42b2ob2o6b2ob4obobo2b2o249b2obo9bo37bo$59bo3bobobo249bob
2o9b2o12b2o17b2ob3o$42b2ob2o6b2ob2obo3bobo279bo16bo2b2ob2o$43bobo2bo2b
o2bobo2bobo3b2o278bobo12bo2bo6bo$33b2o7bo3bob4obo3bo2b4o282b2o3b6o3b4o
b2obobo$34bo8b2obo2b2o2bob2o5bobo285bo6bo7bo2bob2o$34bobo7bobo6bobo7bo
285bo8bo3b2obo2bo$2b2obo4bob2o21b2o7bob2ob2ob2obo6b2o286bo6bo5bobob2o$
2bob2o4b2obo12b2o17bo3b2o3bo3b2ob2o283b2o3b6o3b3o3bo$6b2o6b2o10bo4bo
25bo4bo4bo277bobo12bo2b2obo$6bo8bo12bobobo25bo2bo3b3o277bo16bo2bo$7bo
6bo12b3o2bo25bo5bo279b2o17b2o$6b2o6b2o8b2o6bobo3b3o10b3o4b4o2b4o$2b2ob
o6b2o10bob4o3b2o2bo3bo8bo3bo4b2o6bo$2bob2o7bo12bo3bo5bo5bo6bo5bo9b2o$
2o10bo13b4o6bo5bo6bo5bo6b4o$o11b2o11b2o9bo5bo6bo5bo5bo3bo$bo8b2o12bo6b
2o4bo3bo8bo3bo2b2o3b4obo$2o9bo12b4o2b4o4b3o10b3o3bobo6b2o$2b2obo4bo16b
o5bo25bo2b3o$2bob2o4b2o12b3o3bo2bo25bobobo$24bo4bo4bo25bo4bo293bo3bobo
2bo$29b2ob2o3bo3b2o3bo17b2o285b2ob2o2bobobob5o$28b2o6bob2ob2ob2obo7b2o
294b2obo2bo2bobo$28bo7bobo6bobo7bobo296bob2ob2obob5o$27bobo5b2obo2b2o
2bob2o8bo293b2obo2bo4bobo4bo$28b4o2bo3bob4obo3bo7b2o292bo2b2obobob4ob
3o$25b2o3bobo2bobo2bo2bo2bobo303bo4b3o6bo$26bobo3bob2ob2o6b2ob2o305b2o
2bo12bo$24bobobo3bo320bobo3bo5bo4b3o$24b2o2bobob4ob2o6b2ob2o309bo2b2o
5bo$28b2obo3bobo2bo2bo2bobo293b2ob2o22b2o$31bo2bo3bob4obo3bo292b2obobo
$31b2o2b2obo2b2o2bob2o300bo$36bobo6bobo294b5o$36bob2ob2ob2obo294bo3bob
2o13b3o$37bo3b2o3bo297bo3bo13bo3bo$343b5o13bo5bo$316bob2o6b2obo12bo4bo
13bo5bo$316b2obo6bob2o11bo2bob5o10bo5bo$320b2o2b2o4b2o10b3o17bo3bo$
321bo2bo5bo15bo10b3o3b3o18b2o$320bo4bo5bo10b5o3bo5bo3bo23bo$320b2o2b2o
4b2o9bo4bo3bo4bo5bo20bobo$318b2o4bo5bo11bob3o8bo5bo20b2o4bo$319bo5bo5b
o9b2obo4bo5bo5bo25bobob2o$318bo5b2o4b2o10bobob2o8bo3bo13b3o10bobobo$
318b2o4bo5bo11bobobo10b3o13bo3bo8b2obobo$316b2o7bo5bo9b2obobo25bo5bo5b
o4bob2o$83b2o232bo6b2o4b2o13bo4b2o20bo5bo8b3obo$83b2o231bo9b2obo19bobo
20bo5bo4bo3bo4bo$316b2o8bob2o19bo23bo3bo5bo3b5o$348b2o18b3o3b3o10bo$
47b2o318bo3bo17b3o$47b2o317bo5bo10b5obo2bo$47b2o317bo5bo13bo4bo$48bo
34bo282bo5bo13b5o$47bobo32b3o282bo3bo13bo3bo$2obo6b2obo28b3obobo33b3o
283b3o13b2obo3bo$ob2o6bob2o28b4obo339b5o$4b2o2b2o4b2o30bo33b2o3b2o297b
o$4bo3bo5bo12b2o51b2o3b2o299bobob2o$5bo3bo5bo10b4o333b2o22b2ob2o$4b2o
2b2o4b2o9bobo2bo42b2o289bo5b2o2bo$2obo4bo5bo10b2o2bobo8b3o5b3o22b2o8bo
277b3o4bo5bo3bobo$ob2o5bo5bo14bobo6bo3bo3b3o20b2o6bo5bo276bo12bo2b2o$
4b2o2b2o4b2o16b2o4bo5bo17b2o5b3o5bo3b2obo282bo6b3o4bo$4bo3bo5bo16b3o4b
o5bo17b2o6b2o6b6o3bo277b3ob4obobob2o2bo$5bo3bo5bo14bobo5bo5bo28b2o4b4o
3bobo275bo4bobo4bo2bob2o$4b2o2b2o4b2o14b2o7bo3bo3b3o23b2o10bo3bo275b5o
bob2ob2obo$2obo6b2obo26b3o5b3o34bo3bo7b2o6b2o264bobo2bo2bob2o$ob2o6bob
2o71bo3bo5bo4bo2bo4bo256b5obobobo2b2ob2o$86bobo6bo4bo2bo4bo256bo2bobo
3bo$43b2o42bo7bo4bo2bo4bo$43bo53b2o6b2o$44b3o$46bo37b2o$85bo$82b3o6b2o
$82bo4b2o2b2o$87b2o2bob2o$92b3o2$395b2o$92b2o301bobo$92b2o287b2o14bo$
380bo2bo6b2o4b2ob2obo$381bobo6bobo3bo2bob2o$379b2obo8b2o4bo$379b3o10bo
b2o$379b2o9b2o3bo2bo$390bo2b3o2bo$386bo3bo4b2o$386b2o2bo2b3o2bo$315b2o
5b2obo6b2obo50bo3b2o3bo2bo$316bo5bob2o6bob2o47bo8bob2o$315bo10b2o2b2o
4b2o45bo7b2o4bo$315b2o9bo3bo5bo45bo7bobo3bo2bob2o$327bo3bo5bo45bobo4b
2o4b2ob2obo$315b2o9b2o2b2o4b2o44bo3bo10bo$316bo5b2obo4bo5bo45bo3bo10bo
$315bo6bob2o5bo5bo45bobo4b2o4b2ob2obo$315b2o3b2o8b2o4b2o44bo7bobo3bo2b
ob2o$320bo9bo5bo46bo7b2o4bo$315b2o4bo9bo5bo10b8o27bo8bob2o$316bo3b2o8b
2o4b2o10bob4obo30bo3b2o3bo2bo$315bo6b2obo6b2obo12b8o10b3o9bobo5b2o2bo
2b3o2bo$315b2o5bob2o6bob2o29bo3bo16bo3bo4b2o$364bo5bo9bo9bo2b3o2bo$
364bo5bo6bo3bobo6b2o3bo2bo$364bo5bo6b2o13bob2o$365bo3bo3b2o4bo3bo7b2o
4bo$359b2o5b3o4bobo3b2o9bobo3bo2bob2o$358bo2bo13bo14b2o4b2ob2obo$359b
2o14b2o20bo$395bobo$395b2o2$362b2o$353b2o2b2o3bo$353bo2bobo4b3o$355b2o
bobo4bo$359b2o!
Can someone please add these?

Unfortunately, I don't have the discovery credits for these. However, I do have a few helpful notes:
  • The p16 is a "reduction" of a pattern on the wiki page. The pattern on the wiki page is incorrectly attributed to P1GG in 2023, when it was actually first found by James Pascua in 2022.
  • The second p24 is a "larger" form of a pattern on the wiki page. The pattern on the wiki page is a monomerized form, but it consumes a blinker from a blinker factory, so it perhaps shouldn't be considered a proper hassler. The second p24 above doesn't have this "problem".
  • The p27 is just the capped p27 gun. The wiki page contains a version of this gun, but it involves a mutual stabilization with 56P27, so it perhaps shouldn't be considered a proper hassler. The p27 above doesn't have this "problem".
  • The p37 is just the capped p37 gun. For some reason it isn't included on the honey farm hasslers page.
  • The p46 is closely related to a p46 on the wiki page. It could potentially be considered a reduction, rather than a separate hassler.
  • The p11, p48, p54, and the first p30 are reductions of patterns already on the wiki page.
  • The p22, p40, third p24, and second p32 are shuttles and should go on the honey farm shuttles wiki page.
Something similar probably needs to be done for traffic light hasslers.

Edit: there should be a page for pre-pulsar hasslers that aren't shuttles, such as David Buckingham's p55.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » March 22nd, 2024, 9:19 am

I'll update the honey farm hasslers now. I'm just saying this so nobody tries to do it at the same time and have twice as much work.

EDIT: Complete.
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries

Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,44,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » March 22nd, 2024, 10:54 am

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=140483
Continuation of an earlier story with attempts to add unsubstantiated/vague claims.
  • "and has a known glider synthesis" -- where can a reader find a completed glider synthesis for the shown period-27 glider gun? Separate syntheses for smaller components don't count; you need to construct the whole thing. Either there should be a forum ref for the claim, or the claim should be reverted.
  • "why the main form is still considered better" -- how so? Better in what context? Claims "this form is better" without clarifying the intended meaning and context of "better" should not go in LifeWiki articles. The claim in the current form should be reverted.
confocaloid wrote:
January 6th, 2024, 10:53 am
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=144090
The edit adds a claim "[...], and a much more difficult glider synthesis". That claim is incorrect, as the pattern does not have any known glider synthesis. In particular, xp3_gg39c842s0gzh895tl2w11zd54311tdrh84z36ar3g8oziij123z04b4 does not have any known glider synthesis.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by iddi01 » March 23rd, 2024, 9:09 am

I can't find an appropriate thread for posting this, but since i joined, the Special:Statistics page always says there are 12 active users, despite the Special:ActiveUsers page listing nearly 30 active users. Can someone fix this?
Wiki: User:iddi01

I'm making a poll. please contribute.

First gun i constructed:

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x = 69, y = 69, rule = B3-n/S1e2-a3-e4e
2$32b3o$32bobo$32bobo$32b3o27$63b4o$b4o58bo2bo$bo2bo23bo4b2o28b4o$b4o
21bobo$28bo21$35bo$34b3o6$33b3o$33bobo$33bobo$33b3o!

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by wirehead » March 23rd, 2024, 10:03 pm

Somehow stumbled upon dani's userpage with the archived source for the catglue bot and then tried to take the link for testitemqlstudop's gitlab fork, but the link is broken - and it looks like it's a formatting goof or even a bug in mediawiki that's to blame.

The href on the rendered page is

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https://gitlab.com/testitem/catgluebot%7Ca
which doesn't work.

Clicking the view source tab to remove the wiki markup shows the href was intended to be

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https://gitlab.com/testitem/catgluebot
which when I paste it in, redirects to

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https://gitlab.com/terezi/catgluebot
Should be fixed so people don't have to know that there is an unformatted tab and then go to the length of copypasting the link out of the source... not a terribly high-priority edit, but I still think it ought to be fixed at some point.
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Post by confocaloid » March 23rd, 2024, 10:08 pm

External wiki-link markup doesn't have "vertical bar" character (Help:Links). I believe it should be instead

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Post by confocaloid » March 25th, 2024, 6:07 am

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=147683
(1) The linked edit replaced a previously added p6 with a new p5, instead of adding a new section.
(2) The added p5 doesn't belong on the page, because removing the butterflies causes the rest to disintegrate.
Suggested fix: undo.

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=147683 embedded viewer with caption "4 Silver's p5 hassling 4 butterflies. (citation needed)"
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=125076 embedded viewer with caption "Eight Silver's p5s hassling four tubs"
The following oscillator is described twice, differently (and incorrectly) in the forms "N Silver's p5 hassling M X":

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
5b2o11b2o$5bobo9bobo$10b2ob2o$8b2obobob2o$7b2o7b2o$2o21b2o$o23bo$bo2b
o5bo3bo5bo2bo$3b2o4b2o3b2o4b2o$3bo4bobo3bobo4bo$2bo4b3o5b3o4bo$2b2o17b
2o2$2b2o17b2o$2bo4b3o5b3o4bo$3bo4bobo3bobo4bo$3b2o4b2o3b2o4b2o$bo2bo5b
o3bo5bo2bo$o23bo$2o21b2o$7b2o7b2o$8b2obobob2o$10b2ob2o$5bobo9bobo$5b2o
11b2o!
Those descriptions are incorrect, because
(a) trying to remove all M instances of X (i.e. what is claimed to be the "hassled" part) causes the rest to disintegrate, hence the oscillator is not "something hassling some X",
(b) there are no complete-by-itself parts that are variants of the Silver's p5 oscillator, hence the oscillator is not "some Silver's p5 hassling something".

Suggested fix: undo for the first linked edit (page Butterfly hasslers); clarify relevance for second edit (page Silver's p5).
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Post by dvgrn » March 25th, 2024, 8:55 am

confocaloid wrote:
March 25th, 2024, 6:07 am
Suggested fix: undo for the first linked edit (page Butterfly hasslers); clarify relevance for second edit (page Silver's p5).
Question for hassler-builders and other terminology experts: is there more or less of a consensus that to be a "hassler" of Object X, a pattern has to have hassling objects that can survive if all the instances of Object X are removed?

That certainly seems like it matches an awful lot of existing usage of "hassler". But the Hassle article doesn't actually call that out. Should it?

If so, then what's a good verb to use for what the Silver's p5s are doing with the butterflies, in the eightfold-symmetric oscillator that's currently labeled "Eight Silver's p5s hassling four tubs"? "Mutually stabilizing" or something along those lines, maybe?

-- The "tubs" part of that caption doesn't seem right, for sure -- it's actually "four tubs plus a set of sparks that aren't normally part of either a tub or a Silver's p5".

It does seem okay to call the non-butterfly objects around the outside "eight Silver's p5s". They're being mutually stabilized by the central four-butterfly engine instead of being stabilized by a snake or eater or some other non-oscillating catalyst. But they're still Silver's p5s, in the same sense that we've had in the "Four Silver's p5s rephasing beacon" caption for a good while now without anyone complaining.

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Post by hotcrystal0 » March 25th, 2024, 4:53 pm

Why is this P5 HW volcano not on the emulator page?
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Here's a slightly more robust p5 hw emulator:

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x = 22, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$8bo4bo2$2o6bo4bo6b2o$o2bo3b8o3bo2bo$b2o5bo4bo5b2o$4b2o2b6o2b2o$b
3o14b3o$bo2b4o6b4o2bo$2bo16bo$3b6ob2ob6o$5bo3bo2bo3bo$8b2o2b2o$8bo4bo$
9bo2bo$8b2o2b2o!
Edit: nevermind

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x = 192, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
33$42b4o$41b6o$40b2ob4o$41b2o3$41b2o$39bo6bo$38bo8bo$38bo8bo$38b9o3$42b
4o$41b6o$40b2ob4o$41b2o!

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Post by b-engine » March 27th, 2024, 7:01 am

The following pages should be deleted, as I just made them just for test purpose, not an "official" one.

https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:0E0PLife
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-Unif
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivD
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivUpdate5
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivP
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivB
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivM

(Tell Ian07 not to upload any rules to LifeWiki unless allowed by the creator.)

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Well, if a RLE code contains a ruletable/tree, then it doesn't needed to upload to LifeWiki unless otherwise cited.
Also, just delete those LifeWiki page. Nothing else needed to done.
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Post by dvgrn » March 27th, 2024, 7:15 am

b-engine wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 7:01 am
(Tell Ian07 not to upload any rules to LifeWiki unless allowed by the creator.)
Posting rules to the conwaylife.com forums implies that they're available for public use, especially if those posts don't contain any labeling that says they're "just for test purposes".

Should the posts where these rules originated, e.g., this post introducing "0E0PLife", also be deleted from the public forums to avoid confusion?

Ian07 recently did a scan of forum postings and uploaded rules that had been created since the last such scan. Nobody has ever objected to this kind of thing before. We need to be able to do this kind of scan without second-guessing each individual rule -- so at the very least, future "test" rule posts would need to be very clearly labeled as such.

But really "no uploading rules unless allowed by the creator" isn't likely to become a workable criterion even then. This kind of thing is often done automatically or semi-automatically, via a scraper script.

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Post by confocaloid » March 27th, 2024, 9:16 am

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=143701 Both "p146 pi-heptomino hassler" and "51P146" are descriptions of the object that is the topic of the article. It is still an unnamed periodic object. (Most specific objects will naturally remain unnamed, since they don't really need a name unless they are frequently mentioned in discussions.)
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Post by hotdogPi » March 27th, 2024, 9:18 am

confocaloid wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 9:16 am
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=143701 Both "p146 pi-heptomino hassler" and "51P146" are descriptions of the object that is the topic of the article. It is still an unnamed periodic object. (Most specific objects will naturally remain unnamed, since they don't really need a name unless they are frequently mentioned in discussions.)
The category Category:Unnamed periodic objects excludes patterns with the name "pN object hassler".
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Post by confocaloid » March 27th, 2024, 9:25 am

hotdogPi wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 9:18 am
confocaloid wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 9:16 am
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?diff ... did=143701 Both "p146 pi-heptomino hassler" and "51P146" are descriptions of the object that is the topic of the article. It is still an unnamed periodic object. (Most specific objects will naturally remain unnamed, since they don't really need a name unless they are frequently mentioned in discussions.)
The category Category:Unnamed periodic objects excludes patterns with the name "pN object hassler".
I don't see why that category should exclude them, given that they have only descriptions and no name.
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Post by dvgrn » March 27th, 2024, 10:33 am

Should a new category article be added for "2c/3 signal receiver"? I just put in a CurrentNews item for Entity Valkyrie's discovery, and wanted to have an article to link to -- but there doesn't seem to be one: "receiver" currently just redirects to "Herschel receiver". Details about the receiver end of 2c/3 signalling mechanisms are currently only found in Wire, I think.

My idea would be that a "2c/3 signal receiver" category article wouldn't need an infobox. Maybe it would have embedded viewers showing the old receiver from heisenburp.lua, and maybe some of the later improvements on that, and then Goldtiger997's sub-1000-tick-RT staged-recovery devices, and then Entity Valkyrie's latest model.

In one sense EV's new 2c/3 receiver needs the same number of signals (three) as its predecessor. But Goldtiger997's mechanism needed three gliders all precisely synchronized with each other to make the pondnblock bait. In Entity Valkyrie's solution, the pond factory and the TL+G combination producing the bi-block could theoretically be activated in either order -- so, not surprisingly, the circuitry ends up a lot less complicated.

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Post by confocaloid » March 27th, 2024, 12:27 pm

dvgrn wrote:
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Should a new category article be added for "2c/3 signal receiver"?
I'm not sure whether I understand what you mean by a 'category article'. In MediaWiki context, categories are not articles, but instead a software feature that enables grouping related pages (including articles and non-article pages). Category pages can be created to supply description of a category and/or maintain a hierarchy of categories. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories/en

Since you wrote it wouldn't need an infobox, I take it the idea is to create an usual article about the topic "2c/3 signal receiver" (as opposed to a "pattern page" article about some specific pattern or specific reaction)?
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In one sense EV's new 2c/3 receiver needs the same number of signals (three) as its predecessor. But Goldtiger997's mechanism needed three gliders all precisely synchronized with each other to make the pondnblock bait. In Entity Valkyrie's solution, the pond factory and the TL+G combination producing the bi-block could theoretically be activated in either order -- so, not surprisingly, the circuitry ends up a lot less complicated.
I don't really see how you would need three signals somewhere in either of those patterns. As far as I can tell, any working 2c/3 receiver accepts just one signal at a time, arriving through the wire. The receiver passes this signal to some other place carried by some other mechanism (e.g. by a glider or by a Herschel), and can do so repeatedly without suffering damage, as long as enough time passes between consecutive received signals.

Difference between receiver mechanisms might be in the number of gliders, Herschels or other moving active objects which have to be generated to restore the bait(s) and/or in the relative timing restrictions between those moving active objects. The task of rebuilding bait objects / recovery is logically separate from the main task of carrying a signal through the circuit.
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Post by dvgrn » March 27th, 2024, 1:13 pm

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I don't really see how you would need three signals somewhere in either of those patterns. As far as I can tell, any working 2c/3 receiver accepts just one signal at a time, arriving through the wire.
Um... we've been through this topic before, a truly impressive number of times. When I use the word "signal", I very often don't mean the same thing as what you mean when you use the word "signal". This is one of those cases.

Here you seem to be interpreting the term "signal" as if you think that I meant a bit-carrying information-theory signal -- even though I've tried to make it very clear that I don't believe that your restricted "confocaloid-signal" definition is the most useful way to define or use "signal" in the context of this kind of CA circuitry.

In Goldtiger997's 2c/3 signal receiver, there are three "dvgrn-signal" signals -- three distinct moving active objects -- created from the single initial output Herschel descendant, using the usual signal splitters and timing-adjustment devices... where I'm using "signal splitter" in the "fanout device" sense described in the splitter article, not the one-time circuitry sense.

Goldtiger997's circuitry has to precisely synchronize those three dvgrn-signals to produce the three-glider collision that rebuilds the pondnblock constellation.

All of this is still very common standard usage of the term "signal" here on the forums and elsewhere. Check out the second paragraph of the omniperiodicity paper, for example; I didn't write that paragraph or suggest that wording in any way.

At the moment, you're the only person who ever seems to object to the use of this "dvgrn-signal" meaning of "signal" here on the forums. I don't like the term "dvgrn-signal" any more than you like the term "confocaloid-signal", and normally I don't think it's necessary to use it to make my meaning clear.

So for the moment, unless there's some fresh evidence that I'm actually confusing a lot of people, I'm going to continue to say simply "signal" here on the forums when I mean "active object moving through circuitry". Please stop trying to exclusively apply your preferred meaning of "signal" to other people's usage of the term, when they're clearly invoking the wider "dvgrn-signal" sense.

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Post by confocaloid » March 27th, 2024, 1:19 pm

dvgrn wrote:
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This is one of those cases.
I don't think so. In this particular case, the topic is "2c/3 signal receiver", which already uses the word 'signal' in its primary well-understood CA-related sense (i.e. information carried through the universe with some mechanism).

Considering that you are discussing the topic "2c/3 signal receiver", and there's just one signal (which is received) as long as you are focused on the receiving mechanism, it feels to me to be very confusing to apply the same word in the same discussion to mean a completely different thing.
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Post by dvgrn » March 27th, 2024, 1:35 pm

confocaloid wrote:
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Considering that you are discussing the topic "2c/3 signal receiver", and there's just one signal (which is received) as long as you are focused on the receiving mechanism, it feels to me to be very confusing to apply the same word in the same discussion to mean a completely different thing.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not a completely different thing at all.

A "2c/3 signal receiver" is certainly capable of receiving "signals" that match the restricted "confocaloid-signal" meaning.

However, the wider "dvgrn-signal" meaning is simply a commonly-used superset of your restricted meaning. When I say "signal", I generally mean any active object moving through circuitry, including but not limited to active objects that are carrying confocaloid-signals.

So 2c/3 signal receivers are equally capable of receiving "signals" that are dvgrn-signals but not confocaloid-signals -- and I definitely intend the "dvgrn-signal" sense when I say "2c/3 signal receiver".

If we hook up the output of Entity Vakyrie's receiver to a 2c/3 signal transmitter attached to the same length of 2c/3 wire, and put one dvgrn-signal in the loop, we end up with a simple oscillator.

You've repeatedly stated that you think that such loop oscillators don't contain any signals. I think that that idea simply doesn't match common usage or common community opinion. The use of "signal" in the omniperiodicity paper is an example of that common usage. And the fact that such an oscillator would contain a working "2c/3 signal receiver" and yet wouldn't contain any signals, seems like a serious point of potential confusion to me.

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Post by confocaloid » March 27th, 2024, 1:45 pm

dvgrn wrote:
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However, the wider "dvgrn-signal" meaning is simply a commonly-used superset of your restricted meaning.
No it is not a superset.
I don't know what exactly you mean when you say "confocaloid-signal". What I do know, however, is that a signal by the well-known definition is (movement of) information through the Life universe. In particular, a signal is not an object. A moving object may exist without carrying any signal at all. When an object changes, the carried signal (if any exists) remains the same.

As an immediate consequence, "moving object" cannot be a superset of "signal". It is a completely different idea.
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Post by dvgrn » March 27th, 2024, 1:54 pm

confocaloid wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 1:45 pm
I don't know what exactly you mean when you say "confocaloid-signal".
Would you please consider putting some more effort into understanding that point, then? It's been explained quite a number of times -- here, for example.
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As an immediate consequence, "moving object" cannot be a superset of "signal". It is a completely different idea.
I would say it is a "strongly related idea", rather than a "completely different idea": the medium, and/or the message.
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This sort of double usage is commonplace: text, speech, mail, etc. can refer to the medium (how it is sent) or to the message (the informational content). I don't see a real risk for confusion. Even Life Lexicon uses the term "signal converter" under the entry for "splitter," when strictly speaking it's only the medium that's changing, not the informational content.

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