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[Mr. T]

c/7 Loafer p114 + Beehive = kind of fuse

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x = 592, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
20b2o14b2o14b2o15bo15b2o14b2o14b2o15b2o14b2o14b2o15bo15b2o14b2o14b2o
15b2o14b2o14b2o15bo15b2o14b2o14b2o15b2o14b2o14b2o15bo15b2o14b2o14b2o
15b2o14b2o14b2o15bo15b2o14b2o14b2o15b2o$19bo15bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo2bo
12bo2bo13b2o14bo15bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo15bo2bo12bo
2bo13b2o14bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo15bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o
14bo15bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo2bo12bo2bo13b2o14bo$18bo16b2obo12bo2bo12bo
16b2o14b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2o14b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2ob
o12bo2bo12bo16b2o14b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2o14b2obo12bo
2bo12bo16b2obo12bo2bo12bo16b2o14b2obo12bo2bo12bo$19b3o14bo15bob2o12b3o
13b2obo15b2o12b3o13b3o14bo15bob2o12b3o13b2obo15b2o12b3o13b3o14bo15bob
2o12b3o13b2obo15b2o12b3o13b3o14bo15bob2o12b3o13b2obo15b2o12b3o13b3o14b
o15bob2o12b3o13b2obo15b2o12b3o13b3o$21bo11bo3bobo14bo15bo31b3o14bo15bo
11bo3bobo14bo15bo31b3o14bo15bo11bo3bobo14bo15bo31b3o14bo15bo11bo3bobo
14bo15bo31b3o14bo15bo11bo3bobo14bo15bo31b3o14bo15bo$bo13bo15bo16b2o14b
o16bo5bo9b3o13bo15bo15bo16b2o14bo16bo5bo9b3o13bo15bo15bo16b2o14bo16bo
5bo9b3o13bo15bo15bo16b2o14bo16bo5bo9b3o13bo15bo15bo16b2o14bo16bo5bo9b
3o13bo15bo$obo11bobo14bo5bo9bo2b2obo9bobo13b2o15b7o9bob2o2bo9bobo14bo
5bo9bo2b2obo9bobo13b2o15b7o9bob2o2bo9bobo14bo5bo9bo2b2obo9bobo13b2o15b
7o9bob2o2bo9bobo14bo5bo9bo2b2obo9bobo13b2o15b7o9bob2o2bo9bobo14bo5bo9b
o2b2obo9bobo13b2o15b7o9bob2o2bo9bobo$obo10bo2bo2b2o9bo6bo8bo5bobo7bo2b
2ob3o8b2o3bobo8bo5b2o8bo2b2obobo7bo2bo2b2o9bo6bo8bo5bobo7bo2b2ob3o8b2o
3bobo8bo5b2o8bo2b2obobo7bo2bo2b2o9bo6bo8bo5bobo7bo2b2ob3o8b2o3bobo8bo
5b2o8bo2b2obobo7bo2bo2b2o9bo6bo8bo5bobo7bo2b2ob3o8b2o3bobo8bo5b2o8bo2b
2obobo7bo2bo2b2o9bo6bo8bo5bobo7bo2b2ob3o8b2o3bobo8bo5b2o8bo2b2obobo7bo
2bo2b2o$bo12b2o2bob2o8bo3b3o10b5o11b2o4b2o8b2o2bobo10b5o11b3o2bobo8b2o
2bob2o8bo3b3o10b5o11b2o4b2o8b2o2bobo10b5o11b3o2bobo8b2o2bob2o8bo3b3o
10b5o11b2o4b2o8b2o2bobo10b5o11b3o2bobo8b2o2bob2o8bo3b3o10b5o11b2o4b2o
8b2o2bobo10b5o11b3o2bobo8b2o2bob2o8bo3b3o10b5o11b2o4b2o8b2o2bobo10b5o
11b3o2bobo8b2o2bob2o$31bo2b2o12bo34bobo10b2obo45bo2b2o12bo34bobo10b2ob
o45bo2b2o12bo34bobo10b2obo45bo2b2o12bo34bobo10b2obo45bo2b2o12bo34bobo
10b2obo!

[roolif]

c/7 Loafer p114 + Beehive = kind of fuse
...

Isn't it really better classified as a crystal ? That is; a pattern that grows in a regular way toward a spaceship stream. Indeed, a completely new type of crystal, a very scarce category of patterns.

EDIT: WRONG . Driven by enthusiasm. It's more like a fuse. Crystals keep on being a "rara avis"...

[dani]

177925-gen 20-cell "methuselah" that apgsearch classified as yl256_1_-10_c86a11b3c92660a6ca3e0336c9386b7c:

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x = 28, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
24bo$24b2o$24bo2bo2$25bobo$26bo5$15b2o2$3o13bo$17b2obobo2$19bobo!

It produces an LWSS. Attached is a population plot (which I thought would look more exciting but I'm attaching it anyway)

EDIT 2022-03-20: I noticed there was a ship in the puffer output at (592, 577) that gets annihilated in the original methuselah. If you restore that ship before it interacts with anything else, the methuselah actually lasts 10x as long, making 2 more LWSSes and stabilizing at generation 2305992 with a cycling population. The last object created is a westward LWSS at (10212, 10305) right near the end.

[77551enpassant]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

[yujh]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

It's not counted because it is basically cheating. normal methuselahs that aren't based on linear growths don't last that long, while those that is based on linear growths being stopped can take quite some time so if they do count the other ones will just lose completely. So these don't really count.

[mniemiec]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

At what point is it stopped from behind? I've run it to over 800 thousand generations. It appears to be a two-spaceship ark heading northwest shooting slightly irregular but repeating streams of gliders northwest, occasional glider bursts southwest and northeast, and periodic BSEs southeast - making it a quadratically-expanding MMS breeder.

[hotdogPi]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

At what point is it stopped from behind? I've run it to over 800 thousand generations. It appears to be a two-spaceship ark heading northwest shooting slightly irregular but repeating streams of gliders northwest, occasional glider bursts southwest and northeast, and periodic BSEs southeast - making it a quadratically-expanding MMS breeder.

77551enpassant is referring to dani's 177925-generation methuselah, not the RLE in the signature.

[mniemiec]

77551enpassant is referring to dani's 177925-generation methuselah, not the RLE in the signature.

Ah, yes. This is one reason I hate RLE patterns in signatures - it's sometimes hard to tell when message content ends and signature begins, and one often ends up running signature patterns as if they were part of the content.

[hkoenig]

...RLE patterns in signatures...

User Control Panel > Board Preferences > Edit display options

has a number of settings that allows one to turn down the noise.

[hotcrystal0]

I scribbled this, which makes 3 toads and a LWSS

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x = 29, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4b2o5bo6bob3o$3bob2o5bo4bo$3bob7o4bobo6b2o$4b3o8bobobo2bo3b2o$4bo
bo6b2ob2obo6bo$bobo2bo4b2o2bob2o2bo2bobobo$2bo2bo3b3o3bobo6bo2bo$2bo2b
ob2o2bo2b2ob2o4bo$bo2b3o4bo4bo2b2o2bo$o2b2obo6b4obo$3o3bo3bo3b2ob3o2b
2o$2obo2bob2o3b2o3bo$o2b3o2bo4b2o4bo6bo$ob3o2bobo3bo6bo4bo2bo$2b2obo8b
o4bo5bo2bo$2b2o3bo5b4o2bo4bobo$bo3b3o4bo2b2o2bo$b4o3bo3b5o2bo2bo$8b2o
5bo3b3o$10b2o$12b2o!

[calcyman]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

I'd say that it absolutely does count as a methuselah for the reason that it's stopped from behind.

[77551enpassant]

Does this count as a Methuselah due to the switch engine eventually being stopped from behind, or not a true one due to being based on infinite growth, similar to ark pairs or crystal-based growth that just stops producing novelty?

I'd say that it absolutely does count as a methuselah for the reason that it's stopped from behind.

That's what I thought, too.

[LLAMASKYWALKER]

Cool Reaction:

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x = 17, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2$4bo3bo2bo$3bobobobo$2bo2bobo2bo$3b3ob3o2$3b3ob3o$2bo2bobo2bo$3bobob
obo$4bo3bo!

Works multiple times too

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2$4bo3bo2bo$3bobobobo$2bo2bobo2bo$3b3ob3o2$3b3ob3o$2bo2bobo2bo$3bobob
obo$bo2bo3bo!

this has GOT to be found before

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x = 15, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3$9b2o$10b2o$3b2o4b2o$3b2o4bo!

[Alexander Yu]

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x = 28, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o20bo$22bobo$22bobo$21b2ob3o$27bo$21b2ob3o$bo19b2obo$b2o$2o!

If there is anything special it is that there is a 17-cell polyomino at gen 59

[LLAMASKYWALKER]

beehive fuse:

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x = 39, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
3$4bo$4bo2$9bo2b2o$9bo4bo$10bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$15bobobobobobobobobo
bobo$15bobobobobobobobobobobo$10bo4bo2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$9bo4bo$9bo2b2o2$
4bo$4bo!

[wwei47]

This makes several rare still lives.

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x = 37, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b3o29b3o$bo2bo27bo2bo$bo6b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o6bo$bo5bo2bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo2bo
5bo$2bobo6bobo9bobo6bobo3$3o31b3o$o2bo29bo2bo$o35bo$o35bo$bobo29bobo!

[dani]

177925-gen 20-cell "methuselah"...

This one (same cell count) lasts 263502 generations:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
26.A$26.2A$26.A2.A2$27.A.A$28.A5$17.2A2$A17.A$2A17.2A.A.A2$21.A.A!

EDIT: Probably 1462595 generations, but it still has a linear growth at the end:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
16.3A13$17.A$17.2A$17.A2.A2$18.A.A$19.A10$.A3.A$2.2A$A4.A$5.A.A$5.
A!

[LLAMASKYWALKER]

hat:

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
$7bo$4b2obo$2b2o$4b2obo$o6bo!

[squareroot12621]

A photonegative mango makes nothing but loaves:

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x = 7, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bo2bo$ob2obo$bob2obo$2bo2bo$3b2o!
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It's a shame it doesn't turn into mangoes.

[wwei47]

Not a puffer, but makes a claw loop somehow.

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x = 105, y = 93, rule = B3/S23
8bo88bo$b3o3b3o80b3o3b3o$bo2bo2bob2o79bo2bo2bob2o$bo6b2o80bo6b2o$bo3b
ob3o80bo3bob3o$2bo3bo84bo3bo$6bo2bo85bo2bo$7bobo86bobo$7b2o87b2o$5bo2b
2o84bo2b2o$4bo3bob2o81bo3bob2o$4b2obo2bo82b2obo2bo$4bo5bob2o79bo5bob2o
$3b2o4bo2b2o78b2o4bo2b2o$3b2ob2o5bo78b2ob2o5bo$3b2ob2o5b2o77b2ob2o5b2o
2$3bo2b2o84bo2b2o$3bo2b2o84bo2b2o$6b2o2bo84b2o2bo$9b3o86b3o$4b2o2b2o2b
o80b2o2b2o2bo$3bobo2bobobo79bobo2bobobo$2b2ob3o2bob2o77b2ob3o2bob2o$2b
o2bob2o82bo2bob2o$b2obo3b6o76b2obo3b6o$2b2o3bo2bo3bo76b2o3bo2bo3bo$3b
2obo3b2o3bo76b2obo3b2o3bo$2bob2o4b2o2bo76bob2o4b2o2bo$b2ob2o6b3o75b2o
b2o6b3o$o4bo6b2o75bo4bo6b2o$8bo5bo82bo5bo$2o2bob3o3b2o75b2o2bob3o3b2o
$5b2o2bo84b2o2bo$5bob3o84bob3o$5bob2o2bo82bob2o2bo$3b3o4b3o79b3o4b3o$
2b2o2bo3bob2o77b2o2bo3bob2o$2b2o2bo6bo77b2o2bo6bo$3bobob2o3b3o77bobob
2o3b3o$4b2obobo83b2obobo$5bobo2bobo81bobo2bobo$4bo2bo2bo2b2o78bo2bo2b
o2b2o$4bob3obo82bob3obo$4b7o82b7o$4bo2b3o83bo2b3o$5bo6bo81bo6bo$6b8o81b
8o$8bo4bo83bo4bo$9b4obo83b4obo$9b4obo83b4obo$12b2obo85b2obo2$9b2obobo
83b2obobo$8bo88bo$8bo3b2o83bo3b2o$7bo88bo$b3o9bo76b3o9bo$bo2bo3bob3o77b
o2bo3bob3o$bo5b2ob5o75bo5b2ob5o$bo5bo2b2ob2o75bo5bo2b2ob2o$2bobob2o3b
ob2o76bobob2o3bob2o$6bo2bo3bo81bo2bo3bo$5b4ob2obo80b4ob2obo$6b2o2b2ob
o81b2o2b2obo$10b2obo85b2obo$10b2o87b2o$7b2o3bo83b2o3bo$6b3o86b3o$5bo2b
o85bo2bo$8bo88bo$8b2o87b2o$5b2ob2obo82b2ob2obo$7bob4o83bob4o$12bo88bo
$9b4o85b4o$7b4o85b4o$6b2o87b2o$5b2o2b2o83b2o2b2o$6b2obob2o82b2obob2o$
3b2o2bobo3bo78b2o2bobo3bo$3b2obo6bo78b2obo6bo$6b6o83b6o$5b3ob2ob3o79b
3ob2ob3o$3b2o7b3o77b2o7b3o$3b2o87b2o$2bo7bo2b2o76bo10b2o$3bo5b2o81bo$
8b3o$8b3o$8b3o$8b3o$9b2o!

[mniemiec]

A cool pattern I discovered. ...

This is the one known fundamental P20 oscillator in B34/S34. These can be daisy-chained diagonally to create tilings that are equivalent to polyominoes. Some of these can be synthesized from gliders, although there is currently no known way to insert one oscillator between two others (e.g. to complete the fourth corner of a block).

Here is some more information about this rule: https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/rule34.htm

[wwei47]

Oops, fired a sideways LWSS.

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x = 139, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
125bo6bo$124b3o4b3o$123bo2b2o2b2obo$123bob2o3b3o$125bo4b3o$2bo6bo113b
o2bo3b3o$b3o4b3o115bo4b2o$o2b2o2b2obo113bobo$ob2o3b3o116bo$2bo4b3o121b
o$o2bo3b3o120b3o$3bo4b2o117bob2o2bo$bobo123bo4b2o$3bo122bo2b2o$8bo117b
o3b2o$7b3o120b4obo$4bob2o2bo116bobo5b2o$4bo4b2o124b3o$3bo2b2o124bo2b3o
$3bo3b2o115b3o5b2o$7b4obo110bo2bo3bo5bo$4bobo5b2o112bo4b5o$12b3o111bo
3b2o$9bo2b3o108bobo2b2o3b4o$b3o5b2o117b3o6b2o$o2bo3bo5bo113b2o3bo2bo$
3bo4b5o122bo$3bo3b2o128b2o$obo2b2o3b4o122bo$5b3o6b2o111b3o6bo$4b2o3bo
2bo113bo2bo6bo$12bo116bo6b2o$14b2o113bo3bo$13bo112bobo3b3o$4b3o6bo118b
3o$3bo2bo6bo119bo$6bo6b2o116b5o$6bo3bo113b3o3bo5b2o$3bobo3b3o111bo2bo
6b2o$9b3o114bo4bob4obo$10bo115bo3b2o5bo$8b5o110bobo2b2obob2o2bo$b3o3b
o5b2o113bo2bo$o2bo6b2o115b2ob3o$3bo4bob4obo110bo$3bo3b2o5bo111bo2b4o$
obo2b2obob2o2bo110bo5bo$5bo2bo117bo$4b2ob3o117bo7b3o$3bo124bo5bo2bo$3b
o2b4o115bo2b2o7bo$2bo5bo115bobo10bo$3bo120bob4o3bo2bo$4bo7b3o109bo2bo
b4obo$5bo5bo2bo109bo2b2obo3b3o$2bo2b2o7bo119b2o$bobo10bo111b2o3b3o$bo
b4o3bo2bo118b2o$bo2bob4obo114b3o3b2o$bo2b2obo3b3o115b2o2bo$11b2o116bo
bobo$3b2o3b3o114b3o2b2o3b2o$9b2o114bo9bo$3b3o3b2o120bo3bo$6b2o2bo119b
o2b2o$6bobobo119b2obo$2b3o2b2o3b2o116b2o2b3o$2bo9bo118b2o$8bo3bo118b2o
4bo$7bo2b2o118b2o2bob2o$7b2obo120bobobo$7b2o2b3o116bo3b2o$8b2o120bo3b
o$8b2o4bo$7b2o2bob2o$8bobobo$7bo3b2o$7bo3bo$10b2o$2bo6bo$b3o$bob2o3b2o
2b3o$2b3o6bo2bo$2b2o3bo6bo$7bobo4bo$7bo3bobo$7b2o$3b4o2bo$3bob3o2bo$2b
o7bo$2bob2o2b2o2bo$2b3o4b5o$2bo2bo7bo$b2o2bo3b2o2b2o$3o3bo3bo2b2o$b2o
4b2o$b2o7bo$b2o7bo$3o$3o5bo$b2o!

[77551enpassant]

A cool pattern I discovered. ...

This is the one known fundamental P20 oscillator in B34/S34. These can be daisy-chained diagonally to create tilings that are equivalent to polyominoes. Some of these can be synthesized from gliders, although there is currently no known way to insert one oscillator between two others (e.g. to complete the fourth corner of a block).

Here is some more information about this rule: https://conwaylife.com/ref/mniemiec/rule34.htm

That was in his signature.

[77551enpassant]

Angel+pond+block results in 2 blocks + glider:

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x = 15, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
2$8bo$6b2ob2o$7bobo$8bo$3b2o$2bo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o4$7b2o$7b2o!

[mniemiec]

That was in his signature.

I know; that made it harder to quote. But I figured that the information would be useful in any case.