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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » June 12th, 2021, 8:50 am

While the p486 and p576 oscillators don't set the bounding box record for glider guns (as far as I know), maybe they do for XWSS guns since they can be made multibarrel with reflected gliders?

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » June 12th, 2021, 9:17 am

hotdogPi wrote:
June 12th, 2021, 8:50 am
While the p486 and p576 oscillators don't set the bounding box record for glider guns (as far as I know), maybe they do for XWSS guns since they can be made multibarrel with reflected gliders?
Probably not (if I'm understanding the suggestion correctly). Here are the current smallest p486 and p576 guns to compare with the new oscillator-guns (unless I missed a later version):

p486:

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x = 198, y = 116, rule = LifeHistory
116.2A28.2A$115.B2AB26.B2AB$115.3B28.3B$115.2B30.2B$114.4B28.4B$114.
4B28.4B$114.4B.B24.B.4B$113.8B22.8B$112.9B22.9B$111.12B18.12B$111.13B
16.13B$111.14B14.14B$111.15B12.8B2A5B$111.16B10.4BA3BA2BA4B$111.16B
10.4BA2B2AB2A4B$111.16B10.6B3AB2A4B$112.17B6.9B5A3B$113.17B4.17B$106.
A5.18B4.14BABAB5.A$104.3A4.19B4.16B2AB4.3A$103.A3.2A3.19B2.17BAB3.2A
3.A$102.A.2A.B.A3.33B2A3B3.A.A.2A.A$102.A.A.3BA35B3A7BABA.A.A$101.2A.
A.ABAB2.35BA4B2.4B.A.2A$104.A.2BA3.19B2.11B3A5B3.BAB.A$104.A.2AB4.14B
A17B2A4B4.2BA.A$103.2A.2A7.11BABA20B7.2A.2A$118.2B2.4BABA13B2.2B$123.
4BA8BA4B$118.2B2.13BABA4B2.2B$103.2A.2A7.20BABA11B7.2A.2A$104.A.A2B4.
4B2A17BA14B4.B2A.A$104.A.BAB3.5B3A11B2.19B3.A2B.A$101.2A.A.4B2.4BA35B
2.BABA.A.2A$102.A.A.ABA7B3A35BA3B.A.A$102.A.2A.A.A3.3B2A33B3.A.B.2A.A
$103.A3.2A3.BA17B2.19B3.2A3.A$104.3A4.B2A16B4.19B4.3A$106.A5.BABA14B
4.18B5.A$113.17B4.17B$112.3B5A9B6.17B$111.4B2AB3A6B10.16B$111.4B2AB2A
2BA4B10.16B$111.4BA2BA3BA4B10.16B$111.5B2A8B12.15B$111.14B14.14B6.2A
3.2A$111.13B16.13B6.A.A.A.A$111.12B18.12B7.BA.AB$112.9B22.10B3.A.4B.
4B.A$113.8B22.10B.A2BABA2B.2BABA2BA10.2A$114.4B.B24.B.8BA3B2A2B.2B2A
3BAB8.B2AB$114.4B28.7B.A2BABA2B.2BABA2BA10.3B$114.4B28.6B4.A.4B.4B.A
13.2B$115.2B28.8B7.BA.AB16.4B$115.3B26.4B.4B6.A.A.A.A15.4B$115.B2AB
24.4B2.4B.B4.2A3.2A13.B.4B$116.2A24.4B2.8B22.8B$21.2A.2A5.2A10.2A5.2A
89.4B2.9B22.9B$17.2A3.A.A2.A.A2.A9.A.2BAB.A2.A87.4B2.12B18.12B$18.A2.
A2.A.2A.2A11.2A.BA2BA.2A86.4B3.13B16.13B$18.A.A3.A.A2.B8.6B2.A2.A.A
86.4B4.14B14.7BA6B$19.A.4A2.AB2A6.5B4.B3A.AB84.4B5.15B12.10BA4B$21.A
3.A.A.2A4.7B5.2A.3BA82.4B6.16B10.5B2A5BA3B$20.A2.BA.A2.13B8.A3B81.4B
7.16B10.5BA3BA6B$15.A3.A.2BA.A5.13B7.A.3A78.4B8.16B10.5BABA8B$13.3A3.
2A.2BA5.15B7.4AB76.4B10.17B6.8B2A7B$12.A10.3B4.15B8.B.A76.4B12.17B4.
15BAB$12.2A10.2B.B.17B85.4B6.A5.18B4.13B2A3B5.A$8.2A4B3.29B84.4B5.3A
4.19B4.16BABA4.3A$8.2A2B4.16B2A13B82.4B5.A3.2A3.19B2.18BA3.2A3.A$7.7B
2.16B2A14B80.4B5.A.2A.A.A3.32B3A3B3.A.B.2A.A$8.7B.27B3.B2A78.4B6.A.A.
ABA35BA3BA5BA3B.A.A$7.35B4.A2BA76.4B6.2A.A.4B2.40B2.BABA.A.2A$2.B4.
19B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A74.4B10.A.BAB3.19B2.10BA4BA3B3.A2B.A$.2AB.18B14.
6B7.A73.4B11.A.A2B4.14BA16B3A4B4.B2A.A$.2A18B14.9B6.2A71.4B11.2A.2A7.
11BABA20B7.2A.2A$2.B.16B15.2A4.4B77.4B27.2B2.4BABA13B2.2B$5.16B15.A5.
4B75.4B33.4BA8BA4B$4.17B12.3A7.4B73.4B29.2B2.13BABA4B2.2B$4.15B.B2A
10.A10.4B71.4B15.2A.2A7.20BABA11B7.2A.2A$2.15B3.BA.A21.4B69.4B17.A.2A
B4.4B3A16BA14B4.2BA.A$2.2A2.6B2.4B5.A22.4B12.2A53.4B18.A.2BA3.3BA4BA
10B2.19B3.BAB.A$3.A2.5B4.4B4.2A22.4B10.B2AB51.4B16.2A.A.ABAB2.40B2.4B
.A.2A$3A3.6B4.4B28.4B10.2B51.4B18.A.A.3BA5BA3BA35BABA.A.A$A6.4B6.4B
28.4B8.2B51.4B19.A.2A.B.A3.3B3A32B3.A.A.2A.A$8.2B8.4B28.4B6.4B6.A42.
4B21.A3.2A3.A18B2.19B3.2A3.A$7.2B10.4B28.4B4.6B3.3A41.4B23.3A4.ABA16B
4.19B4.3A$6.B2AB10.4B22.2A4.4B4.5B2.A43.4B26.A5.3B2A13B4.18B5.A$7.2A
12.4B22.A5.4B2.6B2.2A41.4B34.BA15B4.17B$22.4B21.A.AB3.15B40.4B34.7B2A
8B6.17B$23.4B10.A10.2AB.15B41.4B34.8BABA5B10.16B$24.4B7.3A12.17B40.4B
35.6BA3BA5B10.16B$25.4B5.A15.16B40.4B36.3BA5B2A5B10.16B$26.4B4.2A15.
16B.B36.4B37.4BA10B12.15B$19.2A6.9B14.18B2A34.4B38.6BA7B14.14B$20.A7.
6B14.18B.B2A33.4B39.13B16.13B$20.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B4.B33.4B40.12B
18.12B$21.A2.A4.35B37.4B42.9B22.9B$22.2AB3.27B.7B37.4B44.8B22.8B$18.
2A3.32B2.7B35.4B46.4B.B24.B.4B$18.2A4.31B4.2B2A35.4B47.4B28.4B$25.12B
3A14B3.4B2A34.4B48.4B28.4B$18.4A3.9B2A2BA3B.4B10.2A37.4B50.2B30.2B$
17.A4.A3.8BABA4B2.5B10.A36.4B51.3B28.3B$17.5A.A2.15B2.3BA2B.2A3.3A36.
4B52.B2AB26.B2AB$15.2A2.2BA.A3.13B5.ABA2B.A3.A37.4B54.2A28.2A$14.A2.A
4B.2A4.13B2.A.A2B.A41.4B$14.2A.A.ABAB.A2B.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A41.4B$17.A2.A
.3A9B6.2ABA2.4A.A38.4B$17.2A.A.B.A2B3.4B7.B2.A.A3.A.A36.4B$19.A.A.2A
6.4B5.2A.2A.A.A.A.A35.4B$19.A.A.A8.3BA5.A.A3.2A.2A35.4B$20.A2.A9.3BA
4.A.A42.4B$21.2A11.3AB4.A42.A3B$85.ABA$85.2A!
p576:

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x = 166, y = 69, rule = LifeHistory
132.B5.B13.B5.B$131.3B3.3B11.3B3.3B$129.4BA3.A4B7.4BA3.A4B$128.4BA.A.
A.A4B5.4BA.A.A.A4B$128.5B2A.2A5B5.5B2A.2A5B$128.7B.7B5.7B.7B$128.7B.
7B5.7B.7B$128.B5AB.B5AB5.B5AB.B5AB$128.BAB4A.4ABAB5.BAB4A.4ABAB$128.B
2ABABA.ABAB2AB5.B2ABABA.ABAB2AB$128.2BABA.A.A.ABA2B5.2BABA.A.A.ABA2B$
107.A21.2B3A3.3A2B7.2B3A3.3A2B$105.3A23.BAB3.BAB11.BAB3.BAB$104.A22.A
4.B5.B13.B5.B$104.2A20.A.A7.3B.3B5.3B.3B$102.4B4.2B14.A.A6.5B2A7B2A5B
$100.4B4.5B12.2A.3A4.5B2A7B2A5B$99.6B2.10B9.B4.A3.21B$98.7B2.15B2.B2A
B3A4.21B$97.8B2.16B.B2A.A7.19B$97.9B.18B12.17B$96.8BA20B11.19B$96.7BA
BA19B10.6BA14B$35.A2.2A55.9B2A18B11.BA3BABA13B$35.4A.A54.27B13.A4BABA
13B$40.A53.4B3.19B14.2BA4BA15B$33.7A.2A50.4B4.20B10.B.4BA20B.B$32.A2.
B3.A.A2.A47.4B5.20B8.9BA23B$32.2A2.2A.AB2.2A46.4B11.14B9.2B2A5BA23B$
27.2A6.B2AB2A49.4B13.13B.2B3.B.2BABA5BA24B.B$27.A8.5B48.4B13.16B2A.2A
2B2ABA31B2A$29.A7.3B48.4B14.14B.B2A.2A3B5AB3A25B2A$25.5A6.5B46.4B11.A
.2AB.12B2.B3.5BA2BAB3A12B2A12B$25.A9.4BAB45.4B10.3AB2AB.10B8.4B2.3A2B
2A11B2AB2A4B2.4B$27.B4A3.3BABA2B42.4B10.A4.B4.10B.7B5.4B2A2BA4B.4BA2B
2A4B$27.BA2.A2.4BABA2B41.4B12.3A.2A2.19B5.4B2AB2A11B2A2B3A2.4B$27.4B
4.4BA2B41.4B15.A.A3.30B2A12B3ABA2BA5B$23.2A3.15B39.4B16.A.A4.43B3AB5A
3B2A$23.A2.A.2A14B37.4B18.A5.49BAB2A2B2A$5.A19.2A.2A3BA11B35.4B24.2A
13B2A27BA5BABA2B.B$3.3A23.B.BABA11B33.4B25.2A13B2A27BA5B2A2B$2.A5.A
23.BA7B2.4B31.4B29.41BA9B$.A.6A23.7B5.3BA29.4B31.5B2.10B2.B.20BA4B.B$
.A.A18.2AB7.9B4.ABAB27.4B30.7B5.6B6.15BA4BA2B$2A2.A2B2A8.B2.2B3A6.4B
4.2A5.2A2B25.4B31.2A3.B8.3B8.13BABA4BA$2.2A2BABA7.2A2BA2BABA4.4B5.A7.
4B23.A3B33.A14.B8.13BABA3BAB$2.A.A3B8.2A2B2A2B2A3.4B7.3A5.4B21.A3B31.
3A15.2A7.14BA6B$3.A2B11.3B2A2.B3.4B10.A6.4B19.B3A32.A18.A8.19B$4.B12.
3B7.4B19.4B17.4B49.3A10.17B$4.3B8.3B8.4B7.B6.B2A4.4B15.4B50.A11.19B$
4.5B4.5B7.5B6.4B4.B2AB4.4B13.4B62.21B$3.2A5B2.5B2A3.8B6.12B5.4B11.4B
63.21B$3.2A12B2A.4BA6B.2B.12B7.4B9.4B64.5B2A7B2A5B$3.16B.3BABA21B8.4B
7.4B65.5B2A7B2A5B$2.12BA9B3ABA17B10.4B5.4B67.3B.3B5.3B.3B$.2A10BAB2A
9B3A18B10.6B.4B64.B5.B13.B5.B$2.11BABA10BA20B11.9B64.BAB3.BAB11.BAB3.
BAB$4.10BA3B2.7B2ABA14B13.8B63.2B3A3.3A2B7.2B3A3.3A2B$3.16B4.5B3A4B3A
5B14.3B.4B63.2BABA.A.A.ABA2B5.2BABA.A.A.ABA2B$3.16B2.14BAB2A6B13.6B
64.B2ABABA.ABAB2AB5.B2ABABA.ABAB2AB$4.4B6.4B.20BA7B11.5B65.BAB4A.4ABA
B5.BAB4A.4ABAB$5.2B8.2B2.18B3A7B12.3B66.B5AB.B5AB5.B5AB.B5AB$20.17BAB
3A4B82.7B.7B5.7B.7B$19.21BABA4B81.7B.7B5.7B.7B$19.12B.2B.6BA5B81.5B2A
.2A5B5.5B2A.2A5B$18.12B6.12B80.4BA.A.A.A4B5.4BA.A.A.A4B$18.B2AB4.4B6.
4B4.B2AB81.4BA3.A4B7.4BA3.A4B$19.2AB6.B8.B6.B2A84.3B3.3B11.3B3.3B$
132.B5.B13.B5.B!
Both of these guns can actually be made double-barrelled also. So the oscillators don't seem to have any obvious advantage to make up for their larger size.

Anyway, it usually turns out that the extra reflectors and re-timers that you have to put in to be able to use multiple glider outputs in a *WSS construction, end up making things a lot bigger than just using multiple copies of the gun. No doubt there are exceptions, but they're annoyingly rare.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm

Here are three gun partials:

p53

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x = 21, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12b2o$11bobo2$2o15b2o$bo15bo$bobo11bobo$2b2o11b2o3$10bo$3bo6b2o2b
o$3bo2bo5bo2bo$5bo2b2o5bo$5bo5bob3o$5b3o6bo$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$11bo2bo$
6bo6b3o$5b3obo5bo$5bo5b2o2bo$5bo2bo5bo2bo$6bo2b2o6bo$10bo3$4b2o11b2o$
3bobo11bobo$3bo15bo$2b2o15b2o2$7bobo$7b2o$8bo!
p67

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x = 27, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7b3o$3o7bo$o8b2o10b2o$bo19bo$19bobo$19b2o5$10b2o$7b2o2bo$5bob2o3b
4o$3bob2o3bo3b2obo$5bob2o3bo3b2o$7b4o3b2obo$11bo2b2o$11b2o3$14b2o$11b
2o2bo$9bob2o3b4o$9b2o3bo3b2obo$9bob2o3bo3b2obo$11b4o3b2obo$15bo2b2o$
15b2o5$6b2o$5bobo$5bo19bo$4b2o10b2o8bo$16bo7b3o$17b3o$19bo!
p106

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x = 38, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
3o$o$bo3$14bo$14b3o$17bo$16b2o10b2o$28bo$26bobo$26b2o4$17b2o$6bo$8b3o
9bo$8bo6b5o$9bo4b2o2bo$12b2o2bo$13b2obo$11bo3bo$12b3o$13bo10bo$23b3o$
22bo3bo$21bob2o$21bo2b2o$19bo2b2o4bo$18b5o6bo$17bo9b3o$31bo$19b2o4$10b
2o$9bobo$9bo$8b2o10b2o$20bo$21b3o$23bo3$36bo$37bo$35b3o!
Last edited by hotdogPi on June 14th, 2021, 9:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » June 14th, 2021, 5:35 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
p67

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x = 27, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7b3o$3o7bo$o8b2o10b2o$bo19bo$19bobo$19b2o5$10b2o$7b2o2bo$5bob2o3b
4o$3bob2o3bo3b2obo$5bob2o3bo3b2o$7b4o3b2obo$11bo2b2o$11b2o3$14b2o$11b
2o2bo$9bob2o3b4o$9b2o3bo3b2obo$9bob2o3bo3b2obo$11b4o3b2obo$15bo2b2o$
15b2o5$6b2o$5bobo$5bo19bo$4b2o10b2o8bo$16bo7b3o$17b3o$19bo!
For the p67, just any old dot spark isn't really going to work, because the active reaction falls back one cell from the previous generation. A normal sparker preparing to produce a dot spark will interact with the active reaction too soon. I think only an umlaut spark (to coin a phrase) (what are those really called?) will produce a dot spark in that location at that time:

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x = 59, y = 70, rule = LifeHistory
2A$ABA$A3B$.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B$9.4B$10.4B$11.4B$
12.4B$13.4B6.A$14.4B5.3A$15.2B2A7.A$16.2A2B5.2A10.2A$17.BA2B4.5B7.A$
18.4B5.6B.BA.A$19.4B2.8B.B2A$20.15B$21.14B$20.15B$20.14B$19.7BA8B$19.
5B4A8B$18.C3BABABA2B2A4B$18.2B2A4B2A2BABA4B$18.C3BABA2B2A4B2A3B$20.4B
2A2BABABA4B$20.7B4A4B$21.7BA6B$25.2B4.3B$25.3B4.2B$24.6BA7B$24.4B4A7B
$22.4BABABA2B2A4B$21.3B2A4B2A2BABA3BC$22.4BABA2B2A4B2A2B$24.4B2A2BABA
BA3BC$23.8B4A5B$24.8BA7B$25.14B$24.15B$24.14B$24.15B$22.2AB.8B2.4B$
21.A.AB.6B5.4B$21.A7.5B4.2BAB$20.2A10.2A5.2B2A$32.A7.2A2B$33.3A5.4B$
35.A6.4B$43.4B$44.4B$45.4B$46.4B$47.4B$48.4B$49.4B$50.4B$51.4B$52.4B$
53.4B$54.4B$55.3BA$56.ABA$57.2A!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » June 14th, 2021, 6:28 pm

dvgrn wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 5:35 pm
an umlaut spark (to coin a phrase) (what are those really called?)
obo spark https://www.conwaylife.com/ref/lexicon/ ... #Obo_spark

EDIT: if you could use 'umlaut sparks' to stabilise a period-90 oscillator, would it be called 'diaeresis'?
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » June 15th, 2021, 1:17 am

hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
Here are three gun partials...
These are exactly the sort of partials I was thinking of when I wrote this post. Did you do anything to remove the restriction you mentioned here, or is this simply a result of trying more configurations?

There's also this p48 potential gun that you posted in the oscillator discussion thread:
hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 12:57 pm
A possible p48 gun; we just need sparks that are p16, p24, or p48

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x = 34, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
12b3o$14bo$13bo2$17b2o$17bo$15bobo$15b2o2$2o6b2o$2o7bo$8b2o$9bo5bo$8b
3obobo5bob2o3bo$8b2ob3o6b3ob2o$6bo3b2obo5bobob3o$18bo5bo$24b2o$24bo7b
2o$24b2o6b2o2$17b2o$16bobo$16bo$15b2o2$20bo$19bo$19b3o!
A p12 spark could also work. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a sparker that has a strong enough spark and is far enough away from the block to work. If a working sparker is found, the overall gun could probably be reduced by replacing half with mold:

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x = 33, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10b2o5$5bo2$6b2obobo$6b6o$5bobo$5b2o$6b2o12bo$5b2o11bobo$7bo11b
2o$b2o5bo4b2o$o2bo9bo$obobo9b3o$bo2bo11bo$5bo$2bobo4$32bo$30bobo$31b2o
!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » June 15th, 2021, 6:47 am

Sokwe wrote:
June 15th, 2021, 1:17 am
Did you do anything to remove the restriction you mentioned here, or is this simply a result of trying more configurations?
I removed the restriction.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » June 15th, 2021, 12:42 pm

Just need a suitable sparker for this p160 shuttle. The spark can also be one cell to the left of where it is shown below. In addition, the temporary blinker can be removed early, and it will still function (but with 2 gliders per cycle instead of 4). Beluchenko's p40 almost works.

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x = 22, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o$14bo2$7b3o$ob2obo4bo$o3bobo3bo$o4bo4bo$b2o5b2o$3bo3bo$3b
o3bo$4b3o2$7bo$18b2o$18bo$19b3o$21bo!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » June 15th, 2021, 11:13 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
Here are three gun partials:

p53
The p53 partial can be supported by gliders, resulting in a p53 fuse.

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x = 462, y = 469, rule = B3/S23
441b2o15b2o$442bo15bo$442bobo11bobo$443b2o11b2o3$443bo7bo$443b2o6b2o2b
o$442bobo2bo5bo2bo$446bo2b2o5bo$446bo5bob3o$446b3o6bo$447bo2bo$451bo$
451bo$452bo2bo$447bo6b3o$446b3obo5bo$446bo5b2o2bo$446bo2bo5bo2bobo$429b
3o15bo2b2o6b2o$431bo19bo7bo$430bo2$445b2o11b2o$444bobo11bobo$444bo15b
o$443b2o15b2o2$448bobo$448b2o$449bo2$416b2o$417b2o$416bo7$435bo$435bo
bo$435b2o2$403b2o$402bobo$404bo7$423bo$421b2o$422b2o2$390bo$390b2o$389b
obo2$378b2o15b2o$379bo15bo$379bobo11bobo$380b2o11b2o2$409bo$380bo7bo19b
o$380b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$379bobo2bo5bo2bo$383bo2b2o5bo$383bo5bob3o$383b3o
6bo$384bo2bo$388bo$388bo$389bo2bo$384bo6b3o$383b3obo5bo$383bo5b2o2bo$
383bo2bo5bo2bobo$366b3o15bo2b2o6b2o$368bo19bo7bo$367bo2$382b2o11b2o$381b
obo11bobo$381bo15bo$380b2o15b2o2$385bobo$385b2o$386bo2$353b2o$354b2o$
353bo7$372bo$372bobo$372b2o2$340b2o$339bobo$341bo7$360bo$358b2o$359b2o
2$327bo$327b2o$326bobo2$315b2o15b2o$316bo15bo$316bobo11bobo$317b2o11b
2o2$346bo$317bo7bo19bo$317b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$316bobo2bo5bo2bo$320bo2b2o5b
o$320bo5bob3o$320b3o6bo$321bo2bo$325bo$325bo$326bo2bo$321bo6b3o$320b3o
bo5bo$320bo5b2o2bo$320bo2bo5bo2bobo$303b3o15bo2b2o6b2o$305bo19bo7bo$304b
o2$319b2o11b2o$318bobo11bobo$318bo15bo$317b2o15b2o2$322bobo$322b2o$323b
o2$290b2o$291b2o$290bo7$309bo$309bobo$309b2o2$277b2o$276bobo$278bo7$297b
o$295b2o$296b2o2$264bo$264b2o$263bobo2$252b2o15b2o$253bo15bo$253bobo11b
obo$254b2o11b2o2$283bo$254bo7bo19bo$254b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$253bobo2bo5bo2b
o$257bo2b2o5bo$257bo5bob3o$257b3o6bo$258bo2bo$262bo$262bo$263bo2bo$258b
o6b3o$257b3obo5bo$257bo5b2o2bo$257bo2bo5bo2bobo$240b3o15bo2b2o6b2o$242b
o19bo7bo$241bo2$256b2o11b2o$255bobo11bobo$255bo15bo$254b2o15b2o2$259b
obo$259b2o$260bo2$227b2o$228b2o$227bo7$246bo$246bobo$246b2o2$214b2o$213b
obo$215bo7$234bo$232b2o$233b2o2$201bo$201b2o$200bobo2$189b2o15b2o$190b
o15bo$190bobo11bobo$191b2o11b2o2$220bo$191bo7bo19bo$191b2o6b2o2bo15b3o
$190bobo2bo5bo2bo$194bo2b2o5bo$194bo5bob3o$194b3o6bo$195bo2bo$199bo$199b
o$200bo2bo$195bo6b3o$194b3obo5bo$194bo5b2o2bo$194bo2bo5bo2bobo$177b3o
15bo2b2o6b2o$179bo19bo7bo$178bo2$193b2o11b2o$192bobo11bobo$192bo15bo$
191b2o15b2o2$196bobo$196b2o$197bo2$164b2o$165b2o$164bo7$183bo$183bobo
$183b2o2$151b2o$150bobo$152bo7$171bo$169b2o$170b2o2$138bo$138b2o$137b
obo2$126b2o15b2o$127bo15bo$127bobo11bobo$128b2o11b2o2$157bo$128bo7bo19b
o$128b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$127bobo2bo5bo2bo$131bo2b2o5bo$131bo5bob3o$131b3o
6bo$132bo2bo$136bo$136bo$137bo2bo$132bo6b3o$131b3obo5bo$131bo5b2o2bo$
131bo2bo5bo2bobo$114b3o15bo2b2o6b2o$116bo19bo7bo$115bo2$130b2o11b2o$129b
obo11bobo$129bo15bo$128b2o15b2o2$133bobo$133b2o$134bo2$101b2o$102b2o$
101bo7$120bo$120bobo$120b2o2$88b2o$87bobo$89bo7$108bo$106b2o$107b2o2$
75bo$75b2o$74bobo2$63b2o15b2o$64bo15bo$64bobo11bobo$65b2o11b2o2$94bo$
65bo7bo19bo$65b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$64bobo2bo5bo2bo$68bo2b2o5bo$68bo5bob3o$
68b3o6bo$69bo2bo$73bo$73bo$74bo2bo$69bo6b3o$68b3obo5bo$68bo5b2o2bo$68b
o2bo5bo2bobo$51b3o15bo2b2o6b2o$53bo19bo7bo$52bo2$67b2o11b2o$66bobo11b
obo$66bo15bo$65b2o15b2o2$70bobo$70b2o$71bo2$38b2o$39b2o$38bo7$57bo$57b
obo$57b2o2$25b2o$24bobo$26bo7$45bo$43b2o$44b2o2$12bo$12b2o$11bobo2$2o
15b2o$bo15bo$bobo11bobo$2b2o11b2o2$31bo$2bo7bo19bo$2b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$b
obo2bo5bo2bo$5bo2b2o5bo$5bo5bob3o$5b3o6bo$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$11bo2bo$6b
o6b3o$5b3obo5bo$5bo5b2o2bo$5bo2bo5bo2bobo$6bo2b2o6b2o$10bo7bo3$4b2o11b
2o$3bobo11bobo$3bo15bo$2b2o15b2o!
Using eater 2s or another copy of the oscillator would also work, but neither of those solutions fit. It's possible that using a bunch of copies of this, at least two other reactions, and some clever trickery could yield a true-period p53 gun, but it would be large if not enormous.
I have historically worked on conduits, but recently, I've been working on glider syntheses and investigating SnakeLife.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » June 16th, 2021, 4:55 am

MathAndCode wrote:
June 15th, 2021, 11:13 pm
hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
Here are three gun partials:

p53
The p53 partial can be supported by gliders, resulting in a p53 fuse.
Nice! It goes without saying that this yields a p53 oscillator:

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x = 101, y = 114, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$57.A.A$51.2A4.A$49.A2.A2.2A.4A$49.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$52.A.ABABAB$52.
A.AB2AB$53.AB.2B$56.3B$56.4B6.2A$54.3B2AB6.A$54.3B2AB3.BA.A$52.10B.B
2A$51.13B$50.BA12B$49.2A13B$48.2B2A2.8B$47.4B5.6B$46.4B4.9B$45.4B5.2A
4.2B2A$44.4B7.A5.BABA10.2A$43.4B5.3A7.A3B9.A$42.4B6.A10.4B10.A$41.4B
12.2A5.4B5.5A$40.4B14.A5.5B3.A$39.4B15.A.AB.7B2.B3A$38.4B17.2AB.7B3.
2B.A$37.A3B20.12B4A$36.A3B21.7B2A3BAB2.2A$35.B3A22.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$34.
4B23.10B3.B.A.2A$33.4B23.A7B8.A$32.4B23.B2A6B7.2A$31.4B23.BABA2.3B$
30.4B23.4B3.5B10.2A$29.4B23.4B7.2A9.A.A$28.4B23.4B8.A4.2A4.A$27.4B23.
4B10.3A2.A2.2A.4A$26.4B23.4B13.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$25.4B23.4B17.A.ABABAB$
24.4B23.4B18.A.AB2AB$9.A13.ABAB23.4B20.AB.2B$9.3A10.B2AB23.4B24.3B$
12.A8.3BA15.2A6.4B5.2A18.4B6.2A$11.2A7.4B17.A6.4B5.A17.6B6.A$11.5B3.
4B18.A.AB.3B3AB.BA.A17.6B3.BA.A$13.3B2.4B20.2AB.2BA3BA.B2A16.5BA4B.B
2A$3.2A7.B3A5B23.3BA5BAB17.4B2AB2A4B$3.A8.A3BA3B24.3BA5BAB16.5B2AB2A
4B$2A.A.B3.2BA5BAB23.5BA5BA2B14.6BA2B2A4B$A2.3AB.2BA3BA3BA22.3B2.2BA
3BA4B12.4B2.2B2A4B$.2A2.BA3BA2BABA3B21.5B.3B3A6B10.4B5.6B$3.4A3BA3BA
4B20.4B.13B10.4B4.9B$3.A.2B3.BA5B.2BA17.4B2.13B9.4B5.2A4.4B$4.3AB2.2B
A3BA.2A.A15.4B3.13B8.4B7.A5.4B10.2A$7.A4.B3A5.A14.3AB4.14B6.4B5.3A7.
4B9.A$2.5A5.4B5.2A12.3BA5.14B5.A3B6.A10.4B10.A$2.A10.4B10.A6.3BA5.14B
5.A3B12.2A5.4B5.5A$4.A9.4B7.3A5.4B6.14B4.B3A14.A5.3AB4.A$3.2A10.4B5.A
7.4B8.13B3.4B15.A.2A.A3BA2B2.B3A$16.4B4.2A5.4B9.13B2.4B17.A2B.5BAB3.
2B.A$17.9B4.4B10.13B.4B20.4BA3BA3B4A$18.6B5.4B10.6B3A3B.5B21.3BABA2BA
3BAB2.2A$18.4B2A2B2.4B12.4BA3BA2B2.3B22.A3BA3BA2B.B3A2.A$16.4B2A2BA6B
14.2BA5BA5B23.BA5BA2B3.B.A.2A$16.4B2AB2A5B16.BA5BA3B24.3BA3BA8.A$16.
4B2AB2A4B17.BA5BA3B23.5B3AB7.2A$14.2AB.4BA5B16.2AB.A3BA2B.B2A20.4B2.
3B$13.A.AB3.7B16.A.AB.B3A3B.BA.A18.4B3.5B$13.A6.6B17.A5.4B6.A17.4B7.
2A$12.2A6.4B18.2A5.4B6.2A15.A3B8.A$21.3B24.4B23.B2AB10.3A$22.2B.BA20.
4B23.BABA13.A$21.B2ABA.A18.4B23.4B$20.BABABA.A17.4B23.4B$18.A2.A.A.A.
A.2A13.4B23.4B$18.4A.2A2.A2.3A10.4B23.4B$22.A4.2A4.A8.4B23.4B$20.A.A
9.2A7.4B23.4B$20.2A10.5B3.4B23.4B$34.3B2.ABAB23.4B$24.2A7.6B2AB23.4B$
24.A8.7BA23.4B$21.2A.A.B3.10B23.4B$21.A2.3AB.2B2A7B22.3AB$22.2A2.BA3B
2A7B21.3BA$24.4A12B20.3BA$24.A.2B3.7B.B2A17.4B$25.3AB2.7B.BA.A15.4B$
28.A3.5B5.A14.4B$23.5A5.4B5.2A12.4B$23.A10.4B10.A6.4B$25.A9.3BA7.3A5.
4B$24.2A10.ABAB5.A7.4B$37.2A2B4.2A5.4B$38.9B4.4B$39.6B5.4B$39.8B2.2A
2B$37.13B2A$37.12BAB$37.13B$35.2AB.10B$34.A.AB3.B2A3B$34.A6.B2A3B$33.
2A6.4B$42.3B$43.2B.BA$42.B2ABA.A$41.BABABA.A$39.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$39.4A.
2A2.A2.A$43.A4.2A$41.A.A$41.2A!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by C28 » June 16th, 2021, 6:48 am

calcyman wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 4:55 am
MathAndCode wrote:
June 15th, 2021, 11:13 pm
hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
Here are three gun partials:

p53
The p53 partial can be supported by gliders, resulting in a p53 fuse.
Nice! It goes without saying that this yields a p53 oscillator:

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x = 101, y = 114, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$57.A.A$51.2A4.A$49.A2.A2.2A.4A$49.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$52.A.ABABAB$52.
A.AB2AB$53.AB.2B$56.3B$56.4B6.2A$54.3B2AB6.A$54.3B2AB3.BA.A$52.10B.B
2A$51.13B$50.BA12B$49.2A13B$48.2B2A2.8B$47.4B5.6B$46.4B4.9B$45.4B5.2A
4.2B2A$44.4B7.A5.BABA10.2A$43.4B5.3A7.A3B9.A$42.4B6.A10.4B10.A$41.4B
12.2A5.4B5.5A$40.4B14.A5.5B3.A$39.4B15.A.AB.7B2.B3A$38.4B17.2AB.7B3.
2B.A$37.A3B20.12B4A$36.A3B21.7B2A3BAB2.2A$35.B3A22.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$34.
4B23.10B3.B.A.2A$33.4B23.A7B8.A$32.4B23.B2A6B7.2A$31.4B23.BABA2.3B$
30.4B23.4B3.5B10.2A$29.4B23.4B7.2A9.A.A$28.4B23.4B8.A4.2A4.A$27.4B23.
4B10.3A2.A2.2A.4A$26.4B23.4B13.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$25.4B23.4B17.A.ABABAB$
24.4B23.4B18.A.AB2AB$9.A13.ABAB23.4B20.AB.2B$9.3A10.B2AB23.4B24.3B$
12.A8.3BA15.2A6.4B5.2A18.4B6.2A$11.2A7.4B17.A6.4B5.A17.6B6.A$11.5B3.
4B18.A.AB.3B3AB.BA.A17.6B3.BA.A$13.3B2.4B20.2AB.2BA3BA.B2A16.5BA4B.B
2A$3.2A7.B3A5B23.3BA5BAB17.4B2AB2A4B$3.A8.A3BA3B24.3BA5BAB16.5B2AB2A
4B$2A.A.B3.2BA5BAB23.5BA5BA2B14.6BA2B2A4B$A2.3AB.2BA3BA3BA22.3B2.2BA
3BA4B12.4B2.2B2A4B$.2A2.BA3BA2BABA3B21.5B.3B3A6B10.4B5.6B$3.4A3BA3BA
4B20.4B.13B10.4B4.9B$3.A.2B3.BA5B.2BA17.4B2.13B9.4B5.2A4.4B$4.3AB2.2B
A3BA.2A.A15.4B3.13B8.4B7.A5.4B10.2A$7.A4.B3A5.A14.3AB4.14B6.4B5.3A7.
4B9.A$2.5A5.4B5.2A12.3BA5.14B5.A3B6.A10.4B10.A$2.A10.4B10.A6.3BA5.14B
5.A3B12.2A5.4B5.5A$4.A9.4B7.3A5.4B6.14B4.B3A14.A5.3AB4.A$3.2A10.4B5.A
7.4B8.13B3.4B15.A.2A.A3BA2B2.B3A$16.4B4.2A5.4B9.13B2.4B17.A2B.5BAB3.
2B.A$17.9B4.4B10.13B.4B20.4BA3BA3B4A$18.6B5.4B10.6B3A3B.5B21.3BABA2BA
3BAB2.2A$18.4B2A2B2.4B12.4BA3BA2B2.3B22.A3BA3BA2B.B3A2.A$16.4B2A2BA6B
14.2BA5BA5B23.BA5BA2B3.B.A.2A$16.4B2AB2A5B16.BA5BA3B24.3BA3BA8.A$16.
4B2AB2A4B17.BA5BA3B23.5B3AB7.2A$14.2AB.4BA5B16.2AB.A3BA2B.B2A20.4B2.
3B$13.A.AB3.7B16.A.AB.B3A3B.BA.A18.4B3.5B$13.A6.6B17.A5.4B6.A17.4B7.
2A$12.2A6.4B18.2A5.4B6.2A15.A3B8.A$21.3B24.4B23.B2AB10.3A$22.2B.BA20.
4B23.BABA13.A$21.B2ABA.A18.4B23.4B$20.BABABA.A17.4B23.4B$18.A2.A.A.A.
A.2A13.4B23.4B$18.4A.2A2.A2.3A10.4B23.4B$22.A4.2A4.A8.4B23.4B$20.A.A
9.2A7.4B23.4B$20.2A10.5B3.4B23.4B$34.3B2.ABAB23.4B$24.2A7.6B2AB23.4B$
24.A8.7BA23.4B$21.2A.A.B3.10B23.4B$21.A2.3AB.2B2A7B22.3AB$22.2A2.BA3B
2A7B21.3BA$24.4A12B20.3BA$24.A.2B3.7B.B2A17.4B$25.3AB2.7B.BA.A15.4B$
28.A3.5B5.A14.4B$23.5A5.4B5.2A12.4B$23.A10.4B10.A6.4B$25.A9.3BA7.3A5.
4B$24.2A10.ABAB5.A7.4B$37.2A2B4.2A5.4B$38.9B4.4B$39.6B5.4B$39.8B2.2A
2B$37.13B2A$37.12BAB$37.13B$35.2AB.10B$34.A.AB3.B2A3B$34.A6.B2A3B$33.
2A6.4B$42.3B$43.2B.BA$42.B2ABA.A$41.BABABA.A$39.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$39.4A.
2A2.A2.A$43.A4.2A$41.A.A$41.2A!
nice. am i right in saying it's the 2nd p53 discovered?

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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » June 16th, 2021, 6:56 am

C28 wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 6:48 am
calcyman wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 4:55 am
MathAndCode wrote:
June 15th, 2021, 11:13 pm

The p53 partial can be supported by gliders, resulting in a p53 fuse.
Nice! It goes without saying that this yields a p53 oscillator:

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snip
nice. am i right in saying it's the 2nd p53 discovered?
Not quite, since snark loops are adjustable

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » June 16th, 2021, 7:51 am

hotdogPi wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 4:58 pm
Here are three gun partials:

p53

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x = 21, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12b2o$11bobo2$2o15b2o$bo15bo$bobo11bobo$2b2o11b2o3$10bo$3bo6b2o2b
o$3bo2bo5bo2bo$5bo2b2o5bo$5bo5bob3o$5b3o6bo$6bo2bo$10bo$10bo$11bo2bo$
6bo6b3o$5b3obo5bo$5bo5b2o2bo$5bo2bo5bo2bo$6bo2b2o6bo$10bo3$4b2o11b2o$
3bobo11bobo$3bo15bo$2b2o15b2o2$7bobo$7b2o$8bo!
Here is an extremely disappointing near-miss, where the blocks are reformed just one cell off:

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x = 58, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
24bo$24b2o$23bobo2$12b2o15b2o$13bo15bo$13bobo11bobo$14b2o11b2o3$14bo7b
o$14b2o6b2o2bo$13bobo2bo5bo2bo$17bo2b2o5bo$17bo5bob3o$17b3o6bo$18bo2bo
15bo$22bo14b2o$22bo13bobo$23bo2bo$18bo6b3o14b2o$17b3obo5bo14bo$17bo5b
2o2bo12bobo$17bo2bo5bo2b2o9b2o$3o15bo2b2o6b2o$2bo19bo33bo$bo33bo19bo$
27b2o6b2o2bo15b3o$16b2o9b2o2bo5bo2bo$15bobo12bo2b2o5bo$15bo14bo5bob3o$
14b2o14b3o6bo$31bo2bo$19bobo13bo$19b2o14bo$20bo15bo2bo$31bo6b3o$30b3ob
o5bo$30bo5b2o2bo$30bo2bo5bo2bobo$31bo2b2o6b2o$35bo7bo3$29b2o11b2o$28bo
bo11bobo$28bo15bo$27b2o15b2o2$32bobo$32b2o$33bo!
Maybe an eater can be removed from the snark, allowing the active snark reaction to interact with the p53 engine. Like this, but in a way that actually does something useful:

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x = 36, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
3b2o7b3o5b2o$4bo6bo8bo$4bobo4bo2bo3bobo$5b2o2b2o3bo3b2o$8bo4bo$8bo3bob
o$8bo4bo$9b2o4bo$11bo3bo9b2o$11bo3bo9bobo$12b3o12bo4b2o$3o20b4ob2o2bo
2bo$2bo20bo2bobobobob2o$bo24bobobobo$27b2obobo$27b2o2bo$26b3o$12b3o$
11bo3bo9bobobo$11bo3bo9b2ob2o$11bo4b2o5b2o5b2o$13bo4bo2bo2bo2b4ob2o$
12bobo3bo2bo2bo4b5o$13bo4bo2bo4bo2b2obo$7b2o3bo3b2o8b3o$6bobo3bo2bo7b
2o$6bo8bo$5b2o5b3o14b2o$29bo$30b3o$32bo!
Or maybe we could somehow support two copies of the engine with 3 gliders, instead of 4.

Is there any way to support the engine with just a glider, instead of a glider and eater? Like this, but working:

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x = 26, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
4b2o15b2o$5bo15bo$5bobo5b3o3bobo$6b2o4bo3bo2b2o$11bo5bo$11bo5bo$11bo5b
o$12bo3bo$13b3o4$3o$2bo$bo5$13b3o$12bo3bo7bo$11bo5bo5b2o$11bo5bo5bobo$
11bo5bo$8b2o2bo3bo$7bobo3b3o$7bo$6b2o!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » June 16th, 2021, 5:30 pm

Sokwe wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 7:51 am
Is there any way to support the engine with just a glider, instead of a glider and eater?
Actually, it might be possible to support it with a single catalyst, specifically a certain type of block factory. Here's a proof of concept:

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x = 25, y = 30, rule = Symbiosis
5.A$4.A.A12.2A$5.2A12.A$17.A.A$17.2A2$2.B$.2A$A3.2A7.2A$.2A.2A4.2A.2A
$2.A7.2A3.A$.BA6.A3.2A$2.2A6.2A.2A$10.2A3$13.2A$10.2A.2A6.2A$10.2A3.A
6.AB$9.A3.2A7.A$10.2A.2A4.2A.2A$10.2A7.2A3.A$22.2A$22.B2$6.2A$5.A.A$5.
A12.2A$4.2A12.A.A$19.A!
That reaction leaves a block on each side, so there would have to be more permanent catalysts in order to get rid of the blocks instead of sacrificial boats.
I have historically worked on conduits, but recently, I've been working on glider syntheses and investigating SnakeLife.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » June 17th, 2021, 6:00 am

MathAndCode wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 5:30 pm
Sokwe wrote:
June 16th, 2021, 7:51 am
Is there any way to support the engine with just a glider, instead of a glider and eater?
Actually, it might be possible to support it with a single catalyst, specifically a certain type of block factory. Here's a proof of concept:

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x = 25, y = 30, rule = Symbiosis
5.A$4.A.A12.2A$5.2A12.A$17.A.A$17.2A2$2.B$.2A$A3.2A7.2A$.2A.2A4.2A.2A
$2.A7.2A3.A$.BA6.A3.2A$2.2A6.2A.2A$10.2A3$13.2A$10.2A.2A6.2A$10.2A3.A
6.AB$9.A3.2A7.A$10.2A.2A4.2A.2A$10.2A7.2A3.A$22.2A$22.B2$6.2A$5.A.A$5.
A12.2A$4.2A12.A.A$19.A!
That reaction leaves a block on each side, so there would have to be more permanent catalysts in order to get rid of the blocks instead of sacrificial boats.
P53 gun in StateInvestigator:

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x = 23, y = 24, rule = StateInvestigator
5.C9.ED$16.D3$.DE$2E.2A7.2A$DA.2A4.2A.2A$ED7.2A3.A$.DE5.A3.2A$9.2A.2A
$9.2A3$12.2A$9.2A.2A$9.2A3.A5.ED$8.A3.2A7.DE$9.2A.2A4.2A.AD$9.2A7.2A.
2E$20.ED3$6.D$6.DE9.C!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 1st, 2021, 10:32 am

Is there a way to make a p74 gun using my new oscillator? It seems like there are several possibilities:
1. Replace one eater with a conduit that creates a glider and allows the oscillator to continue. This might be difficult, due to the way the B-heptomino being eaten is essential for the p74 to work.
2. Replace one eater with a drifter that produces a spark, then spark to glider.
3. Have two of the p74s interact.
4. Have a p74 interact with Beluchenko's other p37, which is a sparker.

Oscillator, for reference. Bounding box 35×35.

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x = 35, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
9bo15bo$9b3o11b3o$12bo9bo$11b2o9b2o6$2o31b2o$bo31bo$bobo27bobo$2b2o27b
2o$13b2o5b2o$13b3o3b3o$12bo2bo3bo2bo$13b2o5b2o2$13b2o5b2o$12bo2bo3bo2b
o$13b3o3b3o$13b2o5b2o$2b2o27b2o$bobo27bobo$bo31bo$2o31b2o6$11b2o9b2o$
12bo9bo$9b3o11b3o$9bo15bo!
Current smallest p74: 66×55

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x = 66, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
41bo11b2o$40bobo10b2o$32bo3b2o2bobo$31bobo2bo2b2ob2o$17b2o12bobo3bobo
$18bo13bob4o2bob2o$18bobo13bo3bobob2o$19b2o12bo3bobo$23b2o7bo3bobo$23b
2o7b2o3bo$5b2o16bo$5b2o35b2o$21b3o16b5o$39bo4bo$39bo2b3o5b2o$39b2o2bo
6bobo7b2o$41b2o7bo8bo2bo$2o20bo37b2obo$2o21b2o38bo$63b2o$17bo30b2o$16b
2o31bo$15b2obo27b3o7bo$16bobo14b2o11bo8bobo$17b2o14bo21bo2bo$34b3o20b
o$36bo$61b2o$17bo23b2o17bo2bo$18b2o22bo17bobo$17b2o23bobo16bo$32bo10b
2o12b3o$30b3o24b2o$29bo$29b2o16b2o$14b2o30bo2bo14b2o$15bo30bo2bo14b2o
$15bob2o26b5o$16bo2bo22b2ob2o$17bobo24bo$26b2o$19bobo2bo2bo$20bo2b2o4b
o$23b2o6bo$23bo2b2ob3o$23bo3b5o9bo3b2o$23bo16bobo3bo$27bo11bobo3bo$24b
o2bo7b2obobo3bo$24b3o8b2obo2b4obo5b2o$39bobo3bobo5bo$35b2ob2o2bo2bobo
2b3o$36bobo2b2o3bo3bo13bo$24b2o10bobo26bo$24b2o11bo25b3o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » July 1st, 2021, 9:49 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
July 1st, 2021, 10:32 am
Is there a way to make a p74 gun using my new oscillator? It seems like there are several possibilities:
1. Replace one eater with a conduit that creates a glider and allows the oscillator to continue. This might be difficult, due to the way the B-heptomino being eaten is essential for the p74 to work.
2. Replace one eater with a drifter that produces a spark, then spark to glider.
3. Have two of the p74s interact.
4. Have a p74 interact with Beluchenko's other p37, which is a sparker.
Method 2 is trivial in StateInvestigator:

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x = 38, y = 35, rule = StateInvestigator
9.A15.A$9.3A11.3A$12.A9.A$11.2A9.2A$36.E$35.E$34.E2$32.CD2.DE$2A30.E.
DE$.A29.DE$.A.A25.EDE2.E$2.2A25.E.A2D$11.2A9.2A8.E$10.2A11.2A$11.2A9.
2A$12.A9.A2$12.A9.A$11.2A9.2A$10.2A11.2A$11.2A9.2A$2.2A27.2A$.A.A27.A
.A$.A31.A$2A31.2A6$11.2A9.2A$12.A9.A$9.3A11.3A$9.A15.A!

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x = 21, y = 15, rule = StateInvestigator
5.2D$6.E12.E$18.E$17.E2$15.CD2.DE$15.E.DE$E13.DE$E11.EDE2.E$E11.E.A2D
$E2.2A10.E$E.3A$2.A2.A$3.2A$3.5E!
No such catalyst exists in Life at the moment. I also haven't found a way for two p74s to interact without destroying each other.
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 2nd, 2021, 10:00 am

This isn't likely, but just in case:

After 186 generations, it rotates, which would allow for a p372 (=2*2*3*31) gun... if the catalysts didn't interfere when rotated 90°. Is there any way to provide the spark or use a fishhook replacement catalyst and move some of the catalysts so that it works in its 90° rotation phase, too?

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x = 48, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
28bo2bo2bo$28b7o2$28b7o$28bo2bo2bo5$7b2o$8bo$8bobo$9b2o25b2o$2o34b2o$b
o$bobo$2b2o3$8bo$6b2ob2o$6b2ob2o$6b2o2bo$4bo3b2o15bobo$4bo13b2o9bobo$
12bo5b2o11bo$11bobo11bo3bobo$11bobo11bo3bo$11bo$11bo17bo$29bo$11bo3bo
11bobo$9bobo3bo11bobo$9bo11b2o5bo$9bobo9b2o13bo$13bobo15b2o3bo$30bo2b
2o$30b2ob2o$30b2ob2o9b2o$32bo11bobo$46bo$46b2o$37b2o$37bobo$39bo$3b2o
34b2o$3b2o8$6bo2bo2bo$6b7o2$6b7o$6bo2bo2bo!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » July 4th, 2021, 8:10 pm

Here's another p46 gun based on David Raucci and Martin Grant's p46 honey farm hassler:

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x = 48, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
3b2o38b2o$2bobo38bobo$3bo40bo2$12bo3b3o11bo3b2o$2o9bobo2b5o7b2obob3o
10b2o$2o9bo3b2o3b2o6bo4b3o10b2o$12bo2bo3b2o7bo3bo$13b3o3bo9b3o2$13b3o
3bo9b3o$12bo2bo3b2o7bo3bo$2o9bo3b2o3b2o6bo4b3o10b2o$2o9bobo2b5o7b2obob
3o10b2o$12bo3b3o11bo3b2o2$3bo40bo$2bobo38bobo$3b2o38b2o2$33b2o$16b3o7b
2o4b2obo$15bo4bo5b3o4bob2o4b2o$14bo5bo5b2obo4b2o5b2o$5bo9bo11bo$3b3o
10b2o9b5o$2bo26b4o$3b3o10b2o13b2o$5bo9bo23b2o$14bo5bo5bobo10bobo$15bo
4bo5bobo5bo6bo$16b3o7bo8bo5b2o$33b3o!
This gun uses the natural honey farm + eater -> glider + junk reaction.
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by bubblegum » July 5th, 2021, 12:08 am

Sokwe wrote:
July 4th, 2021, 8:10 pm
This gun uses the natural honey farm + eater -> glider + junk reaction.
Ooh, it's an AK-47 reaction gun, so "AK-46"?
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 6th, 2021, 6:34 pm

p117 gun with bounding box 42×45

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x = 42, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$28b2o2bo$31bo$31bo8b2o$27bo12bo$31b2o5bobo$29b2ob2o4b2o$33b2o$7b
o7b2o16b3o$7b3o5b2o16b2o$10bo18b2ob2o4b2o$9b2o20b2o5bobo$27bo12bo$31bo
8b2o$20b2o9bo$21bo6b2o2bo$19bo4b3o4b2o$11b3o7bo4bo$11bo2bo9b3o$10b5o5b
2o$11bo2bo$5b2o4b3o$5b2o6bo14bo6b2o$28b3o4b2o$27bo2bo$20b2o5b5o$15b3o
9bo2bo$15bo4bo7b3o$9b2o4b3o4bo$9bo2b2o6bo$10bo9b2o$2o8bo$bo12bo$bobo5b
2o20b2o$2b2o4b2ob2o18bo$7b2o16b2o5b3o$6b3o16b2o7bo$7b2o$2b2o4b2ob2o$bo
bo5b2o$bo12bo$2o8bo$10bo$9bo2b2o$9b2o!
And my partials:

p70, but good luck getting the spark in

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x = 20, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$13b2o$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$9bo$8bobo$9bo2$2o5b2o$2o5b3o$6bo2bo$4bob3o
$4bo2b2o$6bobo3bo$7bo4bo$7bo3bobo$11b2o2bo$11b3obo$10bo2bo$10b3o5b2o$
11b2o5b2o2$10bo$9bobo$10bo$16b2o$16bobo$18bo$18b2o$5b2o$5b2o!
p86, good fallback (not enough for p2 though), bad period

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x = 19, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$14b2o$b2o$2bo$2bobo$3b2o4$7b3o$b2o7bobo$b2o4bo2b3o5bo$8b5obo3bo$
13bob2o$12bobo$6bo4b2o2bo$5b3o3b3o$5bo3b3o$6bo5bo$7b3o3bo$5b3o3b3o$3bo
2b2o4bo$4bobo$2b2obo$o3bob5o$o5b3o2bo4b2o$6bobo7b2o$9b3o4$14b2o$14bobo
$16bo$16b2o$3b2o$3b2o!
p94; the spark can be replaced with a whole bunch of sacrificial objects, or sustain itself as an oscillator, but unfortunately, 94 is one of the periods we have a much smaller one for

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x = 21, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$13b2o$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o2$8bobo$9b2o2$2o9b3o$2o9bobo2bo$10b2ob2obo$
11bobo$12b2o8$7b2o$7bobo$4bob2ob2o$4bo2bobo9b2o$7b3o9b2o2$10b2o$10bobo
2$17b2o$17bobo$19bo$19b2o$6b2o$6b2o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Kazyan » July 6th, 2021, 6:56 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
July 6th, 2021, 6:34 pm
p117 gun with bounding box 42×45

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x = 42, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$28b2o2bo$31bo$31bo8b2o$27bo12bo$31b2o5bobo$29b2ob2o4b2o$33b2o$7b
o7b2o16b3o$7b3o5b2o16b2o$10bo18b2ob2o4b2o$9b2o20b2o5bobo$27bo12bo$31bo
8b2o$20b2o9bo$21bo6b2o2bo$19bo4b3o4b2o$11b3o7bo4bo$11bo2bo9b3o$10b5o5b
2o$11bo2bo$5b2o4b3o$5b2o6bo14bo6b2o$28b3o4b2o$27bo2bo$20b2o5b5o$15b3o
9bo2bo$15bo4bo7b3o$9b2o4b3o4bo$9bo2b2o6bo$10bo9b2o$2o8bo$bo12bo$bobo5b
2o20b2o$2b2o4b2ob2o18bo$7b2o16b2o5b3o$6b3o16b2o7bo$7b2o$2b2o4b2ob2o$bo
bo5b2o$bo12bo$2o8bo$10bo$9bo2b2o$9b2o!
Wonderful! Using a recent p13 sparker, its bounding box can be reduced further, to 33×52:

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x = 52, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
2.A43.A$2.3A39.5A$5.A6.A7.2A21.A5.A$4.2A6.3A4.B2AB6.2A12.B3A2.A$4.4B
7.A4.3B7.A13.2B.A.2A$6.3B5.2A3.B.B8.A.AB3.4B3.2ABA3.A$6.4B4.13B4.2AB.
2B4AB.3B2.A.A$7.4B5.5BA6B5.3BA4BA2B5A.2A$8.4B2.5B3A6B5.2BA6BA3B$9.10B
3A3BA6B.3BA4BA2B5A.2A$10.10BABAB2ABA5B2.2B4AB.3B2.A.A$11.10B3A4BA4B4.
4B3.2ABA3.A$12.9B2ABA3BA4B11.2B.A.2A$14.12B2A4B.3B7.B3A2.A$11.B.9BA
15B5.A5.A$10.2AB.8BABA13B.2B3.5A$5.A4.2A10B2A4B2A10B2A4.A$3.5A3.2B.
13BABA8B.B2A$2.A5.A5.15BA9B.B$2.A2.3AB7.3B.4B2A12B$.2A.A.2B11.4BA3BAB
2A9B$A3.AB2A3.4B4.4BA4B3A10B$.A.A2.3B.B4A2B2.5BAB2ABABA10B$2A.5A2BA4B
A3B.6BA3B3A10B$6.3BA6BA2B5.6B3A5B2.4B$2A.5A2BA4BA3B5.6BA5B5.4B$.A.A2.
3B.B4A2B.B2A4.13B4.4B$A3.AB2A3.4B3.BA.A8.B.B3.2A5.4B$.2A.A.2B13.A7.3B
4.A7.4B$2.A2.3AB12.2A6.B2AB4.3A5.4B$2.A5.A21.2A7.A6.3BA$3.5A39.3BA$5.
A42.3AB!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by C28 » July 8th, 2021, 4:31 pm

i feel like there is some potential here

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x = 10, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3o$b3o$obo$2o4$5bo$5bo$5bo2$b3o3b3o2$5bo$5bo$5bo!

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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 11th, 2021, 12:47 pm

One that likely would have worked if it wasn't a prime period (109):

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x = 16, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
2bo2bo$b6o5$5b3o$4bo3bo$o2bo5bo$2bo3bo3bo$2bo2bobo2bo$2bo3bo3bo$3bo5bo
$4bo3bo$5b3o13$8b3o$7bo3bo$6bo5bo$5bo3bo3bo$5bo2bobo2bo$5bo3bo3bo$6bo
5bo2bo$7bo3bo$8b3o5$9b6o$10bo2bo!
p36 partial

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x = 222, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
204b2o2$206b2o$107bo97bo2bo$106b3o96bo2bo$6b3o96b5o96b2o$5bo3bo90bo3bo
5bo$4bo5bo89bo2b2o2bo2b2o89b2o$4bo5bo91b3obobob3o87bo2bo$4bo5bo92b2o2b
o2b2o89bobo$5bo3bo9b3o82bo5bo91bo3bob2o$6b3o12bo83b5o96bo7b2o$20bo85b
3o5bo90bo7b3o$bo105bo5b3o90b3o7bo$o12b3o96b5o89b2o7bo$3o9bo3bo94bo5bo
94b2obo3bo$11bo5bo92b2o2bo2b2o99bobo$11bo5bo91b3obobob3o98bo2bo$11bo5b
o92b2o2bo2b2o2bo97b2o$12bo3bo94bo5bo3bo$13b3o96b5o97b2o$113b3o97bo2bo$
114bo98bo2bo$214b2o2$216b2o!
p98 flipper partial

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x = 216, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2o$2bo2$205b2o2$204bo$203b3o$11b3o89b3o97b4o$10bo3bo84bo2bo3bo100b
o$9bo5bo85bo5bo96bo2b2o$9bo5bo85bo5bo95bobob3o$9bo5bo85bo5bo96bo2b2o$
10bo3bo87bo3bo94bo5bo$11b3o89b3o96b5o$203b3o$204bo3$212bo$211b3o$3b3o
105b3o96b5o$2bo3bo103bo3bo94bo5bo$bo5bo101bo5bo92b2o2bo$bo5bo101bo5bo
91b3obobo$bo5bo101bo5bo92b2o2bo$2bo3bo103bo3bo2bo91bo$3b3o105b3o96b4o$
211b3o$212bo2$210b2o2$14bo$15b2o$14b2o!
p105 partial

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x = 222, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$23bobo$25bo5$217b2o$218b2o$217bo2$113b3o$115bo$114bo7$218b2o$
115b2o$114bo97b3ob3o$104bo10bob2o91bo4b7o$104bo2bo7bo3bo85b2o7bo4b3o$
6b3o97bo9bo2bo85b2o7bo4bo$5bo3bo96b2o9b2o87bo3bo2bo2b3obo$4bo5bo6b3o
87bo4b2o93bo3b3o7bo$4bo5bo5bo3bo91b2obo92b2o3bo$4bo5bo4bo5bo87b2ob2ob
2o88b2o5b2o5b2o$5bo3bo5bo5bo88bob2o98bo3b2o$6b3o6bo5bo90b2o4bo85bo7b3o
3bo$16bo3bo86b2o9b2o85bob3o2bo2bo3bo$17b3o86bo2bo9bo86bo4bo7b2o$106bo
3bo7bo2bo82b3o4bo7b2o$107b2obo10bo82b7o4bo$111bo95b3ob3o$109b2o$206b2o
7$111bo$110bo$110b3o2$208bo$206b2o$207b2o5$o$obo$2o!
If this wasn't a flipper, it would have been p189...

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x = 30, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
4bob2o4b2obo$4b2o2bo2bo2b2o$2b2o3bo4bo3b2o$bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$2b3obobo2bo
bob3o$4bobobo2bobobo$7bo4bo$8bo2bo$8bo2bo6$11b3o$10bo3bo$9bo5bo$8bo3bo
3bo$8bo2bobo2bo$8bo3bo3bo$5b2o2bo5bo$4bobo3bo3bo$4bo6b3o$3b2o9$26b2o$
17b3o6bo$16bo3bo3bobo$15bo5bo2b2o$14bo3bo3bo$14bo2bobo2bo$14bo3bo3bo$
15bo5bo$16bo3bo$17b3o6$19bo2bo$19bo2bo$18bo4bo$15bobobo2bobobo$13b3obo
bo2bobob3o$12bo3b2ob4ob2o3bo$13b2o3bo4bo3b2o$15b2o2bo2bo2b2o$15bob2o4b
2obo!
Dot sparks to gliders, any period 185 or more that allows a sparker like the figure eight shown. However, very inaccessible.

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x = 40, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
36b2o2$35bo3bo$34bo4bo$33bobobo$32bobobo$30bo4bo$30bo3bo2$26bo5b2o2$
14b2o8b2o$13bo2bo6bo2bo$13b3o8b3o2$13b3o8b3o$13bo2bo6bo2bo$14b2o8b2o2$
6b2o5bo2$5bo3bo$4bo4bo$3bobobo$2bobobo$o4bo$o3bo2$2b2o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Freywa » July 16th, 2021, 9:32 am

A strange gun:

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x = 51, y = 77, rule = B3/S23
42b2o5b2o$42b2o5b2o13$42b2o5b2o$42bob2ob2obo$43bobobobo$2o5b2o34bobobo
bo$2o5b2o33bo7bo4$44b2ob2o$42bo2bobo2bo$42b3o3b3o$43bo5bo2$bo5bo41b2o$
3o3b3o40b2o$ob2ob2obo$2b2ob2o$2b2ob2o42b2o$2b2ob2o36bo5b2o$42b3o$41bo
3bo$41b2ob2o2$42b3o$6b3o33b3o$6b3o18bo$25b2o$5b2ob2o16b2o$5bo3bo$6b3o$
2o5bo36b2ob2o$2o42b2ob2o$44b2ob2o$42bob2ob2obo$2o40b3o3b3o$2o41bo5bo2$
bo5bo$3o3b3o$o2bobo2bo$2b2ob2o4$o7bo33b2o5b2o$bobobobo34b2o5b2o$bobobo
bo$ob2ob2obo$2o5b2o13$2o5b2o$2o5b2o!
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