The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » March 11th, 2021, 9:38 am

wwei47 wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 9:06 am
dvgrn wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 8:47 am
G1 outputs can be kind of handy, because any lane with either glider color at 90 degrees to the G1 can be reached by adding a semi-cenark, usually with a couple of different choices for timing mod 8.
Can't we just use a highway robber to separate the gliders?
"Just"? Sure, we could, but what on Earth would be the point? Highway robbers are huge and painfully slow compared to any number of known G-to-2G conduits.

(And really this B266 G1 is just a little too big and awkward already to be much of any practical use. It probably won't be showing up very often in glider-adjustment circuitry, because we already have smaller options.)

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » March 11th, 2021, 10:31 am

dvgrn wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 8:47 am
usually with a couple of different choices for timing mod 8.
I believe that changing which input glider results in an output glider results additional output timings mod 8.

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x = 227, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
11.2A.2A146.2A.2A$12.A.A148.A.A$7.2A.A5.A.2A138.2A.A5.A.2A$6.A.A.2A3.
2A.A.A136.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$5.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A31.2A101.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.
A30.2A$5.7AB.B7A31.A102.7AB.B7A30.A$9.3B.B.3B23.A12.A105.3B.B.3B22.A12.
A$7.3AB.3B.B3A21.3A7.4A103.3AB.3B.B3A20.3A7.4A$6.A.BA3BA3BAB.A23.A6.A
105.A.BA3BA3BAB.A22.A6.A$6.2A3.BABAB3.2A22.2A8.B3A100.2A3.BABAB3.2A21.
2A8.B3A$11.BABAB27.5B5.BA2.A104.BABAB26.5B5.BA2.A$11.2BA2B29.9B2.2A104.
2BA2B28.9B2.2A$11.2B.2B23.AB3.10B108.2B.2B22.AB3.10B$9.B.5B22.A.AB.12B
105.B.5B21.A.AB.12B$7.9B17.2A3.2A16B102.9B16.2A3.2A16B$7.8B2E16.A2.2A
3.16B101.8B2E15.A2.2A3.16B$6.2A6BE2BE16.2A2.2A8B2E3B.4B99.2A6BE2BE15.
2A2.2A8B2E3B.4B$6.2AB.5B2EB18.A2.A.7BEBEB3.4B98.2AB.5B2EB17.A2.A.7BEB
EB3.4B$7.B2.8B18.2A4.7BEB5.4B98.B2.8B17.2A4.7BEB5.4B$10.8B3.2B19.B2E4B
8.4B100.8B3.2B18.7B8.4B$11.12B17.3B2E3B10.4B100.12B17.7B10.4B$11.14B14.
5B.5B9.4B99.14B14.10B9.4B$11.15B12.5B5.2A10.4B98.15B12.4B5.2A10.4B$9.
18B10.5B6.A12.4B95.18B10.5B5.A12.4B$7.21B8.5B8.3A10.4B92.21B8.5B7.3A10.
4B$7.2BA19B6.5B11.A11.4B91.2BA19B6.5B10.A11.4B$6.3BABA19B3.5B25.4B89.
3BABA19B3.5B24.4B$7.2B3A20B.7B25.4B89.2B3A20B.7B24.4B$6.5BA29B2.B22.4B
87.5BA29B2.B21.4B$5.10B.25B.B2A22.4B85.10B.25B.B2A21.4B$4.4B9.26B2A23.
4B83.4B9.26B2A22.4B$3.4B10.24B.2B25.4B81.4B10.24B.2B24.4B$18.23B29.4B
95.23B28.4B$2.2A14.24B29.4B78.2A14.24B28.4B$3.A16.23B29.4B78.A16.23B28.
4B$3A17.24B29.4B74.3A17.24B28.4B$A19.23B31.3B74.A19.23B30.3B$19.25B31.
2B93.25B30.2B$19.24B7.2A24.B93.24B7.2A23.B$20.23B7.A120.23B7.A$20.25B
2.BA.A120.25B2.BA.A$20.26B.B2A121.26B.B2A$19.4B.8B2.14B122.4B.8B2.14B
$18.4B3.7B3.13B121.4B3.7B3.13B$17.4B5.5B5.12B120.4B5.5B5.12B$16.4B4.B
.7B4.10B120.4B4.B.7B4.10B$15.4B.13B3.11B119.4B.13B3.11B$5.B2.35B.2B110.
B2.35B.2B$4.7BD33B110.7BD33B$4.7B3D31B110.7B3D31B$2.9BDBD15B2E13B109.
9BDBD15B2E13B$2.11BD15B2E6B.6B109.11BD15B2E6B.6B$.BE14B2.2B3.11B2.7B108.
BE14B2.2B3.11B2.7B$.EBE10B11.10B2.5B110.EBE10B11.10B2.5B$.EBE8B16.6B3.
6B109.EBE8B16.6B3.6B$2.E8B19.3B5.4B111.E8B19.3B5.4B$2.10B20.B6.AB3.2A
107.10B20.B6.AB3.2A$3.9B20.2A4.A.A.A2.A108.9B20.2A4.A.A.A2.A$4.8B21.A
3.A.2A.2A111.8B21.A3.A.2A.2A$4.7B19.3A4.A117.7B19.3A4.A$5.5B20.A5.2A118.
5B20.A5.2A$7.2B149.2B!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by calcyman » March 11th, 2021, 10:39 am

MathAndCode wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 10:31 am
dvgrn wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 8:47 am
usually with a couple of different choices for timing mod 8.
I believe that changing which input glider results in an output glider results additional output timings mod 8.
Yes, in addition to the distance to the reflector in full-diagonals, there are three independent binary decisions:
  • Whether to reflect to the left or the right;
  • Which of the two gliders creates an output glider (this affects the output glider colour);
  • Whether to use a CC or CP semi-cenark (also affects the output glider colour).
This gives exactly two timing choices for each output lane.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » March 11th, 2021, 10:56 am

calcyman wrote:
March 11th, 2021, 10:39 am
This gives exactly two timing choices for each output lane.
Sometimes you get unlucky and there's an overlap in mod-8 timing choices for two of the combinations, but not in this case it looks like.

For the CP turn (only) there's a third equally compact timing option available, using just a regular Snark and suppressing the second glider:

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x = 76, y = 222, rule = LifeHistory
11.2A.2A$12.A.A$7.2A.A5.A.2A$6.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$5.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A30.
2A$5.7AB.B7A30.A$9.3B.B.3B22.A12.A$7.3AB.3B.B3A20.3A7.4A$6.A.BA3BA3BA
B.A22.A6.A$6.2A3.BABAB3.2A21.2A8.B3A$11.BABAB26.5B5.BA2.A$11.2BA2B28.
9B2.2A$11.2B.2B22.AB3.10B$9.B.5B21.A.AB.12B$7.9B16.2A3.2A16B$7.8B2A
15.A2.2A3.16B$6.2A6BA2BA15.2A2.2A8B2A3B.4B$6.2AB.5B2AB17.A2.A.7BABAB
3.4B$7.B2.8B17.2A4.7BAB5.4B$10.8B3.2B18.7B8.4B$11.12B17.7B10.4B$11.
14B14.10B9.4B$11.15B12.4B5.2A10.4B$9.18B10.5B5.A12.4B$7.21B8.5B7.3A
10.4B$7.2BA19B6.5B10.A11.4B$6.3BABA19B3.5B24.4B$7.2B3A20B.7B24.4B$6.
5BA29B2.B21.4B$5.10B.25B.B2A21.4B$4.4B9.26B2A22.4B$3.4B10.24B.2B24.4B
$18.23B28.4B$2.2A14.24B28.4B$3.A16.23B28.4B$3A17.24B28.4B$A19.23B30.
3B$19.25B30.2B$19.24B7.2A23.B$20.23B7.A$20.25B2.BA.A$20.26B.B2A$19.4B
.8B2.14B$18.4B3.7B3.13B$17.4B5.5B5.12B$16.4B4.B.7B4.10B$15.4B.13B3.
11B$5.B2.35B.2B$4.7BD33B$4.7B3D31B$2.9BDBD15B2A13B$2.11BD15B2A6B.6B$.
BA14B2.2B3.11B2.7B$.ABA10B11.10B2.5B$.ABA8B16.6B3.6B$2.A8B19.3B5.4B$
2.10B20.B6.AB3.2A$3.9B20.2A4.A.A.A2.A$4.8B21.A3.A.2A.2A$4.7B19.3A4.A$
5.5B20.A5.2A$7.2B19$11.2A.2A$12.A.A$7.2A.A5.A.2A36.2A$6.A.A.2A3.2A.A.
A35.A$5.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A35.A$5.7AB.B7A30.2A2.2A$9.3B.B.3B22.A11.A.A$
7.3AB.3B.B3A20.3A11.A.4A$6.A.BA3BA3BAB.A22.A8.B2A.A2.A$6.2A3.BABAB3.
2A21.2A7.5B$11.BABAB26.5B4.4B$11.2BA2B28.11B.B$11.2B.2B18.2A2.AB3.11B
.B2A$9.B.5B18.A2.A.AB.14B2A$7.9B19.A.2A18B$7.8B2A19.A3.16B$6.2A6BA2BA
19.2A8B2A3B.4B$6.2AB.5B2AB20.A.7BABAB3.4B$7.B2.8B18.A4.7BAB5.4B$10.8B
3.2B13.2A3.7B8.4B$11.12B17.7B10.4B$11.14B14.10B9.4B$11.15B12.4B5.2A
10.4B$9.18B10.5B5.A12.3B$7.21B8.5B7.3A10.2B$7.2BA19B6.5B10.A11.B$6.3B
ABA19B3.5B$7.2B3A20B.7B$6.5BA29B2.B$5.10B.25B.B2A$4.4B9.26B2A$3.4B10.
24B.2B$18.23B$2.2A14.24B$3.A16.23B$3A17.24B$A19.23B$19.25B$19.24B7.2A
$20.23B7.A$20.25B2.BA.A$20.26B.B2A$19.4B.8B2.14B$18.4B3.7B3.13B$17.4B
5.5B5.12B$16.4B4.B.7B4.10B$15.4B.13B3.11B$5.B2.35B.2B$4.7BD33B$4.7B3D
31B$2.9BDBD15B2A13B$2.11BD15B2A6B.6B$.BA14B2.2B3.11B2.7B$.ABA10B11.
10B2.5B$.ABA8B16.6B3.6B$2.A8B19.3B5.4B$2.10B20.B6.AB3.2A$3.9B20.2A4.A
.A.A2.A$4.8B21.A3.A.2A.2A$4.7B19.3A4.A$5.5B20.A5.2A$7.2B19$11.2A.2A
29.2A$12.A.A30.A.A$7.2A.A5.A.2A27.A4.2A$6.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A22.4A.2A2.A2.
A$5.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A21.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$5.7AB.B7A23.BABABA.A$9.3B.B.3B
28.B2ABA.A$7.3AB.3B.B3A27.2B.BA$6.A.BA3BA3BAB.A25.3B$6.2A3.BABAB3.2A
16.2A6.4B$11.BABAB22.A6.B2A3B$11.2BA2B22.A.AB3.B2A3B$11.2B.2B23.2AB.
10B$9.B.5B25.13B$7.9B25.5B3D6B$7.8B2A24.7BD7B$6.2A6BA2BA25.4BD3B2.4B$
6.2AB.5B2AB25.6B5.4B$7.B2.8B24.9B4.4B$10.8B3.2B18.4B4.2A5.4B$11.12B
17.4B5.A7.4B$11.14B14.4B7.3A5.4B$11.15B12.4B10.A6.4B$9.18B10.5B18.4B$
7.21B8.5B20.3B$7.2BA19B6.5B22.2B$6.3BABA19B3.5B24.B$7.2B3A20B.7B$6.5B
A29B2.B$5.10B.25B.B2A$4.4B9.26B2A$3.4B10.24B.2B$18.23B$2.2A14.24B$3.A
16.23B$3A17.24B$A9.A.A7.23B$10.2A.A5.25B$13.3A3.24B7.2A$10.2A4.A3.23B
7.A$10.A.5A3.25B2.BA.A$12.A7.26B.B2A$11.A3.2A2.4B.8B2.14B$10.A3.A.A.
4B3.7B3.13B$10.2A3.A.4B5.5B5.12B$16.4B4.B.7B4.10B$15.4B.13B3.11B$5.B
2.35B.2B$4.7BD33B$4.7B3D31B$2.9BDBD15B2A13B$2.11BD15B2A6B.6B$.BA14B2.
2B3.11B2.7B$.ABA10B11.10B2.5B$.ABA8B16.6B3.6B$2.A8B19.3B5.4B$2.10B20.
B6.AB3.2A$3.9B20.2A4.A.A.A2.A$4.8B21.A3.A.2A.2A$4.7B19.3A4.A$5.5B20.A
5.2A$7.2B!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by calcyman » March 28th, 2021, 3:29 pm

dvgrn wrote:
January 5th, 2021, 10:07 pm
... Any hope of getting another glider out somewhere, while keeping the Spartan-ness and the 74-tick repeat time? That would really revolutionize single-channel construction, since SingleChannel74 is (probably) quite a bit more efficient than SingleChannel90.
The closest I can manage is this, sacrificing a block to liberate a glider from the syringe:

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x = 58, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
3.A53.B$2.2BA51.2B$2.3AB49.3B$3.4B47.4B$4.4B10.A34.4B$5.4B7.3A33.4B$
6.4B5.A21.B13.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B11.4B$2A6.9B17.6B8.5B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.
8B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.26B$2.A2.A4.43B$3.2AB3.44B.3B$4.14B2A13B2A22B$5.
13B2A13B2A21B2A$6.48B.B2A$6.17B.B5.23B3.B$7.15B10.B2.18B$7.15B13.17B$
A7.13B14.16B$3A7.13B12.6B2.9B.B$3.A4.9B4.2A.A11.5B3.10BA$2.2A4.8B5.2A
B3A9.4B5.6B.BA.A$2.6B.6B7.B4.A17.6B2.BA$4.10B7.2A.3A18.6B$3.11B8.A.A
16.A.2AB.4B$2.3B2C6B9.A.A14.3AB2AB.3B$.4B2C5B11.A14.A4.B4.4B$4B2.7B
26.3A.2A5.2A$3B3.5B2AB27.A.A6.A$2B5.2B.B2A28.A.A7.3A$B10.B30.A10.A!
Maybe there's a different way to perturb that active reaction (the one that eventually settles into a beehive by itself) to release a glider, possibly using transparent bait?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei47 » March 28th, 2021, 4:00 pm

calcyman wrote:
March 28th, 2021, 3:29 pm
Maybe there's a different way to perturb that active reaction (the one that eventually settles into a beehive by itself) to release a glider, possibly using transparent bait?
This useless thing works all the way down to P56. The input clearance is terrible though.

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x = 11, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
A$3A$3.A5.2A$2.2A5.2A7$7.C$6.C.C$2A3.C2.C$3AC2.2C$.2AD3$3.2A$4.A$.3A$
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » March 29th, 2021, 9:46 am

calcyman wrote:
March 28th, 2021, 3:29 pm
The closest I can manage is this, sacrificing a block to liberate a glider from the syringe:

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x = 58, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
3.A53.B$2.2BA51.2B$2.3AB49.3B$3.4B47.4B$4.4B10.A34.4B$5.4B7.3A33.4B$
6.4B5.A21.B13.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B11.4B$2A6.9B17.6B8.5B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.
8B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.26B$2.A2.A4.43B$3.2AB3.44B.3B$4.14B2A13B2A22B$5.
13B2A13B2A21B2A$6.48B.B2A$6.17B.B5.23B3.B$7.15B10.B2.18B$7.15B13.17B$
A7.13B14.16B$3A7.13B12.6B2.9B.B$3.A4.9B4.2A.A11.5B3.10BA$2.2A4.8B5.2A
B3A9.4B5.6B.BA.A$2.6B.6B7.B4.A17.6B2.BA$4.10B7.2A.3A18.6B$3.11B8.A.A
16.A.2AB.4B$2.3B2C6B9.A.A14.3AB2AB.3B$.4B2C5B11.A14.A4.B4.4B$4B2.7B
26.3A.2A5.2A$3B3.5B2AB27.A.A6.A$2B5.2B.B2A28.A.A7.3A$B10.B30.A10.A!
Maybe there's a different way to perturb that active reaction (the one that eventually settles into a beehive by itself) to release a glider, possibly using transparent bait?
I last investigated that 5-6 years ago, and there was a result like this, but maybe it could be looked into for a glider output as well.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » April 19th, 2021, 10:24 pm

Does this H->G count as elementary?

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x = 41, y = 43, rule = LifeHistory
20.A$19.A.A$18.2BAB$3.2A14.2B$4.A11.4B$4.A.AB7.6B$A.2A.2AB5.9B.B5.B.3B
$2A.A.B.27B$3.A.30B$3.2A31B$4.B.30B$7.29B$8.29B$10.27B$11.2B.10B2.9B.
B2A$14.9B3.4B.4B.BA.A$15.14B.2B7.A$15.13B.2BAB6.2A$15.12B3.A.A$16.11B
4.A$14.4B.4B3CB$14.2A4.4BC2B$15.A3.3B3C2B$12.3A3.9B$12.A4.11B$16.4B3.
B.4B$15.4B7.4B$14.4B9.3B$13.4B12.B2A$12.4B13.BA.A$11.4B17.A$10.4B18.2A
$9.4B$8.4B$7.4B$6.4B$5.4B$4.4B$3.4B$2.4B$.4B$4B$3B!
As for why I thought that it was okay to post this here instead of in the H->G thread, I remembered EvinZL's post and made the opposite change, resulting in a Bx106 Herschel conduit without an Fx119 output that must be deleted if wanted.

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x = 44, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
2A18.2A$.A18.A$.A.AB13.A.A$2.2AB.2A9.A.A3.A$4.2B2AB4.2A3.A3.A.A$4.4B5.
2A6.2BAB$4.6B12.2B$2.B2.5B9.4B$.2AB.2B2EB8.6B$.2A4B2EB.2B3.9B.B5.B.3B
$2.2B.32B$5.33B$4.35B$4.35B$5.34B$5.35B$4.6B3.27B$4.6B4.2B.10B2.9B.B2A
$5.5B7.9B4.3B.4B.BA.A$5.3D2B8.11B4.2B7.A$6.BDB9.12B2.2BAB6.2A$6.3D9.12B
3.A.A$7.B11.11B4.A$17.4B.4B3CB$17.2A4.4BC2B$18.A4.2B3C2B$15.3A6.6B$15.
A8.7B!
I searched for a way to suppress the glider but couldn't find one. Can anyone else?

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » April 20th, 2021, 5:27 am

H-to-G29 (I think):

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x = 25, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20b2o4$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o4$23bo$22bobo$23bo$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4bo5$6bo
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » April 20th, 2021, 8:07 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
April 20th, 2021, 5:27 am
H-to-G29 (I think)...
There's no need to guess about this kind of thing. Just select the pattern you posted in Golly and run the script in the first post, and subtract 31 minus 2 -- it's definitely a G29.

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x = 47, y = 75, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.D3.D2.3D4.D3.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$2D2.D.D3.D.D3.D2.2D5.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D
$D.D.D.D3.D5.D3.D5.D5.D7.D.D2.2D$D2.2D.D.D.D3.2D4.D5.D5.D6.D2.D.D.D$D
3.D.D.D.D5.D3.D5.D5.D5.D3.2D2.D$D3.D.2D.2D.D3.D3.D5.D5.D4.D4.D3.D$D3.
D.D3.D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D2.5D2.3D4$D3.D.D3.D2.3D2.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$2D2.D.D3.
D.D3.D3.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D$D.D.D.D3.D5.D3.D5.D7.D5.D$D2.2D.D.D.D4.D4.D
5.D5.2D5.D$D3.D.D.D.D3.D5.D5.D7.D3.D$D3.D.2D.2D2.D6.D5.D3.D3.D2.D$D3.
D.D3.D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D2.5D4$.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D
3.D3.D2.2D$D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$4.D.D.D.D9.
D5.D5.D5.D$D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D7$20.4B$21.
4B$22.4B$23.4B$24.4B$25.4B$25.4B$25.5B2.B$24.6B.B2A$24.8B2A$4.B19.6B.
2B$4.2B17.7B$4.3B15.8B$4.4B4.2A8.8B$5.4B4.A9.8B$6.4B3.A.AB4.10B$7.4B
3.2AB.14B$8.4B4.17B$9.4B3.17B$10.4B3.16B.B$11.4B.19BA$12.20B.BA.A$12.
19B3.BA$12.2BC15B$11.3BCBC4B.9B$12.2B3C4B2.7B$11.5BC4B2.7B$10.20B$9.
4B6.11B$8.4B8.10B$7.4B8.B.10B$6.4B8.A2B.8B$5.4B8.A.A11B$4.4B10.AB.10B
$4.3B14.10B$4.2B15.8B$4.B18.5B$21.4B$21.2A$22.A$19.3A$19.A!
Then look up NW2T132 in the "NW2" section in the H-to-G collection, and you'll find it's already there, and has been there for something like half a decade.

The standard form of the single-output NW2T132 is Spartan, using a beehive and block instead of the 16-bit catalyst at the top. There's also a slightly less obtrusive position for the eater at the bottom:

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x = 41, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.D3.D2.3D2.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$2D2.D.D3.D.D3.D3.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D$D.D.D.
D3.D5.D3.D5.D7.D5.D$D2.2D.D.D.D4.D4.D5.D5.2D5.D$D3.D.D.D.D3.D5.D5.D7.
D3.D$D3.D.2D.2D2.D6.D5.D3.D3.D2.D$D3.D.D3.D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D2.5D3$22.2B$
22.BA2B$21.BABA2B$20.2BABA2B$20.3BA2B$19.6B$20.7B$21.7B2.B$21.7B.B2A$
22.8B2A$22.6B.2B$21.7B$20.8B$5.B4.2A8.8B$5.2B4.A9.8B$5.3B3.A.AB4.10B$
5.4B3.2AB.14B$6.4B4.17B$7.4B3.17B$8.4B3.16B.B$9.4B.19BA$10.20B.BA.A$
10.19B3.BA$10.2BD15B$9.3BDBD4B.9B$10.2B3D4B2.7B$9.5BD4B2.7B$8.20B$7.
4B6.11B$7.3B8.10B$5.4B8.B.10B$5.2AB8.A2B.8B$6.A8.A.A11B$3.3A10.AB.10B
$3.A15.10B$20.7B$20.6B$18.2AB$17.A.AB$17.A$16.2A!
Possibly the 16-bit catalyst will be useful in a few rare situations where the beehive doesn't fit. The NW2T132 has never really seen all that much use anyway, though, because of the relatively poor repeat time.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei47 » April 20th, 2021, 8:37 am

Nice, yet another H->3G, and Spartan too, even before slmake!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » April 20th, 2021, 11:17 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
April 19th, 2021, 10:24 pm
I remembered EvinZL's post and made the opposite change, resulting in a Bx106 Herschel conduit without an Fx119 output that must be deleted if wanted.
I searched for a way to suppress the glider but couldn't find one. Can anyone else?
I found a completely different method for a getting Bx106 without the Fx119 output that at first glance looks great.

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x = 40, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
20bo$20b3o$23bo$2o20b2o$bo$bobo21b2o$2b2o2b2o16bobo$6b2o16b2o4$b2o4b2o
$b2o4b2o6$36b2o$36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!
The problem is that the output Herschel's first natural glider hits the ship if it isn't stopped, an eater 5 doesn't fit, and feeding the output Herschel into a dependent conduit with the standard transparent block hits the fishhook that deleted the input Herschel's first block if there is one and turns the block into a honey farm if there isn't, so the conduit requires a 7×9 eater weld that I'm positive isn't Spartan in order to be able to feed its output into anything.

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x = 40, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$16bobo$18bo$13bo3b2obo$12bobo2bo2b3o$12bobo4bo3bo$2o11bob5o2b2o
$bo13bo$bobo10bo3b2o5b2o$2b2o2b2o5bo3bobo4bobo$6b2o5b2o3bo5b2o4$b2o4b
2o$b2o4b2o6$36b2o$36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!
The search for a good pure Bx106 continues.



Edit: The search is over now.

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x = 40, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo12bo$bobo10b3o5b2o$2b2o2b2o9bo4b2o$6b2o8b2o4$b2o4b2o$b2o4b2o6$36b
2o$36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!
Here's a version without the leftover block in case it becomes useful in the future:

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x = 40, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo9b2o7b2o$2b2o2b2o6bo7b2o$6b2o6bobo$15b2o3$b2o4b2o$b2o4b2o6$
36b2o$36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!


Another edit: I removed a block from the version that might become useful in the future.

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x = 40, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
2o25bo$bo23b3o$bobo20bo$2b2o2b2o16b2o$6b2o4$b2o4b2o$b2o4b2o6$36b2o$36b
obo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!
It can be replaced with an eater 2 in order to handle the output Herschel's first natural glider, but since there is already a block-fishhook pair that can serve the same point, that is useless for most purposes.

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x = 40, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
26bo$25bobo$25bobo$2o22b2ob3o$bo28bo$bobo20b2ob3o$2b2o2b2o16b2obo$6b2o
4$b2o4b2o$b2o4b2o6$36b2o$36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b
3o$15bo!


Yet another edit: This almost lets the output Herschel's first natural glider out.

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x = 40, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o2b2o4b2o$6b2o5bo$13bobo$14b2o2$b2o4b2o$b2o4b2o6$36b2o$
36bobo$38bo$38b2o5$26b3o$17b2o8bo$18bo6b3o$15b3o$15bo!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei47 » April 21st, 2021, 9:00 am

Very daunting. All catalysts have to be placed outside of the red zone:

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x = 48, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
41.7D$40.8D$39.9D$38.10D$37.10D$36.10D$35.10D$34.10D$33.10D$32.10D$31.
10D$30.10D$29.10D$28.10D$27.10D$26.10D$25.10D$24.10D$23.10D$22.10D$2A
19.10D$.A18.10D$.A.A15.10D$2.2A2.2A10.10D$6.2A9.10D$16.10D$15.10D$14.
10D$.2A4.2A4.10D$.2A4.2A3.10D$11.10D$10.10D$9.10D$8.10D$7.10D$6.10D20.
2A$6.9D21.A.A$6.8D24.A$6.7D25.2A$6.6D4$26.3A$17.2A8.A$18.A6.3A$15.3A$
15.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » May 18th, 2021, 6:10 am

Almost a very weird blockic HLx38H... I think?? The location of the natural B's block must be unoccupied, but unfortunately there's a boat left behind that the natural glider doesn't clean up. It also features the earliest "H" interaction I've ever seen, starting from the 9-tick (!) Herschel predecessor:

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
7.A2.2A$8.3A6.2A.A$9.A7.A.2A2$10.2A$10.2A7$9.B$8.3B$.4B.6B$.7B2D3B$2C
6BDBD3B$2C7BD5B$.B.14B$3.19B$4.19BD$4.B2C2B3D9B3DB$5.2C2BD11BDBD$8.3D
10BD$11.2B.2B2.2B!
There is at least one way to clean it up and get a signal out and get an H-to-G, but the initial H collision is so early that the H-to-G classifier script can't understand what's going on and so I couldn't easily get a proper timing (I believe the lane is SW-13):

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x = 112, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
72.B$71.3B$68.8B$B63.3B2A7B$2B62.2BA2BA6B$3B10.2B46.6BABA5B$4B8.3B46.
7BA7B$.4B5.C2B2C2B44.18B$2.4B4.B3C4B2.2A.A37.11BC7B$3.4B.4BC7BA.2A37.
11B3C5B$4.15B42.12BC6B$5.8B2A4B42.19B$6.7B2A3B42.19B$7.11B43.17B$8.9B
44.17B$8.9B44.16B$9.8B44.16B$8.8B46.13B$9.7B48.2B2.7B$9.8B52.6B$9.9B
51.6B$4.4B.10B45.4B.10B$4.16B44.16B$3.2C16B26.A15.2C16B26.A$3.2C17B
19.A4.A.A14.2C17B19.A4.A.A$4.B.17B16.3A4.A.A15.B.17B16.3A4.A.A$6.24B
8.A6.2A.3A15.24B8.A6.2A.3A$7.24B7.2A6.B4.A15.24B7.2A6.B4.A$7.B2C2B3D
16B2.B.5B5.2AB3A16.B2C2B3D16B2.B.5B5.2AB3A$8.2C2BD18B.6B7.2A.A19.2C2B
D18B.6B7.2A.A$11.3D24B3.6B24.3D24B3.6B$14.2B.28B29.2B.28B$20.26B34.
26B$21.27B33.27B$22.27B33.27B$22.26B34.26B$22.24B36.24B$23.21B39.21B$
21.4B.16B39.4B.16B$21.2A3.2B.12B40.2A3.2B.12B$22.A11.9B39.A11.9B$19.
3A12.2A5.2A36.3A12.2A5.2A$19.A15.A5.A37.A15.A5.A$32.3A7.3A47.3A7.3A$
32.A11.A47.A11.A!
There might be other ways to clear the boat that allow getting a different signal out, which might allow other conduits to feed into it as well.

EDIT: Oh, before I forget, this finding was inspired by an old failed B->G posted by Kazyan here.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » May 18th, 2021, 2:54 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:
May 18th, 2021, 6:10 am
There is at least one way to clean it up and get a signal out and get an H-to-G, but the initial H collision is so early that the H-to-G classifier script can't understand what's going on and so I couldn't easily get a proper timing (I believe the lane is SW-13):
Indeed yes. Specifically, it's HSW-13T43, and it has two versions. I have added both versions to my draft of the Elementary Conduits Collection.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » June 14th, 2021, 5:51 pm

Two incomplete conduits--one H-to-G0 and one H-to-R:

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x = 135, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
121b2ob2o$122bobo$117b2obo5bob2o$116bobob2o3b2obobo$4b2obo107bo6bobo6b
o$4bob2o108b6o3b6o$113b3o15b3o$5b5o103bo3b3o7b3o3bo$2o2bo4bo93b2obo7b
3o2bo3bo3bo2b3o$o2bo2bo96bob2o10bo4bobo4bo$bobob2o109bo5bobo5bo$2obo5b
o94b5o7bobo4bo4bobo$3bo4bobo88b2o2bo4bo8bobo7bobo$3b2o2bo2bo88bo2bo2bo
12bo9bo$8b2o90bobob2o17bo$2o97b2obo5bo13bobo$bo100bo4bobo12bobo$bobo
98b2o2bo2bo13bo$2b2o103b2o$99b2o$34b2o64bo$34b2o64bobo$101b2o2$133b2o$
133b2o$8bo$8bobo$8b3o6b2o$10bo6b2o$107bo$107bobo21b2o$107b3o6b2o13b2o$
20b2o87bo6b2o$20b2o3$119b2o$119b2o!
The issue is the same for both of them: a block that needs to be deleted.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » June 19th, 2021, 12:31 am

I found a couple of new Herschel-accepting conduits starting the same way as HNW2T196.

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x = 187, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
17.2A$17.A$14.A4.A2.2A153.2A$14.5A.A2.A153.A$2A18.2A.A.2A147.A4.A2.2A
$.A10.4A.3A3.A2.A147.5A.A2.A$.A.A8.A2.A.A3.2A.A135.2A18.2A.A.2A$2.2A18.
A.2A135.A10.4A.3A3.A2.A$22.A138.A.A8.A2.A.A3.2A.A$21.2A139.2A18.A.2A$
182.A$181.2A3$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C157.C$4.C157.C.C18.2A$33.A128.3C18.2A$31.
3A130.C$30.A$30.2A2$24.D$23.3D$25.D2$30.2A$29.A2.A$30.A.A$31.A4$19.D.
D149.3D$19.D.D148.2D$19.3D149.2D!
Unfortunately, for the left conduit, I can't find a way to delete the R-sequence before it destroys the fishhook, which prevents the pi output from being used. The right conduit uses the same E-making mechanism as PF*198E, starting with a B-sequence being perturbed from behind in a way that has the same effect. That region has a blockic fuse.

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x = 24, y = 163, rule = B3/S23
13b2o2$14bob2o2$15bo2bo2$13b2o$7b2o4bo2bo$7b2o5b3o9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o9$
22b2o$7b2o13b2o$7b2o9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o9$22b2o$7b2o13b2o$7b2o9$2o$2o13b
2o$15b2o9$22b2o$7b2o13b2o$7b2o9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o9$22b2o$7b2o13b2o$7b2o
9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o9$22b2o$7b2o13b2o$7b2o9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o9$22b2o$7b2o
13b2o$7b2o9$2o$2o13b2o$15b2o10$7b2o$7b2o!
Also, I seem to recall there being a way to turn it into something else, but I can't find it.
Lastly, since I'm making a conduit post anyway, I'm going to mention this C->I conduit just in case it's connectable:

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x = 32, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
19.A$19.3A$22.A$21.2A2$24.2A$23.A.A$23.2A2$4.A$3.A.A$3.A.A$.3A.2A$A$.
3A.2A23.2A$3.A.2A23.A$28.A.A$28.2A6$10.3C$10.C.C$9.C2.C$9.2C2$8.D$7.D
.D$6.D$7.D2.D$8.3D!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Gustone » August 28th, 2021, 6:57 am

H -> TL + glider

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x = 28, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
26.2C$26.C$24.C.C$24.2C3$2C$.C$.C.C$2.2C5$25.2C$25.2C$7.E$7.E.E$7.3E$
9.E!

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2bo6bo$obo5bobo$b2o5bobo$4b2ob2ob2o$4bo3bobo$5b2obo2bo$6bobo3bo$6bo2b
3o$4b2obobo$3bobobo$4bo2b2o$7bo2bo$9b2o!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by GUYTU6J » September 24th, 2021, 4:56 am

While filling the discovery information for RR56H, I found this composite L367 consisting of HLx111R + RR56H + Lx200 at repeat time 94 due to the H-to-R stage. 367 ticks is too long for the conduit collection, but I think it is worth mentioning as one of the blocks in RRx56H is shared with an eater 5 non-trivially.

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x = 51, y = 85, rule = LifeHistory
11.B$10.B2A$10.BAB$9.3A2B$9.5B$8.6B$8.6B$9.5B$9.6B$8.6B$8.7B$9.6B$9.
6B$9.6B$8.8B$7.8B$7.9B$7.9B$6.10B$6.3B2A5B$5.4B2A5B$5.11B$2A.A7BD4B$A
.2A2.4B3DB$7.2B2DBDB$8.6B$8.6B2.2A.A$7.9BA.2A$6.9B$6.9B$6.9B$6.9B$5.
11B$5.11B$4.12B$3.14B4.B$2.4B.10B3.3B$.16B2.6B$17B.7B2.4B$3B.29B2.2B
2.B$2B2.25BD11B$B3.23BDBD12B2.B$3.21B2AB3D9B2AB.B2A$3.21B2ABD11B2A3B
2A$2.41B.B$3.26B5.B.7B$4.20B2.B10.7B$.B.B.20B12.8B$2A24B11.8B$2A25B9.
8B.3B$.2B.12B2.5B.2B3.2B2.15B$3.13B3.4B.3B.B2AB.14B2A$.B.11B11.A3B2A
10BD5B2A$2A12B10.A.AB.3B.7B3D3B.B$2AB.10B9.A.AB6.7BD5B$.B4.6B.B2A7.A
11.10B$8.4B.BA.A5.2A12.9B$6.5B5.A17.11B$6.2A8.2A16.10B$7.A25.12B$4.3A
25.14B$4.A27.17B$33.15B2A$33.15B2A$32.17B$29.16B$28.16B$28.16B$27.16B
$26.20B$26.20B$27.20B$26.22B$24.24B$22.25B$22.2BA13B.10B$21.3BABA4B.
7B2.2B4.2A$22.2B3A4B2.3B.B4.B4.A$21.5BA4B4.2B2A3.2A4.3A$20.10B4.BA2.A
4.A6.A$19.4B12.3A4.A$18.4B20.2A$17.4B14.3A$16.4B15.A2.A$15.4B18.2A!
Why is the overall orientation difference L instead of Lx, given that all three are designated with x?
(EDIT: see below — it is an artifact from Entity Valkyrie )
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » September 24th, 2021, 5:42 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
September 24th, 2021, 4:56 am
HLx111R + RRx56H + Lx200... Why is the overall orientation difference L instead of Lx, given that all three are designated with x?
Very good question! I believe it's because "RRx56H" was incorrectly named in the LifeWiki article -- it's actually just "RR56H". The Elementary Conduits Collection has the correct name for all three variants. I've patched up the LifeWiki article and moved it to RR56H.

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