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Re: Soup search results

Post by Kazyan » January 17th, 2021, 7:31 pm

goldenratio wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 4:55 pm
Probably minimal, unless there's some <10 cell edgy enough loaf predecessor that times just right.
Luckily, one such predecessor does exist!

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x = 14, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$7bo$5bo$3bobo10$6bobo$7bo$7bo9$10bo$10b2o$9bo3$12b2o$3bo8bo$3bo$
3bo2$obo$2b2o$3bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » January 17th, 2021, 9:26 pm

Kazyan wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 7:31 pm
Luckily, one such predecessor does exist!

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x = 14, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$7bo$5bo$3bobo10$6bobo$7bo$7bo9$10bo$10b2o$9bo3$12b2o$3bo8bo$3bo$
3bo2$obo$2b2o$3bo!
The wing sequence is one generation too late, which might be my fault, and in case that is the case, I'm sorry about that. Here's the fixed version:

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x = 14, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$7bo$4bobo$4bo10$6bobo$7bo$7bo9$10bo$10b2o$9bo3$12b2o$3bo8bo$3bo$
3bo2$obo$2b2o$3bo!
By the way, when you found the transparent fishhook reaction with the two-glider octomino, why were you searching for O-accepting conduits in the first place? If it's because you have conduits that make clean two-glider octominoes, then dvgrn, I, and probably others would be interested in seeing them.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Kazyan » January 17th, 2021, 10:04 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 9:26 pm
By the way, when you found the transparent fishhook reaction with the two-glider octomino, why were you searching for O-accepting conduits in the first place? If it's because you have conduits that make clean two-glider octominoes, then dvgrn, I, and probably others would be interested in seeing them.
I haven't commented on that discussion because I have thoroughly forgotten what the CatForce search on the octomino was for--I do not even recognize that transparent eater. I think it might have had to do with catalyzing two-glider collisions in general to see if anything rare and useful happened?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » January 17th, 2021, 10:22 pm

Kazyan wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 10:04 pm
I haven't commented on that discussion because I have thoroughly forgotten what the CatForce search on the octomino was for--I do not even recognize that transparent eater. I think it might have had to do with catalyzing two-glider collisions in general to see if anything rare and useful happened?
I think that we should investigate the two-glider octomino because it seems to have a lot of uninvestigated potential. For example, here is a mostly-complete way to turn it into a century (with a demonstration of connectability attached):

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x = 32, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
22.2A$22.2A4$13.2C$13.2C$11.3C$12.C3$4.2A$2.A2.A$.A.2A$.A$2A$15.A$14.
A.A$14.A.A6.2D2.2A$15.A5.3D4.A$12.3A7.D5.A.2A$12.A12.2A.2A.A$26.A$24.
A.A$24.2A!


There are alternative ways to suppress the toad, but I haven't found any with better input clearance.

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x = 23, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
20.2A$20.2A4$11.2C$11.2C$2A7.3C$A.A7.C$.A7$13.A$12.A.A$12.A.A6.2D$13.
A5.3D$10.3A7.D$10.A!

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x = 22, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
19.2A$19.2A4$10.2C$10.2C$8.3C$2A7.C$2A7$12.A$11.A.A$11.A.A6.2D$12.A5.
3D$9.3A7.D$9.A!

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x = 25, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
22.2A$22.2A$4.2A$4.2A2$13.2C$3.A9.2C$2.A.A6.3C$3.A8.C$3A$A6$15.A$14.A
.A$14.A.A6.2D$15.A5.3D$12.3A7.D$12.A!


Edit: I just found a way with better input clearance.

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x = 21, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A$18.2A4$9.2C$9.2C$7.3C$8.C4$2.2A$3.A$3A$A$11.A$10.A.A$10.A.A6.2D
$11.A5.3D$8.3A7.D$8.A!


Another edit: I was trying to complete an O→W partial that I found.

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x = 39, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
38.A$36.3A$2A33.A$A3.A30.2A$.4A$13.2C$.2A10.2C$.2A8.3C$12.C3$37.2A$36.
A.A$36.2A4$32.2A$32.A.A$34.A$34.2A3$22.2D$23.D$21.2D$21.D!
It took me at least five minutes to find a shape to replace the fishhook with that would perturb the activity in the same way and cleanly annihilate the boat.
Do you suppose that we can get an O→L out of this?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » January 31st, 2021, 3:20 pm

A new xs15 appeared:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
booobooboooobbbb$
oboooobobobboobo$
obbbobobbbbbbbbo$
bboobooooobooobb$
bobbbobbooobbobb$
ooooboobobbobboo$
obboobbobbooobbo$
bboboboobbobboob$
oooobbbooobbooob$
obboobbobbbbobbb$
boobbooobobbbbbo$
ooobbooobbobobbo$
booobooobooboboo$
oboobbbbobbobbbo$
booboobooobbbooo$
bbobbbbobbbboooo!
Discovered by Dylan Chen.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Soup search results

Post by A for awesome » February 11th, 2021, 4:51 am

A new Schick engine soup from rliston:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obboooboobooobob$
obooobbobobooooo$
bobbbobboooooobo$
booboobobooobboo$
obobbboobobbbobo$
oboobboboobboooo$
bobbboobbobooobo$
bbbobbboobbobboo$
bbbbbbbboooboooo$
bbobbobbooobbobo$
ooobobbboboobbob$
oooobbbooooooobb$
obobbooobboobbbb$
oobbooobboobbooo$
obbbboobbobbbobb$
bboobooobbobbobb!
(Sadly it forms very early in the soup's evolution.)
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » February 11th, 2021, 1:41 pm

Originally classified as a yl2688_1_1808_9657e55737a9c402d9ec88593d1c4524, this soup actually takes an unprecedented 95,206,595 generations to stabilize:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbbbobooboobo$
bbbboboobbobbobb$
bbobbboobboobboo$
booobbbooooooobb$
oobobbooobobbboo$
bobobbobobooobbb$
obobbobboobbobob$
boobbobbobbooobo$
bbbobboboooobobb$
ooboobbbobobbbob$
obbbobobboobbbbo$
bbobbbobbooooobb$
oobooooobboooooo$
booooobbooobobob$
boooobooobboooob$
oboobbobooboobbb!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » February 11th, 2021, 1:58 pm

Ian07 wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 1:41 pm
Originally classified as a yl2688_1_1808_9657e55737a9c402d9ec88593d1c4524, this soup actually takes an unprecedented 95,206,595 generations to stabilize...
Wow, that's not just a new record -- I think it kind of blows all previous records along these lines out of the water. Even the "kaleidoscope" symmetric-soup variants of this kind of crystal growth/decay behavior (of which we had a lot of examples even a year ago, haven't checked recently) tend to survive only 5 million to 25 million ticks. I think the outlier was 64,935,262 ticks. But that was a symmetric soup, where this kind of thing happens much much more frequently.

There's a particularly big sudden jump in the crystal's active location due to something that happens at (620170, -619980) @ T=50892900, though the new active site ends up being 500-ish cells northeast of there.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by muzik » February 11th, 2021, 2:11 pm

I've wondered for a while now - were such a soup to produce a glider that goes back up to the switch engines in question (assuming that's possible in the first place), and prevent them from growing the population further at all, would this constitute a proper mesuthelah or just another one of these cases here?

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » February 11th, 2021, 3:47 pm

muzik wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 2:11 pm
I've wondered for a while now - were such a soup to produce a glider that goes back up to the switch engines in question (assuming that's possible in the first place), and prevent them from growing the population further at all, would this constitute a proper mesuthelah or just another one of these cases here?
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My personal opinion would be that if one of apgsearch's random soups managed to shoot down its switch engines after a long delay and stabilize its population, that would constitute a bona fide methuselah (which would probably break the longevity method by quite a large margin).

It's pretty certainly possible for a soup to naturally spit out a pair of switch engines that produces backward gliders, and the switch engines can be destroyed by one or more forward gliders with exactly the right timing. Some mechanisms along those lines exist and are required for RCT cleanup, among other things.

It's just really really I-don't-know-how-unlikely for the two switch engines and the gliders to both be generated by the same soup, and for the backward glider stream to just happen to not drill through the soup's debris before anything interesting happens, and for a spontaneous eater not to show up on the glider stream, either.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvrgn » February 11th, 2021, 3:53 pm

dvgrn wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 3:47 pm
My personal opinion would be that if one of apgsearch's random soups managed to shoot down its switch engines after a long delay and stabilize its population, that would constitute a bona fide methuselah.
I don't agree. Crystal-based weirdness is just a totally separate category from the settling time for regular random ash, which seems to follow a nice predictable probability distribution.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » February 11th, 2021, 4:53 pm

dvrgn wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 3:53 pm
I don't agree. Crystal-based weirdness is just a totally separate category from the settling time for regular random ash, which seems to follow a nice predictable probability distribution.
Didn't you have another post where dvgrn admitted to using "password" as a password everywhere?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » February 11th, 2021, 9:09 pm

bubblegum wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 4:53 pm
Didn't you have another post where dvgrn admitted to using "password" as a password everywhere?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » February 12th, 2021, 1:57 am

Ian07 wrote:
February 11th, 2021, 9:09 pm
Here.
Looking at the post quoted, it appears to have been made by dvgrn, rather than dvrgn.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by yujh » February 15th, 2021, 1:40 am

The fourth yl3456(and the one that produces the most ash) found by me

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobbooobbobbbbob$
ooobbbobbbbobobb$
obbobbobbooobooo$
bboboooboobobbbb$
bbbbboobbobboobb$
oooboooobbboboob$
bbbbbboobobobboo$
obbbbbbboobobbob$
obooobbooobboobo$
obbbbbbbbooboobb$
obbbooobobbobbob$
boboobooobbobobb$
oobbobbobbbobbbb$
bbobooobbbbbbbbo$
obooooooobbbboob$
obooobooobbobooo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » February 17th, 2021, 10:10 am

Yet another new xs15 appeared yesterday, this time by kaarel:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbbobbobobbobbb$
bbbboooobobboobb$
ooooooobbobbbboo$
obbooobooobobboo$
boooobbobbobbbbb$
booboobbboboooob$
oobbbbbbobooobob$
bboboobbobbobboo$
oooooooooobobbob$
boobbobbbooobooo$
bbbbbooobooooboo$
obboooboooboboob$
bbobobbboooooobo$
bobbboobbbbbbboo$
bboobobobobooobb$
bbooobobboobbooo!
This leaves only 10 remaining unnatural xs15s. What are they?
Edit: The ten remaining 15-bitters, according to dvgrn and bubblegum:

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x = 72, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
40bo$38b3o$37bo$38bo$39bo$37bobo$36bobo$36bo$37bo$36b2o$26b2o$26bo$27b
o22b2o$25bobo13b2o6bobo$24bobo15bo5bo$23bobo16bob2obo$23bo19bob2o$24bo
$25bo$24b2o$32b2o18b2o$12bobo17bo19bo$12b2obo17bo19bo$15bo18bo19bo$15b
3o17bo17b2o$18bo17bo18b2o$17bo17b2o18bobo$16bo20b2o19bobo$15bo21bo2bo
18b2o$15b2o22b2o$70b2o$23b2o22b2obo20bo$6bo16bo4b2o16bo2b2o19bo$5bobo
17bobobo15bobo21bo$4bo2bo16b3o17bobo21bo$3bo3bob2o12bo20bo22bo$obo5bob
o13bo20bo20bo$2o21b2o21bo18bo$45b2o17bo$63bo$62bo$61bo$61b2o!
Last edited by creeperman7002 on February 25th, 2021, 2:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by otismo » February 17th, 2021, 12:50 pm

creeperman7002 wrote:
February 17th, 2021, 10:10 am
Yet another new xs15 appeared yesterday, this time by kaarel:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbbobbobobbobbb$
bbbboooobobboobb$
ooooooobbobbbboo$
obbooobooobobboo$
boooobbobbobbbbb$
booboobbboboooob$
oobbbbbbobooobob$
bboboobbobbobboo$
oooooooooobobbob$
boobbobbbooobooo$
bbbbbooobooooboo$
obboooboooboboob$
bbobobbboooooobo$
bobbboobbbbbbboo$
bboobobobobooobb$
bbooobobboobbooo!
This leaves only 10 remaining unnatural xs15s. What are they?
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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 26, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$23b2o9$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o5b2o$10b2o3$2b2o$2b2o10$
15b2o$15b2o!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » February 17th, 2021, 7:45 pm

otismo wrote:
February 17th, 2021, 12:50 pm
now that soup has to be worth a million dollars - if we could explain how, the Catagolue would become the Federal Reserve Bank - seriously...
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » February 18th, 2021, 12:31 am

creeperman7002 wrote:
February 17th, 2021, 10:10 am
Yet another new xs15 appeared yesterday, this time by kaarel:
Both that and the previous xs15 had at least one stretch of diagonally connected cells. Is this a characteristic of most of the remaining xs15s? Those regions do seem relatively unlikely to form naturally.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » February 18th, 2021, 1:38 am

MathAndCode wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 12:31 am
Both that and the previous xs15 had at least one stretch of diagonally connected cells. Is this a characteristic of most of the remaining xs15s? Those regions do seem relatively unlikely to form naturally.
Yeah, those are difficult to form naturally. A good way of coming up with one of the rarest n-bit still lives is saying "n-bit snake", at least for suitably small n (read: this will hold for all n up to about a few million or so).
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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » February 18th, 2021, 6:05 am

bubblegum wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 1:38 am
Yeah, those are difficult to form naturally. A good way of coming up with one of the rarest n-bit still lives is saying "n-bit snake", at least for suitably small n (read: this will hold for all n up to about a few million or so).
A few million?

Object rarity tends to be a function of the lack of small predecessors. A 500000-cell snake could be made by the following simple predecessor together with a distant target:

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#C David Bell, 17 Jul '05
x = 417, y = 431, rule = B3/S23
368bo6b2o$367bobo3bo3bo$366bo3bobo3b2o$367bobo2bobob2o$368bo3bo2b2o$
372bo4bo$373bo2bo10b2o$375bo11b2o7$395b2o$382bo12b2o$371b3o7bo2bo$370b
obob2o5bo3bo$370bobob2o5bo3bo$370bo3bo5b2o3bo$371bobo7bo2bo$372bo2$
361bo7bo$360b3o5bobo$359b2ob4o2bo2bo$360b3o2bo$361bo2b2o2bo$365b2obobo
$369bo3$343b3o2$341bo5bo$341b7o$343bo$343bo3bo5b2o$342bo9bo2bo$343bo9b
2o$344bo4bo$344bo4bo$343b2obobo$342bobo$343bo$361b2o$360bo2bo$361b2o5$
340bo$339bobo$338b2ob2o$338b2ob2o$337b3o$337b3o3bo$337b3o4bo$338b2o5bo
$316b3o19b3o$316bobo20b2o$315bo3bo20b2o$315bo3bo$315bo17b2o$315bo4b2o
11b2o4bo$315bo6bo15bobo$316bo5bo14b4o$316b2o18b2obo$318bo3bo13b2ob2o
20bo$319bobo10b2o3b2o20bobo$333bo27bo$332b3o19b3ob3o$316b3o34b5obo$
315bo3bo13bo25bo$316bo2bo14bo22bobo$318b2o13b2o24b2o$333bo20bo$355b4o$
330bo2bo22b2o$332b4o21bo$329bo$330b2o2b2o2$321b2o7b2o$321b2o6b2o$330b
2o2bo6$329b2o$283b3o43b2o$292bo$285b2o5b3o$285b4o4bo$285b2ob3ob2o35b2o
$290bobo22bo9bo3b3o$304b2o9b4o5bobo2bo$304b2o9bo3bo5bo3bo2bo$333bo$
317b3o10bobo$331b2o3$340bo$312b2o26bobo$312b2o26b2o$277bo48b2o$275b2ob
2o7bo37bobo$278b2o7bo39bo$275b3o9bo3bo$277bo3bo8bobo$276bo3bo10bo$277b
3obo$279b2o$254bo23bobo$253b3o23bo$252b2ob2o21b2o$253b3o14bo6b3o$254bo
14b3o5bob2o$254bobo11bo3bo3b5o$254b4o9b2o2b3o$257bo10bo3bo$235bo3b2o2b
2obo21bo2bo22b2o$235bo3b2o4bob2o4b2ob2o11bobo21bobo$235bo3b2o2b2ob2o4b
o5bo36bo$239b2o12bo3bo$237bo2bo13bo$237bobo$216bo21bo30bob2o50bo$217bo
b2obobo43b5o49bo$211b3o3b4o3bo43b4o50b3o$217bo2b2ob2o$216bo52b3o$214b
3o52b3o$214b3o37b2o14bo$235b3o16b2o68bo$234bo2bo86bobo$234bo89b2o$234b
o2bo$234bo2bo$236b3o$235bobo$235bo26b2o$237bo24b2o$231b3o4b2o$230bob2o
6bo$216bob2ob2o7bob2o5b2o$215b5o2b2o7b3obo3bo$215bo2b3obo8b2o5bo$221bo
12bo2b2o28b3o6bo$234b2obo3b2o23bo4bo3bobo$236bo29bo4b2o3bo$266bo6bo$
267b3obo2bobo$222b2o47b5o$222b2o52bo10b2o$287b2o$233bo$233bo$234bo$
307bo$233b2o71bo$200bo30bo2bobo69b3o$186b2o7b2o2bobo29bo4bo58b2o$186b
3o6b4o3bo28bo39b2o22b2o$186b2obobo7bo32b3o36b4o5bob2o$189b2o10bob2o64b
2ob3o5bo3bobo$201bobo65b2o3b2o10bo21bo$202bo8b2o56b2obobo9bobo21bobo$
211b2o61bo5bobo25b2o$271b3o$261bo$260b2o7bo$259bobob3o2bobo$258b3o3b2o
3bo$211b2o46bobob2obobo$209b3ob2o4b2o39b2ob2o$209bobob2o4b2o40bob5obo$
207b2obo54b4o$200b2o3bo$191b2o5bo3bobo$191b2o6b2obob3o36b3o$199bo3b4o$
197bo49bo$196bobo44bo3b2o$195bo49bobo$179bobo6bobo4bo46b3o8b2o$178bo9b
obo4bobo46bo7bo2bo$179bo2bo6bo6bo56b2o$181b3o59b2o$244b2o$244bo$244b2o
45bo$129bo113b2o45bo$128bobo130b2o27b3o$128bo2b2o127bo2bo$126b7o14bo
113b2o$125bo2bo3bo14bo$124b3o2b7o11bo$126b3o2bo8bo151bo$127b2ob2o8bo
50b2o47bo51bobo$128b3obo2bo40bo14b2o47bo51b2o$129b3ob2o13b2o5b2o17b2ob
2o61bo$132bo13b2obo5b2o20b2o62b2o$145bo3bo24b3o64b3o$145bo2b2o26bo3bo
60b2o$146b3o6b2o3bo14bo3bo$147bo11b2o15b3obo36bo$153bo24b2o19b2o15bobo
$154b3obo18bobo19b2o$154bo2b3o18bo37bo2bo20bo$158bo2bo15b2o39b2o21bo$
158b3o15b3o40bo20bo$160bo15bob2o53b2o$135b2o3b3o32b5o53b2o$135b2o3bo2b
o5bo$122bo18b2obo2b2ob2o87bo$121bob2o16bo2bo3bo2bo64b2o20b3o$125bo15bo
bo5b2o67bo18b2o2bo$119bo3bo2bo12b2o76b2o17b2o$117bo9bo11b2ob2o26bo45b
3o15b3o$117bo4b2o2b2o12bo28bobo44b2o16b2o$126b2o11bo2b2o24b2ob2o27bo
14b3obo14b2o$119bo5bo13b3o27bo2bo26bo16bo3bo11bobo$120bo4b3o43b3o25bo
3bo14bo2bo11b2o31bobo6bo$121bo4b2o43bobo27bobo14b3o14bo31b2o5bo$123b4o
45b2o45b2o12bo2bo30bo6b3o$172b2o62bo$233b3o2$120bo110bo$119b3o66bobo
38bobo45bo$118b2o2bo33bo31b2o41bo44b3o$117b2o2b2o28bo2bobo2bo3bo25bo
31b2o5bobo45b2o$118b2o15b2o14bo4b2ob5o57b2o5bo52b2o$119b5o11b2o14bo3bo
4bobo65bobo50bobo$123b2o104b2o53bo$121bo2bo28b3o129bo$122b2o30bo14b2o
115bo$169b2o116bo$286b2o$229b2o$143b2o84b2o58b2o$120b3o20b2o108b2o34bo
bo$120bobo52bo78b2o36bo$120bo53bobo64b2o10bo22bo16bo$120bo2bo51bo66b2o
31b3o16bo$121bobo117bo32b2o2bo16bo$122b3o45b2o101b2o2b2o15b2o$124b2o
43b2ob2o100b2o$118b3o4b2o31bob2o7b2ob2o87bo13b5o17b2o$124b2o28b3ob2obo
9b3o87b2o16b2o16bobo$155bo3bobo98bobo14bo2bo19bo$156bo3bo117b2o12b2o7b
o$292b2o8bo$111bo191bo$111bo7bo182b2o$111bo5b3o$110b2o3bobo43b2o113b3o
26b2o$116bo2bo41b2o58b2o53bobo26bobo$115bo2b2o102b2o52bo31bo$209b2o10b
o54bo2bo20b2o7bo$210b2o65bobo20b2o8bo$172bobo34bo68b3o30bo$172b2o106b
2o28b2o$151bo21bo100b3o4b2o$106b2o42bobo76bo50b2o31b2o$102b2o3bo42bo2b
2o74b2o82bobo$91b3o7bo6bo39b7o73bobo37b3o45bo$94b3o5bo3b5o17bobo16bo2b
o3bo112bo2bo46bo$94b3o6bo3bo20b2o16b3o2b7o108bo4bo46bo$95bo11bo2bo18bo
18b3o2bo112bo2b3o47bo$108b2o3b2o34b2ob2o112bo5bo45b2o$113b2o35b3obo2bo
109b7o$151b3ob2o116bo47b2o$154bo34b2o82bo47bobo$190b2o79b2o51bo$177b2o
10bo135bo$178b2o146bo$177bo149bo$326b2o$114bo$113bobo81bo131b2o$111bo
3bo81b2o130bobo$97b2o6bo2b2ob4o81bobo133bo$97b2o5bo3bo3bo5b2o147b2o64b
o$104bo3b3o7b2o147b2o65bo$110bo140b3o81bo$250bo3bo79b2o$249bo4bo$249bo
2bobo82b2o$157b2o90b2obobo82bobo$105b2o51b2o91b2obo2bo82bo$105b2o50bo
95b2o2bo17b2o64bo$254b3o18b2o65bo$243b3o97bo$242bo2bo96b2o$241bo4bo$
96b3o66bo75bo2b3o98b2o$64bo100b2o74bo5bo97bobo$64bo29bo5bo63bobo75b7o
99bo$66bo5bo21b7o11bobo133bo34b2o64bo$65bo6bobo21bo15b2o134bo34b2o65bo
$64bo3bo2bo24bo3bo12bo132b2o103bo$65bo2bobob2o21bo254b2o$70bob2o22bo$
84b2o11bo4bo170b3o77b2o$84b2o11bo4bo22b2o226bobo$96b2obobo24b2o143bo5b
o78bo$95bobo27bo145b7o79bo$96bo176bo84bo$273bo3bo81bo$272bo85b2o$273bo
$92b2o39bo93bobo44bo4bo81b2o$92b2o39b2o91bo2bo44bo4bo81bobo$73b2o3bo
53bobo92bobo29b2o12b2obobo85bo$71b3o4b2o180bo2bo4bo3bobo90bo$66b3obo8b
2o176bo2b3obo2bobo3bo92bo$70bobo2b5o131b2o16bo27bo2bo4b4o98bo$71bo3b3o
134bo2bo4bo7bob2o12b2o11bo2bo105b2o$209bo2b3obo2bobo6bob2o13bo14bo6bo$
209bo2bo4b4o6bo3bo12bo14b2obo106b2o$58bo150bo2bo15b4o35bo101bobo$58bo
7bo145bo6bo8b3o15bo18b2o105bo$58bo5b3o144b2obo28bo129bo$37b3o17b2o3bob
o124bo29bo23bo2bo127bo$36bo3bo22bo2bo121b2o7bo19b2o23b3o130bo$35bo3b2o
21bo2b2o120bobob3o2bobo43b3o7b2o120b2o$36bo149b3o3b2o3bo44bo2bo6b2o$
37b4o60bo85bobob2obobo46bobo20bo2bo107b2o$39bob2o58b2o85b2ob2o50b3o24b
o106bobo$39bo2bo57bobo86bob5obo68bo3bo109bo$40b2o151b4o11b2o18b2o37b4o
110bo$208b2o18b2o152bo$57b2o150bo173bo$58b2o150bo171b2o$38bo17bo6b3o
143bobo$37bobo16bo4bob2obo142bobo4b2o104bo2bo59b2o$37bobo16bo8bo144b4o
b3o108bo58bobo$38bo18bob4o5b2o144b2o2bo103bo3bo61bo$68b2o141bo2bo2bo
18b2o85b4o62bo$63bo5bo122bo18bobo22b2o152bo$68bo126bo6bobo6b3o177bo$
66bobo121bo11bobobo4bo178b2o$46bo142bo3bo2bo10b2o2bo2bo$45bobo142b3o2b
o10bobo3b3o105bo57bo2bo11b2obo$45bobo143bo3bo13bob2ob2o90bobo6bo2b4o
60bo10bob2o$23b3o20bo146b2o13b3obo2bo89bo9bob4o57bo3bo$22bo3bo166bo14b
ob2ob3o90bo2bo6b3o3b2o55b4o$23b2o283b3o9bo2b2o$25b2ob2o26bo2bo261bob2o
$27b2o27bo2bo262bo8b2o$55bo140b2o13b2o118b2o$16bo41bo137b2o188b3o$2ob
2o6bob2o2b2o34b2o333bo$2o8bob5o36b2ob2o148b2o179bo$2obobo5bo4b2o36b2o
151b2o189bo$3bobo11bobo187bobo187bobo$4b2o201bobo121b3o63bo2bo$17b3o
186b2o2bo118bo4bo4b2o57b2o$205bo3bo121bob2o4b2o$206b3o119b3o51bo$207bo
113bo59bobo$311b2o9bobobo$311b2o5b5o3bo54bo2bo3bob3o13bo$26bo291b3o2bo
2bo56bo4bo16bobo$24b4o289b2o5b2o58bob2obobo13bo2bo$23b2o2bo288b2o67b2o
3bo15b2o$22bob4o287b2o69bo15b2o$17bo4b5o287b2o38b3o45b2o$17bo7b2o271b
3o7bobo4bo40bo$6b2o16b3o274b3o5bo6bo38bo$6b2o17b3o273b3o110bo$25b2o
252bo3b2o2b2obo11bo110bobo$26b2o251bo3b2o4bob2o120bo2bo$279bo3b2o2b2ob
2o122b2o$283b2o125b2o$281bo2bo108bo16b2o$281bobo109b3o$14b2o266bo102bo
6bo3bo$14b2o369bo3b3o4bo$385bo3b3obob2o$285bo103b2o3bo$284bobo38bo$
284bobo33bob5o48bo$285bo33bo6b2o47bo$319bo7bo47bo8bo$272bo45bo2b3o3bo
54bobo$272bo45b2o56b3o2bo3bo$272bo44bobo3b4o50bob5o$269bob3obo17bo22b
2ob2o2bo59bo$269bob5o16bobo20b2o2bo32bo25b2o$273bobo16bobo22bo33bobo$
270b2o21bo$270b2o79bo2bo3bob3o$248b3o20bo81bo4bo$271b2o81bob2obobo$
246bo5bo19bo3b2o77b2o3bo$246b7o12bo6bo83bo15b2o$248bo17b2o2bob2o98b2o$
248bo3bo13b2o3bo$247bo17b2obo112bo$248bo18b3o102b2o7b2o$249bo4bo11bob
2o101b3o8bo$249bo4bo11b2o102bo2bob3o3bo$248b2obobo12bo104b3o2b2o$247bo
bo122b3ob2o$248bo114bo$363b3o$355bo6bo3bo$355bo3b3o4bo7bo$355bo3b3obob
2o5b5o$359b2o3bo7b2ob3o$372b2o2bo$263b3o107b3o$265bo101bo6bo$264b3o
100b2o$253b2o113bo$253b2o105b2o6bo$360b2o4bobo$369bo$370bo$364b2o5bo$
367bo4bo$369bobo$261b2o$261b2o!
whereas a 500000-cell random.rle-style still-life in a bounding box of slightly more than 1000x1000 seems very unlikely to form naturally.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by HartmutHolzwart » February 18th, 2021, 10:42 am

Object rarity tends to be a function of the lack of small predecessors
Can we measure that correlation empirically?

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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » February 18th, 2021, 12:47 pm

calcyman wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 6:05 am
A few million?
I guess I was underestimating the commonness of… (looks at chart) pretty much everything.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » February 18th, 2021, 3:31 pm

bubblegum wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 1:38 am
Yeah, those are difficult to form naturally. A good way of coming up with one of the rarest n-bit still lives is saying "n-bit snake", at least for suitably small n (read: this will hold for all n up to about a few million or so).
Personally, I would go with this:

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x = 21, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
17b2obo$17bob2o$15b2o$14bo$14bo$12b2o$11bo$11bo$9b2o$8bo$8bo$6b2o$5bo
$5bo$3b2o$2bo$2bo$2o$o$bo$2o!
However, I'm sure that anything with over half of its cells in long stretches of diagonal lines will be near the bottom.
calcyman wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 6:05 am
Object rarity tends to be a function of the lack of small predecessors. A 500000-cell snake could be made by the following simple predecessor together with a distant target:
Then again, every glider-constructible object has a predecessor with sixty-four or fewer cells—and this number is probably lower if one uses alternative switch engine predecessors or my idea to save a glider by using 180° gliders to create the target or targets works.
I have historically worked on conduits, but recently, I've been working on glider syntheses and investigating SnakeLife.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » February 18th, 2021, 3:47 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
February 18th, 2021, 3:31 pm
Then again, every glider-constructible object has a predecessor with sixty-four or fewer cells—and this number is probably lower if one uses alternative switch engine predecessors or my idea to save a glider by using 180° gliders to create the target or targets works.
The soups are only 16×16, not 2.73e126×7.4e115.
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