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Re: Soup search results

Post by HartmutHolzwart » April 26th, 2021, 6:43 am

There is a new flotilla in the G1 census:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oooooobobooboobo$
oboboboobbobbbob$
oboobobooboobobo$
oobbbobboooboooo$
bboobobobooobbbo$
boobobooooobbbbb$
bobobooobobobbbb$
bobboobbobooooob$
obobbbboooobobbb$
bobooboobobobobb$
bbbbobobbbbooooo$
bobboboooobboobo$
ooobbobboobooboo$
oobobboobbbbobob$
ooboooooobbobboo$
oooobbobbbbobooo!
I think the way it forms is quite standard, but the interesting thing is how wide it is!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » April 26th, 2021, 7:11 am

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 6:43 am
There is a new flotilla in the G1 census:

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RLE
I think the way it forms is quite standard, but the interesting thing is how wide it is!
Yeah, I think that's the first time apgsearch has recognized a three-spaceship flotilla in an asymmetric soup; although in reality it's actually a pseudo-flotilla.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by wwei47 » April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am

It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!

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x = 17, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3b3o$15bo$14bo$3b3o8b3o$2bo3bo$bo5bo$bo5bo$bo5bo$2bo3bo$3b3o5$3o3b
3o2$4bo$4bo$4bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by bubblegum » April 26th, 2021, 11:55 am

wwei47 wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am
It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!
In what situation would you need a soup-based synthesis of a LWSS on LWSS where you can't just check in, say, mniemiec's database?

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » April 26th, 2021, 12:47 pm

wwei47 wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 9:09 am
It might be worth not separating LWSSes on LWSSes. It's hard to find soup-based syntheses for those when they just get separated!
There's a practical problem with "not separating LWSSes on LWSSes". They're separated because the current census code separates them.

I'm not really an expert here, but from what I understand, changing the census code to not separate LWSSes on LWSSes, but continue to separate everything else that currently gets separated, is either hard to do... or it's somewhat slower. Like, you could add some new code that runs whenever a soup census includes an LWSS count greater than one, and just look to see whether two of them happen to be in the LWSS-on-LWSS position.

Changing methodology midstream would kind of invalidate the relevant census statistics, though. It might be something to consider if a whole new census run is started at some point -- say starting from zero counts with 32x32 soups, or something like that.

Another example that comes to mind is there are a lot of cases where it would be useful to collect soups for various pseudo-still lifes -- block on eater, beehive on loaf, or whatever. Currently it's hard to dig up soups that might help synthesize these pseudo combinations more efficiently. But adjusting the census code to track these separately would probably be a highly non-trivial design effort.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » April 26th, 2021, 6:00 pm

dvgrn wrote:
April 26th, 2021, 12:47 pm
There's a practical problem with "not separating LWSSes on LWSSes". They're separated because the current census code separates them. ...

Another example that comes to mind is there are a lot of cases where it would be useful to collect soups for various pseudo-still lifes -- block on eater, beehive on loaf, or whatever. Currently it's hard to dig up soups that might help synthesize these pseudo combinations more efficiently. But adjusting the census code to track these separately would probably be a highly non-trivial design effort.
Why not have apgsearch just both separate and not separate them? E.g. if it finds a boat-on-beehive, log a boat, a beehive, and a boat-on-beehive. Since the code right now parses each cluster individually to see if needs to be separated or not, it shouldn't be difficult to have it just list the cluster both ways. (In the rare cases where there are multiple adjacent objects, it could list them by a divide-and-conquer approach).

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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » May 2nd, 2021, 9:33 pm

This p4 oscillator just occurred naturally.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b2o2b6obo$o2bo3b2o2bo2b2o$3b2obob4o$3obobo2bo2b2o$o2b3ob4o4bo$4obo2b3o
2b2o$o3b3o5b3o$2o4b3o3bob2o$bobo2bobo2b2o$8b2o5bo$2bobobob3o$bob4ob2o
2b2o$bo2bobo7b2o$2ob2o2bobobo2bo$bo3b2obob5o$3b2o2b4o!


Edit: I'll mention these in case someone makes a suitable synthesis.

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x = 213, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
89bo$87b2o$88b2o$b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo48b2o2b6obo$o2bo3b2o2b
o2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o44bo2bo3b2o2bo2b2o$3b2obob4o
51b2obob4o51b2obob4o14bo36b2obob4o14bo$3obobo2bo2b2o46b3obobo2bo2b2o46b
3obobo2bo2b2o12bobo31b3obobo2bo2b2o12bobo$o2b3ob4o4bo44bo2b3ob4o4bo44b
o2b3ob4o4bo10b2o32bo2b3ob4o4bo10b2o$4obo2b3o2b2o45b4obo2b3o2b2o45b4ob
o2b3o2b2o45b4obo2b3o2b2o$o3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o45bo3b3o5b3o
$2o4b3o3bob2o44b2o4b3o3bob2o44b2o4b3o3bob2o15bo28b2o4b3o3bob2o15bo$bo
bo2bobo2b2o48bobo2bobo2b2o48bobo2bobo2b2o17b2o29bobo2bobo2b2o17b2o$8b
2o5bo52b2o5bo52b2o5bo14bobo35b2o5bo14bobo$2bobobob3o51bobobob3o51bobo
bob3o51bobobob3o$bob4ob2o2b2o11bo35bob4ob2o2b2o47bob4ob2o2b2o47bob4ob
2o2b2o11bo$bo2bobo7b2o8bo36bo2bobo7b2o45bo2bobo7b2o45bo2bobo7b2o8bo$2o
b2o2bobobo2bo9b3o33b2ob2o2bobobo2bo45b2ob2o2bobobo2bo45b2ob2o2bobobo2b
o9b3o$bo3b2obob5o46bo3b2obob5o11b3o32bo3b2obob5o46bo3b2obob5o$3b2o2b4o
52b2o2b4o15bo36b2o2b4o52b2o2b4o$87bo9$23b2o178b2o$23bobo177bobo$23bo179b
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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » May 4th, 2021, 12:22 pm

BREAKING: A new 15-bitter has appeared today at 03:00:56 UTC, discovered by Rob Liston. Soup:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boooooboobobooob$
bbbbboboobbobbob$
bobbbobobobooooo$
boooobbboboooobo$
obooobbobobobboo$
obooooboooobbbob$
obbbbbobobbobooo$
bobobbbooboboooo$
boboobbobboobboo$
bobbbbobbobbbooo$
obboobobbbbbbbbb$
bobooooobbobbbbb$
boooboooobobooob$
oooooobbbbbooobb$
obbbbbbobobobbbo$
bobobbobbbbbobob!
With the appearance of this still life, the number of unnatural xs15s is now in the single digits (9).

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x = 42, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
8bo12b2o$6b3o12bo$5bo16bo$6bo13bobo17b2o$7bo11bobo9b2o6bobo$5bobo10bob
o11bo5bo$4bobo11bo13bob2obo$4bo14bo13bob2o$5bo14bo$4b2o13b2o5$40b2o$
41bo$40bo$2bobo12b2o20bo$2b2obo11bo20bo$5bo12bo18bo$5b3o11bo16bo$8bo9b
2o15bo$7bo12b2o12bo$6bo13bobo10bo$5bo17bobo6bo$5b2o17b2o5bo$31b2o7$36b
2obo$19b2o14bo2b2o$6bo12bo4b2o8bobo$5bobo13bobobo7bobo$4bo2bo12b3o10bo
$3bo3bob2o8bo14bo$obo5bobo9bo14bo$2o17b2o13b2o!
EDIT: A megasized_72h from G1, found on 04/27/2021, 06:12:38 UTC by the same person:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
ooobbooobbbboboo$
oobbbbbbbobobooo$
bbboobbbbbobobbo$
obobbbbbboobbobb$
bbobobbobobbboob$
oooobbooobbooooo$
boooobbbboooobbb$
obboboooobobobbb$
obboobbbbbboooob$
obboooooobobbobb$
obobboobbbbobbob$
boobbbbooobbooob$
bobobbooboooobbb$
obobbboooobooooo$
bobbbbooooboobbo$
ooboooobobobbbbo!
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Soup search results

Post by ihatecorderships » May 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm

I found a new xs34_31e88gz0651230eikl3zy6346: https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xs3 ... 6346/b3s23
Sadly, I entered my payosha256 password wrong, so it isn't attributed to me.

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo$2bo$2b3o$5bo$2b2obo4b2o$bo2b2ob2o2bo$b2o4bob2o$7bo$8b3o$10bo$10bobo$
11b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by hotdogPi » May 20th, 2021, 12:09 pm

ihatecorderships wrote:
May 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm
I found a new xs34_31e88gz0651230eikl3zy6346: https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xs3 ... 6346/b3s23
Sadly, I entered my payosha256 password wrong, so it isn't attributed to me.

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo$2bo$2b3o$5bo$2b2obo4b2o$bo2b2ob2o2bo$b2o4bob2o$7bo$8b3o$10bo$10bobo$
11b2o!
I was really excited until I realized it was an xs34 and not an xp34.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » June 15th, 2021, 9:42 am

Not sure if this is notable, but D8_1 finds the first semi-natural xs284:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
b2o4b5ob2ob2ob5o4b2o$2obob2o5bobobobo5b2obob2o$obob5obo3bobo3bob5obobo
$bob2ob3o2bobo3bobo2b3ob2obo$2b3o3b2o4b3o4b2o3b3o$b2o2b5o2bobobobo2b5o
2b2o$b3ob2o5bo2bo2bo5b2ob3o$ob2obob3ob2obobob2ob3obob2obo$ob4ob4o4bo4b
4ob4obo$o3b2ob2o2bo7bo2b2ob2o3bo$obo5bob2obobobob2obo5bobo$o2bo3bob2ob
o5bob2obo3bo2bo$bo3b3o3bo2bobo2bo3b3o3bo$o2bo6bo2b2ob2o2bo6bo2bo$3ob2o
bo4b7o4bob2ob3o$4bobobobo3bobo3bobobobo$3ob2obo4b7o4bob2ob3o$o2bo6bo2b
2ob2o2bo6bo2bo$bo3b3o3bo2bobo2bo3b3o3bo$o2bo3bob2obo5bob2obo3bo2bo$obo
5bob2obobobob2obo5bobo$o3b2ob2o2bo7bo2b2ob2o3bo$ob4ob4o4bo4b4ob4obo$ob
2obob3ob2obobob2ob3obob2obo$b3ob2o5bo2bo2bo5b2ob3o$b2o2b5o2bobobobo2b
5o2b2o$2b3o3b2o4b3o4b2o3b3o$bob2ob3o2bobo3bobo2b3ob2obo$obob5obo3bobo
3bob5obobo$2obob2o5bobobobo5b2obob2o$b2o4b5ob2ob2ob5o4b2o!
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » June 15th, 2021, 10:06 am

creeperman7002 wrote:
June 15th, 2021, 9:42 am
Not sure if this is notable, but D8_1 finds the first semi-natural xs284: ...
The whole reason why we run soups is to see patterns emerge from randomness. Due to how Life birth and death rules work, cells whose states are uniformly distributed are NOT in any way random in the Life sense, and are very atypical (i.e. you would be very unlikely to see any region in a large random Life pattern create a pattern similar to that of a typical catagolue soup).

Patterns that emerge from soups during the first few generations are not indicative of random Life processes, but tend to be artifacts of the random initial state generation of the soup itself, so they are statistically anomalous in the Life sense. This soup seems to be an example of this; the result is formed by generation 7, and most of it is already fully formed several generations before that even. Also, this particular soup seems fairly non-random in the first place.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » July 3rd, 2021, 5:59 pm

This interesting-looking p8 was discovered by Jim Hortons on 6/25/2021:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
11b2o5b2o$11b2o5b2o3$11b3o3b3o$14bobo$10bobobobobobo$10bo9bo$11b2o5b2o
$11b2o5b2o$6b2o4bob3obo4b2o$2o2bo3b2o2bo5bo2b2o3bo2b2o$2o2bobob4o7b4o
bobo2b2o$4bo21bo$5b2o3bo9bo3b2o$10bo9bo$5b2o3bo9bo3b2o$4bo21bo$2o2bob
ob4o7b4obobo2b2o$2o2bo3b2o2bo5bo2b2o3bo2b2o$6b2o4bob3obo4b2o$11b2o5b2o
$11b2o5b2o$10bo9bo$10bobobobobobo$14bobo$11b3o3b3o3$11b2o5b2o$11b2o5b
2o!
Soup:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
obbbbbooboobbobobobbooboobbbbbo$
bbbooooboooboboooboboooboooobbb$
bbboooobbooooboooboooobboooobbb$
booobobbobooobobobooobobbobooob$
booboooooobooboooboobooooooboob$
boooobbooboboooooooboboobboooob$
ooobobbbbboobbbbbbboobbbbbobooo$
obbboobobbbobobbbobobbboboobbbo$
bobooobbobbooboooboobbobbooobob$
ooobobbbbbbboobbboobbbbbbbobooo$
ooooboobbbbbbobbbobbbbbbooboooo$
bbooobooobbooobbbooobbooobooobb$
booooobboobobbbobbboboobbooooob$
obbbbobobooobbooobbooobobobbbbo$
booooobbobbbbooooobbbbobbooooob$
oooboobbobbbooobooobbbobboobooo$
booooobbobbbbooooobbbbobbooooob$
obbbbobobooobbooobbooobobobbbbo$
booooobboobobbbobbboboobbooooob$
bbooobooobbooobbbooobbooobooobb$
ooooboobbbbbbobbbobbbbbbooboooo$
ooobobbbbbbboobbboobbbbbbbobooo$
bobooobbobbooboooboobbobbooobob$
obbboobobbbobobbbobobbboboobbbo$
ooobobbbbboobbbbbbboobbbbbobooo$
boooobbooboboooooooboboobboooob$
booboooooobooboooboobooooooboob$
booobobbobooobobobooobobbobooob$
bbboooobbooooboooboooobboooobbb$
bbbooooboooboboooboboooboooobbb$
obbbbbooboobbobobobbooboobbbbbo!
The oscillator forms quickly, so it's unlikely we can construct a synth from this.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Methuselah reductions

Post by MathAndCode » July 27th, 2021, 9:33 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 9:26 pm
Here's the fixed version:
I reduced the population by one cell at the cost of two generations.

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x = 12, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bobo$2b2o11$4bobo$5bo$5bo9$8bo$8b2o$7bo3$10b2o$bo8bo$bo$bo$o$bo$bo$2bo!


Edit: Here are population reductions for 47575M, 42100M, and Eve:

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x = 25, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
22b3o$23bo4$8bo2bo$8b3o6$14b2o$14bo15$2o$bo!

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x = 25, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
16bo$16bo$16bo4bo$21bo$21bo$12b2o10bo$11bob2o7bobo$12b2o8b3o$5bo$5bo$
5bo$o18bo$o6bo10b3o$2o5bo9bo3bo$5b3o9bo$15bo2b2o!

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x = 16, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
14bo$14bo$15bo$9bo3b2o$7bo4b3o$7bo3bo$9b2o$bo$3o2$bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » September 7th, 2021, 5:18 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
January 17th, 2021, 9:26 pm
Here's the fixed version:

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x = 14, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$7bo$4bobo$4bo10$6bobo$7bo$7bo9$10bo$10b2o$9bo3$12b2o$3bo8bo$3bo$
3bo2$obo$2b2o$3bo!
Here is a version that has the same population and lasts for two generations longer:

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x = 13, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$b2o2$o$o$o8$5bobo$6bo$6bo9$9bo$9b2o$8bo3$2bo8b2o$3b2o6bo2$3bo$3b2o$2bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by dani » September 8th, 2021, 6:06 pm

John Goodman found the second natural xs56 in C1, tying cloverleaf interchange for the biggest natural still life:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobooooobobobboo$
bbooooboobbobooo$
oooboboooboobbob$
bbbobbobobbboboo$
obobboobobobobbo$
bbobbbboboooobbb$
bbobbobbbbbbbbbo$
bbooboooobooboob$
ooobbobobobboobo$
ooobbbobbbobbboo$
boobboooooobbbob$
boobboooooooobbb$
ooboobbbbooobboo$
bboboobbooooboob$
bbbboobooobboobo$
bbbbboooboboobbb!
(Btw, there's a Catagolue notifier set up in Conwaylife Lounge Discord now for C1, which notifies on occasion for things like this.)

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Re: Soup search results

Post by ihatecorderships » September 9th, 2021, 9:12 am

dani wrote:
September 8th, 2021, 6:06 pm
John Goodman found the second natural xs56 in C1, tying cloverleaf interchange for the biggest natural still life:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobooooobobobboo$
bbooooboobbobooo$
oooboboooboobbob$
bbbobbobobbboboo$
obobboobobobobbo$
bbobbbboboooobbb$
bbobbobbbbbbbbbo$
bbooboooobooboob$
ooobbobobobboobo$
ooobbbobbbobbboo$
boobboooooobbbob$
boobboooooooobbb$
ooboobbbbooobboo$
bboboobbooooboob$
bbbboobooobboobo$
bbbbboooboboobbb!
(Btw, there's a Catagolue notifier set up in Conwaylife Lounge Discord now for C1, which notifies on occasion for things like this.)
It has a nice and simple predecessor, surprise it hasn't been seen before.

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x = 16, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
8b2o2$2bo3b2o2bo3b2o$3o4bo5b3o$2bo3b2o2bo3b2o2$8b2o!
Someone attempt a synthesis?
Edit: Nevermind, it already has one.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » September 10th, 2021, 6:59 pm

344-cell(!) still life in D8_1, the new largest still life to arise from soup by 56 cells:

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x = 35, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
4b2o23b2o$3bo2bo7b2o3b2o7bo2bo$4bobo7bobobobo7bobo$bo3bob2o7bobo7b2obo3bo$obo
3bo2bobobo2bobo2bobobo2bo3bobo$o2bo3bobob2obobobobob2obobo3bo2bo$b2obo3b2o4bo
bobobo4b2o3bob2o$3bobo5b2obobobobob2o5bobo$3bo2bo5bobobobobobo5bo2bo$4b3o3bob
obobobobobobo3b3o$9bobo3b2ob2o3bobo$4b2obo2bo13bo2bob2o$5bob3o15b3obo$4bo25bo
$b2o2b5o15b5o2b2o$bo8bo13bo8bo$2b9o13b9o2$2b9o13b9o$bo8bo13bo8bo$b2o2b5o15b5o
2b2o$4bo25bo$5bob3o15b3obo$4b2obo2bo13bo2bob2o$9bobo3b2ob2o3bobo$4b3o3bobobob
obobobobo3b3o$3bo2bo5bobobobobobo5bo2bo$3bobo5b2obobobobob2o5bobo$b2obo3b2o4b
obobobo4b2o3bob2o$o2bo3bobob2obobobobob2obobo3bo2bo$obo3bo2bobobo2bobo2bobobo
2bo3bobo$bo3bob2o7bobo7b2obo3bo$4bobo7bobobobo7bobo$3bo2bo7b2o3b2o7bo2bo$4b2o
23b2o!
Soup:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
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Found by Jim Hortons on Sep 1.
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » October 15th, 2021, 5:25 am

Index fossil alert!

Actually I'm somewhat divided over what paleontological terminology to use. There's a recent object reported on #catagolue (channel on Discord monitoring interesting new apgsearch discoveries) that shows an impressive example of convergent evolution:

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x = 66, y = 18, rule = LifeSuper
54.5S.S.S$51.S5.2S.3S$4.2V2.V.V.V.V42.2S2.3S$V2.5V4.V43.S.S3.S.S$.2V.
4V.V2.2V37.S.2S2.S.S4.2S$3.V.3V2.2V.V36.S.3S.S.2S2.S$2.V.2V2.V3.V.2V
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5V.2V2.2V36.S3.2S.S.S2.4S$5.3V2.V40.S.2S.S.S5.S$3.2V.V4.2V2.V35.S.5S.
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35.S2.3S2.2S2.S$V2.3V2.V.2V2.2V34.S6.S.S.2S.S$.V.9V$.5V2.2V.V.V.V!
#C [[ ZOOM 7 GPS 20 STOP 200 PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 36 PASTE
2$4.2pA2.pA.pA.pA.pA$pA2.5pA4.pA$.2pA.4pA.pA2.2pA$3.pA.3pA2.2pA.pA$2.
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3pA2.pA$3.2pA.pA4.2pA2.pA$pA2.pA2.pA5.pA$pA.pA4.2pA4.2pA$pA2.5pA.pA2.
pA2.pA$pA2.3pA2.pA.2pA2.2pA$.pA.9pA$.5pA2.2pA.pA.pA.pA!
]]
I guess the result of convergent evolution is what I've been calling an "index fossil": an object that is very unlikely to form, except that some particular "bottleneck" pattern happens to create it. So when you see an index fossil show up in Catagolue, it won't tell you anything new about how to construct it -- it will just tell you the exact same recipe all over again:

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x = 153, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
6bo$7bo$5b3o3$119b2o7bo$118bo2bo6bobo$119bobo6b2o$120bo$16b2o$16bobo$
16bo2$105bo$106b2o$105b2o2$109b3o$111bo$99b2o9bo$100b2o$99bo4$4bo109bo
$3bobo107bobo$4bobo107bobo$5bo85bo23bo16b2o$2o89b2o17b2o19b2o$2o88bobo
17b2o21bo18$150b2o$150bobo$150bo2$79b2o$80b2o$79bo2$84b2o$83bobo$85bo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » October 15th, 2021, 1:12 pm

dvgrn wrote:
October 15th, 2021, 5:25 am
Actually I'm somewhat divided over what paleontological terminology to use. There's a recent object reported on #catagolue (channel on Discord monitoring interesting new apgsearch discoveries) that shows an impressive example of convergent evolution: ...

I guess the result of convergent evolution is what I've been calling an "index fossil": an object that is very unlikely to form, except that some particular "bottleneck" pattern happens to create it. So when you see an index fossil show up in Catagolue, it won't tell you anything new about how to construct it -- it will just tell you the exact same recipe all over again: ...
When I search Catalogue for soups that make rare and exotic objects to find predecessors that may be amenable to glider syntheses, I often notice that a high percentage of soups that make the object do so by converging to the same predecessor, which is often difficult to synthesize.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » October 15th, 2021, 3:22 pm

dvgrn wrote:
October 15th, 2021, 5:25 am
Actually I'm somewhat divided over what paleontological terminology to use. There's a recent object reported on #catagolue (channel on Discord monitoring interesting new apgsearch discoveries) that shows an impressive example of convergent evolution:

I guess the result of convergent evolution is what I've been calling an "index fossil": an object that is very unlikely to form, except that some particular "bottleneck" pattern happens to create it. So when you see an index fossil show up in Catagolue, it won't tell you anything new about how to construct it -- it will just tell you the exact same recipe all over again:
The fact that that sequence has shown up twice suggests that perturbing a pi-sequence in a manner that produces a long boat predecessor in the right place at the right time is not extremely difficult, and indeed, spark_search reported 40 three-glider collisions that work (although some of them are duplicates, and most of them leave behind a lot of mess).

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x = 3153, y = 200, rule = B3/S23
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bo2bob2o63b2obo2bobobo2bob2o63b2obo2bobobo2bob2o63b2obo2bobobo2bob2o63b
2obo2bobobo2bob2o63b2obo2bobobo2bob2o63b2obo2bobobo2bob2o$15b9o71b9o71b
9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b
9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b
9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o71b9o2$18b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o
77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o
77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o
77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o$18b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o$19bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo
79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79b
o79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo47$12b3o3034bo$12b
2o3034b3o$13b4o3031b3o$13bob4o1978b4ob2o$11b3o3b2o712bo5b3o1264bo799b
2o$11b3o717b2o3b5o1253b2o9bo402bo394bo2bo242b3o$9bobo78bo639bo4bo2b2o
bo1251bo11bo401b3o393bobo243b3o$7b3o7bobo64bo5bo644b5ob2o223b2o479b2o
543b2o2b2obo5bo321b2o77b2o2bo393bo244b2o$7bob3o4bo66bobo649bob5o224b2o
479b2o145bo159bo238b2o3bo5bo322b2o77bo3bo637b3o$11b2o4bobo62bo648b2ob
3o3bo852b3o157b3o238b4o4b2o240b2o154b2obob2o3bob2o$9bo4bo3bo63bo2bo646b
o2b2o855b2o2bo155b2o2bo485bo2bo154b2o7b2o2bo$8bo3b3o67bo2bo646b3o861b
2o158b2o484bobo154bo5bo3b3obo637bo$12bobo67b3o161b2o78b2o721b2o540bo3b
obo153bo3bobo245b2o237bo156bo2b2o2b3o561b2o67b3o6bobo$9b6o69bo159b4o76b
4o400b2o2b2o315bobo543b2o158b2o246b2o238b2o4bobo147bo2bo2bo3bo560b2o66b
3obo6bo$12b2o230b2o2bo75b2o2bo721bo477bo60bo4b2o92bo60bo4b2o247bo239b
3o3bo155bob2o395bo232b2o2bo$243bob4o74bob4o1198b3o57b3o3b2o92b3o57b3o
3b2o248b3o236b2o2b2o3bo155b2o395b3o156bo74bobo2bob2o81bo$86b2ob2o152b
3o2bo74b3o2bo1198bo2bo58bo4b2o91bo2bo58bo4b2o247b2o237b2obo4b2o554bo154b
2ob2o73b2obo3b3o77b2obo$6b2o234bo3b2o74bo3b2o78b2o158b2o78b2o78b2o78b
2o78b2o78b2o158b2o78b2o78b2o78b2o78b2o77b4obo64b2o88b4obo64b2o89b2o78b
2o75b2o81b2o78b2o74b2o3b2o3bo73b2o75b2o81b2o78b2o78b2o78b2o77b2o79b2o
73b2ob2o81b2o74b2ob2ob2o$6b2o5bo74b2o151b2o4b2o72b2o4b2o77b2o5bo72b2o
5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo79bo72b2o5bo72b2o5b
o72b2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo70bo3b2o61bo3bobo86bo3b2o61bo3bobo88b2o5bo72b
2o5bo69b2obo6bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo74b2obo74b2o5bo67bob2o3b2o3bo72b2o5bo72b
2o5bo72b2o5bo72b2o5bo152b2o5bo147bo2b3o76b4o2b2o$13bo153bo73bo2bo3bob
o3b2o65bo2bo3bobo3b2o77bo72b2o5bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo
79bo79bo79bo71b4o67b2o11b4o72b4o67b2o11b4o80bo79bo71bo7bo79bo79bo67b2o
12b2o76bo66bo2b2o2bobo3bo79bo79bo79bo79bo78bo80bo66b2ob2o9bo67b3o78bo
bo4bo$13bo2b3o64b3o7bobob2o67bobo73b2o4bo4bo2bo65b2o4bo4bo2bo76bo2b3o
74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b
3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o67bo65b2o2bo11b6o72bo65b2o2bo11b6o79b
o2b3o74bo2b3o64b3o7bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o62b2o4b2o5bo3bo74bo2b3o61bo3b
6o3bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o74bo2b3o72b2o2bo2bo74bo2b3o61b2ob2o6b
o3bob2o77b3o66bob4o5b3o$16b3o64bo8b2ob4o67bo2bo69bo3bo3bo2b3o3bo62bo3b
o3bo2b3o3bo79b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o64bo69b3o10bo7bo68bo69b3o10bo7bo81b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o
64bob2obobob2o4bo77b3o62bo4b2o8b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o61bo2bo7b3o4bo77b
3o63bo7bo5b3o70bo6b3o66bobob2o5b3o$16bo2bo63b3o7bo5bo67b2o7b2o61bo9bo
2bo66bo9bo2bo83bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo
76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo62bobo69bo10bo4b4o4b2o62bob
o69bo10bo4b4o4b2o76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo63bob2o3bo5bo2bo76b
o2bo62bo3bo9bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo76bo2bo61b2o7bob4o3bo76bo2bo68b
o10bo69bobo4bo2bo70bo5bo2bo$17b2o10bo64b5o10bo62bob2o2bo10bo58b2o6bo12b
o58b2o6bo12bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b
2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo
52b2o25bo55bo2bobobo5b2o9bo52b2o25bo55bo2bobobo5b2o9bo67b2o10bo67b2o10b
o67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo58b2o19bo67b2o10bo53b3o11b2o10bo67b2o10bo
67b2o10bo67b2o10bo67b2o10bo61b3o3b2o10bo67b2o10bo59b2o3b5o10bo61bo5b2o
10bo67b2o10bo$14bo3bo9bobo67bo9bobo61b2o2b2o10bobo64bo12bobo64bo12bob
o63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9b
obo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3b
o9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo60bo16bobo54bo2b2o18bobo60bo16bobo54bo2b
2o18bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo59b
3o3bo11bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bo
bo63bo3bo9bobo60bo2bo3bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo61bo5bo9bobo63bo3bo9bobo63bo
3bo9bobo$29bobo62bo2bo11bobo64bo12bobo60b2o2bo12bobo60b2o2bo12bobo77b
obo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo
77bobo77bobo59bo17bobo54bobo20bobo59bo17bobo54bobo20bobo77bobo77bobo77b
obo77bobo77bobo58b2o17bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77bobo77b
obo61bo3bo11bobo77bobo77bobo$14bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o78b2o60b4o14b2o60b
4o14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b
2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61b
obo14b2o61bobo14b2o78b2o78b2o78b2o78b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b
2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61b
obo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo14b2o61bobo
14b2o61bobo14b2o$15bo14bo64bo14bo79bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo
64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14b
o64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo79bo79bo79bo79bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo
14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64b
o14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo64bo14bo$24b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b4o2bobo71b
4o2bobo71b4o2bobo$12b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10b
o3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b
2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2o
bo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10b
o3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b
2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2o
bo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10b
o3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b
2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo60b2o10bo3b2obo$12bobo8bo5b
o62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8b
o5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bob
o8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62b
obo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo
62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo
5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo
8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo62bobo8bo5bo$13bo10bo3bo64b
o10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10b
o3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3b
o64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64b
o10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10b
o3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3b
o64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64bo10bo3bo64b
o10bo3bo$14b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b
2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o
9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b
2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o
67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b
2o67b2o9b2o67b2o9b2o$15b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo
73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o
3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b
3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo
73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo73b3o3bo$16b2o
3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b
2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o
73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b
2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o
3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b
2o3b2o$15b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o
71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b
2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o
5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b
2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o
71b2o5b2o71b2o5b2o$16b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o
3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b
2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o
73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b
2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o
3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o73b2o3b2o$17b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b
5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b
5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b
5o75b5o75b5o75b5o75b5o$18b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b3o77b
3o77b3o77b3o$19bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo
79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79b
o79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo79bo!
I used one of those results to make a synthesis.

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x = 469, y = 83, rule = B3/S23
66bo$65bo$65b3o5$51bo$50bo$50b3o5$52bo$33bo17bo$34bo16b3o$32b3o16$272b
2o$272b2o3$256bo$255bobo192bo$45b2o208b2o192bobo$44bobo206b2o194b2o17b
o$46bo207bo24bo167b2o17b2o$254bob2o20b2o168bo18b2o$59b2o194bo2bob2o16b
obo167bob2o$58b2o198bobo188bo2bob2o$60bo196bo2bo191bobo$258b2o4b2o185b
o2bo$264b2o186b2o4b2o$22b3o433b2o$24bo$23bo$17b2o$16bobo$18bo27$b2o$o
bo$2bo!
I am tentatively considering myself back.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by creeperman7002 » October 15th, 2021, 6:05 pm

We have another new xs15 after over 5 months (it was found today at 18:25:56 UTC by etmoonshade).

Soup:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bboobbbooboboobb$
bboboobbooboooob$
bobobbbobbbbboob$
bbbobbobbbbboobb$
ooboobbooobobbbo$
obbobbobooooobob$
obooboboobbooboo$
bboooboooooobobo$
bbooobobbobobbbb$
bbboobboobbbooob$
bobbbooboboboobo$
obbbobooobboobbb$
ooobbobooooobooo$
boobooboboooooob$
obobobboooooboob$
obbbbobboobboooo!
Only 8 left to go!

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x = 46, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
23bo$21b3o$20bo$21bo$22bo$20bobo$19bobo$19bo17b2o$20bo16bo$19b2o17bo$
36bobo$8b2obo23bobo$7bo2b2o22bobo$6bobo25bo$5bobo27bo$5bo30bo$6bo19b2o
7b2o$7bo19bo$6b2o18bo$25bo$24bo$23bo$22bo$21bo$20bo$6bo12bo24b2o$5bob
o10bo16b2o6bobo$4bo2bo9bo18bo5bo$3bo3bob2o6b2o17bob2obo$obo5bobo26bob
2o$2o6$11b2o14bobo$11bo15b2obo$12bo17bo$13bo16b3o$12b2o19bo$14b2o16bo
$14bobo14bo$17bobo10bo$18b2o10b2o!
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » October 16th, 2021, 12:05 am

I made a soup-based synthesis for the newly natural xs16.

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x = 436, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
409bo$407b2o$408b2o$o$b2o$2o5$263b2o$263b2o2$24bo243bo116b2o$12bobo8bo
243bobo115b2o$13b2o8b3o100b2o140bo$13bo112b2o9b2o251bo$136bo2bo114bobo
132bobo$136bo2bo115b2o133bo$137b2o116bo$376bobo$377b2o$377bo3$260bo$
261b2o$141b2o117b2o$141bobo248bo$141bo250bo$392bo2$387b2o$265bo120bo2b
o$265b2o120b2o$264bobo22$434bo$433b2o$433bobo!
I am tentatively considering myself back.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2021, 6:47 pm

mniemiec wrote:
October 15th, 2021, 1:12 pm
When I search Catalogue for soups that make rare and exotic objects to find predecessors that may be amenable to glider syntheses, I often notice that a high percentage of soups that make the object do so by converging to the same predecessor, which is often difficult to synthesize...
Yeah, the "index fossils" that have a bottleneck that's difficult to synthesize are pretty disappointing. At first you think there are lots of soups to choose from and then it's really all the same thing a few ticks in.

That's when you find out that it's an index fossil, I suppose -- it's an exotic object that serves as a reliable sign that a soup has converged to some predecessor that's functionally identical to what every other soup came up with.

On the other hand, in C1 soups, the only common way I can think of for a pattern to be a bottleneck (likely to show up multiple times) is if it's very low population, consisting of only a few clusters -- and things like that are at least easier to synthesize than your average 16x16 space dust.

Another still life showed up on Catagolue today for the first time that I would expect to be an index fossil -- i.e., it will turn out to come from the same exact set of three clusters, if it ever shows up again at all. The predecessor is

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x = 15, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
3bo$b3o$o$b2o$2bo4$13b2o$13b2o10$13bo$12bobo$11bobo$12bo!
and eventually that turns into a whole pile of junk plus

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x = 51, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
25b3o2$23bo5bo$23bo5bo$23bo5bo2$25b3o4$14b2o$3b3o8b2o6$b2o$o2bo$b2o$
31b2o$30bo2bo$31b2o$48b3o4$33b2o$16b2o4bo10b2o$15bo6bo$18bo3bo$16b2o3$
32b2ob2o$32bo3bo$33b3o!
-- which at least implies a synthesis that's slightly less ridiculous than the cleanup you'd need after synthesizing the bottleneck!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by MathAndCode » October 17th, 2021, 12:32 am

dvgrn wrote:
October 16th, 2021, 6:47 pm
-- which at least implies a synthesis that's slightly less ridiculous than the cleanup you'd need after synthesizing the bottleneck!
I was able to make a synthesis from a later part of that reaction.

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x = 971, y = 107, rule = B3/S23
337bobo$337b2o$338bo$317bo$315bobo$316b2o7$350bo$350bobo$350b2o12$325b
o390bo$326b2o388bo$325b2o389bo2$712b3o3b3o2$716bo$716bo$716bo3$966b2o$
710b2o253bo2bo$709bo2bo252b2obo$709b2obo253bob2o$710bob2o11bo240bo3bo$
710bo3bo9b2o237b2obob2o$325b3o5b3o371b2obob2o10bobo237bobobo$327bo380b
obobo251bobobo$326bo381bobobo248b2obobob2o$25b2o678b2obobob2o247b2ob2o
$b2o22bobo250b2o425b2ob2o$obo22bo253b2o$2bo275bo57bo$335bobo622b2o$
335bobo366b2o254b2o$31b2o303bo367b2o$31bobo929bo$31bo675bo254bobo$706b
obo253bobo$706bobo254bo$707bo2$952b3o$954bo$953bo14$405bo$404b2o$404bo
bo14$400b2o$399b2o$401bo11$389bo$388b2o$388bobo!
The cleanup looks improvable—but not easily improvable.
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