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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Sokwe » April 1st, 2024, 9:42 pm

confocaloid wrote:
April 1st, 2024, 2:17 pm
If the aim is to show the same set of oscillators to LifeWiki readers without need to install Golly, then a dedicated page may work.
The aim is to "complete" the LifeWiki traffic light hassler collection. If we have pages for non-pre-pulsar traffic light hasslers and for pre-pulsar shuttles, then it seems like we should include these pre-pulsar hasslers somewhere. My other aim is to modify traffic-light-hasslers.rle in the Golly pattern collection to only display one oscillator of each period and use the pattern comments to provide links to the wiki pages. Without a wiki page including the above collection of pre-pulsar hasslers, this modification would cause information loss.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by b-engine » April 5th, 2024, 7:29 am

Should we add the drifty eater 3 variant with better clearance (exactly the catalyst at the right in the code box in the fake quote, in case I'll abbreviate it as BCDE3) in the eater 3 page?
Or else...
Someone who don't know the pattern existed wrote: We all know that drifty eater 3 exists. However, I found that it's clearance isn't that good. So I've modified it to have more clearance!

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x = 39, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
7b2o15b2o$2b2o2bobo15bobo2b2o$2bo3bo14bo4bo3bo$3b3ob4o10b5ob3o$5bobo2b
o14bobo$b3obobo13b3obobo$o2bob2o13bo2bob2o$2o6b2o10b2o6b2o$8b2o18b2o3$
12b2o18b2o$12bobo17bobo$12bo19bo2$16b3o17b3o$16bo19bo$17bo19bo!
EDIT:
If 3 people agrees (by liking the post), then I'll place the BCDE3 into the page.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 5th, 2024, 9:47 am

The catalyst variant on the right doesn't really have an unambiguously-better clearance. (It may not fit geometrically in places where the other one fits.)
The main difference I can see in the posted pattern, is that the catalyst variant on the right can eat gliders on a lane where the catalyst variant on the left would fail. But that is achieved at the cost of making its clearance worse in certain ways. Example:

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x = 59, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
7b2o35b2o$2b2o2bobo35bobo2b2o$2bo3bo9b2o23bo4bo3bo5b2o$3b3ob4o5bobo22b
5ob3o6bobo$5bobo2bo5bo28bobo8bo$b3obobo33b3obobo$o2bob2o33bo2bob2o$2o
6b2o30b2o6b2o$8b2o38b2o!
b-engine wrote:
April 5th, 2024, 7:29 am
Should we add the drifty eater 3 variant with better clearance (exactly the catalyst at the right in the code box in the fake quote, in case I'll abbreviate it as BCDE3) in the eater 3 page?
[...]

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x = 39, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
7b2o15b2o$2b2o2bobo15bobo2b2o$2bo3bo14bo4bo3bo$3b3ob4o10b5ob3o$5bobo2b
o14bobo$b3obobo13b3obobo$o2bob2o13bo2bob2o$2o6b2o10b2o6b2o$8b2o18b2o3$
12b2o18b2o$12bobo17bobo$12bo19bo2$16b3o17b3o$16bo19bo$17bo19bo!
[...]
127:1 B3/S234c User:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Sokwe » April 8th, 2024, 6:45 am

I created a pre-pulsar hasslers page for pre-pulsar hasslers that aren't shuttles. Can someone please add the following oscillators to that page:

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x = 289, y = 307, rule = B3/S23
104bo$103bobo$102bobobo$102bobobo$101b2obob2o$99bo2bobobo2bo$99b2o3bo
3b2o$102bobobo$97b5o2bo2b5o$96bo5bobobo5bo$95bobo3b2obob2o3bobo$95bob
3o3bobo3b3obo$94b2o4b2obobob2o4b2o$95bobo4bobobo4bobo$95bobo2bobobobob
o2bobo$96bo5bobobo5bo$97b2obobobobobob2o$99b2obobobob2o$101b2obob2o$
96b2ob2obobobob2ob2o$95bo3bo4bo4bo3bo129b2o3b2o$95bobo2bo2bobo2bo2bobo
129b2o3b2o$93b2o2b2o4bobo4b2o2b2o$94bobo4b2o3b2o4bobo$44b2o3b2o31b2o
10bob3ob2o5b2ob3obo10b2o$44b2o3b2o31bo12bo17bo12bo$71b2o11bo12bobob7ob
obo12bo11b2o$6b2o5b2obo54bobo9b2o2bo2bo5b2o4bo3bo4b2o5bo2bo2b2o9bobo
58b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$7bo5bob2o56bo3b2obo4b6o4bo3b11o3bo4b6o4bob2o3bo60b2o
3b2o2b2o3b2o$6bo4b2o4b2o20b2o2b3o3b3o2b2o17b2o7b3o11b3o3b5o3b3o11b3o7b
2o$6b2o3bo5bo21b2o2bobo3bobo2b2o19bobo7b8o5bob2ob3ob2obo5b8o7bobo62b2o
3b2o2b2o3b2o$12bo5bo24b3o3b3o21b2obo3b3obo7bo6b3o5b3o6bo7bob3o3bob2o
60bobobobo2bobobobo30b3o3b3o$6b2o3b2o4b2o53bobob4o2bo2b2o3bo9bo7bo9bo
3b2o2bo2b4obobo61bobo6bobo32bobo3bobo$7bo3bo5bo53bo7bo4b2obo2b2o25b2o
2bob2o4bo7bo59b2obo5b2obo32b3o3b3o$6bo5bo5bo53b7o5bobo4bo25bo4bobo5b7o
64b2o7b2o$6b2o3b2o4b2o55bo2bo5b2ob2ob3o25b3ob2ob2o5bo2bo67bo8bo$11bo5b
o25b3o3b3o27bo5b3o2b2o2bo5b3o3b3o5bo2b2o2b3o5bo71bo8bo$6b2o4bo5bo20b2o
2bobo3bobo2b2o22b2o2bo4bo3bo3b2o3bobo3bobo3b2o3bo3bo4bo2b2o70b2o7b2o$
7bo3b2o4b2o20b2o2b3o3b3o2b2o27b4o2bobo2b2o4b3o3b3o4b2o2bobo2b4o76bo8bo
28b3o7b3o$6bo6b2obo70b2o2b2ob3o15b3ob2o2b2o79bo8bo23b2o2b7o3b7o2b2o$6b
2o5bob2o66b4o2bobo2b3o15b3o2bobo2b4o75b2o7b2o22bo3b2obob2o3b2obob2o3bo
$78b2o2bo4bo3bo3bo17bo3bo3bo4bo2b2o105b2ob2ob2ob3ob2ob2ob2o$44b2o3b2o
28bo5b3o2b2o2bo5bo7bo5bo2b2o2b3o5bo102b4obo17bob4o$44b2o3b2o23bo2bo5b
2ob2ob3o7b3o5b3o7b3ob2ob2o5bo2bo97bo2bob4o3bo3bo3b4obo2bo$72b7o5bobo4b
o6bob2ob3ob2obo6bo4bobo5b7o99bo2bo13bo2bo$71bo7bo4b2obo2b2o4b3o3b5o3b
3o4b2o2bob2o4bo7bo99bo8bo8bo$72bobob4o2bo2b2o3bo4bo3b11o3bo4bo3b2o2bo
2b4obobo101bobo4bobo4bobo$73b2obo3b3obo7bo3b2o4bo3bo4b2o3bo7bob3o3bob
2o105b2o3bo3b2o$75bobo7b8o4bobob7obobo4b8o7bobo104bo2b2o7b2o2bo$73b2o
7b3o10bo17bo10b3o7b2o101bobobo9bobobo$73bo3b2obo4b6o3bob3ob2o5b2ob3obo
3b6o4bob2o3bo100bobob3o7b3obobo$71bobo9b2o2bo2bo3bobo4b2o3b2o4bobo3bo
2bo2b2o9bobo98bo2b2o2bo5bo2b2o2bo$71b2o11bo8b2o2b2o4bobo4b2o2b2o8bo11b
2o96b2ob2o5b2ob2o5b2ob2o$82bo12bobo2bo2bobo2bo2bobo12bo108bobo6b2ob2o
6bobo$82b2o11bo3bo4bo4bo3bo11b2o108bobo17bobo$96b2ob2obobobob2ob2o123b
o19bo$101b2obob2o$99b2obobobob2o$97b2obobobobobob2o$96bo5bobobo5bo$95b
obo2bobobobobo2bobo$95bobo4bobobo4bobo$94b2o4b2obobob2o4b2o$95bob3o3bo
bo3b3obo$95bobo3b2obob2o3bobo$96bo5bobobo5bo$97b5o2bo2b5o$102bobobo$
99b2o3bo3b2o$99bo2bobobo2bo$101b2obob2o$102bobobo$102bobobo126bo25bo$
103bobo126bobo23bobo$104bo128bo25bo$238bo15bo$197bob2o6bob2o20b5o2b3o
11b3o2b5o$197b2obo6b2obo19bo4bo5bo9bo5bo4bo$195b2o8b2o22bo2bo7b2o9b2o
7bo2bo$196bo9bo19bo2bob2o27b2obo2bo$195bo9bo19bobobo5bo21bo5bobobo$
195b2o8b2o19bo2bo4bobo19bobo4bo2bo$197bob2o6bob2o18b2o2bo2bo5b3o3b3o5b
o2bo2b2o$197b2obo6b2obo19bo3b2o6bobo3bobo6b2o3bo$201b2o8b2o16bo12b3o3b
3o12bo$202bo9bo17b3o27b3o$201bo9bo21bo25bo$201b2o8b2o19bo2bo21bo2bo$
197bob2o6bob2o21b4o21b4o$197b2obo6b2obo$234b2o21b2o$35bo33bo164bo23bo$
34bobo31bobo164bo21bo$34bobo31bobo163b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o$3b2obo6b2obo14b
2obob2o29b2obob2o166bo11bo$3bob2o6bob2o12bo2bobo3bo27bo3bobo2bo161b3o
13b3o$7b2o2b2o4b2o10b2o3bob2o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b2obo3b2o161bo17bo$7bo3bo5bo
15bo3bo5bobo5bobo5bobo5bo3bo$8bo3bo5bo14b4o6b3o5b3o5b3o6b4o$7b2o2b2o4b
2o17bo31bo$3b2obo4bo5bo15b4o31b4o$3bob2o5bo5bo13bo39bo$b2o8b2o4b2o14b
4o6b3o5b3o5b3o6b4o$bo9bo5bo18bo6bobo5bobo5bobo6bo$2bo9bo5bo14b4o6b3o5b
3o5b3o6b4o$b2o8b2o4b2o14bo3bo29bo3bo$3b2obo6b2obo12b2o3bob2o29b2obo3b
2o173b2o$3bob2o6bob2o12bo2bobo3bo27bo3bobo2bo173bo2b2o$31b2obob2o29b2o
bob2o176b2ob3o$34bobo31bobo174b2o4bo4bo$34bobo31bobo174b2o3bo2b3o$35bo
33bo180bo2bo2$229bo16b2o$228bobo14bo2bo$228bobo14bobo3bo$227b2ob2o14bo
3bobo$227bo8bo14bo$228bob2o3bobo$226bobob2o4bo$37b2o187b2o$38bo2b2o
154bob2o6b2obo23bo29bo$38bobo2bo11b2o140b2obo6bob2o22bobo26b3o$37b2obo
bobob2o7bobo137b2o8b2o4b2o16b2o2bo2bo24bo$38bobobob2obo4b2obo2bo5bo
131bo8bo5bo17b2o3b2o25b2o$36bo3b3o9bobobobo4bobo129bo10bo5bo29b3o3b3o$
35bob3obob4o7bo4bo3bobo129b2o8b2o4b2o29bobo3bobo$35bo11bo6bob4o2b2ob2o
130bob2o6b2obo31b3o3b3o14bo$36b3obobob3o8bo3bo2bo3bo130b2obo6bob2o53bo
bo$2b2obo6bob2o22b2obob2o11b3ob2ob3o135b2o8b2o24bo27bo$2bob2o6b2obo42b
o4bo138bo8bo24bobo$6b2o2b2o18b2o2bo166bo10bo24bo14b3o3b3o$6bo4bo18bo2b
obo23bo2bo3b2o133b2o8b2o39bobo3bobo$7bo2bo20bobobo30bo130bob2o6b2obo
41b3o3b3o$6b2o2b2o18b2obob2o27bobo130b2obo6bob2o29b2o25b2o3b2o$2b2obo
6bob2o13bo3b2o3bo25b2o175bo24bo2bo2b2o$2bob2o6b2obo12bob2o2b2o6bo4b3o
3b3o4bo177b3o26bobo$2o14b2o10bobo2bobo3bo2bo4bobo3bobo4bo177bo29bo$o
16bo11b3o2b2o6bo4b3o3b3o4bo214b2o$bo14bo16b2o3bo25b2o200bo4b2obobo$2o
14b2o9b5obob2o27bobo198bobo3b2obo$2b2obo6bob2o11bo2bo2bobo30bo184bo14b
o8bo$2bob2o6b2obo16bo2bo23bo2bo3b2o182bobo3bo14b2ob2o$33b2o216bo3bobo
14bobo$58bo4bo190bo2bo14bobo$38b2obob2o11b3ob2ob3o189b2o16bo$36b3obobo
b3o8bo3bo2bo3bo$35bo11bo6bob4o2b2ob2o182bo2bo$35bob3obob4o7bo4bo3bobo
181b3o2bo3b2o$36bo3b3o9bobobobo4bobo180bo4bo4b2o$38bobobob2obo4b2obo2b
o5bo182b3ob2o$37b2obobobob2o7bobo191b2o2bo$38bobo2bo11b2o195b2o$38bo2b
2o$37b2o10$254b2o4b2o$254bobo2bobo$256bo2bo$30b2o31b2o190bo4bo$31bo31b
o191b6o$31bob2o25b2obo185bo6b4o$32bobo8bo7bo8bobo185bobo$34bob2o4bobo
5bobo4b2obo135b2o5b2obo6b2obo32bo$2b2obo6b2obo17bobobo5bo7bo5bobobo
135bo5bob2o6bob2o$2bob2o6bob2o13b2o2bo27bo2b2o130bo4b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o$6b
2o2b2o4b2o11bobob2o25b2obobo130b2o3bo5bo3bo5bo19bo$6bo3bo5bo9b2obobo
31bobob2o133bo5bo3bo5bo17bobo$7bo3bo5bo8bobob2o6bo4b3o3b3o4bo6b2obobo
127b2o3b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o17bobo$6b2o2b2o4b2o10bo8bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo8bo
130bo3bo5bo3bo5bo17b2ob2o9b3o3b3o$2b2obo6b2obo10bobob2o6bo4b3o3b3o4bo
6b2obobo127bo5bo5bo3bo5bo29bo3bobo3bo28b2o$2bob2o6bob2o10b2obobo31bobo
b2o127b2o3b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o16b2ob2o8bo3bobo3bo6b3o3b3o14bo$2o14b2o11bobo
b2o25b2obobo135bo5bo3bo5bo18bob2o8bo3bobo3bo5bo3bobo3bo8b2obo$o15bo12b
2o2bo27bo2b2o130b2o4bo5bo3bo5bo15bo14b3o3b3o6bo3bobo3bo8b2ob2o$bo15bo
15bobobo5bo7bo5bobobo135bo3b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o15b2o28bo3bobo3bo$2o14b2o16b
ob2o4bobo5bobo4b2obo135bo6b2obo6b2obo48b3o3b3o9b2ob2o$2b2obo6b2obo16bo
bo8bo7bo8bobo133b2o5bob2o6bob2o67bobo$2bob2o6bob2o15bob2o25b2obo220bob
o$31bo31bo221bo$30b2o31b2o2$273bo$272bobo$263b4o6bo$262b6o$262bo4bo$
263bo2bo$261bobo2bobo$261b2o4b2o3$55b2o4b2o$55bobo2bobo$57bo2bo$56bo4b
o$56bo4bo$46bo9bo4bo6bo4b2o$2b2obo6b2obo30b3o9b2o7bobo4bo$2bob2o6bob2o
18bo5bo8bo16bo2bo2bo$6b2o2b2o4b2o15bobo3bobo6b2o16bob2obob4o177bo10bo$
6bo3bo5bo15bo2bo3bobo23b2obo2bobo3bo176bo10bo$7bo3bo5bo14bobob2obob2o
22bo2bob2ob2o2bo176bo10bo$6b2o2b2o4b2o15b2obob2o3bo22b3o2bo3bob2o175b
2o8b2o$2b2obo4bo5bo24b2o7b3o3b3o7bo3bo4bo181bo4bo$2bob2o5bo5bo15b2o2b
3o3bo6bobo3bobo6bo3b3o2b2o177bo4bo2bo4bo$6b2o2b2o4b2o15bo4bo3bo7b3o3b
3o7b2o173b2o15bo2bo15b2o$6bo3bo5bo13b2obo3bo2b3o22bo3b2obob2o166bo11b
3o6b3o11bo$7bo3bo5bo13bo2b2ob2obo2bo22b2obob2obobo165bobo30bobo$6b2o2b
2o4b2o13bo3bobo2bob2o23bobo3bo2bo166b2o5b3o14b3o5b2o$2b2obo6b2obo16b4o
bob2obo16b2o6bobo3bobo162b2o9bo3bo12bo3bo9b2o$2bob2o6bob2o20bo2bo2bo
16bo8bo5bo159b2o2b2o9bo3bo12bo3bo9b2o2b2o$34bo4bobo7b2o9b3o171b2o2bob
2o7bo3bo12bo3bo7b2obo2b2o$34b2o4bo6bo4bo9bo176b3o8b3o14b3o8b3o$47bo4bo
143b2o5b2obo6b2obo$47bo4bo144bo5bob2o6bob2o33b3o14b3o$48bo2bo144bo10b
2o2b2o4b2o20b2o8bo3bo12bo3bo8b2o$46bobo2bobo142b2o9bo3bo5bo21b2o8bo3bo
12bo3bo8b2o$46b2o4b2o154bo3bo5bo30bo3bo12bo3bo$196b2o9b2o2b2o4b2o31b3o
14b3o$197bo5b2obo4bo5bo$196bo6bob2o5bo5bo$196b2o3b2o8b2o4b2o$201bo9bo
5bo$196b2o4bo9bo5bo$197bo3b2o8b2o4b2o31b3o14b3o$196bo6b2obo6b2obo32bo
3bo12bo3bo$47bo13bo134b2o5bob2o6bob2o22b2o8bo3bo12bo3bo8b2o$38bo7bobo
11bobo7bo168b2o8bo3bo12bo3bo8b2o$38b3o5bobo11bobo5b3o179b3o14b3o$41bo
3b2o2b2o7b2o2b2o3bo$40bo2bo3b2o2bo5bo2b2o3bo2bo170b3o8b3o14b3o8b3o$40b
ob5o2b3o5b3o2b5obo165b2o2bob2o7bo3bo12bo3bo7b2obo2b2o$41b2o3bobo11bobo
3b2o166b2o2b2o9bo3bo12bo3bo9b2o2b2o$44b2obobo9bobob2o173b2o9bo3bo12bo
3bo9b2o$46bobo11bobo180b2o5b3o14b3o5b2o$242bobo30bobo$39b2o6bo13bo6b2o
172bo11b3o6b3o11bo$2b2obo6b2obo15b2o5bobo6bo13bo6bobo5b2o163b2o15bo2bo
15b2o$2bob2o6bob2o15bo2b2o2bo31bo2b2o2bo175bo4bo2bo4bo$6b2o2b2o20bobob
ob2o29b2obobobo180bo4bo$6bo3bo20b2o3bo3bo7b3o7b3o7bo3bo3b2o176b2o8b2o$
7bo3bo22bo5b3o5bobo7bobo5b3o5bo179bo10bo$6b2o2b2o17b6o4bobo6b3o7b3o6bo
bo4b6o174bo10bo$2b2obo6b2obo12bo5b2o3b2o27b2o3b2o5bo173bo10bo$2bob2o6b
ob2o11bobo3bo41bo3bobo$6b2o2b2o4b2o10bo5b2o3b2o27b2o3b2o5bo$6bo3bo5bo
12b6o4bobo6b3o7b3o6bobo4b6o$7bo3bo5bo16bo5b3o5bobo7bobo5b3o5bo$6b2o2b
2o4b2o13b2o3bo3bo7b3o7b3o7bo3bo3b2o$2b2obo6b2obo16bobobob2o29b2obobobo
$2bob2o6bob2o15bo2b2o2bo31bo2b2o2bo$31b2o5bobo6bo13bo6bobo5b2o$39b2o6b
o13bo6b2o2$46bobo11bobo$44b2obobo9bobob2o$41b2o3bobo11bobo3b2o$40bob5o
2b3o5b3o2b5obo177b2o9b2o$40bo2bo3b2o2bo5bo2b2o3bo2bo176bobo9bobo$41bo
3b2o2b2o7b2o2b2o3bo172b2o4bo11bo4b2o$38b3o5bobo11bobo5b3o169bobo19bobo
$38bo7bobo11bobo7bo170bo21bo$47bo13bo4$229bo5b2o31b2o5bo$229b3o3b2o31b
2o3b3o$232bob3o31b3obo$231bo3bo33bo3bo$228bo2bob2obo31bob2obo2bo$228b
3o3b2o33b2o3b3o$196b2o2b2o3b2o2bob2o18b4obo31bob4o$197bo2b2o3b2o2b2obo
17bo3b3o11b3o3b3o11b3o3bo$196bo16b2o16b2obo2bo10bobo3bobo10bo2bob2o$
196b2o2b2o3b2o7bo17bobobo11b3o3b3o11bobobo$200bobobobo6bo17bo2b2o33b2o
2bo$196b2o4bobo8b2o16bobo37bobo$197bo3b2obo6b2o17b2obo37bob2o$196bo8b
2o5bo19bob2o33b2obo$60b3o3b3o127b2o8bo4bo20bobobo11b3o3b3o11bobobo$60b
obo3bobo136bo5b2o18b2obo2bo10bobo3bobo10bo2bob2o$b2o3b2o4b2obo21b2o6bo
14b3o3b3o14bo6b2o104b2o7b2o2b2o19bo3b3o11b3o3b3o11b3o3bo$b2o3b2o4bob2o
21bo6bobo35bobo6bo105bo8bo3bo20b4obo31bob4o$16b2o11b2o3b2obo7bo7b3o17b
3o7bo7bob2o3b2o96bo8bo3bo18b3o3b2o33b2o3b3o$b2o3b2o8bo12bo4bobo9b2obob
4obo15bob4obob2o9bobo4bo96b2o7b2o2b2o17bo2bob2obo31bob2obo2bo$bobobobo
9bo12b3obo11b4obo4bo15bo4bob4o11bob3o132bo3bo33bo3bo$3bobo10b2o14bob2o
10b4o2bo2bo17bo2bo2b4o10b2obo135bob3o31b3obo$2b2obo6b2obo35bo25bo151b
3o3b2o31b2o3b3o$6b2o4bob2o26bo4bobo29bobo4bo142bo5b2o31b2o5bo$7bo2b2o
28bobo4bo33bo4bobo$6bo3bo27bo51bo$6b2o3bo22bo2bo2b4o10b2obo13bob2o10b
4o2bo2bo$7bo2b2o21bo4bob4o11bob3o9b3obo11b4obo4bo$6bo5b2obo17bob4obob
2o9bobo4bo7bo4bobo9b2obob4obo145bo21bo$6b2o4bob2o18b3o7bo7bob2o3b2o7b
2o3b2obo7bo7b3o145bobo19bobo$43bobo6bo23bo6bobo154b2o4bo11bo4b2o$44bo
6b2o23b2o6bo160bobo9bobo$246b2o9b2o!
Also, should the following "twirling" pre-pulsar hasslers be considered shuttles?

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x = 76, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
49bo5bo$49b2o3b2o$49b2o3b2o$7b2obo6b2obo29bo3bo$7bob2o6bob2o$5b2o8b2o
4b2o$5bo9bo5bo18bo$6bo9bo5bo16bo2bo$5b2o8b2o4b2o16bo2bo$7b2obo4bo5bo
19bo3b3o3b3o7bo$7bob2o5bo5bo22bobo3bobo5bo2bo$5b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o18bo3b3o
3b3o5bo2bo$5bo5bo3bo5bo17bo2bo17bo$6bo5bo3bo5bo16bo2bo$5b2o4b2o2b2o4b
2o17bo19bo$7b2obo6b2obo38bo2bo$7bob2o6bob2o38bo2bo$61bo3$47bo3bo$46b2o
3b2o$46b2o3b2o$46bo5bo14$53bo4bo$51b2ob4ob2o$53bo4bo4$39bo4bo$38b3o3b
3o$47bo$46b2o$7b2obo6b2obo17b3o$7bob2o6bob2o$5b2o4b2o2b2o4b2o15bobo7b
3o3b3o$5bo5bo3bo5bo16bobo7bobo3bobo11bo$6bo5bo3bo5bo25b3o3b3o10b3o$5b
2o4b2o2b2o4b2o15b3o$7b2obo4bo5bo$7bob2o5bo5bo44b3o$11b2o2b2o4b2o15b3o$
11bo3bo5bo17bo27bobo$12bo3bo5bo44bobo$11b2o2b2o4b2o$7b2obo6b2obo46b3o$
7bob2o6bob2o39b2o$60bo$61b3o3b3o$63bo4bo4$49bo4bo$47b2ob4ob2o$49bo4bo
12$59bo4bo$57b2ob4ob2o$59bo4bo7$2o5b2obo6b2obo23bo$bo5bob2o6bob2o23bo$
o10b2o2b2o4b2o20bobo$2o9bo3bo5bo22bo7b3o3b3o$12bo3bo5bo21bo7bobo3bobo$
2o9b2o2b2o4b2o21bo7b3o3b3o13bo$bo5b2obo4bo5bo22bo29bo$o6bob2o5bo5bo20b
obo27bobo$2o3b2o8b2o4b2o21bo29bo$5bo9bo5bo22bo29bo$2o4bo9bo5bo51bo$bo
3b2o8b2o4b2o51bo$o6b2obo6b2obo52bobo$2o5bob2o6bob2o53bo$74bo7$54bo4bo$
52b2ob4ob2o$54bo4bo!
Should this pattern count as a pre-pulsar hassler, or merely a traffic light hassler?

Finally, should all pre-pulsar shuttles/hasslers count as traffic light hasslers for the traffic light hassler table? I think they should.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Haycat2009 » April 8th, 2024, 8:21 am

Sokwe wrote:
April 8th, 2024, 6:45 am
I created a pre-pulsar hasslers page for pre-pulsar hasslers that aren't shuttles.

Should this pattern count as a pre-pulsar hassler, or merely a traffic light hassler?

Finally, should all pre-pulsar shuttles/hasslers count as traffic light hasslers for the traffic light hassler table? I think they should.
Just a question - there is a small amount of pre-pulsar hasslers. Is the split necessary?
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 9th, 2024, 1:29 am

Rule:testing_BlueOrangeParasite was not meant to be uploaded. It is a testing rulefile that was posted in response to a request, and is meant to be either renamed before actual use (if it works as needed) or rejected (if it does not work correctly due to some misunderstanding).
I just returned back to the forum post where I posted that rulefile, and changed the rulename, to hopefully avoid any more accidental uploads in future.

I suspect that many other uploaded rulefiles in the Rule: namespace should also be removed. It appears that many of them were uploaded semi-automatically, without anyone explicitly requesting that.
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The rules temporarily named "your_rule_name" and testing_RealLife_or_maybe_not were never meant to be actually posted on the wiki (Rule:your_rule_name, Rule:testing_RealLife_or_maybe_not).
The intent was to provide an incomplete template (so that the person who requested the rule would change at least the name, and possibly the rule as well). It's plausible that there will be other ruletables of this kind posted with temporary name "your_rule_name", etc.
Deleted, thanks for letting me know.
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[...]
Ian07 recently did a scan of forum postings and uploaded rules that had been created since the last such scan. Nobody has ever objected to this kind of thing before. We need to be able to do this kind of scan without second-guessing each individual rule -- so at the very least, future "test" rule posts would need to be very clearly labeled as such.

But really "no uploading rules unless allowed by the creator" isn't likely to become a workable criterion even then. This kind of thing is often done automatically or semi-automatically, via a scraper script.
I'm not convinced that it is helpful to do nearly-automatic uploading of all rulefiles (whether requested by someone or not).

At the very least, I think rulefiles should not be uploaded, unless they are actually used by someone. Just posting a ruletable (that is then never used again) should not trigger a semi-automatic upload.

A valid case when it is likely helpful to upload a rulefile, is when someone using the @RULE explicitly requested that.
Another valid case when it is likely helpful to upload a rulefile, is when there are multiple other forum posts using the same @RULE by the same rulename.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 9th, 2024, 1:36 am

confocaloid wrote:
April 9th, 2024, 1:29 am
Rule:testing_BlueOrangeParasite was not meant to be uploaded. [...]
The following rulefiles also should be deleted from the wiki, because that was explicitly requested:
b-engine wrote:
March 27th, 2024, 7:01 am
The following pages should be deleted, as I just made them just for test purpose, not an "official" one.

https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:0E0PLife
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-Unif
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivD
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivUpdate5
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivP
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivB
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Rule:B-UnivM

(Tell Ian07 not to upload any rules to LifeWiki unless allowed by the creator.)

EDIT:
Well, if a RLE code contains a ruletable/tree, then it doesn't needed to upload to LifeWiki unless otherwise cited.
Also, just delete those LifeWiki page. Nothing else needed to done.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by b-engine » April 10th, 2024, 3:32 am

I've marked unwanted ruletable uploads (seems mostly by me) {{speedydeletion|Unrequested upload}}.

Now it's time to clear Category:Speedy_deletion now...
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 10th, 2024, 12:38 pm

Administrator, can you please blank my common.js?

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » April 10th, 2024, 12:50 pm

I was able to delete it but not edit it, so I deleted it.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by TYCF » April 13th, 2024, 11:03 am

Should Template:StillLifeComponent have a 'family' parameter? (I have already asked this on the tiki bar.)

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
obobo$2ob2o$obobo!

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B35/S234i8
2bo$bobo$2ob2o$5o!



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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm

Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by dvgrn » April 13th, 2024, 3:12 pm

unname4798 wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm
Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.
Why?

I don't really know what RGB332 is; it looks like I could figure it out eventually by searching the Internet, but Wikipedia only mentions that it's a 256-color palette, without giving the details.

Most such color palettes don't work well with the primary use case for Display256. It's best if each state is as easy as possible to distinguish from its adjacent states. The current set of colors was generated precisely for that reason.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 13th, 2024, 4:23 pm

dvgrn wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 3:12 pm
[...] I don't really know what RGB332 is; it looks like I could figure it out eventually by searching the Internet, but Wikipedia only mentions that it's a 256-color palette, without giving the details. [...]
I just found an interesting note regarding what RGB332 is.

If it is a specific well-defined palette that is considered useful to have available in Golly/LifeViewer, then how about putting the expected palette into a separate rulefile Rule:RGB332?
(And leaving Rule:Display256 unchanged, for reasons already explained. When opening a pattern from an unknown rule that probably has only a few cellstates, it is best if those cellstates are visually distinct.)
TYCF wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 11:03 am
Should Template:StillLifeComponent have a 'family' parameter? (I have already asked this on the tiki bar.)
What would be the intended use? What would be allowed values, and consequences of specifying a value? It's not obvious. Would be easier to understand the idea, if details of that kind were written explicitly.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 14th, 2024, 1:03 am

dvgrn wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 3:12 pm
unname4798 wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm
Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.
Why?

I don't really know what RGB332 is; it looks like I could figure it out eventually by searching the Internet, but Wikipedia only mentions that it's a 256-color palette, without giving the details.

Most such color palettes don't work well with the primary use case for Display256. It's best if each state is as easy as possible to distinguish from its adjacent states. The current set of colors was generated precisely for that reason.
Because current Display256 colors feel so unordered.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by squareroot12621 » April 14th, 2024, 7:43 am

unname4798 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 1:03 am

Because current Display256 colors feel so unordered.
That's intentional, both in the post you were quoting…
dvgrn wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 3:12 pm

Most such color palettes don't work well with the primary use case for Display256. It's best if each state is as easy as possible to distinguish from its adjacent states. The current set of colors was generated precisely for that reason.
…and this other post:
dvgrn wrote:
March 3rd, 2024, 3:49 pm

I'll be bold here and try to find time to check in a built-in rule that can be used. Since I'd like state N+1 to be reliably distinguishable from state N, all the way through, I don't think squareroot12621's 216 web-safe colors are quite what's wanted. Unless someone has a better list of colors, probably I'll just go with Golly's default palette (i.e., what you get if you switch off the "gradient" application in Preferences.) That's from algos.cpp:

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// These default cell colors were generated by continuously finding the
// color furthest in rgb space from the closest of the already selected
// colors, black, and white.
static unsigned char default_colors[] = {
48,48,48, // better if state 0 is dark gray (was 255,127,0)
0,255,127,127,0,255,148,148,148,128,255,0,255,0,128,
0,128,255,1,159,0,159,0,1,255,254,96,0,1,159,96,255,254,
254,96,255,126,125,21,21,126,125,125,21,126,255,116,116,116,255,116,
116,116,255,228,227,0,28,255,27,255,27,28,0,228,227,227,0,228,
27,28,255,59,59,59,234,195,176,175,196,255,171,194,68,194,68,171,
68,171,194,72,184,71,184,71,72,71,72,184,169,255,188,252,179,63,
63,252,179,179,63,252,80,9,0,0,80,9,9,0,80,255,175,250,
199,134,213,115,100,95,188,163,0,0,188,163,163,0,188,203,73,0,
0,203,73,73,0,203,94,189,0,189,0,94,0,94,189,187,243,119,
55,125,32,125,32,55,32,55,125,255,102,185,102,185,255,120,209,168,
208,166,119,135,96,192,182,255,41,83,153,130,247,88,55,89,247,55,
88,55,247,87,75,0,0,87,75,75,0,87,200,135,59,51,213,127,
255,255,162,255,37,182,37,182,255,228,57,117,142,163,210,57,117,228,
193,255,246,188,107,123,123,194,107,145,59,5,5,145,59,59,5,145,
119,39,198,40,197,23,197,23,40,23,40,197,178,199,158,255,201,121,
134,223,223,39,253,84,149,203,15,203,15,149,15,149,203,152,144,90,
143,75,139,71,97,132,224,65,219,65,219,224,255,255,40,218,223,69,
74,241,0,241,0,74,0,74,241,122,171,51,220,211,227,61,127,87,
90,124,176,36,39,13,165,142,255,255,38,255,38,255,255,83,50,107,
224,142,165,255,181,9,9,255,181,181,9,255,140,238,70,255,74,5,
74,5,255,138,84,51,31,172,101,177,115,17,221,0,0,0,221,0,
0,0,221,220,255,200,0,41,50,255,150,205,178,45,116,113,255,189,
47,0,44,40,119,171,205,107,255,177,115,172,133,73,236,109,0,168,
168,46,207,188,181,203,212,188,35,90,97,52,39,209,184,41,164,152,
227,46,70,46,70,227,211,156,255,98,146,222,136,56,95,102,54,152,
86,142,0,142,0,86,0,86,142,86,223,96,246,135,46,4,208,120,
212,233,158,177,92,214,104,147,88,149,240,147,227,93,148,72,255,133,
209,27,194,147,255,255,44,93,0,160,36,158,182,233,0,96,94,217,
218,103,88,163,154,38,118,114,139,94,0,43,113,164,174,168,188,114,
0,23,119,42,86,93,255,226,202,80,191,155,255,158,136,0,247,62,
234,146,88,0,183,229,110,212,36,0,143,161,105,191,210,133,164,0,
41,30,89,164,0,132,30,89,42,178,222,217,121,22,11,221,107,22,
69,151,255,45,158,3,158,3,45,3,45,158,86,42,29,9,122,22,
213,209,110,53,221,57,159,101,91,93,140,45,247,213,37,185,34,0,
0,185,34,34,0,185,236,0,172,210,180,78,231,107,221,162,49,43,
43,162,49,49,43,162,36,248,213,114,0,214,213,36,248,149,34,243,
185,158,167,144,122,224,34,245,149,255,31,98,31,98,255,152,200,193,
255,80,95,128,123,63,102,62,72,255,62,148,151,226,108,159,99,255,
226,255,126,98,223,136,80,95,255,225,153,15,73,41,211,212,71,41,
83,217,187,180,235,79,0,166,127,251,135,243,229,41,0,41,0,229,
82,255,216,141,174,249,249,215,255,167,31,79,31,79,167,213,102,185,
255,215,83,4,2,40,224,171,220,41,0,4,6,50,90,221,15,113,
15,113,221,33,0,115,108,23,90,182,215,36

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = Display256
.ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO$PQRSTUVWXpApBpCpDpEpFpG$pHpIpJpKpLpMpNpOpPpQpRpSpTpU
pVpW$pXqAqBqCqDqEqFqGqHqIqJqKqLqMqNqO$qPqQqRqSqTqUqVqWqXrArBrCrDrErFrG
$rHrIrJrKrLrMrNrOrPrQrRrSrTrUrVrW$rXsAsBsCsDsEsFsGsHsIsJsKsLsMsNsO$sP
sQsRsSsTsUsVsWsXtAtBtCtDtEtFtG$tHtItJtKtLtMtNtOtPtQtRtStTtUtVtW$tXuAuB
uCuDuEuFuGuHuIuJuKuLuMuNuO$uPuQuRuSuTuUuVuWuXvAvBvCvDvEvFvG$vHvIvJvKvL
vMvNvOvPvQvRvSvTvUvVvW$vXwAwBwCwDwEwFwGwHwIwJwKwLwMwNwO$wPwQwRwSwTwUwV
wWwXxAxBxCxDxExFxG$xHxIxJxKxLxMxNxOxPxQxRxSxTxUxVxW$xXyAyByCyDyEyFyGyH
yIyJyKyLyMyNyO!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 4 ]]

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4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o![[ THEME 0 AUTOSTART GPS 8 Z 16 T 1 T 1 Z 19.027 T 2 T 2 Z 22.627 T 3 T 3 Z 26.909 T 4 T 4 Z 32 T 5 T 5 Z 38.055 T 6 T 6 Z 45.255 T 7 T 7 Z 53.817 LOOP 8 ]]

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » April 14th, 2024, 7:56 am

When I was coding stuff for my job in Python and had to give random but distinguishable colors, I would essentially have RGB each an integer from 0 to 4, and red be the index mod 5, green increment by 1 every 5 and reset every 25, and the blue increment by 1 every 25 and reset every 125... but the index gets multiplied by 86, so adjacent indices aren't adjacent colors.
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100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,44,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by squareroot12621 » April 14th, 2024, 8:03 am

hotdogPi wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 7:56 am
When I was coding stuff for my job in Python and had to give random but distinguishable colors, I would essentially have RGB each an integer from 0 to 4, and red be the index mod 5, green increment by 1 every 5 and reset every 25, and the blue increment by 1 every 25 and reset every 125... but the index gets multiplied by 86, so adjacent indices aren't adjacent colors.
The problem is that 125 (the period of the pattern you just described) is less than 256 (the maximum number of states).

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4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o![[ THEME 0 AUTOSTART GPS 8 Z 16 T 1 T 1 Z 19.027 T 2 T 2 Z 22.627 T 3 T 3 Z 26.909 T 4 T 4 Z 32 T 5 T 5 Z 38.055 T 6 T 6 Z 45.255 T 7 T 7 Z 53.817 LOOP 8 ]]

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » April 14th, 2024, 8:08 am

squareroot12621 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:03 am
hotdogPi wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 7:56 am
When I was coding stuff for my job in Python and had to give random but distinguishable colors, I would essentially have RGB each an integer from 0 to 4, and red be the index mod 5, green increment by 1 every 5 and reset every 25, and the blue increment by 1 every 25 and reset every 125... but the index gets multiplied by 86, so adjacent indices aren't adjacent colors.
The problem is that 125 (the period of the pattern you just described) is less than 256 (the maximum number of states).
That would be an easy fix: make RGB go 0-6 each, with 343. The index multiplier might need to be changed, but that's also easy to fix.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 14th, 2024, 8:22 am

unname4798 wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm
Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.
Planes 0-1 are blue channel bits.
Planes 2-4 are green channel bits.
Planes 5-7 are red channel bits.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 14th, 2024, 8:32 am

unname4798 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:22 am
unname4798 wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm
Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.
Planes 0-1 are blue channel bits.
Planes 2-4 are green channel bits.
Planes 5-7 are red channel bits.
That still does not determine the palette unambiguously.
For example, now I know that the set { 0, 1, 2, 3 } is the set of "pure blue" shades, and I can guess that probably 0 means black, but I still do not know which of 1, 2, 3 refers to which shade of blue.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 14th, 2024, 8:38 am

confocaloid wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:32 am
unname4798 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:22 am
unname4798 wrote:
April 13th, 2024, 12:30 pm
Please Modify Display256 to use RGB332 state colors.
Planes 0-1 are blue channel bits.
Planes 2-4 are green channel bits.
Planes 5-7 are red channel bits.
That still does not determine the palette unambiguously.
For example, now I know that the set { 0, 1, 2, 3 } is the set of "pure blue" shades, and I can guess that probably 0 means black, but I still do not know which of 1, 2, 3 refers to which shade of blue.
3 is lighter than 2, 2 is lighter than 1, 1 is lighter than 0. Same for Green and Red.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by confocaloid » April 14th, 2024, 8:42 am

unname4798 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:38 am
[...]
3 is lighter than 2, 2 is lighter than 1, 1 is lighter than 0. Same for Green and Red.
That helps with ordering, but I still do not know which specific shades should be picked if that's supposed to be made into a rulefile Rule:RGB332.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by unname4798 » April 14th, 2024, 8:45 am

confocaloid wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:42 am
unname4798 wrote:
April 14th, 2024, 8:38 am
[...]
3 is lighter than 2, 2 is lighter than 1, 1 is lighter than 0. Same for Green and Red.
That helps with ordering, but I still do not know which specific shades should be picked if that's supposed to be made into a rulefile Rule:RGB332.
All shades should be picked.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » April 14th, 2024, 9:57 am

RGB332 feels similar to what I described above. You would still want to increment 75 at a time to avoid similar colors next to each other, though.
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