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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 5th, 2021, 7:21 am

pzq_alex wrote:
June 5th, 2021, 2:50 am
Almost pi-to-g.

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x = 9, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$3o4b2o$obo$obo!
This is a really good, really old reaction, frequently rediscovered -- the "three-block shifter", just after one of the blocks has been hit with a glider and turned into a pi.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by cvojan » June 6th, 2021, 4:40 pm

Two transparent beehives:

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x = 33, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
29bo$28bobo$28bobo$29bo5$bo5bo23bo$3o3bobo21b3o$obo3bobo21bobo$o6bo22b
o!
I don't see an occurrence of these anywhere, unless I skipped some obscure part of the website.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by mniemiec » June 7th, 2021, 12:56 pm

ihatecorderships wrote:
May 28th, 2021, 2:43 pm
Glider insertion technique:

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x = 21, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
12.3D$12.D$4.A.A5.3D$4.2A$5.A12.C$2.D8.3C4.C.C$2D9.C.C4.2C$.2D8.C.C!
Thanks! I didn't think I needed this at the time, but I just thought of several uses for it. Here it is, with full cleanup, for a mere 4 gliders:

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x = 19, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
16bobo$16boo$17bo4$bbo$oo$boo12bo$14bo$14b3o4$8bo$7boo$7bobo$$5bo$5boo
$4bobo!
EDIT: I thought this might be useful for injecting a glider behind B29, but it fails for all three variants; in two of them, the B29's HW spark interferes with the advancing pseudopod three times before it becomes a glider, and in the third variant, it does so twice, so something more brute-force (e.g. a wave advancing at c) might be required.

On a more positive (yet trivial) note, this does solve the synthesis of 9 out of the 12 unsolved quasi-spaceships with a glider following a crab (+1 more, making the pi from block+glider), and 9 out of 12 with a glider following 27P4­H1V1.1 (+2 more, making the pi from block+glider).

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by C28 » June 8th, 2021, 11:58 am

4 glider synthesis of U-turner

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x = 19, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
6bo$5bo$5b3o9bo$16bo$16b3o7$b2o6b3o$obo8bo$2bo7bo!

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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 8th, 2021, 1:13 pm

C28 wrote:
June 8th, 2021, 11:58 am
4 glider synthesis of U-turner...
synthesise-patt.py knows about 22 three-glider collisions that produce the b3o$b3o$obo$2o! object (or something with the same population sequence that converges to it within a few ticks):

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x = 1587, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
8bo70bo74bo70bo75bo77bo70bobo73bo78bo77bo74bo71bo72bo71bo74bo75bo6bo
71bo70bo5b3o71bo74bo68bobo83bo$9bo70bo74bo70b2o74bo77bo70b2o74bo78bo
77bo74bo68b2o74bo71b2o73b2o74bo4bo70bobo71bo4bo74bo74bo68b2o81b2o$7b3o
68b3o72b3o69b2o73b3o75b3o70bo73b3o76b3o75b3o72b3o69b2o71b3o5b2o63b2o
73b2o73b3o4b3o69b2o69b3o5bo71b3o67bo4b3o68bo83b2o$bo824bo83bobo67bo74b
o294b2o74b2o153bo$2bo73bo152bo82bo63bo6bo443bo82bo69b2o73b2o144bo149b
2o72b2o155bo$3o3bo70bo72b2o5bobo69b2o5bo64b2o8b2o63b2o4b2o71bo72bobo
76bobo75bobo72bobo62b3o72b2o77bobo72bobo71b2o72bo74b2o71bo4b3o72b3o
143b2o2b3o$6b2o67b3o2bo70b2o4b2o69bobo4b2o65b2o7bobo61bobo4bobo71bo71b
2o77b2o76b2o73b2o68bo70b2o226b2o69b3o75b2o77bo74bo142bobo$5bobo72bobo
67bo7bo76bobo63bo152b3o72bo70b2o6bo77bo74bo68b2o68bo84b3o140bo148bo78b
o74bo91bo53bo$80b2o519b2o226bobo153bo535b2o$600bo149b2o234bo70b3o142b
2o318b2o$453b2o296b2o304bo145b2o313bo$452b2o296bo307bo143bo316bo$454bo
1062b3o3$676bo$676b2o$526b2o147bobo$527b2o$526bo!
That doesn't include "U-turners" with dying sparks. If you search for the 20-tick descendant of b3o$b3o$obo$2o!, there are seventy-odd 3G collisions:

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x = 5412, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
bo81bo70bo72bo76bo70bo80bo69bo74bo74bo74bo6bo69bo72bo94bo82bo49bo71bo
74bo78bo74b2o72bo73bo71bobo76bo5bo65bo76bo72bo74bo75bo77bo74bo77bo74bo
71bo72bo82bo63bo76bo76bo71bo73bo79bo69bo74bo74bo75bo74bo6bo70bo76bo69b
o73bo79bo70bo74bo5b3o71bo74bo68bo74bo75bo89bo74bo65bo69bo78bo68bo6bo
75bo66bobo83bo72bo66bo83bo79bo65bo$2bo6bo74bo70bo72bo76bo70b2o79b2o68b
o74bo74bo74bo6bo69bo72bo94bo82bo48bobo70bo74bo78bo69bo3bobo72bo70b2o
73b2o77bo2b2o67bo76bo72bo74bo75bo77bo74bo77bo74bo68b2o74bo81bobo62b2o
72bobo74bobo72b2o72b2o78b2o68b2o73b2o73b2o74bo74bo4bo72bo76bo69bo73b2o
75bobo71bo74bo4bo74bo74bo68b2o73b2o74bo86b2o73b2o67bo66bobo79bo68b2o5b
o75bo66b2o81b2o71b2o68bo80b2o78b2o64b2o$3o5bo73b3o68b3o70b3o2bo71b3o
69b2o79b2o67b3o72b3o72b3o72b3o4b3o67b3o70b3o92b3o80b3o45bo2b2o69b3o72b
3o76b3o70bo2bo72b3o71b2o72bo76b3o3b2o64b3o74b3o70b3o72b3o73b3o75b3o72b
3o75b3o72b3o69b2o71b3o5b2o74b2o62b2o74b2o75b2o71b2o72b2o78b2o68b2o73b
2o73b2o73b3o72b3o4b3o68b3o69bobo2b3o67b3o72b2o6bo70b2o69b3o72b3o5bo71b
3o67bo4b3o67b2o73b2o73b3o87b2o73b2o64b3o67b2o77b3o67b2o4b3o73b3o66bo
83b2o71b2o65b3o81b2o78b2o64b2o$8b3o65bo154bobo893bo297b3o1048bo83bobo
62bo305bo73bo79bo69bo74bo370b2o156bo290b2o74b2o77bo74bo750bo72bo150bo
79bo65bo$77bo73bo79b2o146bo80bo76bo74bo512b3o373bo6bo67bo900bo82bo65b
2o303b2o72b2o78b2o68b2o73b2o73bo220bo5b3o66bo78bo76b3o66bo224b2o72b2o
77b2o73b2o596bo154bo72bo150bo79bo65bo$75b3o3bo70bo147b2o5bobo69b2o5bo
73b2o76bo62b2o8b2o63b2o80b2o67b2o71b2o93b2o81b2o120b2o299b2o4b2o68bo
77bo70b2o75bobo74bobo70bobo72bobo69bo3bobo75bobo72bobo75bobo72bobo62b
3o72b2o73b2o3bo74bo224bobo71bobo77bobo67bobo72bobo74bo70b3o73b2o71b2o
6bo70b2o71b2o147bo74b2o73b2o71bo4b3o72b3o71bobo72bobo69b3o226b2o147b2o
74b2o68bobo3b2o143b2o2b3o70b3o148b3o77b3o63b3o$2b3o76b2o67b3o2bo145b2o
4b2o69bobo4b2o72bobo74b3o63b2o7bobo63b2o80b2o67b2o71b2o93b2o81b2o120b
2o152b3o142bobo4bobo65b3o78bo68bobo75b2o75b2o71b2o73b2o71b2ob2o76b2o
73b2o76b2o73b2o68bo70b2o77b2o74b2o596b3o72bo74b2o69bobo5bo70bobo72b2o
144b3o75b2o73b2o77bo74bo220bo226bobo146bobo73bobo68b2o3bobo141bobo157b
o$4bo75bobo72bobo68bo73bo7bo76bobo213bo74bo81bo68bo72bo94bo82bo46b2o
73bo151bo2bo70b3o225b3o70bo76bo76bo72bo74bo70b2o3bo69b2o6bo74bo77bo74b
o68b2o68bo78bobo73b2o3bo364b2o83b3o215bo74bo152bo152b2o141bo74bo78bo
74bo220bo227bo148bo75bo75bo91bo53bo155b2o$3bo151b2o69b2o222b3o673b2o
157bo64bobo3bo69bo749b2o73bo227bobo228b2o364b2o82bo599b2o1209b2o211b2o
$225bobo224bo84b2o142bo443bo160bo64b2o74bo149b2o596bo76bo147b2o307bobo
64bo73bo224bo85bo70b3o71b3o73b2o375bo67b2o1143b2o206bo$451bo86b2o140b
2o602b3o290bobo73b2o595b3o148b2o374b2o72b2o379bo75bo72b2o445b2o76bo
1061bo212bo$537bo142bobo894bo74b2o146b2o598bo375b2o3bo68b2o3bo70b2o75b
2o228bo73bo75bo292b3o148bo77b2o668b3o391bo209b3o$1654bo146b2o73bo904b
2o72b2o68bobo74bobo671bo228bobo374bo292bo150bo240b3o$1284b2o514bo75b2o
902bobo71bobo70bo76bo672bo524bo78b2o293bo103bo45b2o$825b2o458b2o588bob
o2323b2o78bobo67b3o327bo43bobo$826b2o456bo1041bo1874bobo147bo327b3o
728bo$825bo1500b2o2024bo1056b2o$1951b2o372bobo2772b3o306bobo$1952b2o
2724b2o422bo147b2o$1951bo76b2o2648bobo420bo149b2o$916b2o1109b2o2397bo
74bo176bo571bo$916bobo1110bo2397bo74bo$916bo59b2o3447b3o72b3o$975bobo
73b2o154bo$977bo72bobo153b2o$1052bo153bobo3217bo75bo$4426b2o73b2o$
4425bobo73bobo11$5325b2o$5326b2o$5325bo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by EvinZL » June 9th, 2021, 11:55 am

Component, there's probably something better known already

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x = 62, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
39bo$27bob2o7bo$25b3ob2o7b3o$24bo$25b3ob2o8bo$27bobo8b2o$27bobo8bobo$
28bo16$59b2o$59bobo$59bo11$3o$2bo$bo54b2o$56bobo$56bo!
EDIT: turns out it has no synthesis on Catagolue!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 9th, 2021, 5:44 pm

EvinZL wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 11:55 am
Component, there's probably something better known already

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x = 62, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
39bo$27bob2o7bo$25b3ob2o7b3o$24bo$25b3ob2o8bo$27bobo8b2o$27bobo8bobo$
28bo16$59b2o$59bobo$59bo11$3o$2bo$bo54b2o$56bobo$56bo!
I just submitted the following to Catagolue:

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x = 2936, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
2193bo$2194bo$2035bo156b3o$2035bobo$2035b2o2$1006bobo$1006b2o$1007bo$
1403bo$74bo933bo395bo333bo982bobo203bobo4bo$74bobo686bobo241bo394b3o332b
o983b2o204b2o4bo$74b2o687b2o5bo236b3o727b3o982bo205bo4b3o$764bo4bo$769b
3o$508bobo1679bob2o$508b2o1678b3ob2o$509bo1677bo$2188b3ob2o$2190bobo$
2190bobo$2191bo2$59bo1143bob2o$59bobo1139b3ob2o199bob2o$59b2o1139bo203b
3ob2o$1201b3ob2o196bo298bob2o$974bob2o225bobo31bo166b3ob2o290b3ob2o295b
ob2o187b2o$972b3ob2o225bobo14bo15bo169bobo290bo299b3ob2o188b2o175bo142b
ob2o$731bob2o236bo232bo16bo14b3o167bobo13b3o275b3ob2o292bo193bo161bob
2o11bo141b3ob2o$729b3ob2o237b3ob2o241b3o185bo16bo14b3o260bobo3b2o289b
3ob2o347b3ob2o11b3o138bo179bob2o202bob2o$728bo245bobo446bo15bo122bob2o
8bo127bobo2bo2bo290bobo347bo159b3ob2o171b3ob2o200b3ob2o$729b3ob2o239b
obo463bo119b3ob2o6b2o129bo3bo2bo150bob2o136bobo3b2o343b3ob2o155bobo171b
o205bo$27bob2o700bobo241bo583bo13b2o133b2o149b3ob2o8bo128bo3bo2bo344b
obo156bobo2b2o168b3ob2o200b3ob2o$25b3ob2o700bobo826b3ob2o292bo12b2o133b
o2bo344bobo157bo3bobo169bobo203bobo$24bo243bo208bob2o251bo829bobo294b
3ob2o7b2o133b2o346bo163bobo168bobo203bobo$25b3ob2o236bo207b3ob2o1081b
obo296bobo507bo148bo170bo205bo$27bobo237b3o204bo1088bo297bobo506b2o$27b
obo221bob2o220b3ob2o1381bo507bobo$28bo220b3ob2o222bobo1880b2o$248bo228b
obo1879bobo$249b3ob2o223bo9b2o1871bo$251bobo233bo2bo$251bobo233bo2bo$
252bo235b2o$1573b3o$1573bo604b2o$1574bo297b3o302bobo$1199b3o670bo306b
o$63bo203b2o932bo671bo$62b2o202b2o932bo962b3o$62bobo203bo1896bo$2164b
o54b2o$2036b3o180bobo$2036bo182bo$2037bo3$1176b3o$1178bo200b3o1167b2o
$1010b2o165bo54b2o147bo1166b2o$1009b2o221bobo145bo54b2o238b3o58b2o812b
o$765bo181b3o61bo6b2o212bo202bobo239bo58bobo235b3o$764b2o183bo68bobo414b
o240bo54b2o3bo239bo509b3o$704b3o57bobo181bo54b2o13bo712bobo241bo54b2o
456bo234b3o203b3o$706bo296bobo725bo298bobo454bo54b2o3b2o114b3o57bo145b
3o57bo$705bo54b2o241bo1026bo511bobo2bobo115bo58bo146bo58bo$760bobo1779b
o4bo116bo54b2o149bo54b2o$3o757bo1958bobo203bobo4bo$2bo2716bo205bo5b2o
$bo54b2o392b3o2478bobo$56bobo393bo$56bo394bo54b2o$506bobo$506bo!
Also, is that four-glider tub with tail synthesis known? I didn't notice it in Mark Niemiec's database.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Kazyan » June 9th, 2021, 7:12 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 5:44 pm
Also, is that four-glider tub with tail synthesis known? I didn't notice it in Mark Niemiec's database.
It's either unknown or poorly-documented--I've occasionally wished for a TWIT synthesis just like that, though I don't remember the exact reasons it would have been helpful in the past. As a proof of concept, it can be used to improve a 13-cell still life:

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x = 28, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2bobo$3b2o$3bo2$5bo$6bo$4b3o5$12bobo$13b2o$13bo$20bo$19bo$3o4bo11b3o$
2bo4b2o$bo4bobo4$26bo$25b2o$25bobo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 9th, 2021, 7:23 pm

Kazyan wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 7:12 pm
It's either unknown or poorly-documented--I've occasionally wished for a TWIT synthesis just like that, though I don't remember the exact reasons it would have been helpful in the past. As a proof of concept, it can be used to improve a 13-cell still life:
There's another one in Mark Niemiec's database, but the clearance isn't as good.

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x = 18, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
11bo$11bobo2bo$11b2o2b2o$bo13bobo$b2o$obo$5b3o$5bo$6bo!
It also works with your example.

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x = 24, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
4bobo$5b2o$5bo2$13bo$13bobo$13b2o3$bo$2bo$3o5$8bobo$9b2o$9bo$16bo$15bo
$3bo11b3o$3b2o$2bobo4$22bo$21b2o$21bobo!
I'll probably add those and some related fast components to the fast components collection.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by mniemiec » June 9th, 2021, 8:41 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 5:44 pm
Also, is that four-glider tub with tail synthesis known? I didn't notice it in Mark Niemiec's database.
Kazyan wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 7:12 pm
It's either unknown or poorly-documented--I've occasionally wished for a TWIT synthesis just like that, though I don't remember the exact reasons it would have been helpful in the past. As a proof of concept, it can be used to improve a 13-cell still life:
MathAndCode wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 7:23 pm
There's another one in Mark Niemiec's database, but the clearance isn't as good. ...
I wasn't aware of this one, thanks! Both of these just modify the 2-glider Eater edge-shooter, but this new one is clearly superior, because it is less obtrusive.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 10th, 2021, 10:40 am

MathAndCode wrote:
June 9th, 2021, 7:23 pm
I'll probably add those and some related fast components to the fast components collection.
I just added them. I split the two-glider fast preblock->tub component into a one-glider fast preblock->cis-bun component and a one-glider fast cis-bun->tub component (which is how I found it in the first place). I didn't do the same thing for the first two fast preblock->beehive components because the preblock interacts sooner, but I could change my mind in response to a good argument by someone else or seeing that most cis-bun with tail formations are compatible.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by ihatecorderships » June 10th, 2021, 2:02 pm

The swan is very edge-repairing on its SE side, and a swanstretcher can stop a lot of fuses without damaging itself.

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x = 507, y = 334, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$3o9bobo$o2b3o6bo9bo$bobo16b2obo$6bo4b2o2bo3b2o2bo$4bo6b2o2bob2o
2bo$6bob2obo3b5o$15b2o$7bo2b6o$8b7o$10b3o2$13bo$12bobo$13bobo$14bobo$
15bobo$16bobo$17bobo$18bobo$19bobo$20bobo$21bobo$22bobo$23bobo$24bobo$
25bobo$26bobo$27bobo$28bobo$29bobo$30bobo$31bobo$32bobo$33bobo$34bobo$
35bobo$36bobo$37bobo$38bobo$39bobo$40bobo$41bobo$42bobo$43bobo$44bobo$
45bobo$46bobo$47bobo$48bobo$49bobo$50bobo$51bobo$52bobo$53bobo$54bobo$
55bobo$56bobo$57bobo$58bobo$59bobo$60bobo$61bobo$62bobo$63bobo$64bobo$
65bobo$66bobo$67bobo$68bobo$69bobo$70bobo$71bobo$72bobo$73bobo$74bobo$
75bobo$76bobo$77bobo$78bobo$79bobo$80bobo$81bobo$82bobo$83bobo$84bobo$
85bobo$86bobo$87bobo$88bobo$89bobo$90bobo$91bobo$92bobo$93bobo$94bobo$
95bobo$96bobo$97bobo$98bobo$99bobo$100bobo$101bobo$102bobo$103bobo$
104bobo$105bobo$106bobo$107bobo$108bobo$109bobo$110bobo$111bobo$112bob
o$113bobo$114bobo$115bobo$116bobo$117bobo$118bobo$119bobo$120bobo$121b
obo$122bobo$123bobo$124bobo$125bobo$126bobo$127bobo$128bobo$129bobo$
130bobo$131bobo$132bobo$133bobo$134bobo$135bobo$136bobo$137bobo$138bob
o$139bobo$140bobo$141bobo$142bobo$143bobo$144bobo$145bobo$146bobo$147b
obo$148bobo$149bobo$150bobo$151bobo$152bobo$153bobo$154bobo$155bobo$
156bobo$157bobo$158bobo$159bobo$160bobo$161bobo$162bobo$163bobo$164bob
o$165bobo$166bobo$167bobo$168bobo$169bobo$170bobo$171bobo$172bobo$173b
obo$174bobo$175bobo$176bobo$177bobo$178bobo$179bobo$180bobo$181bobo$
182bobo$183bobo$184bobo$185bobo$186bobo$187bobo$188bobo$189bobo$190bob
o$191bobo$192bobo$193bobo$194bobo$195bobo$196bobo$197bobo$198bobo$199b
obo$200bobo$201bobo$202bobo$203bobo$204bobo$205bobo$206bobo$207bobo$
208bobo$209bobo$210bobo$211bobo$212bobo$213bobo$214bobo$215bobo$216bob
o$217bobo$218bobo$219bobo$220bobo$221bobo$222bobo$223bobo$224bobo$225b
obo$226bobo$227bobo$228bobo$229bobo$230bobo$231bobo$232bobo$233bobo$
234bobo$235bobo$236bobo$237bobo$238bobo$239bobo$240bobo$241bobo$242bob
o$243bobo$244bobo$245bobo$246bobo$247bobo$248bobo$249bobo$250bobo$251b
obo$252bobo$253bobo$254bobo$255bobo$256bobo$257bobo$258bobo$259bobo$
260bobo$261bobo$262bobo$263bobo$264bobo$265bobo$266bobo$267bobo$268bob
o$269bobo$270bobo$271bobo$272bobo$273bobo$274bobo$275bobo$276bobo$277b
obo$278bobo$279bobo$280bobo$281bobo$282bobo$283bobo$284bobo$285bobo$
286bobo$287bobo$288bobo$289bobo$290bobo$291bobo$292bobo$293bobo$294bob
o$295bobo$296bobo$297bobo$298bobo$299bobo$300bobo$301bobo$302bobo$303b
obo$304bobo$305bobo$306bobo$307bobo$308bobo$309bobo$310bobo$311bobo$
312bobo$313bobo$314bobo$315bobo$316bobo$317bobo$318bobo$319bobo$320bob
o$321bobo$322bobo$323bobo$324bobo$325bobo$326bobo$327bobo$328bobo$329b
obo$330bobo$331bob174o$332bo!
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ek3ij4-jnqrz/S23
2b2o$3bo$ob2o$3o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 11th, 2021, 11:11 pm

I figured out a eight-cell predecessor of a clean ship-tie.

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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4bo2$2b2o$bo$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Gustone » June 12th, 2021, 3:48 pm

Does this have any value?

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x = 19, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
9.C$7.3C$6.C11.C$6.2C8.3C$15.C$15.2C7$17.E$15.E.E$15.3E$2.2C11.E$3.C$
3C$C!

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2bo6bo$obo5bobo$b2o5bobo$4b2ob2ob2o$4bo3bobo$5b2obo2bo$6bobo3bo$6bo2b
3o$4b2obobo$3bobobo$4bo2b2o$7bo2bo$9b2o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 12th, 2021, 4:06 pm

Gustone wrote:
June 12th, 2021, 3:48 pm
Does this have any value?
Well... definitely! But it's not new. It's an H-to-R converter that's been known for about a quarter of a century now -- part of the L156 Herschel conduit:

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x = 57, y = 89, rule = LifeHistory
11.D6.D2.5D2.3D10.D$11.D5.2D2.D5.D12.2D$11.D6.D2.D5.D13.D3.4D$11.D6.D
3.3D2.4D10.D2.D3.D$11.D6.D6.D.D3.D9.D2.D3.D$11.D6.D2.D3.D.D3.D9.D2.D
3.D$11.5D.3D2.3D3.3D2.5D2.3D2.4D10$27.B$26.3D$26.BDB$25.3D2B$25.5B$
24.6B$24.6B$25.5B$25.6B$24.6B$24.7B$25.6B$25.6B$25.6B$24.8B$23.8B$23.
9B$23.9B$22.10B$22.3B2A5B$16.2A3.4B2A5B$17.A3.11B$17.A.A7BD4B$18.2A2.
4B3DB$23.2B2D2BD4.2A$24.6B4.A$24.6B.BA.A$23.7B.B2A$24.8B$17.A6.7B$17.
3A4.7B$8.A11.A2.7B4.B$8.3A8.2A3.6B.B.2BA$11.A7.15BA.A$10.2A3.B5.7BD4B
.BA$10.8B2.7B3D3B$12.15BD5B$12.20B$11.19B$9.21B$7.24B$7.2BC14B4.4B$6.
3BCBC4B.6B6.4B$7.2B3C4B2.B.5B5.4B$6.5BC4B7.2A6.4B$5.10B8.A8.4B$4.4B
16.3A6.3B$4.3B19.A7.2B$2.4B29.B$2.2A$3.A$3A$A5$20.D2.3D3.3D2.D$19.D2.
D5.D3.D2.D$18.D3.D9.D3.D$18.D3.4D5.D4.D$18.D3.D3.D3.D5.D$19.D2.D3.D2.
D5.D$20.D2.3D2.5D.D2$2.D15.D3.5D18.D4.D3.D$.D2.D3.D.5D2.2D7.D3.D3.D.
5D3.2D3.2D4.D$D4.D.D10.D6.D4.D3.D8.D.D4.D5.D$D5.D11.D5.D5.D3.D7.D2.D
4.D5.D$D4.D.D10.D4.D7.4D7.5D3.D5.D$.D2.D3.D.5D3.D3.D5.D5.D.5D4.D4.D4.
D$2.D14.3D2.D5.D5.D10.D3.3D2.D$27.D3.3D!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 12th, 2021, 9:37 pm

Are these long hook->worm converters known?

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x = 28, y = 94, rule = B3/S23
15bo$16bo$14b3o8bo$25bobo$25b2o$2bo$2b2o$3b2o$2b2o$12b2o$12bobob2o$14b
obobo$14bo2bo$13b2o26$14bo$12bobo11bo$13b2o9b2o$25b2o3$2bo$2b2o$3b2o$
2b2o$12b2o3b2o$12bobobobo$14bob2o$14bo$13b2o21$20bo$8bo10bo$9b2o8b3o$
8b2o2$16b2o$17b2o$16bo4$2bo$2bo$2bo$2bo$obo9b2o3bo$12bobobobo$14bobo2b
o$14bo2b2o$13b2o!


Edit: What about this converter?

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x = 32, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
7bo$8b2o$7b2o18$28bob2o$28b2obo7$b2o$obo$2bo12b3o7b2o$16bo8bobo$16b3o
8bo$27b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Post by bibunsekibun » June 14th, 2021, 5:17 am

P62+ Partial

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x = 6, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$4bo6$3o$bo2$3b2o$3b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 14th, 2021, 4:30 pm

Here's a way to turn a Herschel into an edgeshot beacon:

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
A$3A$3.A$2.2A17.2A$21.A.A$23.A$23.2A4$.C$.C.C$.3C$3.C2$10.2A3.A$11.A4.
2A$8.3A3.2A$8.A7.A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » June 14th, 2021, 11:22 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:30 pm
Here's a way to turn a Herschel into an edgeshot beacon:

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
A$3A$3.A$2.2A17.2A$21.A.A$23.A$23.2A4$.C$.C.C$.3C$3.C2$10.2A3.A$11.A4.
2A$8.3A3.2A$8.A7.A!
I found this Herschel to beacon recently:

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x = 64, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
15bo41bo$13b3o39b3o$12bo41bo$12b2o40b2o$20b2o40b2o$20bo41bo$18bobo39bo
bo$12bo5b2o34bo5b2o$12bobo39bobo$12b3o39b3o$14bo41bo18$2b2o53b2o$bobo
53bobo$bo9b2o35b2o9bo$2o9bo37bo9b2o$12b3o31b3o$14bo31bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by EvinZL » June 15th, 2021, 4:07 pm

Not sure if this G-to-blinker based on the bronco has any use

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x = 44, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
15.A11.A$14.A.A4.A5.3A$14.A.A4.3A6.A$12.3A.2A6.A4.2A$.C9.A4.B6.2A4.5B
$2BC9.3AB2A5.5B3.3B$3CB10.A.2A7.11B$.4B11.21B$2.4B12.19B$3.4B8.19B3D$
4.4B6.24B$5.4B4.24B$6.4B2.26B$7.4B.26B$8.30B$9.31B$10.30B$11.29B$12.
28B$13.26B$14.25B$15.26B$16.25B$17.21B2C2B$18.20B2C2B$18.23B$18.21B$
18.19B5.2A$18.19B5.A$16.2C19B2.BA.A$15.C.C20B.B2A$15.C4.20B$14.2C5.3B
2C15B$24.2C14B$26.11B2.B2A$31.6B2.BA.A$31.5B6.A$31.B.B8.2A$32.3B$31.B
2CB$32.2C!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by hotdogPi » June 17th, 2021, 7:22 am

Does LOM get used in any conduits? While this isn't a complete conduit, the active region goes very far. The block gets destroyed in generation 191, giving a lot of time to do something with it.

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x = 14, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6bobo$7bo4$2o7b3o$2o7bo2b2o$9b2o2bo$11b3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 17th, 2021, 7:47 am

hotdogPi wrote:
June 17th, 2021, 7:22 am
Does LOM get used in any conduits? While this isn't a complete conduit, the active region goes very far. The block gets destroyed in generation 191, giving a lot of time to do something with it.

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x = 14, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6bobo$7bo4$2o7b3o$2o7bo2b2o$9b2o2bo$11b3o!
Nothing much yet. This might be worth posting in Rhombic's old LOM discussion thread -- I dug up a couple of posts with LOM conduits in the linked thread, but they aren't really useful ones yet.

The 5c/9 signal injector in the same thread is interesting, but the reasonable ways to make an input LOM all seem to do it the easy way, by colliding two gliders.

I've pretty much already said in that thread, probably multiple times, everything I usually want to say about LOM conduits. So I'll save a couple of paragraphs and not say anything more here.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by EvinZL » June 17th, 2021, 8:47 am

dvgrn wrote:
June 17th, 2021, 7:47 am
hotdogPi wrote:
June 17th, 2021, 7:22 am
Does LOM get used in any conduits? While this isn't a complete conduit, the active region goes very far. The block gets destroyed in generation 191, giving a lot of time to do something with it.

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x = 14, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6bobo$7bo4$2o7b3o$2o7bo2b2o$9b2o2bo$11b3o!
Nothing much yet. This might be worth posting in Rhombic's old LOM discussion thread -- I dug up a couple of posts with LOM conduits in the linked thread, but they aren't really useful ones yet.

The 5c/9 signal injector in the same thread is interesting, but the reasonable ways to make an input LOM all seem to do it the easy way, by colliding two gliders.

I've pretty much already said in that thread, probably multiple times, everything I usually want to say about LOM conduits. So I'll save a couple of paragraphs and not say anything more here.
There is this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1849&p=101222#p101243

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 17th, 2021, 9:26 am

EvinZL wrote:
June 17th, 2021, 8:47 am
There is this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1849&p=101222#p101243
That's a good H-to-LOM, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with this new incomplete LOM-to-maybe-X. It might make sense to focus on finding a lot more direct H-to-LOM options before bothering to worry about what we can turn a LOM into... that would let searches be done that only find things that fit a known H-to-LOM input conduit.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » June 17th, 2021, 7:32 pm

A for awesome wrote:
May 5th, 2021, 2:11 pm
It's in jslife — osc/o0004.lif, right side, top row, second from left.
What about this related oscillator? I didn't see it in jslife.

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x = 30, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
11b2o9b2o$10bo2bo7bo2bo$8bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo$8b3o2b3o3b3o2b3o$11bo11b
o$8b2o3b3o3b3o3b2o$8bo2b3o2bobo2b3o2bo$9b3ob4ob4ob3o$12bo9bo$9b2obobo
bobobobob2o$9b2ob2o7b2ob2o$16bobo$9b5ob2ob2ob5o$8bo4b3o3b3o4bo$8bob2o
2bobobobo2b2obo$7b2ob3o2bo3bo2b3ob2o$8bo3bobo5bobo3bo$6bobobob4o3b4ob
obobo$5bobob3o2b3ob3o2b3obobo$5bobo6bo5bo6bobo$6bobob2o2b2o3b2o2b2obo
bo$8bo4b3o3b3o4bo$8bob2o11b2obo$6b2obobo5bo5bobob2o$7bobo2b2obo3bob2o
2bobo$7bo5b2o5b2o5bo$8b2obo2b2o3b2o2bob2o$16b3o3$15b2o$15b2o$15bo$14b
o$13bo$12bo2$3b2o4bo5bo4b2o$2bob4o2b5o2b4obo$2bo4bo9bo4bo$b2obo15bob2o
$3bobo3bo5bo3bobo$3bobob3o5b3obobo$bob2o2b3o5b3o2b2obo$obo3b2o9b2o3bo
bo$obob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obobo$bobo3bo9bo3bobo$3bobo2bobo3bobo2bobo$2b2o
bo4bo3bo4bob2o$3bo2bo3bo3bo3bo2bo$3bo3bo9bo3bo$4b6obobob6o$11bobo$4b2o
b2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$4b2obo9bob2o$8bo2bobo2bo$4b3o4bobo4b3o$3bo2b3o2bobo2b
3o2bo$3b4ob3o3b3ob4o$7bo9bo$3b3o2b3o3b3o2b3o$3bo2b2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo$5bo
2bo7bo2bo$6b2o9b2o!
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