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### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 13th, 2016, 6:46 pm**

by **Apple Bottom**

Second copy of

68P32.1 in D4_+1:

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```
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
oobobboooobbooobooobboooobboboo$
obbboobboboooobbboooobobboobbbo$
obbbbbbbobbooooooooobbobbbbbbbo$
oobbbboooooobbbobbboooooobbbboo$
obbooooooobobooooobobooooooobbo$
ooooobooobbobooboobobbooobooooo$
oobbbbbobbooooooooooobbobbbbboo$
ooboooobobbbbooooobbbbobooooboo$
bbboobbbbbooboooooboobbbbboobbb$
ooobobbboooobbbobbboooobbbobooo$
booboboobbboobbobboobbbooboboob$
booooobobooobooooobooobobooooob$
bbbbobboooobobbbbboboooobbobbbb$
bobbboobooobbbbobbbboooboobbbob$
bbboobobbooboooooooboobboboobbb$
booooooooooboooboooboooooooooob$
bbboobobbooboooooooboobboboobbb$
bobbboobooobbbbobbbboooboobbbob$
bbbbobboooobobbbbboboooobbobbbb$
booooobobooobooooobooobobooooob$
booboboobbboobbobboobbbooboboob$
ooobobbboooobbbobbboooobbbobooo$
bbboobbbbbooboooooboobbbbboobbb$
ooboooobobbbbooooobbbbobooooboo$
oobbbbbobbooooooooooobbobbbbboo$
ooooobooobbobooboobobbooobooooo$
obbooooooobobooooobobooooooobbo$
oobbbboooooobbbobbboooooobbbboo$
obbbbbbbobbooooooooobbobbbbbbbo$
obbboobboboooobbboooobobboobbbo$
oobobboooobbooobooobboooobboboo!
```

The first copy turned up back in late March.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 14th, 2016, 4:10 am**

by **mniemiec**

Extrementhusiast wrote:Five of the most expensive 15-bitters reduced: ...

Wonderful! Two of these (15.420 (#2) and 15.408 (#4)) can be further reduced by 1 glider by using constellations:

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```
x = 196, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
84bo15bo$82bobo14bo$83boo14b3o$$130boo28boo28boo$131bobbo26bobbo26bobb
o$131bobobo25bobobo25bobobo$130boobbo25boobbo25boobbo$131bo29bo29bo$
131bobo27bobo27bobo$132boo28boo28boo$96bo$41bo53bo$42bo19bo29bobb3o$
40b3o18bobo27bobo$61bobo27bobo$37b3o22bo29bo$39bo$38bo5$3bobo132boo28b
oo$4boo18boo18boo18boo28boo27boo13boo13boo13boo$4bo4bobo12boo18boo18b
oo28boo26bobbo26bobbo15b3o$9boo23bo19bo19bo29bo18boo28boo16bo$4boo4bo
22bobo17bobo17bobo27bobo43b3o20bo$3bobo26bobbo16bobbo16bobbo26bobbo45b
o$5bo27boo18boo18boo28boo45bo12$46bo$44bobo$45boo36boo$33boo28boo15boo
bbo$33boo28boo16bobo$81boboo$9bobbo24bo29bo14bobbo$7bobobbobo22bo29bo
15bobo$8boobboo23bo18bobo8bo16bo$57boo$57bo$$58boo$oo57boo$boo55bo$o$
55boo$56boo$55bo!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 15th, 2016, 11:51 am**

by **BobShemyakin**

Goldtiger997 wrote:mniemiec wrote:All but one of the above syntheses (#4) improve the state of the art. Congratulations! 6 of them can be slightly improved, by tightening up initial still-life synthesis and/or final cleanup:

Thanks. I'm not currently trying to optimize the syntheses I make, just make them below 15 gliders. I stop improving them once they're below 15 gliders.

Here are 5 15-bit still lifes with a price of less than 1 glider/bit.

15.1319 (15G->13G):

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```
x = 184, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
8$21bobo$22b2o$22bo3$10bo77bo$11b2o41bobo21bo10b2o7bo19bo29bo19bo$10b
2o43b2o19b3o9b2o6b3o17b3o27b3o17b3o$55bo19bo19bo19bo29bo19bo$75b2o18b
2o19bo29bo19bo$52b3o60b2o28b2o20bo$42b2o10bo7b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o28b2o
14bo3b2o$38b2o2bo10bo4b2o2bo15b2o2bo9b2o4b2o2bo15b2o2bo15bo9b2o2bo16bo
2bo$28b3o7bobobo15bobobo15bobobo8bobo4bobobo15bobobo13bobo9bobobo17bob
o$16bo11bo12bo19bo19bo11bo7bo19bo15b2o2b2o8bo19bo$17b2o10bo65b2o43bobo
$16b2o77bobo44bo3b2o$95bo49b2o$147bo$16b3o$18bo$17bo!
```

15.1317 (16G->11G):

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```
x = 99, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
6$23bo$24bo$22b3o42bo$68b2o$30bo36b2o$29bo44b2o$29b3o40bobobo$18bobo
49bobobo$19b2o50b2o16b2o$13b2o4bo26b2o18b2o18b2o2bo$12bobo30bobo17bobo
17bob2o$14bo5b2o22bo19bo6bo12bo$21b2o20bo19bo5b2o12bo$20bo21bo19bo7b2o
10bo$39bobo17bobo17bobo$39b2o18b2o18b2o$71b2o$15b2o54bobo$16b2o53bo$
15bo!
```

15.1287 (16G->11G):

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```
x = 167, y = 143, rule = B3/S23
8bo$9bo$7b3o8$o$b2o$2o40$137bo$136bo$136b3o$148bo$137b3o7bo$139bo2bobo
2b3o$138bo4b2o14b2o$134bo8bo15bo$134b2o25bo$120b2o11bobo4b2o18b2o$120b
o19bo19bo$121bo19bo19bo$122bo2b2o15bo2b2o15bo2b2o$123bo2bo16bo2bo16bo
2bo$124b2o18b2o18b2o15$36b2o$37b2o$36bo13b2o$49b2o$51bo$47b2o$46bobo$
48bo52$109bo$108b2o$108bobo!
```

15.1253 (16G->12G):

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```
x = 171, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
7$17bobo24bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo19bo$18b2o23bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bo
bo17bobo17bobo$18bo24b2o18b2o18b2o11bo6b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o$23bobo15b2o
18b2o18b2o14bo3b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o$23b2o17bo19bo19bo12b3o4bo10bo3b2o3bo
10bo3b2o3bo14b2o3bo$17b3o4bo16bo19bo19bo9b3o7bo10bobo3bo2bo10bobo3bo2b
o16bo2bo$19bo20bo19bo19bo12bo6bo12bo4bobo12bo4bobo17bobo$18bo21b2o18b
2o14b2o2b2o10bo3b2o2b2o17bo10b2o7bo19bo$76bo19bo32bobo$56b2o16bobo17bo
bo17b2o15bo2b2o$55b2o17b2o18b2o4b3o11b2o18b2o$7b3o13b2o27b2o3bo44bo$9b
o13bobo25bobo47bo3bo$8bo14bo29bo50b2o$104bobo!
```

15.1215 (16G->14G):

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```
x = 89, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
29bo$29bobo$29b2o6$9bo$9bobo$9b2o2b3o$13bo$14bo4$12b3o$12bo$13bo3$41bo
b2o16bob2o16bob2o$41b2obo16b2obo16b2obo$45b2o18b2o18b2o$46bo19bo19bo$
45bo19bo19bo$45b2o18b2o18bobo$bo58bo13bo11bobo$b2o58b2o6b2o2bo13bo$obo
13b3o5b2o34b2o6b2o3b3o$16bo6b2o45bo6b3o$17bo7bo36bo14bo$62b2o8b2o4bo$
61bobo4b2o2bobo$69b2obo$68bo!
```

The challenge proposed by the Goldtiger997, very interesting. According to my data from the 15-bit still lifes have 51 cost equal to 1 glider/bit and 93 cost great 1 glider/bit. The highest cost at 15.619 (33G).

Bob Shemyakin

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 15th, 2016, 12:29 pm**

by **BlinkerSpawn**

I'm not big on components but courtesy of

this post and your immediate response we have a promising 13-glider base for 15.619:

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```
x = 58, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o18b2o28b2o$o2bo16bo2bo26bo2bo$2b2o2bo15b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o$3bobobo2bo
12bobobo8bo2bo2bo10bobobo$3bo2bo3bobo10bobo27bobo$2b2o6b2o10b2ob2o27b
2o2$6b3o$6bo$3bo3bo$3b2o$2bobo!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 15th, 2016, 1:33 pm**

by **chris_c**

BobShemyakin wrote:
15.1317 (16G->11G):

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```
x = 99, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
6$23bo$24bo$22b3o42bo$68b2o$30bo36b2o$29bo44b2o$29b3o40bobobo$18bobo
49bobobo$19b2o50b2o16b2o$13b2o4bo26b2o18b2o18b2o2bo$12bobo30bobo17bobo
17bob2o$14bo5b2o22bo19bo6bo12bo$21b2o20bo19bo5b2o12bo$20bo21bo19bo7b2o
10bo$39bobo17bobo17bobo$39b2o18b2o18b2o$71b2o$15b2o54bobo$16b2o53bo$
15bo!
```

In this synthesis (and also 15.1287 (16G->11G)) the gliders in white are not compatible if you rewind:

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```
x = 37, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
8.A$9.2A$8.2A$15.2C$13.A.C.C$11.A.A.C$12.2A17.C$7.2A20.2C$6.A.A21.2C
2.2C$5.A6.C21.C.C$4.A5.2C22.C$3.A7.2C$A.A$2A$12.2A$12.A.A$12.A!
```

I noticed that same problem happens quite a few times in the file "still14.rar" that was

posted last October. Some time ago I wrote a glider synthesis analyser but I never found time to polish it up and publish it. With the current interest in glider synthesis I really should.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 15th, 2016, 10:36 pm**

by **mniemiec**

BobShemyakin wrote:15.1317 (16G->11G): ...

chris_c wrote:In this synthesis (and also 15.1287 (16G->11G)) the gliders in white are not compatible if you rewind: ...

Eek! This is probably my fault. I use that 5-glider add-siamese-carrier component in many syntheses; I had never realized that it was invalid. This is not a serious problem, because it has since been obsoleted by the following 5-glider component:

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```
x = 27, y = 13
7bo$6bo$6b3o$$6bo$5boo$5bobobbobo$10boo$oobo7bo8booboo$oboo10bo5boboo
bbo$8bo4boo10boo$7boo4bobo$7bobo!
```

chris_c wrote:I noticed that same problem happens quite a few times in the file "still14.rar" that was posted last October.

I will have to go back through all my syntheses and check for this also.

chris_c wrote:Some time ago I wrote a glider synthesis analyser but I never found time to polish it up and publish it. With the current interest in glider synthesis I really should.

This would be quite useful. It would be very nice to have an automated tool to verify all the syntheses in my database; there are currently over 11000 of them, and checking them by hand is very time-consuming and error-prone.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 3:15 am**

by **BobShemyakin**

mniemiec wrote:BobShemyakin wrote:15.1317 (16G->11G): ...

chris_c wrote:In this synthesis (and also 15.1287 (16G->11G)) the gliders in white are not compatible if you rewind: ...

Eek! This is probably my fault. I use that 5-glider add-siamese-carrier component in many syntheses; I had never realized that it was invalid. This is not a serious problem, because it has since been obsoleted by the following 5-glider component:

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```
x = 27, y = 13
7bo$6bo$6b3o$$6bo$5boo$5bobobbobo$10boo$oobo7bo8booboo$oboo10bo5boboo
bbo$8bo4boo10boo$7boo4bobo$7bobo!
```

chris_c wrote:I noticed that same problem happens quite a few times in the file "still14.rar" that was posted last October.

I will have to go back through all my syntheses and check for this also.

chris_c wrote:Some time ago I wrote a glider synthesis analyser but I never found time to polish it up and publish it. With the current interest in glider synthesis I really should.

This would be quite useful. It would be very nice to have an automated tool to verify all the syntheses in my database; there are currently over 11000 of them, and checking them by hand is very time-consuming and error-prone.

Thank! This and my fault. I forgot the commandment of Reagan's speech in Russian: "doveray no proveray" (trust but verify). Quote corrected versions 15.1317 and 15.1287:

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```
x = 167, y = 181, rule = B3/S23
8bo$9bo$7b3o8$o$b2o$2o37$138bo$139b2o$138b2o$143bo$141b2o$142b2o$137bo
$138b2o7bo$137b2o4bo3bobo$144b2ob2o10b2o$143b2o14bo$161bo$120b2o18b2o
18b2o$120bo19bo19bo$121bo19bo19bo$122bo2b2o15bo2b2o15bo2b2o$123bo2bo
16bo2bo16bo2bo$124b2o18b2o18b2o15$36b2o$37b2o$36bo13b2o$49b2o$51bo$47b
2o$46bobo$48bo52$109bo$108b2o$108bobo19$53bo$54bo$52b3o2$60bo$59bo$59b
3o39bobo$48bobo50b2o4bobo$49b2o51bo4b2o19b2o$43b2o4bo26b2o18b2o10bo16b
2o2bo$42bobo30bobo17bobo7bo18bob2o$44bo5b2o22bo19bo9b2o17bo$51b2o20bo
19bo5bobo2bobo15bo$50bo21bo19bo6b2o20bo$69bobo17bobo8bo17bobo$69b2o18b
2o27b2o$100b3o$45b2o53bo$46b2o53bo$45bo!
```

Promise so soon to fix all the errors of this kind, including in still14.rar

Bob Shemyakin

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 3:45 am**

by **BobShemyakin**

BlinkerSpawn wrote:I'm not big on components but courtesy of

this post and your immediate response we have a promising 13-glider base for 15.619:

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```
x = 58, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o18b2o28b2o$o2bo16bo2bo26bo2bo$2b2o2bo15b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o$3bobobo2bo
12bobobo8bo2bo2bo10bobobo$3bo2bo3bobo10bobo27bobo$2b2o6b2o10b2ob2o27b
2o2$6b3o$6bo$3bo3bo$3b2o$2bobo!
```

Thank! Unfortunately this mechanism reduced to 16G:

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```
x = 203, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
121bo$119b2o$120b2o7$106bo$104b2o$105b2o4$98bo$99bo$97b3o$48bo44b3o$
47bo19bo27bo11bo17b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o$47b3o16bobo25bo11bobo16bo19bo19bo
19bo7bobo$bo64bobo37bobo18bo2bo16bo2bo16bo2bo16bo2bo2b2o$2bo47b3o14bo
39bo18b5o15b5o15b5o15b5o3bo$3o47bo$20b2o18b2o9bo8b2o38b2o26bo19bo19bo
19bo8bo$2bo17bobo17bobo17bobo37bobo24bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo2b2o2bo$b2o
18bo19bo19bo39bo26bo19bo18b2o18b2o3bobob3o$bobo140b2o46bo$140bo3bobo$
140b2o2bo55b3o$139bobo58bo$201bo3$87bo$87b2o$86bobo10$72bo$72b2o$71bob
o!
```

Now the highest cost 15.441 (31G).

Bob Shemyakin

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 7:11 am**

by **Apple Bottom**

This xq4 showed up in D8_1:

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```
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
obooooooboobooooooobooboooooobo$
bobbbboobbobbbbbbbbbobboobbbbob$
obobooooobbboobbboobbbooooobobo$
obbbbbooboobooooooobooboobbbbbo$
obobbbooooooobobobooooooobbbobo$
obobbbobobbbbobobobbbbobobbbobo$
oooooobbooobooooooobooobboooooo$
ooooobboooobbooboobboooobbooooo$
bboboooobboobbobobboobboooobobb$
obbooboobooooboooboooobooboobbo$
oobooboooobbbbbbbbbbboooobooboo$
bbbbobbboobobbobobboboobbbobbbb$
obooobobbobbobbobbobbobbobooobo$
oboobooobbbbbobbbobbbbboooboobo$
obbooboooobobbbobbbobooooboobbo$
obboboobbobbobobobobbobboobobbo$
obbooboooobobbbobbbobooooboobbo$
oboobooobbbbbobbbobbbbboooboobo$
obooobobbobbobbobbobbobbobooobo$
bbbbobbboobobbobobboboobbbobbbb$
oobooboooobbbbbbbbbbboooobooboo$
obbooboobooooboooboooobooboobbo$
bboboooobboobbobobboobboooobobb$
ooooobboooobbooboobboooobbooooo$
oooooobbooobooooooobooobboooooo$
obobbbobobbbbobobobbbbobobbbobo$
obobbbooooooobobobooooooobbbobo$
obbbbbooboobooooooobooboobbbbbo$
obobooooobbboobbboobbbooooobobo$
bobbbboobbobbbbbbbbbobboobbbbob$
obooooooboobooooooobooboooooobo!
```

Unlike some previous four-*WSS xq4s, I think this one

*is* a proper flotilla; the ships are close enough to each other that there's cells in between the MWSSes and LWSSes that are influenced by both:

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```
x = 23, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
b3o15b3o$o2bo15bo2bo$3bo3b3o3b3o3bo$3bo2bo2bo3bo2bo2bo$obo6bo3bo6bobo$
5bo3bo3bo3bo$9bo3bo$6bobo5bobo!
```

But the

LifeWiki article isn't as clear on what precisely constitutes a flotilla as it could be.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 8:46 am**

by **BobShemyakin**

Here are 6 15-bit still lifes with costing less than 1 glider/bit.

(15.1217, 15.1151, 15.1131, 15.1074, 15.1037, 15.1036)

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```
x = 135, y = 248, rule = B3/S23
36bo$37b2o$36b2o2$43bo5bo$9bo27b3o4b2obobo$7bobo29bo3b2o3b2o$8b2o28bo
22b2o$4b2o55bo2b2o$3bobo21b2o18b2o14b2obo$5bo2bobo16bo13b3o3bo19bo$8b
2o18bo14bo4bo19bo$9bo3bo12bobo13bo3bobo17bobo$12b2o11bobo17bobo17bobo$
12bobo11bo19bo19bo26$64bobo$64b2o$65bo8$3bobo$4b2o$4bo3$32bo$31bo$31b
3o67bobo5bobo$29bo71b2o6b2o4b2o$30bo71bo7bo4bobo$28b3o77bo6bo$107b2o
24b2o$82b2o18b2o3bobo24bo$83bo19bo29bo$82bo19bo29bo$31bo50b2o18b2o28b
2o$30b2o46b2o3bo14b2o3bo24b2o3bo$30bobo46bo2bo16bo2bo26bo2bo$26b3o50bo
bo17bobo27bobo$28bo51bo19bo29bo$27bo$41bo$41b2o13bo$40bobo12b2o$55bobo
$44b3o$46bo$45bo34$5bo$3bobo$4b2o2$9bobo$9b2o$10bo2$66b2o$6bo20b2o18b
2o17bobo$4bobo21bo19bo19bo$5b2o6bobo12bob2o16bob2o16bob2o$13b2o14bob3o
9bo5bob3o15bob3o$14bo19bo9bo9bo19bo$6bo26b2o7b3o8b2o18b2o$7bo7b3o$5b3o
7bo23b2o3b2o$16bo21bobo3bobo$40bo3bo$4b3o$4bo$5bo18$21bo$19b2o16bo19bo
19bo19bo19bo$20b2o14bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo$12bobo21bobo17bobo17b
obo17bobo17bobo$13b2o20b2obobo14b2obobo14b2obob2o13b2obob2o13b2obob2o$
13bo3bo21b2o18b2o18bo2bo16bo2bo16bo2bo$16b2o45bobo15b2o18b2o18bobo$16b
obo44b2o41bo15bo$64bo39b2o$4bo90b2o8b2o$4b2o59b2o29b2o2bo$3bobo58b2o
29bo3b2o$66bo32bobo$106b3o$106bo$107bo$103b3o$105bo$104bo20$55bo$5b2o
10bo38bo$4bobobo7bo37b3o2bo$6bobobo5b3o40bobo$8b2o49b2o13b2o$14bo17b2o
18b2o19bobo$12b2o19bo19bo18bo$13b2o13b2obo16b2obo16b2obo$21bo7bob2o16b
ob2o16bob2o$20b2o7bo2bo16bo2bo16bo2bo$20bobo7b2o18b2o18b2o25$3bo$4bo$
2b3o37bo$41bo$41b3o5bobo$49b2o$50bo$bo$2bo15bobo21b2o7b2o$3o15b2o23b2o
5b2o$19bo22bo9bo12b2o$bo24b2o18b2o17bobo$b2o24bo19bo19bo$obo23bo19bo
19bo$26b2o18b2o18b2o$27bo2b2o15bo2b2o15bo2b2o$27bobobo15bobobo15bobobo
$12bobo13bo19bo19bo$12b2o$13bo3$12b2o$12bobo$12bo!
```

Bob Shemyakin

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 9:33 am**

by **mniemiec**

Apple Bottom wrote:This xq4 showed up in D8_1: ...

Unlike some previous four-*WSS xq4s, I think this one

*is* a proper flotilla; the ships are close enough to each other that there's cells in between the MWSSes and LWSSes that are influenced by both: ...

But the

LifeWiki article isn't as clear on what precisely constitutes a flotilla as it could be.

The MWSS on MWSS is a proper flotilla, as the two MWSS affect each other. However, the MWSS and LWSS are far enough apart that they do not form a single object (e.g. they share no cells in common, and there is no cell in either one that is affected by the other). Their connection is at least as tenuous as two adjacent tubs or two adjacent blinkers (and actually even more so, because empty cells that the two share in common are not shared at the same time), and those aren't considered objects, or even pseudo-objects.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 9:58 am**

by **Apple Bottom**

mniemiec wrote:The MWSS on MWSS is a proper flotilla, as the two MWSS affect each other. However, the MWSS and LWSS are far enough apart that they do not form a single object (e.g. they share no cells in common, and there is no cell in either one that is affected by the other). Their connection is at least as tenuous as two adjacent tubs or two adjacent blinkers (and actually even more so, because empty cells that the two share in common are not shared at the same time), and those aren't considered objects, or even pseudo-objects.

Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification!

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 8:44 pm**

by **Kazyan**

What appears to be a new p6 appeared without ceremony a while back:

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```
x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
8b2o10b2o$8b2o10b2o3$5bo2b3o3b2o3b3o2bo$4bo4bo3bo2bo3bo4bo$7b2o3bo4bo
3b2o$6bo6bo2bo6bo$2o2bobo7b2o7bobo2b2o$2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$4bo20bo2$6bo16b
o$5bobo14bobo$4bo3bo12bo3bo$4bo3bo12bo3bo$5bobo14bobo$6bo16bo2$4bo20bo
$2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$2o2bobo7b2o7bobo2b2o$6bo6bo2bo6bo$7b2o3bo4bo3b2o$4bo
4bo3bo2bo3bo4bo$5bo2b3o3b2o3b3o2bo3$8b2o10b2o$8b2o10b2o!
```

With some inspection and modification:

Code: Select all

```
x = 28, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
7b2o10b2o$5bo2bo10bo2bo$3o22b3o$b3o4bo10bo4b3o$8bo10bo$5bo2bo3b4o3bo2b
o$6b2o4b4o4b2o$12b4o!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 16th, 2016, 9:33 pm**

by **dvgrn**

Kazyan wrote:What appears to be a new p6 appeared without ceremony a while back...

Found the

soup via the

Catagolue link, via the

Catagolue search page and

biggiemac's selection-to-apgcode script.

The soup collapses quickly to form the oscillator. I suppose constructibility might be lurking somewhere in there between T=6 and T=14 -- the 10-11 range looks vaguely promising, but probably pretty far beyond my synthesis skills.

Code: Select all

```
x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bo2b3o3bob2o4b2obo3b3o2bo$o2bobo4bobobo2bobobo4bobo2bo$3b2obo2bob3ob2o
b3obo2bob2o$b2ob2o2b2o2b2ob2ob2o2b2o2b2ob2o$ob5o3b2ob6ob2o3b5obo$2ob2o
bobo2bob2o2b2obo2bobob2ob2o$obob2o2b2o2bob4obo2b2o2b2obobo$7bob2o4b2o
4b2obo$3bob2o2b2o2b6o2b2o2b2obo$2b2o2b6o2bo2bo2b6o2b2o$2o2bo2b5o8b5o2b
o2b2o$2bob2o3b2o3b4o3b2o3b2obo$4o2bo7b4o7bo2b4o$ob4o2bo5bo2bo5bo2b4obo
$bo2b3ob2ob4o2b4ob2ob3o2bo$2b3ob3o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b3ob3o$2b3ob3o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b3ob3o$bo2b3ob2ob4o2b4ob2ob3o2bo$ob4o2bo5bo2bo5bo2b4obo$4o2bo7b4o
7bo2b4o$2bob2o3b2o3b4o3b2o3b2obo$2o2bo2b5o8b5o2bo2b2o$2b2o2b6o2bo2bo2b
6o2b2o$3bob2o2b2o2b6o2b2o2b2obo$7bob2o4b2o4b2obo$obob2o2b2o2bob4obo2b
2o2b2obobo$2ob2obobo2bob2o2b2obo2bobob2ob2o$ob5o3b2ob6ob2o3b5obo$b2ob
2o2b2o2b2ob2ob2o2b2o2b2ob2o$3b2obo2bob3ob2ob3obo2bob2o$o2bobo4bobobo2b
obobo4bobo2bo$bo2b3o3bob2o4b2obo3b3o2bo!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 17th, 2016, 2:02 am**

by **Extrementhusiast**

And here's some different modification of that P6:

Code: Select all

```
x = 50, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
18b2o10b2o$18b2o10b2o3$15bo2b3o3b2o3b3o2bo$14bo4bo3bo2bo3bo4bo$17b2o3b
o4bo3b2o$16bo6bo2bo6bo$10b2o2bobo7b2o7bobo2b2o$10b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$14bo
20bo2$16bo16bo$15bobo14bobo$14bo3bo12bo3bo$14bo3bo12bo3bo$15bobo14bobo
$16bo16bo2$18bo12bo$3o14b2o2b2o4b2o2b2o14b3o$b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o4b2o2bobo
7b2o3b3o$6bo2bo6bo16bo6bo2bo$5bo4bo3b2o18b2o3bo4bo$6bo2bo3bo4bo12bo4bo
3bo2bo$b3o3b2o3b3o2bo14bo2b3o3b2o3b3o$3o44b3o2$13b2o20b2o$13b2o20b2o!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 17th, 2016, 6:01 am**

by **Apple Bottom**

And

here's the haul, too -- submitted on October 10 by thunk.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 17th, 2016, 8:28 am**

by **Goldtiger997**

Here's the next 4 15-bit still lifes from the start (15.142, 15.167, 15.178, & 15 .179)

Code: Select all

```
x = 131, y = 186, rule = B3/S23
122bo$120b2o$121b2o60$o$b2o$2o22$41bo$39b2o$40b2o$18b3o2b2o$20bob2o16b
o$19bo4bo14b2o$39bobo8$25b2o$25bobo6bo$25bo8bobo$18b3o13b2o$20bo16b2o$
19bo17bobo$37bo$20b2o$20bobo$20bo74$128b3o$128bo$129bo!
```

Code: Select all

```
x = 61, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
59bo$58bo$58b3o8$obo$b2o$bo8$31bo$32b2o$31b2o$27bo17bo$28b2o13b2o$27b
2o15b2o7$40bobo$40b2o$41bo$23b2o$24b2o$23bo$49bobo$49b2o$50bo$52b2o$
44bo7bobo$45bo6bo$43b3o2$45b2o$45bobo$45bo2$38b2o$38bobo$38bo!
```

Code: Select all

```
x = 164, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
87b2o$86b2o$78bo4b2o3bo$76bobo5b2o$77b2o4bo$73b3o$75bo15b2o$74bo15b2o$
92bo8$92b2o$87b3ob2o$89bo3bo$88bo2$125b3o$125bo$126bo39$161b2o$161bobo
$161bo6$156bo$155b2o$155bobo9$6b3o$3o5bo$2bo4bo$bo3$149b3o$149bo$150bo
!
```

Code: Select all

```
x = 74, y = 76, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o69bo$71bo$71b3o15$41bo$40bo$40b3o$34bo$35bo$33b3o2$38bo$36bob
o$37b2o$40bo$40bobo$40b2o3$37bo$36bo$36b3o$44bo$43bo$43b3o$39b3o$39bo$
40bo4$39b3o$41bo$40bo$42b3o$42bo$43bo22$72bo$71b2o$71bobo!
```

Sorry for being so slow, I was busy and had a lot of trouble with 15.167 (but it's done now

)

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 17th, 2016, 9:54 pm**

by **thunk**

Apple Bottom wrote:
And

here's the haul, too -- submitted on October 10 by thunk.

Thank you AB. Got a new computer recently, and concentrated once again on D8_1 and D8_4 which have produced some very interesting results in the past.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 18th, 2016, 6:20 am**

by **Apple Bottom**

thunk wrote:Thank you AB. Got a new computer recently, and concentrated once again on D8_1 and D8_4 which have produced some very interesting results in the past.

You're welcome, pardner. *tips hat* Credit where credit is due.

Good point about the D8 symmetries. I've pointed one of the two dedicated D2_+2 searchers I've currently got running at a new target; sorta doubt I'll find much new, but you never know. (I'll keep one D2_+2 searcher running for now to look for more copperheads.)

As for the new p6 -- worth a LifeWiki article, maybe?

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 18th, 2016, 6:23 am**

by **Gamedziner**

It appears to be infinitely extensible!

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 18th, 2016, 1:40 pm**

by **thunk**

Well, yes:

Code: Select all

```
x = 235, y = 236, rule = B3/S23
111b2o10b2o$111b2o10b2o3$108bo2b3o3b2o3b3o2bo$107bo4bo3bo2bo3bo4bo$
110b2o3bo4bo3b2o$109bo6bo2bo6bo$103b2o2bobo7b2o7bobo2b2o$103b2o2b2o18b
2o2b2o$107bo20bo2$109bo16bo$108bobo14bobo$107bo3bo12bo3bo$107bo3bo12bo
3bo$108bobo14bobo$94b2o13bo16bo13b2o$94b2o44b2o$111bo12bo$110b2o2b2o4b
2o2b2o$91bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o4b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$90bo4bo3bo2bo6bo16bo
6bo2bo3bo4bo$93b2o3bo4bo3b2o18b2o3bo4bo3b2o$92bo6bo2bo3bo4bo12bo4bo3bo
2bo6bo$86b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo14bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$86b2o2b2o52b2o2b2o$
90bo54bo$106b2o20b2o$92bo13b2o20b2o13bo$91bobo48bobo$90bo3bo46bo3bo$
90bo3bo46bo3bo$91bobo48bobo$77b2o13bo50bo13b2o$77b2o78b2o$94bo46bo$93b
2o2b2o38b2o2b2o$74bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o38b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$73bo4bo3bo
2bo6bo50bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$76b2o3bo4bo3b2o52b2o3bo4bo3b2o$75bo6bo2bo3bo4bo
46bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$69b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo48bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$69b2o2b2o
86b2o2b2o$73bo88bo$89b2o54b2o$75bo13b2o54b2o13bo$74bobo82bobo$73bo3bo
80bo3bo$73bo3bo80bo3bo$74bobo82bobo$60b2o13bo84bo13b2o$60b2o112b2o$77b
o80bo$76b2o2b2o72b2o2b2o$57bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o72b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$
56bo4bo3bo2bo6bo84bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$59b2o3bo4bo3b2o86b2o3bo4bo3b2o$58bo6b
o2bo3bo4bo80bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$52b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo82bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$
52b2o2b2o120b2o2b2o$56bo122bo$72b2o88b2o$58bo13b2o88b2o13bo$57bobo116b
obo$56bo3bo114bo3bo$56bo3bo114bo3bo$57bobo116bobo$43b2o13bo118bo13b2o$
43b2o146b2o$60bo114bo$59b2o2b2o106b2o2b2o$40bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o106b2o
2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$39bo4bo3bo2bo6bo118bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$42b2o3bo4bo3b2o120b
2o3bo4bo3b2o$41bo6bo2bo3bo4bo114bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$35b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo
116bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$35b2o2b2o154b2o2b2o$39bo156bo$55b2o122b2o$41bo
13b2o122b2o13bo$40bobo150bobo$39bo3bo148bo3bo$39bo3bo148bo3bo$40bobo
150bobo$26b2o13bo152bo13b2o$26b2o180b2o$43bo148bo$42b2o2b2o140b2o2b2o$
23bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o140b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$22bo4bo3bo2bo6bo152bo6bo2b
o3bo4bo$25b2o3bo4bo3b2o154b2o3bo4bo3b2o$24bo6bo2bo3bo4bo148bo4bo3bo2bo
6bo$18b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo150bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$18b2o2b2o188b2o2b2o$
22bo190bo$38b2o156b2o$24bo13b2o156b2o13bo$23bobo184bobo$22bo3bo182bo3b
o$22bo3bo182bo3bo$23bobo184bobo$9b2o13bo186bo13b2o$9b2o214b2o$26bo182b
o$25b2o2b2o174b2o2b2o$6bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o174b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$5bo4b
o3bo2bo6bo186bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$8b2o3bo4bo3b2o188b2o3bo4bo3b2o$7bo6bo2bo3b
o4bo182bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo184bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$b2o2b
2o222b2o2b2o$5bo224bo$21b2o190b2o$7bo13b2o190b2o13bo$6bobo218bobo$5bo
3bo216bo3bo$5bo3bo216bo3bo$6bobo218bobo$7bo13b2o190b2o13bo$21b2o190b2o
$5bo224bo$b2o2b2o222b2o2b2o$b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo184bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$
7bo6bo2bo3bo4bo182bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$8b2o3bo4bo3b2o188b2o3bo4bo3b2o$5bo4bo
3bo2bo6bo186bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$6bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o174b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$
25b2o2b2o174b2o2b2o$26bo182bo$9b2o214b2o$9b2o13bo186bo13b2o$23bobo184b
obo$22bo3bo182bo3bo$22bo3bo182bo3bo$23bobo184bobo$24bo13b2o156b2o13bo$
38b2o156b2o$22bo190bo$18b2o2b2o188b2o2b2o$18b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo150bo2b
3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$24bo6bo2bo3bo4bo148bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$25b2o3bo4bo3b2o154b
2o3bo4bo3b2o$22bo4bo3bo2bo6bo152bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$23bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o
140b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$42b2o2b2o140b2o2b2o$43bo148bo$26b2o180b2o$26b2o
13bo152bo13b2o$40bobo150bobo$39bo3bo148bo3bo$39bo3bo148bo3bo$40bobo
150bobo$41bo13b2o122b2o13bo$55b2o122b2o$39bo156bo$35b2o2b2o154b2o2b2o$
35b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo116bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$41bo6bo2bo3bo4bo114bo4bo3b
o2bo6bo$42b2o3bo4bo3b2o120b2o3bo4bo3b2o$39bo4bo3bo2bo6bo118bo6bo2bo3bo
4bo$40bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o106b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$59b2o2b2o106b2o2b2o$
60bo114bo$43b2o146b2o$43b2o13bo118bo13b2o$57bobo116bobo$56bo3bo114bo3b
o$56bo3bo114bo3bo$57bobo116bobo$58bo13b2o88b2o13bo$72b2o88b2o$56bo122b
o$52b2o2b2o120b2o2b2o$52b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo82bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o$58bo
6bo2bo3bo4bo80bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$59b2o3bo4bo3b2o86b2o3bo4bo3b2o$56bo4bo3bo
2bo6bo84bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$57bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o72b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo$76b
2o2b2o72b2o2b2o$77bo80bo$60b2o112b2o$60b2o13bo84bo13b2o$74bobo82bobo$
73bo3bo80bo3bo$73bo3bo80bo3bo$74bobo82bobo$75bo13b2o54b2o13bo$89b2o54b
2o$73bo88bo$69b2o2b2o86b2o2b2o$69b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo48bo2b3o3b2o7bobo
2b2o$75bo6bo2bo3bo4bo46bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$76b2o3bo4bo3b2o52b2o3bo4bo3b2o$
73bo4bo3bo2bo6bo50bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$74bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o38b2o2bobo7b2o3b
3o2bo$93b2o2b2o38b2o2b2o$94bo46bo$77b2o78b2o$77b2o13bo50bo13b2o$91bobo
48bobo$90bo3bo46bo3bo$90bo3bo46bo3bo$91bobo48bobo$92bo13b2o20b2o13bo$
106b2o20b2o$90bo54bo$86b2o2b2o52b2o2b2o$86b2o2bobo7b2o3b3o2bo14bo2b3o
3b2o7bobo2b2o$92bo6bo2bo3bo4bo12bo4bo3bo2bo6bo$93b2o3bo4bo3b2o18b2o3bo
4bo3b2o$90bo4bo3bo2bo6bo16bo6bo2bo3bo4bo$91bo2b3o3b2o7bobo2b2o4b2o2bob
o7b2o3b3o2bo$110b2o2b2o4b2o2b2o$111bo12bo$94b2o44b2o$94b2o13bo16bo13b
2o$108bobo14bobo$107bo3bo12bo3bo$107bo3bo12bo3bo$108bobo14bobo$109bo
16bo2$107bo20bo$103b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$103b2o2bobo7b2o7bobo2b2o$109bo6bo
2bo6bo$110b2o3bo4bo3b2o$107bo4bo3bo2bo3bo4bo$108bo2b3o3b2o3b3o2bo3$
111b2o10b2o$111b2o10b2o!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 18th, 2016, 7:39 pm**

by **Goldtiger997**

I have not been able to synthesise this 15-bit still-life in under 15 gliders.

Code: Select all

```
x = 13, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2$b2o$bobobo$4b2o3b2o$6b2o2bo$6bob2o!
```

Can anyone else (most likely synthetically)?

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 18th, 2016, 8:14 pm**

by **mniemiec**

Goldtiger997 wrote:I have not been able to synthesise this 15-bit still-life in under 15 gliders.

Code: Select all

```
x = 13, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2$b2o$bobobo$4b2o3b2o$6b2o2bo$6bob2o!
```

Can anyone else (most likely synthetically)?

This synthesis of 15.309 takes 14 gliders. It's based on 14.137, which had previously used an outdated version of 12.15:

Code: Select all

```
x = 113, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
53bobo$54boo$44bo9bo3bo$45bo12bobo$43b3o12boo$$58bo$18bo38boo$12bo4bo
39bobo$8boboo5b3o51boo18boo18boo$6bobobboo17boo18boo20bo19bo19bo$7boo
22bo19bo19bo19bo19bo$30bo19bo19bo19bo19bo$30boo18boo18boo18boo18boo$
28boo18boo18boo18boo18boo$29bo19bo19bo19bo19bo$11boo15bo19bo19bo19bo
19bo$7boobbobo14boo18boo18boo18boo18bobo$3o5boobo71bo9bo15boo$bbo4bo
76boo5boo$bo81boo7boo$$85bo$85boo$84bobo5b3o$94bo$93bo!
```

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 20th, 2016, 1:22 am**

by **Sphenocorona**

I spent some time trying to reduce Super pond synthesis, which was listed at 24 gliders, and got it to 13G:

Code: Select all

```
x = 157, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
115bo$116bo$114b3o6$131bo$3o2b2o123bo$2bob2o28bo29bo29bo29bo5b3o20b2o$
bo4bo26bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo26bo2bo$32bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo8b2o16bob
2obo$31bobo27bobo27bobo19b2o6bobo9bobo15bobo2bo$2b3o27bo29bo29bo19bobo
7bo10bo18bo2bo$2bo30b3o27b3o27b3o18bo8b3o27b2o$3bo31bo29bo4bo24bo29bo$
8b3o58bo$3bo4bo60b3o23bo29bo$3b2o4bo84bobo27bobo$2bobo88bo2bo26bo2bo$
94b2o28b2o$62b2o$61bobo$63bo3$132b3o$123b2o7bo$122bobo8bo$124bo!
```

I'm not sure whether the synthesis that produces it in a pseudo-still life (

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... =75#p20380) is able to do it cheaper by deleting the loaf, but I only found out about that after having completed the above. At the very least it uses a new mechanism of construction.

### Re: Soup search results

Posted: **October 20th, 2016, 3:16 am**

by **mniemiec**

Sphenocorona wrote:I spent some time trying to reduce Super pond synthesis, which was listed at 24 gliders, and got it to 13G: ...

I'm not sure whether the synthesis that produces it in a pseudo-still life (

http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... =75#p20380) is able to do it cheaper by deleting the loaf, but I only found out about that after having completed the above. At the very least it uses a new mechanism of construction.

Chris Cain created a 7-glider synthesis of this on 2015-03-01. In fact, this is the exact method used to produce the referenced pseudo-still-life; that is made using this mechanism, and simultaneously adding a loaf with 3 additional gliders. Although your new mechanism is not optimal in this case, it might provide some useful tools for synthesizing other super-sized still-lifes.

Code: Select all

```
x = 32, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
bbo$3bo$b3o13bobo$17boo$18bo3$28boo$27bobbo$26bobobbo$26boboobo$27bobb
o$28boo$$4boo$bbobobo$obobo$boo$18boo$3boo12boo$4boo13bo$3bo3$14boo$
13boo$15bo!
```