David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 26th, 2015, 6:41 pm

dvgrn wrote: There's an interesting Doppler effect between the positive and negative helices, that I hadn't really thought about -- upship streams are closer together by 2*(step size) than downship streams. (Right?)
Yes the Doppler effect is very vivid here (and yes I think 2 * step is correct). You can see the difference in length in the forward and backward readers.
dvgrn wrote:As far I can see, the other way to adjust the relative MWSS placement location is by adding empty cycles to the helix.
There is another pretty trivial way to adjust - use block moving slow salvo recipe. To clarify this, lets assume we have 15 gliders movement recipe from any point to any point. Now we always apply this recipe, and it takes exactly the same gliders which are always placed in (0, step size) range (as we don't use the +59 trick because we 0 mod 8 ). Now lets say we move the block not to (X, Y) but to (X, Y + 1). Because everything else remained constant, the *WSS recipe applied to (X, Y+1) will have latency of 8 ticks relative to (X, Y), 4 ticks because the SL moved 2 cells and the gliders fire with latency of 4, and another 4 ticks as the *WSS will be created 4 ticks bellow.

Now if we agree with the above logic, I claim we can remove the 15 gliders constrain. The only thing that was really matter is that the last emitted glider from (X, Y) and (X, Y + 1) were 4 ticks apart (activated by the same reading head). Now if we have two block movements, one takes 10 and other 15, we just don't do anything for 5 glider emission timing. Doing nothing will equalize the timing as if we did something for 15 ticks instead of 10.

I can say that my small tests with 59 step did show this is also working in practice, but yet again D59 is a bit different.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 26th, 2015, 8:25 pm

Fully adjustable front with self destruct completed (17 *WSS):

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x = 179, y = 558, rule = LifeHistory
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145.C$145.C3.C$145.C3.C$145.C$146.C.C!
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I was thinking, if we limit ourselves to p8N we can use monochromatic p2. We can assume all the gliders are all of the same parity, and this assumption will not force us to exclude any speeds (as mentioned few messages above).
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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » June 26th, 2015, 8:53 pm

simsim314 wrote:There is another pretty trivial way to adjust - use block moving slow salvo recipe... Because everything else remained constant, the *WSS recipe applied to (X, Y+1) will have latency of 8 ticks relative to (X, Y), 4 ticks because the SL moved 2 cells and the gliders fire with latency of 4, and another 4 ticks as the *WSS will be created 4 ticks bellow.
Ah, of course. That makes it easy. Also it takes up a lot less space than adjustments by adding empty helix cycles! Here's my trial pattern showing the 4-cell difference between two adjacent block positions, for an even-step system:

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x = 416, y = 3219, rule = LifeHistory
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simsim314 wrote:Now if we agree with the above logic, I claim we can remove the 15 gliders constrain.
Yes, it isn't really a N-glider constraint, it's an "N-helix-cycle" constraint. Generally speaking, adding a helix cycle will change the timing (by 40 or whatever, as shown in my last post) but it's easy to make adjustments on top of that.

Re: the "40" constant for 512-spaced recipes -- not surprisingly, moving the read-head spacing up to 514 also changes the timing differential for helix cycles from 40 to 42:

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x = 416, y = 3344, rule = LifeHistory
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107.C2.C$107.3C53$348.2C$348.3C$118.2C228.3C$118.3C226.C.2C$118.3C
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2A24$103.2C$102.C2.C$102.C.C$103.C6$28.2A228.2A$28.2A228.2A2$19.2A
228.2A$18.A2.A226.A2.A$19.2A228.2A3$23.2A3.2A223.2A3.2A$23.2A2.A2.A
222.2A2.A2.A$27.A2.A226.A2.A$28.2A228.2A63$22.2A228.2A$22.2A228.2A2$
13.2A228.2A$12.A2.A226.A2.A$13.2A228.2A3$17.2A3.2A223.2A3.2A$17.2A2.A
2.A222.2A2.A2.A$21.A2.A226.A2.A$22.2A228.2A24$333.2C$332.C2.C$332.C.C
$333.C6$258.2A$258.2A2$249.2A$248.A2.A$249.2A3$253.2A3.2A$253.2A2.A2.
A$257.A2.A$258.2A63$252.2A$252.2A2$243.2A$242.A2.A$243.2A3$247.2A3.2A
$247.2A2.A2.A$251.A2.A$252.2A!
I think this means that for 118-step systems, the zero point I was worried about will never occur -- because the read heads can't be moved 40 steps closer together without colliding, and if they're moved farther apart, the distance between the upships increases in lockstep. (And again, I agree that there was no reason to worry about the zero point anyway.)

Maybe there's some N-step system where the read heads can be moved close enough together to allow a zero point. If so, it would be somewhat easier to work with, since recipes would all work the same no matter how many cycles they took. But it would be a very special case, and it looks as if it won't be particularly difficult to factor in a per-cycle offset.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » June 26th, 2015, 10:27 pm

simsim314 wrote:I was thinking, if we limit ourselves to p8N we can use monochromatic p2. We can assume all the gliders are all of the same parity, and this assumption will not force us to exclude any speeds (as mentioned few messages above).
Hmm, I hadn't followed that line of thought far enough. I suppose the range of caterloopillar periods is relatively limited anyway -- can't get below the base period defined by the repeat time and distance of the reading heads. So every rational speed lower than c/4 is about as universal as it's possible to get, anyway.

In that case, an idea I had yesterday might be vaguely useful after all, at least as a sanity check. Of the 8,313 monochromatic block-move recipes I posted way back when on the Serizawa thread, 820 of them are P2-even:

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1m2  ,1  :E11
3m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E31
3m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E35
3m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E27
3m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-9
3m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-17
3m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-13
4m-3 ,1  :E-9 E-13 E-9 E-13
4m1  ,-2 :E-9 E-13 E-29 E-5
4m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E23
4m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E27
4m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E31
4m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E27
4m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E31
4m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E35
4m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-21
4m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-17
4m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-13
4m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E19 E-13
4m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E19 E-17
4m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E19 E-9
5m-8 ,7  :E-9 E7 E-21 E-5 E-29
5m-5 ,3  :E-9 E-13 E-9 E-21 E-21
5m-5 ,4  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-29 E7
5m-2 ,10 :E-9 E7 E-21 E3 E-9
5m-1 ,4  :E-9 E-13 E-9 E-1 E-1
5m-1 ,9  :E-9 E7 E-17 E-25 E3
5m1  ,12 :E-9 E-1 E-1 E19 E23
5m4  ,0  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E7
5m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E31
5m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E27
5m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E35
5m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E27
5m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-17
5m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E-13
5m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E-9
5m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E-17
5m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E27
5m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E35
5m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-5 E31
5m10 ,-5 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E-13
5m10 ,-5 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E-9
5m10 ,-5 :E-9 E-29 E19 E39 E-17
6m-16,11 :E-9 E7 E-9 E-25 E-21 E-77
6m-16,11 :E-9 E7 E-9 E-25 E-21 E-81
6m-8 ,7  :E-9 E7 E-21 E-5 E-37 E-25
6m-6 ,7  :E-9 E7 E-17 E11 E-1 E19
6m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E19
6m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E15
6m-4 ,-10:E-9 E11 E11 E19 E7 E27
6m-4 ,-10:E-9 E11 E11 E19 E7 E35
6m-4 ,6  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-29 E-29 E7
6m-3 ,11 :E-9 E7 E-17 E-33 E-33 E3
6m-2 ,-5 :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-1 E-13 E11
6m-2 ,0  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E3 E-21
6m-2 ,0  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E3 E-13
6m-1 ,-1 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E39 E-13
6m-1 ,-1 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E39 E-17
6m-1 ,-1 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E39 E-9
6m-1 ,8  :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-57
6m-1 ,8  :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-53
6m-1 ,8  :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-49
6m-1 ,8  :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-49 E3
6m0  ,8  :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-5 E-37 E-41
6m0  ,8  :E-9 E7 E-5 E11 E7 E-33
6m0  ,11 :E-9 E7 E-21 E3 E-13 E-9
6m1  ,6  :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-21 E-41 E-9
6m1  ,6  :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-21 E-41 E-29
6m1  ,7  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-9 E3 E11
6m1  ,7  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-9 E3 E15
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-5 E15
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-17
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-13 E3
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-13
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-5 E-5
6m1  ,28 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E3 E-21
6m4  ,9  :E-9 E7 E-5 E-17 E-1 E-25
6m4  ,9  :E-9 E7 E-5 E-17 E-1 E-33
6m4  ,9  :E-9 E7 E-17 E-29 E-25 E3
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E27 E27 E35
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E39
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E35
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E31 E39
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E27 E27 E55
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E39 E3
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E39 E-1
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E47
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E43
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E59 E31
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E59 E39
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E39
6m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E31 E59
6m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E-25 E27
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-21 E15 E-5
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-13 E-5
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-17 E-17 E-9
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E-5
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-17 E-17 E11
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-21 E15 E-13
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-13 E15
6m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E-9
6m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E19 E-17
6m8  ,4  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E3 E-9 E-21
6m8  ,4  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E3 E-9 E-13
6m11 ,3  :E-9 E7 E-17 E11 E-9 E3
6m14 ,-16:E-9 E7 E-5 E-9 E-9 E59
6m19 ,-3 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E-9
6m19 ,-3 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E-17
6m19 ,-3 :E-9 E-29 E39 E59 E-1 E-13
6m24 ,2  :E-9 E11 E11 E23 E-21 E-1
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-37 E7
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-21 E11
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E15
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-37 E-13
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E-1
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E3 E-25
7m-25,13 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E3 E-29
7m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-53 E-25 E-49
7m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-53 E-25 E-57
7m-16,11 :E-9 E7 E-9 E-25 E-21 E-89 E-93
7m-12,9  :E-9 E7 E-5 E11 E3 E-53 E11
7m-12,16 :E-9 E-1 E-17 E-9 E19 E7 E-29
7m-11,4  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-37 E-41 E-53 E-33
7m-11,4  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-53 E-45 E-57
7m-11,4  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-53 E-45 E-49
7m-10,16 :E-9 E7 E-17 E-29 E-41 E-45 E3
7m-9 ,9  :E-9 E7 E-17 E-29 E-41 E-45 E-21
7m-8 ,0  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-29 E-29 E-9 E-17
7m-8 ,0  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-29 E-29 E-9 E-21
7m-8 ,0  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-29 E-29 E-9 E-25
7m-8 ,3  :E-9 E11 E11 E23 E39 E11 E39
7m-8 ,3  :E-9 E11 E11 E23 E39 E11 E47
7m-8 ,3  :E-9 E11 E11 E23 E39 E11 E35
7m-8 ,4  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E11 E-25 E-37 E27
7m-8 ,4  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E11 E-25 E-37 E23
7m-8 ,12 :E-9 E7 E-5 E3 E23 E3 E11
7m-8 ,12 :E-9 E7 E-5 E3 E23 E3 E15
7m-8 ,12 :E-9 E7 E-5 E3 E23 E3 E19
7m-8 ,17 :E-9 E-1 E-1 E19 E19 E-17 E-25
7m-8 ,17 :E-9 E-1 E-1 E19 E19 E-17 E-29
7m-6 ,-8 :E-9 E11 E11 E19 E-1 E-1 E35
7m-6 ,-8 :E-9 E11 E11 E19 E-1 E-1 E27
7m-6 ,-5 :E-9 E7 E-5 E-29 E-9 E-1 E-17
7m-6 ,-5 :E-9 E7 E-5 E-29 E-9 E-29 E-13
7m-6 ,9  :E-9 E11 E11 E-29 E-29 E-17 E3
7m-6 ,11 :E-9 E11 E11 E-29 E-29 E3 E7
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-1 E-1 E-29 E-5
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E11 E11
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E11 E15
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E3 E15
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E11 E19
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E23 E15
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E23 E19
7m-5 ,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-29 E23 E3
7m-5 ,7  :E-9 E11 E11 E3 E-5 E-21 E19
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9m-23,14 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E19 E-65 E11
9m-23,14 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E19 E-65 E-1
9m-23,14 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E7 E-65 E7
9m-23,14 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E7 E-65 E-1
9m-23,14 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-9 E19 E-65 E19
9m-22,16 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-65 E-85 E-9 E15
9m-22,16 :E-9 E-13 E-17 E-33 E-17 E-65 E-85 E-9 E-1
9m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-29 E-21 E-13 E-69 E-41
9m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-29 E-21 E-13 E-69 E-25
9m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-37 E-49 E-61 E-25 E-57
9m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-37 E-49 E-61 E-25 E-53
9m-18,6  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-57 E-37 E-49 E-61 E-25 E-49
9m-15,4  :E-9 E-9 E3 E23 E-1 E-17 E31 E-41 E35
9m-11,4  :E-9 E7 E-9 E-25 E-49 E-37 E-49 E-53 E-13
9m-11,4  :E-9 E7 E7 E-13 E-17 E-5 E-41 E-41 E27
9m-7 ,-2 :E-9 E-17 E19 E-5 E11 E-5 E-41 E-17 E-41
9m-7 ,-2 :E-9 E-17 E19 E-5 E11 E-5 E-41 E-17 E-33
9m-6 ,1  :E-9 E7 E7 E-13 E-13 E-33 E-9 E-5 E27
9m-6 ,9  :E-9 E7 E-5 E-29 E3 E-1 E23 E-1 E11
9m-5 ,3  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E11 E-13 E15 E15 E-21 E-57
9m-5 ,3  :E-9 E-1 E-17 E11 E-13 E15 E15 E-21 E-41
9m-4 ,-8 :E-9 E7 E-5 E-29 E3 E3 E-1 E3 E27
9m-4 ,-8 :E-9 E7 E-5 E-29 E3 E3 E-1 E3 E31
9m-4 ,18 :E-9 E-13 E-13 E-1 E-17 E7 E7 E-33 E-25
9m-3 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E-1 E11 E-17 E-5 E27
9m-3 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E-1 E11 E-17 E-5 E31
9m-3 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E-1 E11 E-17 E-5 E35
9m-3 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E-1 E11 E-17 E-5 E39
9m-3 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-5 E7 E-1 E11 E-17 E-5 E43
9m-3 ,23 :E-9 E-17 E-33 E15 E-1 E-5 E-45 E-5 E19
9m-3 ,23 :E-9 E-17 E-33 E15 E-1 E-5 E-45 E-5 E27
9m-1 ,10 :E-9 E7 E7 E-13 E-17 E-5 E-25 E-41 E27
9m1  ,-16:E-9 E-17 E-33 E15 E15 E23 E-29 E-5 E-17
9m1  ,-16:E-9 E-17 E-33 E15 E15 E23 E-29 E-5 E-9
9m2  ,-14:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E-49
9m2  ,-14:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E-53
9m2  ,-14:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E-57
9m2  ,30 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E35
9m2  ,30 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E39
9m2  ,30 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E31
9m2  ,30 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-13 E-17 E-41 E-65 E-33
9m2  ,30 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E-13 E-17 E-41 E-65 E-29
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-13 E43 E-25 E-33
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E7 E11 E-13 E-5 E43 E-29 E27
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-13 E43 E-25 E-25
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E-53
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E-61
9m4  ,-13:E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E43 E-57
9m4  ,31 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E27
9m4  ,31 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E31
9m4  ,31 :E-9 E7 E7 E-17 E11 E-5 E-65 E-45 E35
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E31 E23 E19 E67 E47 E35
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E31 E23 E19 E67 E47 E51
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E27 E63 E43 E47
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E27 E63 E43 E31
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E19 E35 E3 E39 E39
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E39 E59 E47 E47
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E19 E35 E3 E39 E59
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E19 E35 E3 E39 E47
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E51 E31 E39 E19
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E51 E31 E39 E31
9m5  ,12 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E51 E31 E39 E39
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E27 E43 E-25 E47
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E31 E23 E19 E47 E-25 E67
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E19 E35 E-25 E3 E43
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E31 E23 E19 E47 E-25 E51
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E51 E-25 E31 E19
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E27 E43 E-25 E63
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E39 E51 E-25 E31 E35
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E23 E47 E27 E43 E-25 E51
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E19 E35 E-25 E3 E59
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E47 E35 E71 E-25 E67
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E47 E35 E71 E-25 E59
9m6  ,14 :E-9 E-29 E39 E31 E23 E19 E47 E-25 E55
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-21 E3 E-5 E15 E3 E3
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E-21 E-41
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E-21 E-33
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E-5 E-5
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E-5 E-25
9m7  ,-8 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E-5 E-13
9m7  ,1  :E-9 E7 E-17 E-33 E11 E19 E3 E-5 E-13
9m7  ,1  :E-9 E7 E-17 E-33 E11 E19 E3 E-5 E-17
9m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-25 E-9 E19 E-41 E15
9m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-25 E-9 E19 E-41 E-1
9m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E19 E-9
9m8  ,-6 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E-5 E7 E-13 E19 E-25
9m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E47 E71 E-25 E-5 E63
9m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E47 E71 E-25 E-5 E59
9m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E43 E23 E-25 E-5 E63
9m8  ,15 :E-9 E-29 E39 E43 E43 E23 E-25 E-5 E55
9m10 ,-5 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E19 E3 E27 E39 E19
9m10 ,-5 :E-9 E-29 E-5 E-1 E19 E3 E27 E39 E15
9m10 ,7  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E-5 E-5 E-33 E-25 E-25
9m10 ,7  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E-5 E-5 E-33 E-25 E-33
9m10 ,7  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E-5 E-5 E-33 E-25 E-45
9m11 ,2  :E-9 E-1 E-1 E19 E-1 E-9 E-5 E23 E-61
9m13 ,9  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E-5 E11 E7 E-33 E-29
9m13 ,9  :E-9 E7 E11 E-29 E-5 E11 E7 E-33 E-45
9m13 ,26 :E-9 E-29 E-25 E-25 E-5 E-45 E-25 E11 E-9
9m21 ,12 :E-9 E7 E-21 E-13 E3 E3 E3 E27 E-1
9m28 ,-5 :E-9 E-1 E15 E-5 E-25 E19 E-5 E-21 E-13
9m28 ,-5 :E-9 E-1 E15 E-5 E-25 E19 E-5 E-21 E-17
9m28 ,-5 :E-9 E-1 E15 E-5 E-25 E19 E-5 E-21 E-1
9m31 ,18 :E-9 E-9 E19 E-9 E11 E-5 E7 E-9 E-9
9m31 ,18 :E-9 E-9 E19 E-9 E11 E-5 E7 E-9 E-5
9m31 ,18 :E-9 E-9 E19 E-9 E11 E-5 E7 E-29 E-1
9m31 ,18 :E-9 E-9 E19 E-9 E11 E-5 E7 E-29 E-9
The same filter could also be applied to the larger monochromatic-all collection posted in the same message. But I suppose NewGlue will be able to re-create all of these recipes in fairly short order.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 27th, 2015, 5:14 am

dvgrn wrote:I hadn't followed that line of thought far enough
Lets assume we want to get to speed m/n (where 4m < n) , this means our movement distance D = m * k and our period (the time between read1 and read2) P = n * k, where k is some positive large number. Now without any loss of generality, we can chose our k = 8l. so D = m * 8 * l and P = n * 8 * l. This means all our periods can be presumed dividable by 8, and all our movement distances as well.

Let me prove we can get as close to c/4 as needed.

As we know our SL movement done by converting SL->Glider and Glider->SL. All the conversions/glider reflections take constant time (the same goes for the helix), and we can remain in glider state as long as it's necessary. Glider moves with c/4 so in total if we move N ticks with speed c/4 and some C (which is constant) ticks we don't move, our average speed (which is the caterloopillar speed) would be c/4 * (N / (N + C)), because we can make N as large as needed we can get any speed lower than c/4.

Another nuance that is necessary to mention is that the distance between reading head and the next measuring from bottom of the first and top of the second can also remain constant (meaning our information in a way of SL and not glider remains SL for constant time).

In other words, Our step is the distance that SL travels by one "read" lets call it D. The time it took to move the SL is ~4D because most of the time it was glider. The next reading head will come shortly after the first finished, so the time between the reads (i.e. the period itself) is ~4D.
dvgrn wrote:the "40" constant for 512-spaced recipes
40 = 512 - 4 * 118. To get to zero point just use period 118 * 8. The zero point is very important place as we can't use any tricks regarding skips for movement purposes. c/8, c/16, c/24... etc are always zero points. Fortunately we don't need to use skips but only block movement recipes.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 27th, 2015, 8:32 am

MonochromaticP1 depth 12 finished with many new SLs and ~250K block movements.

Depth 12 monochromatic P1 WSS search had finished:

Two different but unfortunately same parity LWSS:

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HWSS started to appear (6 recipes) but no edge shooters, and MWSS has few variants of the same basic edge shooter, obviously having the same parity.

I think I'll switch to monochromatic p2 search. There should be much more than 800 block moves recipes for depth 9, I'm guessing that many of the recipes are not same parity gliders, but could be made with same parity as well.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » June 27th, 2015, 9:04 am

simsim314 wrote:I think I'll switch to monochromatic p2 search. There should be much more than 800 block moves recipes for depth 9, I'm guessing that many of the recipes are not same parity gliders, but could be made with same parity as well.
The 820 block moves I posted are all even-parity gliders, according to the "E" prefixes. Quite possibly the old P2 block-move list was from a highly constrained search with Paul Chapman's Glue2 -- lower population limits or bounding box than you're using now.

Of course it's not impossible that I made some other mistake along the way and filtered out too many recipes. I'll be interested to see how many more block moves you turn up; even at P2, the monochromatic restriction still lowers the branching factor pretty significantly.

No need for Schroedinger superimposed-state cleanups for this search, I suppose. That's a pity -- they were fun while they lasted.
simsim314 wrote:40 = 512 - 4 * 118. To get to zero point just use period 118 * 8. The zero point is very important place as we can't use any tricks regarding skips for movement purposes. c/8, c/16, c/24... etc are always zero points. Fortunately we don't need to use skips but only block movement recipes.
Got it -- thanks. I knew something strange was going on there. It was mostly Doppler-effect confusion on my part.

Here's a minor caveat, though. At a zero point, there are a lot fewer adjustment options, but skipping helix cycles can still cause location changes.

Example: you mentioned period 118*8 = 944. This translates into a 590-cell spacing of the read heads -- period 944 = 2*590 - 2*118 due to the Doppler effect... the upship *WSS spacing is then 354 cells, since 944 = 2*354 + 2*118.

At this period, skipping one helix cycle produces an offset of -118 relative to no-skip, and skipping two cycles changes the location by -236 (or +118); you have to skip three cycles to see the zero point. So even at c/8N periods, you still have to worry a little bit about which cycle the trigger glider comes from.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 27th, 2015, 10:00 am

Yes you right there is no such thing as absolute Zero point, only close to it (due to Doppler effect).

Here are 1043 block moves recipes from depth 8 monochromatic p2 search (I didn't post the full report yet).

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EDIT From what I've seen thus far I guess the *WSS search will need to work with something faster. If not GPU then at least LifeAPI. I could devise even and odd recipes using my 3SL search results, but I do agree that 3SL construction is tedious and pointlessly lengthy, it would be much simpler and elegant to rewrite my Glue python script, to work with LifeAPI.

EDIT2 Depth 9 monochromatic p2 gave 1861 unique locations (attached).

I've also committed mono. p2 search result to the repository.
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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 27th, 2015, 4:24 pm

Fully adjustable with self destruct even step back spine (20 *WSS):

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x = 195, y = 1141, rule = LifeHistory
36.C.C$39.C$39.C$39.C$36.C2.C$37.3C15$31.C.C$34.C$30.C3.C$30.C3.C$34.
C$31.C2.C$32.3C184$115.C.C$114.C$114.C$114.C2.C$114.3C24$105.C.C$104.
C$104.C3.C$104.C3.C$104.C$104.C2.C$104.3C23$103.C.C$106.C$102.C3.C$
102.C3.C$106.C$103.C2.C$104.3C5$89.2C$88.3C$88.3C$88.3C$88.2C.C$89.3C
$90.C76$74.2C$73.3C$73.2C.C$74.3C$75.C76$31.C.C$30.C$30.C3.C$30.C3.C$
30.C$30.C2.C$30.3C55$41.2C$41.3C$41.3C$40.C.2C$40.3C$41.C7$20.C.C$19.
C$19.C3.C$19.C$19.C2.C$19.3C31$.C.C$C$C$C2.C$3C50$10.C.C$9.C$9.C3.C$
9.C$9.C2.C$9.3C70$39.C.C$38.C$38.C3.C$38.C3.C$38.C$38.C2.C$38.3C50$
26.2C$25.C2.C$25.C.C$26.C28$73.C.C$72.C$72.C3.C$72.C3.C$72.C$72.C2.C$
72.3C10$192.2C$191.3C$191.3C$191.2C.C$192.3C$193.C47$88.C.C$87.C$87.C
3.C$87.C3.C$87.C$87.C2.C$87.3C62$103.C.C$102.C$102.C3.C$102.C3.C$102.
C$102.C2.C$102.3C48$128.C.C$127.C$127.C$127.C2.C$127.3C10$134.C.C$
137.C$133.C3.C$137.C$134.C2.C$135.3C156$187.C.C$186.C$186.C3.C$186.C$
186.C2.C$186.3C2$192.C$191.C.C$191.C.C$192.C!

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 28th, 2015, 4:00 pm

To finish the adjustable front/back issue, here is a script that automatically adjusts the step from user input, for backward and forward *WSS spines:

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import golly as g 

def MakeBackwardSalvo(distance):
	
	backHelixSL = g.parse("bo$obo$obo$bo!", 191, 1137)
	backHelixSL2GliderWSS = g.parse("bobo$o$o3bo$o$o2bo$3o!", 186, 1130)
	backHelixReflect = g.parse("bobo$o$o$o2bo$3o10$7bobo$10bo$6bo3bo$10bo$7bo2bo$8b3o!", 127, 955)
	backHelixGlider2SL = g.parse("b2o$3o$3o$2obo$b3o$2bo!", 191, 781)

	backErasingReflectorWSS = g.parse("bobo$o$o3bo$o3bo$o$o2bo$3o62$16bobo$15bo$15bo3bo$15bo3bo$15bo$15bo2bo$15b3o!", 87, 833)
	backSL = g.parse("b2o$o2bo$obo$bo!", 25, 734)
	backFrontPart = g.parse("74b2o$73b3o$73b2obo$74b3o$75bo76$31bobo$30bo$30bo3bo$30bo3bo$30bo$30bo2bo$30b3o55$41b2o$41b3o$41b3o$40bob2o$40b3o$41bo7$20bobo$19bo$19bo3bo$19bo$19bo2bo$19b3o31$bobo$o$o$o2bo$3o50$10bobo$9bo$9bo3bo$9bo$9bo2bo$9b3o70$39bobo$38bo$38bo3bo$38bo3bo$38bo$38bo2bo$38b3o81$73bobo$72bo$72bo3bo$72bo3bo$72bo$72bo2bo$72b3o!", 0, 360)
	backReflectingPart = g.parse("27bobo$26bo$26bo$26bo2bo$26b3o24$17bobo$16bo$16bo3bo$16bo3bo$16bo$16bo2bo$16b3o23$15bobo$18bo$14bo3bo$14bo3bo$18bo$15bo2bo$16b3o5$b2o$3o$3o$3o$2obo$b3o$2bo!", 88, 210)
	backBackPart = g.parse("6bobo$9bo$9bo$9bo$6bo2bo$7b3o15$bobo$4bo$o3bo$o3bo$4bo$bo2bo$2b3o!", 30, 0)
	
	d = (distance - 118) / 2
	g.putcells(backHelixSL, d, d * 3)
	g.putcells(backHelixSL2GliderWSS, d, d * 3)
	g.putcells(backHelixReflect)
	g.putcells(backHelixGlider2SL, d, -d * 3)
	g.putcells(backErasingReflectorWSS)
	g.putcells(backSL, -d, -d)
	g.putcells(backFrontPart, -d, -d)
	g.putcells(backReflectingPart, 0, -4 * d)
	g.putcells(backBackPart, -d, -d * 7)

def MakeForwardSalvo(distance):
	frontHelixSL = g.parse("6bo$5bobo$5bobo$6bo2$b2o7b2o$o2bo5bo2bo$b2o7b2o2$6bo$5bobo$5bobo$6bo!", 0, 0)
	frontHelixSL2GliderWSS = g.parse("3o$o2bo$o$o3bo$o$bobo!", 9, 15)
	frontHelixReflect = g.parse("2b3o$bo2bo$4bo$o3bo$4bo$bobo8$9b3o$8bo2bo$11bo$7bo3bo$7bo3bo$11bo$8bobo!", 61, 60)
	frontHelixGlider2SL = g.parse("2bo$b3o$2obo$3o$3o$b2o!", 4, 126)

	frontErasingReflectorWSS = g.parse("2bo$b3o$2obo$3o$3o$3o$b2o59$14bo$13b3o$12b2obo$12b3o$12b3o$12b3o$13b2o!", 91, 93)
	frontSL = g.parse("bo$obo$o2bo$b2o!", 145, 194)
	frontFrontPart = g.parse("25bo$24b3o$23b2obo$23b3o$23b3o$24b2o68$37bo$36b3o$36bob2o$37b3o$37b3o$37b3o$37b2o8$3o$o2bo$o$o3bo$o$bobo39$24bo$23b3o$23bob2o$24b3o$4b3o17b3o$3bo2bo17b3o$6bo17b2o$2bo3bo$2bo3bo$6bo$3bobo!", 139, 264)
	frontReflectingPart = g.parse("7bo$6b3o$5b2obo$5b3o$5b3o$5b3o12bo$6b2o11b3o$18b2obo$18b3o$19b2o14$2bo$b3o$2obo$3o$3o$b2o!", 82, 460)
	frontBackPart = g.parse("11b3o$11bo2bo$11bo$11bo3bo$11bo$12bobo4$3o$o2bo$o$o3bo$o3bo$o$bobo!", 145, 542)
	frontErasingReflector = g.parse("bo$3o$ob2o$b3o$b2o!", 122, 488)

	d = (distance - 118) / 2
	d_3 = int(d / 3)

	g.putcells(frontHelixSL, -d, -d)
	g.putcells(frontHelixSL2GliderWSS, -d, -d)
	g.putcells(frontHelixReflect)
	g.putcells(frontHelixGlider2SL, -d, d)
	g.putcells(frontErasingReflectorWSS)

	g.putcells(frontSL, d, d)
	g.putcells(frontFrontPart, d, d)
	g.putcells(frontReflectingPart, 0, 2 * d)
	g.putcells(frontBackPart, d, 3 * d)
	g.putcells(frontErasingReflector, d - d_3, d + 3 * d_3)
	
operation = g.getstring("Enter even step size: \n F100 - 100 forarward \n B100 - 100 backward", "F100")

salvoType = ""

if operation[0] == 'B' or operation[0] == 'b':
	salvoType = "backward"
	try:
		step = int(operation.replace("B", "").replace("b", ""))
	except:
		g.exit("step must be integer")
	
if operation[0] == 'F' or operation[0] == 'f':
	salvoType = "forward"
	try:
		step = int(operation.replace("F", "").replace("f", ""))
	except:
		g.exit("step must be integer")

if salvoType == "":
	g.exit("Couldn't recogine command")
	
if step % 2 != 0:
	g.exit("Step must be even number")

if salvoType == "forward":
	g.new(operation)
	MakeForwardSalvo(step)
else:
	g.new(operation)
	MakeBackwardSalvo(step)

g.fit()
	

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » June 28th, 2015, 10:26 pm

simsim314 wrote:To finish the adjustable front/back issue, here is a script that automatically adjusts the step from user input, for backward and forward *WSS spines...
Looks good! I did a little testing and didn't find anything wrong, except maybe that the script will cheerfully build impossibly short-step spines. Thanks to the new rather slow *WSS+G -> block+G, it doesn't look like any steps shorter than B96 will work. Forward spines could be tightened up a good bit more -- F72 works, but F70 doesn't.

In the script, the default step is 100. Are there subtle limitations that mean that the minimum step should really be 98 or 100, not 96?

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 28th, 2015, 11:48 pm

dvgrn wrote:In the script, the default step is 100. Are there subtle limitations that mean that the minimum step should really be 98 or 100, not 96?
I chose default to clarify the usage (the first time the user run the script as is, and see it working - this makes his life so much easier). I just made sure 100 is working, and it was chosen because it's round number. I was mainly concentrating for large numbers to work.

I'm surprised the minimal back step is so high. I really have issues with the back design, it's somewhat awkward, but nevertheless working. I think some tweaking should make it possible to reduce both spines to ~15 in optimal case after a lot of effort.

I don't have any theory on how to optimize the self destruct, I used pure greedy algorithm (each block will erase maximum it can). For the back spine, the self destruct is 1 to 1 (each *WSS has another *WSS to delete it).

It would be nice to modify the script to make *WSS salvo by input period. Anyway for now I'm switching to write slow salvo LifeAPI *WSS search.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » June 29th, 2015, 1:16 pm

I've stopped MonochromaticP2 searches as finishing depth 10 took 2G memory and with factor of 4 my RAM will be overflowed.

Check out the depth 10 results from the search.


EDIT The full SL collection of depth 10. A bit surprising, and unfortunately not full eater collection - only 7/8:
x = 526, y = 110, rule = B3/S23
bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo20b2o15bo20b2o19bo19b2o21bo
19bo17b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o22b2o20b2o24b2o15b2o9b2o$2o18bobo17bobo17bobo
17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo18bo2bo13bobo18bobo18bobo18b
obo18b3o19bo16bobo17bobo17bobo17bob3o19bo2bo19bo25b2o15b2o10bo$2o18b2o
18bobo17bobo17bobo17bo2bo16bo2bo16bo2bo15bobo17bobo17bobo19bo2bo14bo
19b2o20b2o19bobo16bo22bo16b2o18bo19bo19bo4bo18bo2bo20b3o20b2o28bo$o38b
2ob2o17bo19bo19b2obo16b2o18bobo16bo18b2o17bobo21b2o33b2o24b2o18b2o16b
2o59bo19b4o16b3obo16b2ob2o24bo19b2o28b2o$58b3o42bobo36bo56bo56bobo24bo
bo95b2o23bo17b2o16bo2bo25b2o$58bo44bo2bo149b2o26bo119bobo35bo2bo$104b
2o298b2o37b2o8$105bo150b2o144b2o18b2o19b2o23b2o$42bo61bobo35bo56bo56bo
bo121b2o19bo2bo16bo2bo17bo2bo22bobo$o39b3o60bo2bo15bo18bobo16bo19bo17b
obo56b2o64b2o56bo19b2obo16b2obo17bo2bo24bo21b2o$2o19bo17bo41b2o19bob2o
15bobo16bo2bo15bobo17bobo17bobo57b2o61bobo36b2o17bo23bob2o14bob2o17b2o
b2o22bobo19b2o$2o18bobo17b3o37bo2bo17bobo16bo2bo16bobo17bobo17bobo17bo
bo56bobo60bo20b3o15bobo16bobo21bo2bo14bo2bo19bo2bo22b2o21b2o$bo19b2o
19bo38b2o17bo2bo17b2o18bo19bo19b2o18bo58b2o59b2o39b2o17b2o22b2o16b2o
20bo2bo45b2o$101b2o343b2o74bob2o$522b2obo9$b3o17b2o16bo64b2o15b2o19b2o
37b2o139b2o$3o17bobo16b3o61bo2bo13bo2bo17bo2bo35bobo139bo$21bo20bo60bo
bo14bobo17bo2bo35bobo138bobo$39b3o59b2obo16bo19b2o37bo139b2o$39bo60bo
2bo$100bobo$101bo10$121b2o18b2o36b2o$3o17b2o98bo2bo16bo2bo35bobo$b3o
16bobo98bobo17bo2bo35bobo$21bo100bo19b2o37bo$101b2o217b2o$100bo2bo216b
o$101bobo217b3o$102bob2o217bo$103bo2bo$104bobo$105bo10$322b2o$323bo$
320b3o$320bo17$320b2o$320bobo$322bo$322b2o17$320b2o$321bo$321bobo$322b
2o!

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » July 1st, 2015, 9:22 am

simsim314 wrote:EDIT The full SL collection of depth 10. A bit surprising, and unfortunately not full eater collection - only 7/8...
Luckily eaters are a lot more useful for Herschel conduits than for engineless Caterpillars. They aren't high on the list of components for 3SL *WSS seeds -- though quite possibly including them would add enough new search space that a 2SL *WSS seed might show up.

Anyway, there's an integral with the missing orientation. In Spartan circuitry it's very often possible to substitute an integral for a standard eater, if it's eating a glider... or substitute a hat if the tail end is being used as a rock -- that orientation of hat also happens to be available.

However, if P2-even slow salvos were going to be used to construct Spartan circuitry, it would be necessary to search a few levels deeper anyway. Not surprisingly, the integral recipes are all variants of each other, and so none of them are really edgy enough to make incremental constructions possible -- or at least not without serious difficulties.

Could maybe do a 2SL *WSS-seed search, stringing together pairs of these P2-even recipes, but only where they actually fit one after the other... but probably the direct LifeAPI search will produce good results just as fast.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 1st, 2015, 12:13 pm

dvgrn wrote:Could maybe do a 2SL *WSS-seed search, stringing together pairs of these P2-even recipes, but only where they actually fit one after the other... but probably the direct LifeAPI search will produce good results just as fast.
Well writing LifeAPI for 2SL search should be simpler than Glue, but anyway I'm close to finish the Glue. And probably depth 14-15 would be enough for direct Glue, while two SL recipe will cost 20+.

It's interesting to see what SLs can come directly into the "slow salvo basic kit" (talking of conduits). Probably deeper search will yield some new basic components. All the most common SLs with new eating properties like: hat, shillelagh, snake etc. will probably appear with depth 12 in all orientations. Even deeper searches, because of statistical explosion will come up with many more SLs. I'm guessing eater2 is not on that list, but maybe eater2 will be reached with 2 SL search.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 1st, 2015, 7:05 pm

I've added Glue++ (glue on c++ using LifeAPI), to the Glue repository.

It uses OpenMP for parallel threading (comes with gcc and most modern compilers - but you need to add flag -fopenmp).

There is some memory issue that causes the application to take too much memory for some reason. I seem to clean everything correctly and the recipes are kept in a tree with optimized format for memory. So depth 11 was the limit at my machine.

The results are reported in the same library as the exe, and got a lot of false positives. But the report shouldn't miss *WSS if it appeared, so cleaning the results with python script is necessary.

The last layer reported 14K results (with a lot of junk).

It looks like the memory leak fix is crucial to get enough results.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 2nd, 2015, 6:27 pm

I've improved the Glue++ by order of magnitude in speed and memory.

Here are some tricks I used:

In target search one should prefer shuffled data, instead of one next to other cell. The shuffled data cleaned much quicker statistically speaking (there are much more neighboring ON cells than two ON cells with some (dx, dy)).

The TargetLocator could be cheated by some random "*WSS like" pattern that appeared quickly and disappeared again. Making extra check after 4 generation makes the chances much lower for false positives.

Having tree of glider locations can be unpredictable, so storing the tree inside flat vector makes it much more controllable.

This one is dvgrn inspired trick: I clean the hash table of existing pattern when it gets too large. This will cause some of the patterns to repeat, but saves memory and time (from some point the request for the hash table becomes the most intensive operation). I've picked the value to be large enough so the quality will not deteriorate quickly.

Another trick is to limit the population. This is both quality and performance improvement. The more messy the pattern is the less chances edgy *WSS will come out of it, and the less chances it will repeat again so hashing it is useless. So limiting the population will allow to save on memory and improves quality.

Now after those introductions, what previously took about 5 hours and took 2G is now taking half hour and takes 100M, reporting better quality results.

NOTE Memory is still major limitation, as I didn't implemented other dvgrn's trick to search with higher depths, inside some high quality results of lower depth.
---

Switching to python parser now.

EDIT I've introduced few key features:

1. Save and load the data of each search depth. Now other slow salvo searches are possible using the same search tree just by loading the tree.

2. Every 500 results are reported, so even if something went wrong, the last run results will be available.

3. The most important is the option to search for edge shooters but without updating the search tree, thus getting one search depth deeper without paying any price for it. Similar to dvgrn's proposal to search inside limited depth, only with depth = 1.

As the memory playing less of an issue, the run time starts to play. Hopefully finding all the edge shooters in the scope of the run.

-My calculations show that finding all options for HWSS will take 4 days of run. Also maybe working with LWSS and MWSS and with what was found from the HWSS will be good enough.
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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 4th, 2015, 5:44 am

Some initial results (after day of run):

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x = 28436, y = 115128, rule = LifeHistory
233.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C
998.2C998.2C998.2C$233.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C
998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C998.2C95$333.3C1997.3C997.3C1997.3C997.
3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C$333.C1999.C999.C1999.C
999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C$334.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C
999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C2$3.2C.C.2C.C$3.C.2C.C.2C2$2C11.2C
$C12.C$.C12.C$2C11.2C1318.3C2997.3C$1333.C2999.C$2C11.2C1319.C2999.C$
C12.C$.C12.C$2C11.2C5$2C11.2C$C12.C$.C12.C$2C11.2C2$2C11.2C$C12.C$.C
12.C$2C11.2C2$3.2C.C.2C.C$3.C.2C.C.2C61$11433.3C$11433.C$11434.C4$
12433.3C$12433.C$12434.C4$9433.3C$9433.C$433.3C1997.3C997.3C1997.3C
997.3C997.3C997.3C998.C998.3C2997.3C$433.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C
999.C1999.C2999.C$434.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C2999.C2$
1433.3C2997.3C$1433.C2999.C$1434.C2999.C84$11533.3C$11533.C$11534.C
998.3C$12533.C$12534.C6$1533.3C2997.3C8997.3C$1533.C2999.C8999.C$
1534.C2999.C8999.C2$533.3C1997.3C997.3C1997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C1997.
3C$533.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C$534.C1999.C999.C1999.C
999.C999.C999.C1999.C2$9533.3C$9533.C$9534.C66$9633.3C$9633.C$9634.C
12$13633.3C$13633.C$13634.C4$11633.3C$11633.C$11634.C2$12633.3C$
12633.C$1633.3C2997.3C7998.C$1633.C2999.C$633.3C998.C998.3C997.3C998.
C998.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C1997.3C$633.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.
C1999.C$634.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C82$13733.3C$13733.
C$13734.C4$1733.3C2997.3C$1733.C2999.C$1734.C2999.C4998.3C1997.3C$
9733.C1999.C$9734.C1999.C2$733.3C1997.3C997.3C1997.3C997.3C997.3C997.
3C1997.3C1997.3C$733.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C1999.C$
734.C1999.C999.C1999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C1999.C88$13833.3C$13833.C$
13834.C2$833.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C997.3C1997.
3C1997.3C$833.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C1999.C$
834.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C999.C1999.C1999.C4$11833.3C$
11833.C$11834.C4$9833.3C$9833.C$9834.C74$13933.3C$13933.C$2933.3C
3997.3C6998.C$2933.C3999.C$2934.C3999.C4$1933.3C2997.3C$1933.C2999.C$
933.3C998.C1998.3C998.C998.3C1997.3C997.3C1997.3C$933.C2999.C1999.C
1999.C999.C1999.C$934.C2999.C1999.C1999.C999.C1999.C4$11933.3C997.3C$
11933.C999.C$11934.C999.C2$9933.3C$9933.C$9934.C78$14033.3C$14033.C$
14034.C6$13033.3C$13033.C$3033.3C3997.3C4997.3C998.C$3033.C3999.C
4999.C$3034.C3999.C4999.C2$10033.3C$10033.C$10034.C2$4033.3C3997.3C
997.3C$4033.C3999.C999.C$4034.C3999.C999.C2$1033.3C997.3C2997.3C997.
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-4,2,6,6,2,-4,-14,-6,2,-2,2,6,
-4,2,6,6,2,-4,-6,2,0,4,2,6,
-4,2,6,6,2,-4,-6,2,0,8,2,6,
-4,0,10,-22,-2,8,4,-2,-4,2,8,0,
-4,2,6,6,2,-4,-6,6,2,6,
-4,-12,-8,-2,-2,2,0,-6,-26,-16,-14,4,
-4,-6,-6,2,2,-4,0,-8,-10,2,-2,2,
-4,2,2,-8,-10,-8,-16,-16,-20,-6,2,-10,
---------------
-4,-4,10,12,-4,-10,-8,-4,-18,-6,-10,
6,6,10,12,12,20,14,4,-12,-16,-14,4,
-4,-4,10,12,-10,-10,-4,-8,-4,-18,-6,-10,
-4,-4,-2,12,-6,-8,-4,-8,-8,-10,-8,6,
-4,-6,-8,-18,-6,-4,28,6,8,0,16,-6,
-4,0,8,-6,-22,-8,10,-14,-6,-6,-18,-14,
-4,-4,10,12,-10,6,0,10,-6,-8,-14,-16,
-4,0,-8,-4,8,-2,6,0,-4,0,6,6,
6,-2,0,-20,-12,6,-12,-2,-14,-6,0,14,
---------------
-4,-4,10,-6,-14,4,-2,16,20,16,34,
-4,0,-12,-8,8,12,12,12,-6,14,-16,
-4,-4,8,2,12,6,-8,22,14,-4,28,10,
-4,0,-8,-2,-8,8,14,12,12,-18,-10,2,
---------------
-4,-4,-2,4,0,8,8,4,-8,-14,-8,
-4,-4,-8,-12,-10,4,6,10,8,-6,-6,
-4,-4,-2,4,0,8,8,4,-8,-14,-8,
---------------
6,6,2,-6,-6,-18,-20,4,-2,6,0,
6,6,2,-6,-6,-18,-20,4,-2,6,-20,0,
6,6,2,-6,-6,-18,-20,4,-2,6,-18,0,
-4,-4,-6,-2,4,-6,12,12,14,10,18,20,
-4,-6,6,0,-8,-18,8,10,-2,-6,8,2,
-4,-14,-2,0,-12,-10,20,16,10,18,-4,10,
---------------
-4,-12,-4,6,-12,-8,-2,16,16,0,
-4,4,-10,-8,0,-6,-8,-20,-6,10,
-4,-6,6,-8,-6,-10,2,-4,-8,-26,6,
-4,4,-10,-8,0,-6,-8,-20,-6,10,
-4,-4,10,2,4,-8,-18,0,14,8,8,
-4,-12,-4,6,-12,-8,-2,16,16,0,
-4,0,6,8,-2,-4,-16,-8,-12,0,-18,
-4,-12,-4,6,-12,-8,-2,16,16,0,
-4,4,-10,-8,0,-6,-8,-20,-6,10,
-4,-4,-4,12,10,12,-4,6,10,18,14,-6,
---------------
-4,-4,-8,-20,-20,10,12,-2,12,-2,
-4,-4,-8,-20,-20,10,12,-2,12,-26,-2,
-4,-4,-8,-20,-20,10,12,-2,12,-2,
-4,-4,2,12,-6,-6,0,2,6,8,-4,
-4,-4,-8,-20,-20,-26,10,12,-2,12,-2,
-4,-4,10,-8,-20,12,-2,-20,12,-2,
-4,-4,-8,-20,-20,10,12,-2,12,-26,-2,
-4,-4,2,12,-6,-26,-6,0,2,6,8,-4,
-4,-4,2,12,-6,-22,-6,0,2,6,8,-4,
-4,0,8,-2,-10,-14,-18,-18,4,4,12,-8,
-4,0,8,-6,-12,-14,-6,0,6,2,6,2,
-4,0,8,-6,-12,-14,-4,0,6,2,6,2,
-4,-12,-8,2,6,-12,-24,-12,16,14,12,-6,
-4,-14,10,10,8,6,12,10,14,14,8,20,
-4,-4,10,-8,-20,12,-2,-20,-26,12,-2,
-4,-4,2,12,-6,-18,-6,0,2,6,8,-4,
---------------
-4,-6,6,0,-8,-16,-4,24,20,14,0,
-4,-4,10,0,-8,10,-12,-4,-14,24,4,
-4,-4,10,0,-8,10,-12,-4,-14,24,4,
-4,0,2,6,2,12,10,-8,-20,4,-4,-4,
6,6,6,-8,2,-6,-2,16,8,12,22,20,
-4,0,10,-2,16,-12,16,10,18,12,12,-14,
-4,0,10,-2,16,16,10,18,12,12,-12,-14,
-4,0,8,8,-6,14,22,12,6,-10,-2,14,
---------------
6,6,6,-6,-10,-6,-10,4,4,-4,-6,
6,6,14,6,4,-4,0,-2,-10,10,-6,
-4,0,8,6,8,-2,6,-12,-10,-6,-8,
6,6,6,-2,-6,0,4,8,-4,2,-6,
6,6,6,0,8,-10,0,-6,-2,6,-4,-6,
6,6,-2,-4,10,14,16,12,4,12,2,-6,
6,6,-2,-4,10,14,16,12,4,16,2,-6,
6,6,-2,-4,10,14,16,12,6,2,2,-6,
6,6,14,2,-4,6,8,8,14,-2,4,-6,
6,6,6,-8,-10,-18,-6,4,-18,-16,-4,-6,
-4,0,8,6,8,-2,6,-16,-14,-10,-6,-8,
-4,0,8,6,8,-2,6,-12,-10,-6,14,-8,
-4,0,8,6,8,-2,6,-12,-10,-6,16,-8,
-4,0,8,6,8,-2,6,-12,-10,-6,20,-8,
6,6,-2,14,8,-4,4,-2,0,10,6,-6,
6,6,14,2,-4,12,6,18,14,14,-2,-6,
6,6,14,2,-4,12,6,18,14,16,-2,-6,
6,6,14,2,-4,12,18,16,18,20,2,-6,
6,6,6,-6,-10,-6,-10,4,4,-4,-6,
6,6,6,-2,-6,0,4,8,-4,2,6,-6,
6,6,6,-2,-6,0,4,8,-4,2,10,-6,
6,6,6,-2,-6,0,4,8,-4,2,12,-6,
6,6,6,-2,-6,0,4,8,-4,2,14,-6,
6,6,6,4,-10,-8,-12,-6,-2,6,-4,-6,
6,6,14,6,4,-4,0,-8,-10,6,10,-6,
6,6,14,6,4,-4,0,-8,-10,8,10,-6,
6,6,14,6,4,-4,0,-2,-10,10,10,-6,
6,6,6,-6,2,2,2,-14,0,-4,2,-6,
---------------
-4,-4,-8,-4,4,8,0,-8,-2,-16,-20,-22,
---------------
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-12,0,
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-10,0,
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-12,-10,0,
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-12,-8,0,
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-12,-4,0,
-4,-6,6,-8,-18,-10,-18,-20,-14,-10,-6,0,
---------------
-4,-4,8,-6,10,6,16,14,14,-8,
-4,-4,8,10,6,16,14,14,-6,-8,
-4,-4,8,10,6,16,20,14,-6,22,-8,
-4,-4,8,-6,10,6,16,20,14,22,-8,
-4,-4,8,10,6,16,14,14,-6,-8,
-4,-4,8,-6,10,6,16,14,14,-8,
-4,0,10,-2,-22,2,4,-2,-2,-22,14,4,
6,-4,-4,-4,-6,8,10,6,16,14,14,-8,
-4,0,10,-2,-22,-22,2,4,-2,-2,14,4,
-4,4,-10,6,10,-16,-12,-24,-4,-8,-6,-26,
-4,-4,8,10,6,16,20,14,-6,22,-8,
-4,-6,-6,-4,-4,-6,8,6,-4,-2,0,6,
---------------
6,6,10,12,2,-10,-6,2,0,-4,0,10,
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-4,-14,10,10,14,6,4,-2,-10,-4,12,14,
-4,-12,-4,6,22,-6,12,-4,16,0,10,4,
-4,0,-4,-6,-14,-16,-2,14,4,10,16,14,
-4,4,-2,-8,2,6,0,-8,-8,-8,6,-16,
---------------
-4,4,-10,-8,-18,-18,-12,-26,0,-2,-22,-8,
---------------
---------------
---------------
-4,0,2,6,-2,-4,-6,-6,6,-8,14,
-4,0,2,6,-2,-4,-6,-6,6,-8,14,
-4,-4,-8,-12,-8,4,-18,0,0,-12,-20,10,
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-4,-4,-4,4,10,10,2,12,12,4,6,14,
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LWSS kit complete.
MWSS kit is half the way (actually more like 25%).
HWSS kit is about 10%

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I'm running now the last layer of depth 12, without saving the recipe tree (as previous depth took 1.2G RAM with branching factor of 6.7 and only 8G this will suffocate my machine). Now on 20% hopefully after another 2.5 days of run we will get most of the kits.

EDIT Notice not all of them are valid edge shooters, only a large potion. Some of the options posted are invalid. I've used python script to parse and filter the edge shooters. Those are just the results, they have a bit of junk.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 4th, 2015, 7:34 pm

HWSS-less SL->Glider converters (3-4 SLs).

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x = 339, y = 266, rule = LifeHistory
130.2C$129.3C$129.2C.C$130.3C$131.C30$138.2C$137.3C$137.2C.C$138.3C$
139.C6$157.C.C$160.C$156.C3.C$160.C$157.C2.C$158.3C8$154.C.C$157.C$
157.C$149.2C3.C2.C$148.C.C4.3C$150.C121$216.C.C$219.C$215.C3.C$219.C$
216.C2.C$217.3C23$222.C.C$225.C$225.C$222.C2.C$139.2C82.3C82.2C$139.
3C165.3C$138.C.2C165.2C.C$138.3C167.3C$139.C169.C14$75.2C$75.3C$74.C.
2C$74.3C$75.C2$.2C$.3C$C.2C$3C$.C2$59.C.C$58.C58.C.C$58.C57.C$58.C2.C
54.C$58.3C55.C2.C196.2C$116.3C112.2C82.3C$4.C.C223.3C82.2C.C$3.C226.
2C.C82.3C$3.C227.3C83.C$3.C2.C225.C$3.3C$18.C.C$13.2C6.C53.C.C$12.C2.
C.C3.C48.2C6.C54.C.C$13.C.C5.C47.C2.C.C3.C49.2C6.C198.C.C$14.C3.C2.C
48.C.C5.C48.C2.C.C3.C113.C.C77.2C6.C$19.3C49.C3.C2.C49.C.C5.C108.2C6.
C75.C2.C.C3.C$76.3C50.C3.C2.C107.C2.C.C3.C76.C.C5.C$134.3C108.C.C5.C
77.C3.C2.C$246.C3.C2.C82.3C$251.3C!
EDIT Full HWSS-less back reader:

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x = 241, y = 637, rule = LifeHistory
53$41.2C$40.3C$40.2C.C$41.3C$42.C253$141.C.C$144.C$144.C$141.C2.C$
142.3C11$106.2C$105.3C$105.2C.C$106.3C$107.C14$114.C.C$117.C$117.C$
114.C2.C$115.3C139$73.C.C$72.C$72.C3.C$72.C$72.C2.C$72.3C23$67.C.C$
66.C$66.C$66.C2.C$66.3C35$59.2C$59.3C$58.C.2C$58.3C$59.C6$39.C.C$38.C
6.2C$38.C3.C.C2.C$38.C5.C.C$38.C2.C3.C$38.3C!

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 6th, 2015, 3:18 pm

Attached are the results from depth 12 run:

LWSS full kit.
MWSS 6/8 are valid (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14).
HWSS 2/8 are valid (18, 19)

Another fuller run will finish in about two weeks - meanwhile there is a lot of motivation to find HWSS-less and LWSS emphasized recipes.For now it seems that LWSS + minimal number of MWSS should cost the same, and do the same job. There might be some "bottleneck" I currently miss (especially in the self destruct arena).
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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 9th, 2015, 5:52 pm

80% of Depth = 13 run, I think I'll not wait until the end, as it has most of what's needed - and the rest if required should be achieve with the timing adjustment trick.

LWSS: Full kit
MWSS: Full kit
HWSS: 5/8 (6/8 for most practical purposes)

16: Works only if the HWSS has it's own lane.
17: Valid
18: Valid
19: Valid
20: Missing
21: Valid
22: Missing
23: Valid
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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by dvgrn » July 9th, 2015, 10:14 pm

simsim314 wrote:80% of Depth = 13 run, I think I'll not wait until the end, as it has most of what's needed - and the rest if required should be achieve with the timing adjustment trick.
Very nice collection! It would be nice to have all the HWSS timings, of course, but these recipes are all a very big improvement in efficiency over 3SL constructions -- might as well use some of the savings on timing-adjustment recipes, and get a complete toolkit that way.

Are you looking again at positive and negative even-step adjustable helices, that maybe aren't so heavy on HWSSes?

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 10th, 2015, 6:48 am

dvgrn wrote:Are you looking again at positive and negative even-step adjustable helices, that maybe aren't so heavy on HWSSes?
Probably will. It's not such a problem to use HWSS as to use all HWSS states, and this is only due to heavy use of HWSS. Considering the fact I can choose at what relative step the down and up streams are, there is a lot of flexibility as long as HWSS are at least in 4/8 states. It's also worth mentioning that two HWSS in the same internal state is not an issue at all.

EDIT There is obvious reason to use more LWSS and less HWSS as the LWSS recipes are shorter and cleaner, meaning X1.5-X2 cost factor. Saying that 2 LWSS will cost probably more due to block movement involved as well. Anyway many of the recipes used HWSS assuming nothing wrong with them, sometimes even when LWSS could come instead. So yes replacing the recipes is a small holdback but worth it.

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 10th, 2015, 2:25 pm

After totally HWSS-less 8 *WSS back reader, here is 9 *WSS single HWSS forward reader:

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x = 141, y = 266, rule = LifeHistory
19$62.3A$57.C3.A2.A$56.C.C5.A$55.C2.C.A3.A$56.2C6.A$61.A.A8$44.3A$44.
A2.A$44.A$44.A$45.A.A17$39.A$38.3A$38.A.2A$39.3A$39.2A6$67.A$66.3A$
66.A.2A$67.3A$67.2A60$108.A$107.3A$106.2A.A$106.3A$106.3A$107.2A2$96.
3A$96.A2.A$96.A$96.A3.A$96.A$97.A.A12$91.3A$90.A2.A$93.A$89.A3.A$93.A
$90.A.A63$45.3A$45.A2.A$45.A$45.A3.A$45.A$46.A.A4$56.3A$56.A2.A$56.A$
56.A3.A$56.A3.A$56.A$57.A.A!
EDIT Glider + MWSS/LWSS options for self distruct:

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x = 336, y = 627, rule = LifeHistory
168.C.C$167.C$167.C3.C$167.C$167.C2.C$167.3C$159.C$C156.C.C$.2C155.2C
$2C2$317.C$318.2C$317.2C9$9.3C$9.C2.C$9.C$9.C$10.C.C9$169.C.C$168.C$
168.C3.C$168.C$168.C2.C$168.3C2$326.3C$326.C2.C$326.C$326.C3.C$326.C$
327.C.C5$158.C.C$159.2C$159.C33$4.C$5.C$3.3C5$318.C$319.2C$318.2C22$
327.3C$327.C2.C$327.C$13.3C311.C3.C$13.C2.C310.C$13.C314.C.C$13.C$14.
C.C34$318.C$316.C.C$317.2C20$13.C$14.C$12.3C12$326.3C$326.C2.C$326.C$
326.C3.C$326.C$327.C.C9$22.3C$22.C2.C$22.C$22.C$23.C.C31$321.C$319.C.
C$320.2C11$329.3C$329.C2.C$329.C$329.C3.C$329.C$330.C.C60$321.C.C$
322.2C$322.C42$331.3C$331.C2.C$331.C$331.C3.C$331.C$332.C.C55$315.C.C
$316.2C$316.C41$325.3C$325.C2.C$325.C$325.C3.C$325.C$326.C.C38$314.C.
C$315.2C$315.C33$324.3C$324.C2.C$324.C$324.C3.C$324.C$325.C.C34$311.C
$312.C$310.3C33$320.3C$320.C2.C$320.C$320.C3.C$320.C$321.C.C!

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Re: David Bell's engineless caterpillar idea revisited

Post by simsim314 » July 11th, 2015, 4:53 pm

Fully adjustable front with self destruct, has single HWSS and 19 *WSS in total (posted step 96):

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x = 153, y = 571, rule = LifeHistory
6.C$5.C.C$5.C.C$6.C2$.2C7.2C$C2.C5.C2.C$.2C7.2C2$6.C$5.C.C$5.C.C$6.C
3$9.3C$9.C2.C$9.C$9.C3.C$9.C$10.C.C50$62.3C$62.C2.C$62.C$62.C$63.C.C
2$54.3C$53.C2.C$56.C$52.C3.C$56.C$53.C.C41$6.C$5.3C$4.2C.C$4.3C$4.3C$
5.2C44$96.C$95.3C$95.C.2C$96.3C$96.2C37$68.3C$68.C2.C$68.C$68.C3.C$
68.C$69.C.C9$133.C$132.C.C$132.C2.C$133.2C50$142.C$141.3C$140.2C.C$
140.3C$140.3C$141.2C28$148.3C$147.C2.C$150.C$150.C$147.C.C39$126.3C$
126.C2.C$126.C$126.C3.C$126.C$127.C.C8$144.3C$143.C2.C$146.C$146.C$
143.C.C17$151.C$150.3C$149.2C.C$149.3C$150.2C6$123.C$122.3C$121.2C.C$
121.3C$122.2C43$71.C$70.3C$70.C.2C$71.3C$71.2C13$82.C$81.3C$81.C.2C$
82.3C$82.3C$82.2C2$92.3C$91.C2.C$94.C$90.C3.C$94.C$91.C.C12$97.3C$97.
C2.C$97.C$97.C3.C$97.C$98.C.C36$126.C$125.3C$125.C.2C$126.3C$126.2C
23$143.3C$142.C2.C$145.C$141.C3.C$145.C$142.C.C4$132.3C$131.C2.C$134.
C$130.C3.C$130.C3.C$134.C$131.C.C!

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