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HartmutHolzwart
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Re: Soup search results

Post by HartmutHolzwart » April 26th, 2021, 6:43 am

There is a new flotilla in the G1 census:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oooooobobooboobo$
oboboboobbobbbob$
oboobobooboobobo$
oobbbobboooboooo$
bboobobobooobbbo$
boobobooooobbbbb$
bobobooobobobbbb$
bobboobbobooooob$
obobbbboooobobbb$
bobooboobobobobb$
bbbbobobbbbooooo$
bobboboooobboobo$
ooobbobboobooboo$
oobobboobbbbobob$
ooboooooobbobboo$
oooobbobbbbobooo!
I think the way it forms is quite standard, but the interesting thing is how wide it is!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » April 26th, 2021, 7:11 am

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 6:43 am
There is a new flotilla in the G1 census:

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RLE
I think the way it forms is quite standard, but the interesting thing is how wide it is!
Yeah, I think that's the first time apgsearch has recognized a three-spaceship flotilla in an asymmetric soup; although in reality it's actually a pseudo-flotilla.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by wwei47 » April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am

It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!

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x = 17, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3b3o$15bo$14bo$3b3o8b3o$2bo3bo$bo5bo$bo5bo$bo5bo$2bo3bo$3b3o5$3o3b
3o2$4bo$4bo$4bo!

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x = 19, y = 17, rule = Symbiosis
11.A$9.2A.A$3.A$2.3A3.A6.A$.A2.A3.2A5.A$A7.A.3A2.2A$A.3A4.A.4A.3A$.2A
2.B3.A4.A$B.B8.2A$13.A$12.2A$7.B3.2A4.2B$8.2A.A5.A$10.A3.A$9.2AB.B$8.
A2.2B4.B$8.B9.A!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » April 26th, 2021, 11:55 am

wwei47 wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am
It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!
In what situation would you need a soup-based synthesis of a LWSS on LWSS where you can't just check in, say, mniemiec's database?

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » April 26th, 2021, 12:47 pm

wwei47 wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am
It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!
There's a practical problem with "not separating LWSSes on LWSSes". They're separated because the current census code separates them.

I'm not really an expert here, but from what I understand, changing the census code to not separate LWSSes on LWSSes, but continue to separate everything else that currently gets separated, is either hard to do... or it's somewhat slower. Like, you could add some new code that runs whenever a soup census includes an LWSS count greater than one, and just look to see whether two of them happen to be in the LWSS-on-LWSS position.

Changing methodology midstream would kind of invalidate the relevant census statistics, though. It might be something to consider if a whole new census run is started at some point -- say starting from zero counts with 32x32 soups, or something like that.

Another example that comes to mind is there are a lot of cases where it would be useful to collect soups for various pseudo-still lifes -- block on eater, beehive on loaf, or whatever. Currently it's hard to dig up soups that might help synthesize these pseudo combinations more efficiently. But adjusting the census code to track these separately would probably be a highly non-trivial design effort.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » April 26th, 2021, 6:00 pm

dvgrn wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 12:47 pm
There's a practical problem with "not separating LWSSes on LWSSes". They're separated because the current census code separates them. ...

Another example that comes to mind is there are a lot of cases where it would be useful to collect soups for various pseudo-still lifes -- block on eater, beehive on loaf, or whatever. Currently it's hard to dig up soups that might help synthesize these pseudo combinations more efficiently. But adjusting the census code to track these separately would probably be a highly non-trivial design effort.
Why not have apgsearch just both separate and not separate them? E.g. if it finds a boat-on-beehive, log a boat, a beehive, and a boat-on-beehive. Since the code right now parses each cluster individually to see if needs to be separated or not, it shouldn't be difficult to have it just list the cluster both ways. (In the rare cases where there are multiple adjacent objects, it could list them by a divide-and-conquer approach).

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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » May 2nd, 2021, 9:33 pm

This p4 oscillator just occurred naturally.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b2o2b6obo$o2bo3b2o2bo2b2o$3b2obob4o$3obobo2bo2b2o$o2b3ob4o4bo$4obo2b3o
2b2o$o3b3o5b3o$2o4b3o3bob2o$bobo2bobo2b2o$8b2o5bo$2bobobob3o$bob4ob2o
2b2o$bo2bobo7b2o$2ob2o2bobobo2bo$bo3b2obob5o$3b2o2b4o!


Edit: I'll mention these in case someone makes a suitable synthesis.

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x = 213, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
89bo$87b2o$88b2o$b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo$o2bo3b2o2b
o2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o$3b2obob4o
51b2obob4o51b2obob4o14bo36b2obob4o14bo$3obobo2bo2b2o46b3obobo2bo2b2o46b
3obobo2bo2b2o12bobo31b3obobo2bo2b2o12bobo$o2b3ob4o4bo44bo2b3ob4o4bo44b
o2b3ob4o4bo10b2o32bo2b3ob4o4bo10b2o$4obo2b3o2b2o45b4obo2b3o2b2o45b4ob
o2b3o2b2o45b4obo2b3o2b2o$o3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o
$2o4b3o3bob2o44b2o4b3o3bob2o44b2o4b3o3bob2o15bo28b2o4b3o3bob2o15bo$bo
bo2bobo2b2o48bobo2bobo2b2o48bobo2bobo2b2o17b2o29bobo2bobo2b2o17b2o$8b
2o5bo52b2o5bo52b2o5bo14bobo35b2o5bo14bobo$2bobobob3o51bobobob3o51bobo
bob3o51bobobob3o$bob4ob2o2b2o11bo35bob4ob2o2b2o47bob4ob2o2b2o47bob4ob
2o2b2o11bo$bo2bobo7b2o8bo36bo2bobo7b2o45bo2bobo7b2o45bo2bobo7b2o8bo$2o
b2o2bobobo2bo9b3o33b2ob2o2bobobo2bo45b2ob2o2bobobo2bo45b2ob2o2bobobo2b
o9b3o$bo3b2obob5o46bo3b2obob5o11b3o32bo3b2obob5o46bo3b2obob5o$3b2o2b4o
52b2o2b4o15bo36b2o2b4o52b2o2b4o$87bo9$23b2o178b2o$23bobo177bobo$23bo179b
o!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » May 4th, 2021, 12:22 pm

BREAKING: A new 15-bitter has appeared today at 03:00:56 UTC, discovered by Rob Liston. Soup:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boooooboobobooob$
bbbbboboobbobbob$
bobbbobobobooooo$
boooobbboboooobo$
obooobbobobobboo$
obooooboooobbbob$
obbbbbobobbobooo$
bobobbbooboboooo$
boboobbobboobboo$
bobbbbobbobbbooo$
obboobobbbbbbbbb$
bobooooobbobbbbb$
boooboooobobooob$
oooooobbbbbooobb$
obbbbbbobobobbbo$
bobobbobbbbbobob!
With the appearance of this still life, the number of unnatural xs15s is now in the single digits (9).

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x = 42, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
8bo12b2o$6b3o12bo$5bo16bo$6bo13bobo17b2o$7bo11bobo9b2o6bobo$5bobo10bob
o11bo5bo$4bobo11bo13bob2obo$4bo14bo13bob2o$5bo14bo$4b2o13b2o5$40b2o$
41bo$40bo$2bobo12b2o20bo$2b2obo11bo20bo$5bo12bo18bo$5b3o11bo16bo$8bo9b
2o15bo$7bo12b2o12bo$6bo13bobo10bo$5bo17bobo6bo$5b2o17b2o5bo$31b2o7$36b
2obo$19b2o14bo2b2o$6bo12bo4b2o8bobo$5bobo13bobobo7bobo$4bo2bo12b3o10bo
$3bo3bob2o8bo14bo$obo5bobo9bo14bo$2o17b2o13b2o!
EDIT: A megasized_72h from G1, found on 04/27/2021, 06:12:38 UTC by the same person:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
ooobbooobbbboboo$
oobbbbbbbobobooo$
bbboobbbbbobobbo$
obobbbbbboobbobb$
bbobobbobobbboob$
oooobbooobbooooo$
boooobbbboooobbb$
obboboooobobobbb$
obboobbbbbboooob$
obboooooobobbobb$
obobboobbbbobbob$
boobbbbooobbooob$
bobobbooboooobbb$
obobbboooobooooo$
bobbbbooooboobbo$
ooboooobobobbbbo!
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
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