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MathAndCode
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Re: Soup search results

goldenratio wrote:
December 16th, 2020, 10:56 pm
megasized_68h (final population 6867/6870) by apgoucher in G1, a new megasized record:
How can that region from Iwona be synthesized? My best guess is adding a dot spark to a blinker predecessor.

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``````x = 18, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
7bo\$6bo\$6b3o8\$9b2o\$9bobo\$9bo5\$16bo\$15b2o\$2o13bobo\$b2o\$o!``````
Also, the methuselah doesn't work with kill gliders enabled.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

wwei23
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Re: Soup search results

apgsearch is currently rolling the jackpot for the eater 2, but for now, have this.

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``````x = 45, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
5.A\$6.A\$4.3A2\$2.A\$A.A\$.2A8\$32.2A\$32.2A3\$26.2A13.2A\$26.2A13.2A2\$21.2A\$
21.2A2\$24.2A\$24.2A\$18.2A\$18.2A2\$32.2A\$32.2A2\$14.2A13.2A\$14.2A13.2A4\$
37.2A4.2A\$37.2A4.2A3\$18.2A\$18.2A\$37.2A\$37.2A!
``````
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goldenratio
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Re: Soup search results

Hot on the heels of the megasized_68h, here's a megasized_70h (final population 7086/7090) which also produces a fourteener:

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbbobbobooobo\$
oooboobobobooobo\$
oobooooboboooobo\$
oooobbbobboobobo\$
ooboobobobobobob\$
oboobbbbooboobbb\$
obobbbbbbboboobo\$
bbbobboobobobobo\$
bbboobobooboobob\$
oobbobbobboooobo\$
bbbbboooobooobob\$
bbobbooooooobooo\$
bobobbboobbbbbbo\$
boboobbobooooboo\$
oobobboboobbobbb\$
oobooobbbooobbob!``````
It has a simple seed (block+beehive+blinker+glider+modified R)
still lost in OCA and stuck on contributing to CGOL

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``````x = 5, y = 7, rule = B2n3-cq4e5y6c7c/S23-k
2o\$2o3\$3bo\$3b2o\$3bo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 1, rule = B3-jkr5ak/S2-n34a5i
4o!
``````

yujh
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Re: Soup search results

Yes, this is a new still life.

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3obo5bo2bo\$3b3o2b3o3b2o\$2obobobo3b4o\$2bo2b3obob3o\$o2b3obobo3b3o\$bob2o
3b6obo\$2ob2o4b3o\$4obo3bo2b4o\$obobo2bobobobobo\$2b4ob4o\$o3b5o2b3o\$2bobob
o3b3ob2o\$2obo2b3o3bo\$bo2b4ob2obo\$bob4o3bob2obo\$2o3b11o!``````
it’s pretty special for me.
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... o/b3s23/C1

Ian07
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Re: Soup search results

50093M. Beats the previous record by a relatively slim margin, but a new record nonetheless, and, of course, the first one to break 50k:

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbobbbbboboobob\$
bbbbbobbobbooboo\$
bbooobbobobbbobb\$
bobobbboboooobbo\$
bbbobobobooooooo\$
bbooboobooboobob\$
boooobbbbbboobbb\$
ooobooooboobbboo\$
ooooboobbobbbbbb\$
boboboobbobbbbbb\$
oobboooobbboooob\$
bboobobobbbobbbo\$
bobbbboboboobobb\$
booooboobboobbbo\$
bbooobbbbobbobob\$
oobobbbboobooobb!``````
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Re: Soup search results

Bump.
New p7 found by Calcyman ,2021-01-09

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obboooobbobooobb\$
obobbooobbboobbo\$
obobboooobbbbbbo\$
oobboboboooobbob\$
bbbboboboboobbbo\$
oobbbbbbobobbboo\$
bboobobbooobbooo\$
booobobooooooobo\$
bbobobbobbobbooo\$
boooooobbbbboobb\$
bobbboooobbboooo\$
obbboobbooooobbo\$
oboobooobbbboboo\$
oobooobobbbobobb\$
bbobbbooobbbooob\$
bobbbbobbbboboob!``````
the oscillator forms at exactly gen 11.

MathAndCode
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Re: Soup search results

yujh wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 8:49 pm
New p7 found by Calcyman
It's another natural burloaferimeter variant. Here is it shown alongside the version in the infobox on the LifeWiki page:

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``````x = 26, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
5bo\$4bobo\$3bobobo\$3bo3bo\$2obo2b2ob2o\$2obo4bobo\$4b4o2\$4b2o\$4b2o11b2ob2o
\$18bobo\$18bo3bo\$15b2obo2b4o\$15b2obo6bo\$19b6o2\$21b2o\$4b2ob2o12b2o\$2bo2b
obo\$2b2obo3bo\$5bo2b4o\$5bo6bo\$6b5obo\$11bo\$8b3o\$8bo!``````

Edit: Here's an overlaid version:

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``````x = 11, y = 10, rule = TripleB3S23
5.A\$2.2FAFG\$D2.G.G.A\$2D.G3.G\$2C.G2.2GFGA\$2C.G4.A.G\$4.4GFBD\$9.D\$4.2A2F
D\$4.2AFB!``````
The two natural versions are more similar to each other than they are to the minimum-population version (evidenced by the relatively large number of blue and yellow cells compared to red and cyan cells or green and magenta cells), such as a section of the stator in the top-right that resembles an aircraft carrier. This suggests that this type of structure is more likely to form naturally than alternative stators.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

wwei23
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Re: Soup search results

Ian07 wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 8:26 pm
50093M
-6:

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3bo5bob2obo\$5bo2bo2b2ob2o\$2b3o2bobo3bo\$3bo3bob4o2bo\$3bobobob2ob4o\$2b2o
b2ob2ob2obo\$2b2o7b2o\$4ob3ob2o3b2o\$2o2b3o2bo\$bobo2bo2bo\$2o2b4o3b4o\$2b2o
bobo3bo3bo\$bo4bobob2obo\$b4ob2o2b2o3bo\$2b3o4bo2bobo\$2obo4b2ob3o!
``````
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mniemiec
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Re: Soup search results

yujh wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 8:49 pm
Bump. New p7 found by Calcyman ,2021-01-09 ... the oscillator forms at exactly gen 11.
Nice! There are 65 29-bit burloaferimiters, and this is one of the 35 without known syntheses.
The synthesis should be fairly easy, given how it forms. Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:

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``````x = 161, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
9bo\$7bobo\$8boo\$18bo\$18bobo\$18boo\$\$9bo\$10boo\$9boo\$\$18bo\$19bo\$17b3o\$44b
3ob3o4bo38boo38b3o4bo\$4bo36bo4bo3bo5bo17boo20bo12bo4boo15bo4bo5bo9boob
oo\$5bo34b3ob3o3bo3b4o15b3o19bo14bobb3o14b3ob3o3b4o6bobbobo\$3b3o7boo26b
obbo5bo5bo16bo3bo17bo15bobo3bo13bobbo7bo7boobobobo\$12bobobboo25b3o3bo
4bo17bobob3o30bobbobob3o14b3o4bo11bobob3o\$13bo3bobo53b3o4bo14bo17b3o4b
o32bo6bo\$obo16bo56b3obo35b3obo33b5obo\$boo16boo58bo39bo39bo\$bo67bo6b3o
37b3o37b3o\$68bo7bo39bo39bo\$\$12bo\$12boo14boo\$11bobo13boo\$16boo11bo\$bb3o
10boo\$4bo12bo\$3bo!
``````

wwei23
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Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pm
Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
Why not just mutate the other burloaferimeter stator variant? It seems easier to me to start from there.
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Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pm
Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
wwei23 wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:24 pm
Why not just mutate the other burloaferimeter stator variant? It seems easier to me to start from there.
About half of them (all of the ones where the top is closed, i.e. with a tub) can be built that way, from one base. Unfortunately, I only know a synthesis for one of the simplest ones with an open top (plus another where the bottom block is moved). It's possible that several others could be made from that, but I haven't had the time to research it. That would probably be a good use for an automatic tool, e.g. the way Catagolue automatically finds syntheses using its converter library.

wwei23
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Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:31 pm
About half of them (all of the ones where the top is closed, i.e. with a tub) can be built that way, from one base. Unfortunately, I only know a synthesis for one of the simplest ones with an open top (plus another where the bottom block is moved). It's possible that several others could be made from that, but I haven't had the time to research it. That would probably be a good use for an automatic tool, e.g. the way Catagolue automatically finds syntheses using its converter library.
True. But I think that you'd be worse off trying to synthesize an object based off of a soup that forms it at T=11.
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MathAndCode
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Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pm
The synthesis should be fairly easy, given how it forms. Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:
It feels like that common blinker predecessor should require fewer than five gliders, even with the constraints. Here's a way to create it from the correct direction using a loaf and P spark, each of which only requires four gliders:

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``````x = 4, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2o\$3o3\$b2o\$o2bo\$obo\$bo!``````
However, it turns out to not fit. Still, I suspect that a suitable three- or four-glider synthesis exists.
wwei23 wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:34 pm
True. But I think that you'd be worse off trying to synthesize an object based off of a soup that forms it at T=11.
The formation boils down to a blinker, a wing sequence, a common blinker predecessor, and a couple of perturbations.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Soup search results

MathAndCode wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:40 pm
The formation boils down to a blinker, a wing sequence, a common blinker predecessor, and a couple of perturbations.
Right. But it seems that they have to be packed so closely together that to my eyes, it seems to be just plain impossible outside of lifecompetes! Goldtiger997 might think differently though,
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Re: Soup search results

wwei23 wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:45 pm
Right. But it seems that they have to be packed so closely together that to my eyes, it seems to be just plain impossible outside of lifecompetes! Goldtiger997 might think differently though,
I've seen that sort of thing happen thousands of generations (I think) in at least once. If you want, I can try to find the link.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

goldenratio
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Re: Soup search results

Another Hooks variant has appeared:
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xp5 ... 6a8o/b3s23

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbooboboooooboob\$
bobobbbobobboooo\$
bboooboboboobobb\$
bobobooboboobbbb\$
ooooooobbobooboo\$
bbbooobboobooobb\$
oooboobbboobbboo\$
boboooobbbbbbboo\$
ooobbbboobobbboo\$
booobobbbobobbbb\$
obobbbbooobobooo\$
obooboobbboobbob\$
obbbboobboooobbo\$
ooooobbbbooobobb\$
bbbbbbobbbobboob\$
ooooobbbbbobbboo!``````
This one involves an interaction that might be able to be turned into a component.
still lost in OCA and stuck on contributing to CGOL

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``````x = 5, y = 7, rule = B2n3-cq4e5y6c7c/S23-k
2o\$2o3\$3bo\$3b2o\$3bo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 1, rule = B3-jkr5ak/S2-n34a5i
4o!
``````

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Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 10:14 pm
yujh wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 8:49 pm
Bump. New p7 found by Calcyman ,2021-01-09 ... the oscillator forms at exactly gen 11.
Nice! There are 65 29-bit burloaferimiters, and this is one of the 35 without known syntheses.
The synthesis should be fairly easy, given how it forms. Here is an attempt that misses
the final step, although given the current state of Life engineering, it is likely to be possible:

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``RLE``
These work:

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``````x = 36, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
14bo\$7bo7b2o\$5bobo6b2o11bobo\$6b2o19b2o\$28bo\$17bo\$15b2o\$16b2o3\$33bo\$17b
2o14bobo\$16bobo2b2o2b2o6b2o\$17bo3bobo2bo\$24b2o\$20bo\$20bo\$20bo\$bo\$b2o\$o
bo\$10bo\$10b2o6b2o\$9bobo6bobo\$18bo13b3o\$5bo26bo\$5b2o26bo\$4bobo23\$14bo\$
15b2o\$14b2o11bobo\$27b2o\$28bo3\$7bo\$8bo\$6b3o\$33bo\$9b2o6b2o14bobo\$9bobo4b
obo2b2o2b2o6b2o\$9bo7bo3bobo2bo\$24b2o\$20bo\$20bo\$20bo2\$b3o\$3bo\$2bo7bo\$
10b2o6b2o\$9bobo6bobo\$18bo13b3o\$5bo26bo\$5b2o26bo\$4bobo!
``````
Possible slight improvement:

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``````x = 16, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2b2o\$2bobo3b2o\$b4o4b2o\$b2obo2bobo2b2o\$4o4bo3bobo\$14b2o\$6b5o\$5bo2b4o\$5b
3o3bo\$6b2o\$6bo!
``````
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goldenratio
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Re: Soup search results

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:
September 22nd, 2020, 7:13 pm
Over two years since it appeared in C2_2, and this asymmetric 15-bitter has yet to show up in either C1 or G1:
xs15_g8ge123z1ac
Finally!

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobbboobooobbbb\$
bboobooobbbbbooo\$
bobooobobbooobbb\$
oobboobbbbbbooob\$
bbbobobooboobboo\$
obbooobbbboobboo\$
bobobbobbooobobo\$
boobobbbobboboob\$
oobbobbbbbobbbob\$
booboooboboooooo\$
booobooooooooboo\$
booobobbbobbbbbb\$
ooobooooboooobbo\$
oooboobobbbobbbo\$
oooooobbobbbbooo\$
oobooobobbbbobob!``````
This is the first new xs15 in a few months, I think.

Does anyone have a list of the twelve remaining xs15s?
still lost in OCA and stuck on contributing to CGOL

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``````x = 5, y = 7, rule = B2n3-cq4e5y6c7c/S23-k
2o\$2o3\$3bo\$3b2o\$3bo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 1, rule = B3-jkr5ak/S2-n34a5i
4o!
``````

wwei23
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Re: Soup search results

Well, the xs15 is asymmetric. Sure, it showed up in a symmetric soup, but as far as I can tell, it might as well have been natural.
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Re: Soup search results

wwei23 wrote:
January 15th, 2021, 8:38 pm
Well, the xs15 is asymmetric. Sure, it showed up in a symmetric soup, but as far as I can tell, it might as well have been natural.
Would you care as to clarify on what you mean by this?
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Re: Soup search results

wwei23 wrote:
January 15th, 2021, 8:38 pm
Well, the xs15 is asymmetric. Sure, it showed up in a symmetric soup, but as far as I can tell, it might as well have been natural.
Heh, look at the post you're responding to again (not the quoted part). For this object there's no longer any need to dive in to those natural-vs.-not-quite-natural philosophical difficulties.

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Re: Soup search results

52513M(!) found yesterday by inspirehep:

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``````x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
ooobbooboboobooo\$
oobobooobbbbobob\$
bobbobbobobooobo\$
bbobboobbbobbobb\$
bbobbbbbobobbboo\$
obbbboobbbooobob\$
bbboobbobbobobbo\$
bboooobobboboobb\$
ooboobboobbbbboo\$
oboooobobbbbooob\$
obbboooobbooobbb\$
boooooooooobbooo\$
oobbbobooobobooo\$
booboooooobbbobo\$
obobbbbboooobobb\$
oooboboboobbbbbo!``````
This lasts over 2400 generations longer than the previous record.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Soup search results

creeperman7002 wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 3:48 pm
52513M(!) found yesterday by inspirehep:
Here's a version with a population of only 32:

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``````x = 8, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
4b2o\$5bo\$2bobo\$2bo10\$4bobo\$5bo\$5bo5\$b2o\$b2o5\$4b2o\$4bobo\$o6bo\$bo2bo2bo
\$2bo4bo\$o5bo\$bo3bo\$2b3o!``````
Further population reductions likely are possible.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

goldenratio
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Re: Soup search results

MathAndCode wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 4:49 pm
Here's a version with a population of only 32:

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``````x = 8, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
4b2o\$5bo\$2bobo\$2bo10\$4bobo\$5bo\$5bo5\$b2o\$b2o5\$4b2o\$4bobo\$o6bo\$bo2bo2bo
\$2bo4bo\$o5bo\$bo3bo\$2b3o!``````
Further population reductions likely are possible.
Calcyman posted this population 27 52444M on the Discord:

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``````x = 19, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
11bo\$10bob2o\$9b2o11\$11bobo\$12bo\$12bo10\$15bo\$13b2o\$8b2o4bo\$9b2o\$10bo6bo
\$17b2o4\$bo\$b2o\$obo!``````
Probably minimal, unless there's some <10 cell edgy enough loaf predecessor that times just right.
still lost in OCA and stuck on contributing to CGOL

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``````x = 5, y = 7, rule = B2n3-cq4e5y6c7c/S23-k
2o\$2o3\$3bo\$3b2o\$3bo!
``````

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``````x = 4, y = 1, rule = B3-jkr5ak/S2-n34a5i
4o!
``````

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Re: Soup search results

goldenratio wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 4:55 pm
Calcyman posted this population 27 52444M on the Discord:

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``````x = 19, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
11bo\$10bob2o\$9b2o11\$11bobo\$12bo\$12bo10\$15bo\$13b2o\$8b2o4bo\$9b2o\$10bo6bo
\$17b2o4\$bo\$b2o\$obo!``````
Probably minimal, unless there's some <10 cell edgy enough loaf predecessor that times just right.
I independently found this, which lasts for slightly longer:

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``````x = 19, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
11b2o\$12bo\$10bo\$8bobo10\$11bobo\$12bo\$12bo9\$15bo\$15b2o\$9bo4bo\$9bo\$9b3o\$
17b2o\$17bo5\$bo\$b2o\$obo!``````
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.