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Re: Soup search results

Post by googoIpIex » April 19th, 2019, 6:02 pm

the original soup just produces a very large blob which shrinks into that.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » April 19th, 2019, 7:03 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:The original soup should provide some clues, if you have it.
googoIpIex wrote:the original soup just produces a very large blob which shrinks into that.
If you're asking for help, it doesn't hurt to provide the link when it's requested, so people can see for themselves if any clues are available in the Very Large Blob.

I checked Goldtiger997's script this morning, and there are no three-glider syntheses of the particular Small Blob quoted above. I tried fast-forwarding it several ticks, but no match there either.

However, the soup linked to above is just the second C1 soup. If it's not useful, there are ten more options to look at just in C1. The first soup looks reasonably promising also.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by BlinkerSpawn » April 19th, 2019, 9:15 pm

dvgrn wrote:However, the soup linked to above is just the second C1 soup.
That one doesn't even look that hard:

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x = 23, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
19bo$19bo$obo16bo$b2o5bo9b3o$bo4b2o$7b2o12b2o$22bo$19b3o$19bo$8b2o$7bo
2bo$8b2o9$21bo$21bo$obo16bo$b2o5bo9b3o$bo4b2o$7b2o12b2o$22bo$19b3o$19b
o$8b2o$7bo2bo$8b2o10$20bo$obo13b2obo$b2o5bo9b3o$bo4b2o$7b2o12b2o$22bo$
19b3o$19bo$8b2o$7bo2bo$8b2o!
EDIT: Fairly easy seed from soup 8:

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x = 37, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
35bo$2bo31bobo$bobo29bo2bo$o2bo26bo3b2o$b2o25b2ob2o$28b2ob2o$28b2ob2o$
30bo$18b2o$17bo2bo$18b2o2$23bo$22bobo$22bobo$23bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Freywa » April 21st, 2019, 4:57 am

The synthesis file in Niemiec's database for 17.1202 was found to be botched – and it was listed as costing 70 gliders. Here's a 12-glider replacement synthesis from this soup:

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x = 126, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
56bobo$56b2o$2bo47bo6bo54bo$3bo47bo59bo$b3o45b3o59b3o2$109b2o$109b2o
12bo$123bobo$123b2o$41bo79bo$11b2o28bo5b2o71bobo$b2o7bobo28bo4bobo54bo
16b2o$obo8bo35bo55b3o$2bo59bo43bo$49b3o8b2o41b2o2bo$51bo9b2o39bo2b3o$
50bo6bo44bobo$56b2o45bobo$56bobo45bo12$71bo$70b2o$70bobo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by alphazelf » April 21st, 2019, 7:24 am

First pseudo-period-6 oscillator to contain a griddle (found by alexgreason):

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobooboboobbobob$
ooooobbboboooooo$
oobbbboobbbbbboo$
ooobbboooobooobo$
oooobboboobbobob$
bboobbobbobbbbbb$
booooooooobbbbbo$
obobbboooobboobo$
bobbooboboooobbb$
bbbobobbooboobbb$
boobobobboooooob$
bbbbbobbbbooobob$
obobobboboooobob$
ooobobboboooobbb$
obobboboobobbbbo$
oobbobbbbboooooo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by BlinkerSpawn » April 21st, 2019, 9:20 pm

Freywa wrote:The synthesis file in Niemiec's database for 17.1202 was found to be botched – and it was listed as costing 70 gliders. Here's a 12-glider replacement synthesis from this soup:

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Reduced to eleven, with ten possible if the constellation is doable in 3:

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x = 95, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
92bobo$92b2o$93bo25$56bobo$56b2o$2bo47bo6bo$3bo47bo$b3o45b3o6$41bo$11b
2o28bo5b2o$b2o7bobo28bo4bobo$obo8bo35bo$2bo59bo$49b3o8b2o$51bo9b2o$50b
o6bo$56b2o$56bobo12$71bo$70b2o$70bobo!
EDIT: A very nice seed for another 17-bitter with no listed synthesis:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o$4bo3b2o$3bobobobo$3bobob2o$4bobo3$5b3o$5bo2bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » April 27th, 2019, 2:44 pm

Freywa wrote:I'm not one to be outdone though. There's this 17-cell heart-shaped SL that is listed as requiring 108 gliders; here it is in 13 from this soup: ... Edit: Never mind, found that 9G synthesis.
I seemed to have missed that one when it was first posted. It makes two previously obsolete syntheses for 17.1199 and 17.1644 again minimal from 20 and 17 gliders respectively (unless those numbers have been otherwise superceded?)

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x = 168, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
96bo$97boo16bo$96boo17bobo$109bo5boo$94bo14bobo$95bo13boo44boo$93b3o
35boo18booboo$130bobo17bobo3bo$45bo85bo19bo$46bo$44b3o$48bobo62bo18boo
18boo$48boo23bo29bo9bobo16boo18boo$bo22bo24bo4bo17bobo17bobo7bobo8boo
8boo18boo18boo$bbo20bobo27bobo15bobobo17boo6bobobo17bobo17bobo17bobo$
3oboo17bobbo26bobbo14bobobbo16bo7bobobbo3b3o7boobobbo13boobobbo13boobo
bbo$4bobo17boo28boo16boboobo24boboobobbo9boboboobo12boboboobo12boboboo
bo$4bo42boo24bobbo26bobbo4bo11bobbo16bobbo16bobbo$48boo24boo28boo18boo
18boo18boo$36bo10bo10bo34b3o$36boo13bo4boo37bo$35bobo13boo4boo35bo$50b
obo$59boo$59bobo28boo$59bo29bobo$91bo6$48boo$49boo$48bo14$140bo$130bob
o8bo$131boo6b3o$131bo$93bo19bo29bo$92bobo17bobo21bobo3bobo19bo$91bobob
o15bobobo21boobbobobo17bobo$85bo5bobobbo14bobobbo20bo3bobobbo16bobbo$
86bo5boboobo14boboobo15b3o6boboobo13booboobo$84b3o6bobbo12bo3bobbo18bo
3bo3bobbo13bobbobbo$94boo12bobo3boo18bo3bobo3boo14boobboo$87b3o18bobo
27bobo$89bo19bo29bo$88bo$138boo$137bobo$139bo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Freywa » April 27th, 2019, 9:14 pm

mniemiec wrote:It makes two previously obsolete syntheses for 17.1199 and 17.1644 again minimal from 20 and 17 gliders respectively (unless those numbers have been otherwise superceded?)
Just to be clear, the numbers you see interspersed between the Shinjuku comment lines here are not your still life numbers. I can't find the formula for assigning your numbers, so I devised a simpler numbering system based on apgcodes; as an example, 17.0 to 17.7772 list the 17-bit strict still lifes in lexicographic order of their apgcodes. These "lex-apg" codes up to 18-bit still lifes can be found here.

In my numbering, 17.1199 and 17.1644 become 17.5750 and 17.5749 respectively, and both the two syntheses you showed are already in Shinjuku/Catagolue.

You can query Shinjuku from the command line for cheapest syntheses if you have the necessary dependencies:

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>>> from shinjuku.search import dijkstra, lookup_synth
>>> min_paths = dijkstra()
>>> lookup_synth(min_paths, "xs17_cidikozw56")
Instruction set AVX2 detected
(20, <Pattern(logdiam=9, beszel_index=402, ulqoma_index=0, rule=b3s23) owned by <lifelib.pythlib.session.Lifetree object at 0x7f0f582ec780>>)
>>> lookup_synth(min_paths, "xs17_cidik8z643")
(17, <Pattern(logdiam=9, beszel_index=527, ulqoma_index=0, rule=b3s23) owned by <lifelib.pythlib.session.Lifetree object at 0x7f0f582ec780>>)
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » May 12th, 2019, 10:36 am

Natural sidecar found in G1:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oboobobbooobooob$
booooboooooooobo$
bbooboboobobbbbo$
bobbobobobbobbbb$
obbbbbooooboboob$
bbobobbobbbbbooo$
bbbbbboobboboobb$
bbbbbbobbooooboo$
bobooobbboobobbo$
oobobbobbbbboboo$
oboobbbobbbbobob$
oobboooboboobobb$
bobooobobobboboo$
bbbooobobbobbbbb$
bobbooobboobobbo$
bbbbbbboooooooob!
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EDIT: Crystal-based methuselah, also in G1:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3obob3o4b2o$ob8o2bo2bo$o2bo7b3o$o2b3o2b2o2bobo$2bo2b6o2b2o$2bo2bo5b2o
$3o2b3o2b2ob3o$o2b2o2bob7o$bo2b2o2bob2obo$bob4o3bo4bo$bo4b2o3bob2o$o2b
o2bo2bob2o2bo$2b3o2bob2o2b3o$b2o3bobobo3b2o$obobo2b3o5bo$o4bobobob3obo
!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Moosey » May 12th, 2019, 10:38 am

Ian07 wrote:Natural sidecar found in G1:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oboobobbooobooob$
booooboooooooobo$
bbooboboobobbbbo$
bobbobobobbobbbb$
obbbbbooooboboob$
bbobobbobbbbbooo$
bbbbbboobboboobb$
bbbbbbobbooooboo$
bobooobbboobobbo$
oobobbobbbbboboo$
oboobbbobbbbobob$
oobboooboboobobb$
bobooobobobboboo$
bbbooobobbobbbbb$
bobbooobboobobbo$
bbbbbbboooooooob!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Macbi » May 14th, 2019, 2:36 am

Ian07 wrote:EDIT: Crystal-based methuselah, also in G1:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3obob3o4b2o$ob8o2bo2bo$o2bo7b3o$o2b3o2b2o2bobo$2bo2b6o2b2o$2bo2bo5b2o
$3o2b3o2b2ob3o$o2b2o2bob7o$bo2b2o2bob2obo$bob4o3bo4bo$bo4b2o3bob2o$o2b
o2bo2bob2o2bo$2b3o2bob2o2b3o$b2o3bobobo3b2o$obobo2b3o5bo$o4bobobob3obo
!
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That's a new record by a long way! It lasts for 133100 generations. More than double the previous record holder, 47575M.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Apple Bottom » May 14th, 2019, 3:27 am

Macbi wrote:That's a new record by a long way! It lasts for 133100 generations. More than double the previous record holder, 47575M.
Hmm? I reckon I'm just missing the obvious here, but in what sense is this a methuselah, much less one that stops evolving at generation 133,100?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Macbi » May 14th, 2019, 3:36 am

Apple Bottom wrote:Hmm? I reckon I'm just missing the obvious here, but in what sense is this a methuselah, much less one that stops evolving at generation 133,100?
Some gliders are being shot backwards from the switch engines and reacting with the ash near the origin. They finally bore through it at 133100.

I guess it's an unusual methuselah because it has a long lifespan "for a reason" rather than "by accident".

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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » May 14th, 2019, 3:55 am

Macbi wrote:
Apple Bottom wrote:Hmm? I reckon I'm just missing the obvious here, but in what sense is this a methuselah, much less one that stops evolving at generation 133,100?
Some gliders are being shot backwards from the switch engines and reacting with the ash near the origin. They finally bore through it at 133100.
Indeed. I wouldn't classify that as a methuselah unless the reaction managed to destroy the switch-engines (as was the case for the 750k methuselah from b38s23/C1).
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Macbi » May 14th, 2019, 4:10 am

calcyman wrote:Indeed. I wouldn't classify that as a methuselah unless the reaction managed to destroy the switch-engines (as was the case for the 750k methuselah from b38s23/C1).
I see that there's something different about this pattern compared to other methuselahs, but I don't see why destroying the switch-engines or not would be an important part of the requirements. Is it because you don't think that an infinite-growth pattern can be said to have stabilised? I would say that an infinite growth pattern can be considered stabilised so long as it is growing in a regular way. (The phrase "regular way" isn't precisely defined, but I think switch engines definitely satisfy it.)

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Re: Soup search results

Post by dvgrn » May 14th, 2019, 10:08 am

Macbi wrote:
calcyman wrote:Indeed. I wouldn't classify that as a methuselah unless the reaction managed to destroy the switch-engines (as was the case for the 750k methuselah from b38s23/C1).
I see that there's something different about this pattern compared to other methuselahs, but I don't see why destroying the switch-engines or not would be an important part of the requirements. Is it because you don't think that an infinite-growth pattern can be said to have stabilised? I would say that an infinite growth pattern can be considered stabilised so long as it is growing in a regular way. (The phrase "regular way" isn't precisely defined, but I think switch engines definitely satisfy it.)
The way I think about methuselah lifespans is that you measure the time until they "go boring". My instinct would be that infinite-growth patterns should count just as much as patterns where the bounding box keeps growing indefinitely (which is almost every methuselah ever found).

However, it's definitely true that infinite-growth patterns haven't traditionally been included in the "methuselah" category. Otherwise there are all kinds of difficult cases that would have to be considered, especially from Nick Gotts' old "Patterns with Eventful Histories" blog, from back in the days when weblogs were so new that not many people knew how to use them yet.

I'm not sure if anyone has figured out yet whether this 32-bit pattern ever goes boring, for example:

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#C nikk-nikkm1r90-w4s906
#C http://nickgotts-nikk-nikkm1r90-w4s906.blogspot.com/
#C pattern given at http://nickgotts-eventful.blogspot.com/
x = 38, y = 940, rule = S23/B3
6bo$5bobo$$4bobbo$4boo$4bo25$34bobo$37bo$33bobbo$32b3o873$28bo3bo$29bo
bo$30bobbo$33bo$33bo24$o$bo$bbo$bo$o$bb3o!
I think I'd vote against adding the new two-switch-engine soup to the methuselah list, to avoid opening yet another can of methuselah-worms. But whether it does or not, it seems like the pattern is a record-breaker in some kind of category. Longest time to "go boring" from the smallest bounding box, I think, as well as the longest lifespan for a natural asymmetric 16x16 pattern? Maybe it needs its own category name, or just a new infinite-growth section of the methuselah-list page.

And Now For Something Slightly Different
I surveyed the current final four of the "kaleidoscope" patterns in D8_4, and all the most common ways showed up for a kaleidoscope to go boring:

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Seed                        Ticks Before Boring  Borificaton Method
D8_4/m_MqDCX5fsCpSu5292567  13,466,679           eater near center, boat-bit
D8_4/m_wENPkZhTVTmx3581125  16,467,563           eater tie eaters in arms, boat-bit
D8_4/m_55MBifjCkqyg1071727   9,307,907           glider-block bounce, 90-degree annihilation
D8_4/m_AsRrkqLwMJuA9526739  16,467,583           converges to m_wENPkZhTVTmx3581125 pattern
It might be interesting to see if any new ways to go boring have showed up in D8_4 or D8_1, since the last time Bill Gosper was looking at these things a few years ago.

I checked the last five of the D8_1's, and they're all pretty much instantly boring. The only delayed-boring one I've run into so far is the very first one, D8_1/27CHaXKUTxiw6209593 -- but there are a lot more left to check.

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#C D8_1/27CHaXKUTxiw6209593 goes boring at T=456.601
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
3b3obob2ob2obob2ob2obob3o$b3o3bo2bob7obo2bo3b3o$b5o7bobobo7b5o$3obo2b
5obo3bob5o2bob3o$ob2o2bo6b2ob2o6bo2b2obo$obo2b2o2bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o2bobo$
4b3ob3obo5bob3ob3o$2obo3b2ob2o7b2ob2o3bob2o$3bo2b6obo3bob6o2bo$o2bob2o
b3o2b5o2b3ob2obo2bo$2obo2b6ob2ob2ob6o2bob2o$3bo3b2obobobobobobob2o3bo$
2o4bo4bo7bo4bo4b2o$6o2b3o4bo4b3o2b6o$bo2bo4b3o3bo3b3o4bo2bo$3o6bo3b5o
3bo6b3o$bo2bo4b3o3bo3b3o4bo2bo$6o2b3o4bo4b3o2b6o$2o4bo4bo7bo4bo4b2o$3b
o3b2obobobobobobob2o3bo$2obo2b6ob2ob2ob6o2bob2o$o2bob2ob3o2b5o2b3ob2ob
o2bo$3bo2b6obo3bob6o2bo$2obo3b2ob2o7b2ob2o3bob2o$4b3ob3obo5bob3ob3o$ob
o2b2o2bo3bo3bo3bo2b2o2bobo$ob2o2bo6b2ob2o6bo2b2obo$3obo2b5obo3bob5o2bo
b3o$b5o7bobobo7b5o$b3o3bo2bob7obo2bo3b3o$3b3obob2ob2obob2ob2obob3o!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by A for awesome » May 15th, 2019, 12:18 am

An asymmetric p4 that's more common in odd orthogonal symmetries (analogous to the overabundance of Achim's p8 in diagonal symmetries):

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bbbbooobobbbbbob$
bbbbbboboobobbob$
obobbooobbbbbboo$
oobooobbobbbobbb$
obooobooboboobob$
bobbbobbbooobobb$
boboobobbbobbobo$
obbooobobbooboob$
booboobbobobbbbb$
boboobobbobboooo$
booobbbboobobobb$
boobobooooobbobo$
oobbobbobooooooo$
obbooobboooobbbb$
obbbooobobobbboo$
bbbbboooobbboobo$
obbbooobobobbboo$
obbooobboooobbbb$
oobbobbobooooooo$
boobobooooobbobo$
booobbbboobobobb$
boboobobbobboooo$
booboobbobobbbbb$
obbooobobbooboob$
boboobobbbobbobo$
bobbbobbbooobobb$
obooobooboboobob$
oobooobbobbbobbb$
obobbooobbbbbboo$
bbbbbboboobobbob$
bbbbooobobbbbbob!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » May 15th, 2019, 3:34 am

A for awesome wrote:An asymmetric p4 that's more common in odd orthogonal symmetries (analogous to the overabundance of Achim's p8 in diagonal symmetries): ...
Very nice! This leads to a 16-glider synthesis, and a 24-glider synthesis of the one previously-unsolved non-trivial 24-bit P4 pseudo-oscillator (It's quite possible that there is a cheaper way to delete the attached doves):
EDIT: using a different soup, reduced to 12 and 20 gliders, respectively:

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x = 117, y = 87, rule = B3/S23
62bobo23bobo$63boo8bo14boo$63bo10boo13bo$73boo$$79bo$77boo$78boo17bo
17bo$96bobo15bobo$96bobbo13bobbo$31bo33b3o17b3o9bobo13bobo$32bo34bo17b
o12booboo7booboo$30b3o33bo19bo13bobbo5bobbo$50boo18boo28bobobbobobbobo
$32bo17bobo17bobo28bo9bo$31boo18bo19bo30booboboboo$31bobo70bo3bo3$77bo
$77boo$76bobo$$65boo$66boo16boo$65bo17boo$85bo$74boo$73bobo$75bo8$68bo
$51bo17bo11bo$52boo13b3o9boo$51boo18bo8boo$11bo58bo$9bobo19boo16bo11b
oo7b3o10bo$10boo19boo16boo10boo19boo$7boo39bobo31bobo$6bobo$8bo$63bo
33bo17bo$63bobo30bobo15bobo$63boo31bobbo13bobbo$97bobo13bobo$58bobo37b
ooboo7booboo$59boo39bobbo5bobbo$59bo14boo24bobobbobobbobo$73boo26bo9bo
$75bo26booboboboo$45b3o3boo27boo3b3o16bo3bo$47bobbobo17boo8bobobbo$46b
o5bo18boo7bo5bo$70bo14$8bo75bo$6bobo75bobo$7boobbobo65bobobboo$11boo
67boo$7bo4bo12bo29bo24bo4bo$bo4bobo15bobo27bobo27bobo4bo$boo3bobbo13bo
bbo26bobbo26bobbo3boo$obo4bobo13bobo27bobo27bobo4bobo$8booboo7booboo
16boo7booboo16boo7booboo16boo7boo$10bobbo5bobbo17bobbo5bobbo17bobbo5bo
bbo17bobbo5bobbo$4boo4bobobbobobbobo17bobobbobobbobo17bobobbobobbobo4b
oo11bobobbobobbobo$3bobo5bo9bo19bo9bo19bo9bo5bobo11bo9bo$5bo6boobobob
oo21booboboboo21booboboboo6bo14booboboboo$14bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo
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Re: Soup search results

Post by BlinkerSpawn » May 15th, 2019, 8:15 am

mniemiec wrote:(It's quite possible that there is a cheaper way to delete the attached doves)
Indeed, only one glider each is required, for a 14G synthesis:

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x = 99, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
41bobo23bobo$42b2o8bo14b2o$42bo10b2o13bo$52b2o2$58bo$56b2o$57b2o3$bo
42b3o17b3o$2bo43bo17bo22b2o7b2o$3o42bo19bo20bo2bo5bo2bo$20b2o27b2o35bo
bo2bobo2bobo$2bo17bobo26bobo35bo9bo$b2o18bo28bo37b2obobob2o$bobo86bo3b
o3$56bo$32b3o21b2o18b3o$34bo20bobo18bo$33bo43bo$44b2o$45b2o16b2o$44bo
17b2o$64bo$53b2o$52bobo$54bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by A for awesome » May 18th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Nice symmetrical p4 from G1 (found by rliston) which forms in a strangely satisfying manner:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobooooobbbbbbo$
ooobobooboboobbo$
boobbbboobbboooo$
bboboboooboboooo$
oobobobbbboobobb$
bbobboooobbbooob$
bbbbbobbboooobbb$
obobooooobbbbboo$
bbbobbooobbooobb$
bobobooooooooobb$
boooooobobbbbobo$
boobbobobobbbboo$
bobooooboobboobb$
boobobobbboooooo$
bobboboobbobobbb$
obbooooboobooobb!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Soup search results

Post by A for awesome » May 23rd, 2019, 9:04 pm

What I would imagine to be a new p4 from D4_x4, found by carybe:

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x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bbbboooboooboooboobbooboobbbbbbb$
bboobbobobobobboooboobboobbbobbb$
boobboobbobbobooboboobbbbobobobb$
bobobbbbboobbbobboboobboobobobob$
obbbooobooooobbbobbbbobboboobobb$
obobobobobbbbbobboboobbbooboobbb$
oooboobooboboboobbbbboobobobbobb$
bbbbbboobbooobboobbobooboooooboo$
oobbooobobbobboooboboboobbbboboo$
obooobbbbboobboobobooobooobbbbbb$
ooboobooboobbbobbboooooboobobbbo$
bbbbobbooobbbobbbboobooobboboooo$
oooboboobbbbbobbbbobooobobobooob$
obbbbbbbbbboobobbobooobobbbbbbbb$
obooboobooobbobbobobbbobbboboooo$
boobbboooobbbbbooobbbbboobbobboo$
oobbobboobbbbbooobbbbboooobbboob$
oooobobbbobbbobobbobbooobooboobo$
bbbbbbbbobooobobboboobbbbbbbbbbo$
booobobobooobobbbbobbbbboobobooo$
oooobobboooboobbbbobbbooobbobbbb$
obbboboobooooobbbobbbooboobooboo$
bbbbbboooboooboboobboobbbbbooobo$
oobobbbboobobobooobbobbobooobboo$
ooboooooboobobboobbooobboobbbbbb$
bbobboboboobbbbboobobobooboobooo$
bbbooboobbboobobbobbbbbobobobobo$
bboboobobbobbbbobbbooooobooobbbo$
boboboboobboobobbobbboobbbbbobob$
bbobobobbbbooboboobobbobboobboob$
bbbobbboobboobooobbobobobobboobb$
bbbbbbbooboobboobooobooobooobbbb!
And a p6 that I doubt is new from D4_+4, likewise by carybe:

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x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
booboooobboooobbbboooobbooooboob$
bbobboobooooooooooooooooboobbobb$
oobboobbbbbboooooooobbbbbboobboo$
obbbbbobobbbobbbbbbobbbobobbbbbo$
boobbobbbbbobobbbbobobbbbbobboob$
oobboboobbobooobbooobobboobobboo$
oboboobooooobobbbboboooooboobobo$
bobbbobbboobbbboobbbboobbbobbbob$
ooboobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobooboo$
boooboooobobbboooobbboboooobooob$
bboboooboobbboooooobbboobooobobb$
obbbobooboobobboobbobooboobobbbo$
obbbbbobobboobbbbbboobbobobbbbbo$
ooobbboooooobbobbobboooooobbbooo$
obbboobobbobobbbbbbobobboboobbbo$
bboooobbboobbboooobbboobbboooobb$
bboooobbboobbboooobbboobbboooobb$
obbboobobbobobbbbbbobobboboobbbo$
ooobbboooooobbobbobboooooobbbooo$
obbbbbobobboobbbbbboobbobobbbbbo$
obbbobooboobobboobbobooboobobbbo$
bboboooboobbboooooobbboobooobobb$
boooboooobobbboooobbboboooobooob$
ooboobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobooboo$
bobbbobbboobbbboobbbboobbbobbbob$
oboboobooooobobbbboboooooboobobo$
oobboboobbobooobbooobobboobobboo$
boobbobbbbbobobbbbobobbbbbobboob$
obbbbbobobbbobbbbbbobbbobobbbbbo$
oobboobbbbbboooooooobbbbbboobboo$
bbobboobooooooooooooooooboobbobb$
booboooobboooobbbboooobbooooboob!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Scorbie » May 23rd, 2019, 11:56 pm

I found interesting known relatives, but I haven't seen them before.

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x = 32, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
6b2o18b2o$5bo2bo16bo2bo$5bo2bo16bo2bo$4b2o2b2o13b3o2b3o$3bo6bo2bo8bobo
4bobo$b3obo2bob4o8bobo4bobo$o4b4o14b3o2b3o$ob3o4b3o13bo2bo$b2o2bo2bo2b
o13bo2bo$4b2o2b2o16b2o8$11b2o$10bobo2$9b3o$9b2o17bo$6b2o17bo3b2o$5bobo
b2o13bob2o$5b2ob3o7b2o5bobob2o$7bo8bo2bo5b2o2b2o$3b2ob2o4b2ob2obo4bo5b
o$bob2ob2o4b2ob2o7bob3o$o2bo8bo11bob2o$2o7b3ob2o$9b2obobo$12b2o$9b2o$
8b3o2$7bobo$7b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » May 24th, 2019, 1:30 am

Scorbie wrote:I found interesting known relatives, but I haven't seen them before. ...
The top right is A for All (synthesis), and bottom right is 24P4.4 (synthesis).

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Sokwe » May 24th, 2019, 2:08 am

Scorbie wasn't claiming that the oscillators on the right were new, but rather that they were known relatives of the potentially new oscillators on the left. It happens that A for Awesome's intuition was correct: the p6 is not new. It's in jslife (osc/o0006-bil.lif 5th column, 1st row) and was found by Dean Hickerson in 1997 using dr.c.

The p4 is relatively small and has high volatility. Such an oscillator would probably have made it into jslife if it had been found before 2013. Since it doesn't appear to be there, and I don't otherwise remember it from the forums, I also suspect that it's new.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Ian07 » May 26th, 2019, 8:23 pm

Achim's p144 showed up semi-naturally:

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x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbbbobobbobob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbbbbbboooobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobboobboboboooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobbobbbobobbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboboooobbbooooooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobooboobbbobob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbooobbboobboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbobboobbooob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobobboboobbooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbobbbbbobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobooooobbobobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobbbbboobooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooobbbboboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobooboboboobbbo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooooboobbobbb$
obbooboooooobbboobbbooooooboobbo$
bbbobboobooooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obbboobobobooboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobobbbboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oooboobbbbbobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obobobbooooobooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obobbbbbobboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
ooobboobobbobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
booobboobbobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobboobbbooobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobobbbooboobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
ooooooobbboooobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbobobbbobbooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oooobobobboobboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bboooobbbbbbbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobobbobobbbbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb!
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