Small Spaceship Syntheses

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Kazyan » April 6th, 2020, 1:42 pm

I was able to economize the back fuses of the c/5 diagonal ship again:

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x = 362, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
339bobo$340b2o$184bo155bo8bobo$184bobo162b2o$26b2o2b2o152b2o164bo$25bo
bob2o$27bo3bo323bo$119bo234bo$120b2o2bobo223bo3b3o$119b2o3b2o58bo49bo
49bo59bo3bobo$125bo57bobo47bobo47bobo57bobo3b2o$182bobo42b2o3bobo42b2o
3bobo52b2o3bobo8bo$67b2o52b2o59bo44bo4bo44bo4bo54bo4bo9bo6bobo$35b2o
29bobo5bobo43bobo56b2obo45b3obo45b3obo55b3obo9b3o4b2o$34b2o29bobo7b2o
42bobo45b2o9bo2bo49bo49bo59bo18bo$36bo28b2o8bo43b2o45bobo10b2o49bo49bo
59bo$29b2o38b2o52b2o43bo14b2o44bo3b2o44bo3b2o54bo3b2o$28bo2bo36bo2bo
50bo2bo56bo2bo42bo3bo2bo9bo32bo3bo2bo14bo37bo3bo2bo$29b2obo36b2obo10bo
bo37b2obo56b2obo41b2o3b2obo6b2o33b2o3b2obo6bo5bo38b2o3b2obo6bo$31bobo
37bobo10b2o39bobo57bobo47bobo6b2o39bobo4bobo4b3o43bobo4bobo$31bobo37bo
bo10bo40bobo40b2o15bobo47bobo47bobo5bo51bobo5bo$32bo39bo53bo3b2o37b2o
15bo3b2o44bo3b2o44bo3b3o53bo3b3o$83b3o43bobo36bo20bobo47bobo3bo29bobo
11bo59bo$85bo42bobo44b3o10bobo47bobo3b2o30b2o10bobo57bobo$84bo43b2o47b
o10b2o48b2o4bobo29bo11bobo54bobo2bo$176bo112bo55b2o3bobo$180b2o97b2o
70b2o$179b2o97bobo$b2o169b2o7bo98bo$obo170b2o99bo$2bo169bo101b2o$273bo
bo2$282bo$282b2o$281bobo3b3o$289bo$288bo10$59b3o$61bo$60bo!
The rest of the copypaste is already in the synthesis box. I suspect that further developments will unfold if a 4g equivalent to the upper activation of the loaf-bend-tail area is found, Such that it doesn't plume out so far towards the sufficiently-long boat fuses.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by BlinkerSpawn » April 6th, 2020, 10:08 pm

Kazyan wrote:
April 6th, 2020, 1:42 pm
I suspect that further developments will unfold if a 4g equivalent to the upper activation of the loaf-bend-tail area is found, Such that it doesn't plume out so far towards the sufficiently-long boat fuses.
If we can get more clearance there, my suggestion from the Discord that we insert two domino sparks at generation 27 should be a sizable reduction:

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x = 65, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
34bo$34bobo$34b2o3$16bo$14bobo$15b2o3$52bo$18bo22bobo7bo$9bo9b2o20b2o
8b3o$10b2o6b2o22bo3bo$9b2o34bo$4bobo38b3o$5b2o8b3o$5bo11bo24bo6bo$bo
14bo25bobo4bobo$b2o27bo11b2o5b2o$obo21bo4bobo14bo$7bo12b2obobo2bobo14b
o7bo$8b2o7bo3bobo2bo2bo15b3o3b2o$7b2o7bobo2bo2b2o26b2o$15bobo4b2o6bobo
$16bo7b2o3bob2o$19b2o3bo4bo$20bo4b3obo$20bobo5bo34bo$21b2o4bo34bo$16b
3o7bo3b2o30b3o$25bo3bo2bo$25b2o3b2obo5b2o$32bobo4bo4bo$32bobo5bo2bobo$
33bo3b3o2bobo$36bo6bo$35bobo$32bobo2bo4bo$32b2o3bobobobo$14b2o22b2obo
2bo$13bobo24bob2o$15bo19b2o3bo$35bo5b3o$36b3o4bo8bo$38bo12b2o$34bo6bo
9bobo$3b3o28bo5bobo4b2o$5bo28bo4bobo4bobo8b3o$4bo17b3o15bo7bo8bo$24bo
33bo$23bo2$51bo$50b2o$42bo7bobo$41b2o$41bobo$48b2o$16b2o29b2o$15bobo
31bo$17bo$44b2o$45b2o$44bo!
[[ STOP 27 PASTET 27 PASTE 2o17$18bo$18bo! 29 17 ]]
EDITED to add Kazyan's fuse reduction and a nice replacement for the fusebridge (which exists independently of the barge+sparks).
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Goldtiger997 » April 9th, 2020, 9:13 am

Most of a synthesis for 31P8H4V0. A group of missing steps which I wasn't able to figure out are marked with a question mark:

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x = 819, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
259bo517bo$260b2o506bo9b2o22bobo$259b2o508bo7b2o23b2o$767b3o33bo11bo$
396bo417bo$394bobo411bo5b3o$395b2o411bobo$503bo304b2o$501bo3bo262bo$
409bo356bobo$399bo7b2o22bobo66bo5bo260b2o$361bo35bobo8b2o22b2o$359bobo
36b2o32bo71bo$335bobo22b2o3bo$336b2o27bobo27bo40bobo64bo$228bo3bo103bo
28b2o29bo40b2o98b2o40bobo5b2o20bobo4bo10b2o38b2o38b2o59bobo16b2o$229b
2obobo137b2o20b3o15b2o23bo14b2o18bo9b2o19bo25bo8bo3b2o30bo5b2o6bo3b2o
16b2o5bo10bo3b2o34bo3b2o34bo3b2o55b2o17bo3b2o$obo78bo146b2o2b2o128bo9b
o39bo39bo17bobo9bo47b2o5bo4bo32bo4bo6bo4bo17bo4b3o9bo4bo29b2o3bo4bo29b
2o3bo4bo56bo12b2o3bo4bo$b2o76bobo202bo49b3o26bo9bo39bo19bo9b2o8bo17b2o
10bo18bobo24b2o5bo6bo29b3o10bo6bo29b2obo6bo28bobobo6bo28bobobo6bo68bob
obo6bo$bo78b2o73bo127bo45b2o3bo26b3o8b2o38b2o17bobo9bo8b2o20bo7b2o41bo
10b2o4b2o33b2o4bo2b2o4b2o30bob2o4b2o30bob2o4b2o30bob2o4b2o70bob2o4b2o$
44b2o38b2o67bobo79b3o34b2o9b3o39bo3bobo3bo35bo2b2o29b2o4bo2b2o16b2o10b
3o4bo2b2o18b3o4bo2b2o16bobo21bo2bo3b2obo4bo2b2o30bobo3bobobo4bo2b2o28b
obo4bo2b2o28bobo4bo2b2o28bobo4bo2b2o68bobo4bo2b2o13bo$44bobo37bobo67b
2o79bo36b2o52b2o4bo39bobobo27bo2bo4bobobo18b3o9bo4bobobo14b2o4bo4bobob
o37b3o2b2o2b2o2bo4bobobo31bo4b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobo
bo26b2o2bo4bobobo66b2o2bo4bobobo10b2o$45bobo37bobo31bobo114bo88b2o6bo
37b2obobo28b3o3b2obobo20bo8b2o3b2obobo13bobo3b2o3b2obobo41bobo5b2o3b2o
bobo39b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo69b2o3b2obobo
11b2o$46bobo37bobo31b2o10b2o28b2o38b2o28b2o38b2o58b2o34b2o5bo32b2o5bo
20bo11b2o5bo16bo5b2o5bo52b2o5bo42b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b2o5bo72b2o5b
o$6bo41bo39bo31bo10bo2bo20b2o4bo2bo26bo9bo2bo26bo2bo36bo2bo11b2o43bo2b
2o31bo2b5o32bo2b5o31b2o2b5o21b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o18b3o10b2o2b5o
31b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o71b2o2b5o$4b2o42b2o38b2o42bobo21b2o4bobo24bobo10bobo
27bobo37bobo11bobo43bobobo30bobo2bo25bo8bobo2bo25b2o6bo2bo2bo23bo2bo2b
o53bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo22bo10bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo73bo2bo2bo19b3o
$5b2o48bobo73b2ob2o19bo5b2ob2o24b2o9b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o10bo44b2obob
o31b2o29bo8b2o29b2o7b2o28b2o57bobo47bobo24bo12bobo37bobo37bobo77bobo
22bo$55b2o31b4o43bo23bo5bo17bo14b2o5bo22b2o5bo22b3o7b2o5bo52b2o5bo61b
3o38bo99bo49bo39bo39bo39bo3bo75bo3bo20bo$8b2o40b2o4bo31bo2bo16bo20b6o
23bob5o16bobo14bob5o22bo2b5o25bo6bo2b5o52bo2b5o377bo79bo$8bobo38b2o58b
2o18bo2bo26bo2bo19b2o15bo2bo24bobo2bo26bo7bobo2bo54bobo2bo28b3o348bo
79bo$8bo4b3o35bo56b2o47bobo26b2o9bobo28b2o38b2o58b2o33bo36b2o$13bo101b
3o39b2o26bobo9b2o88b2o73bo36bobo320bo$14bo66b2o34bo69bo98b2o81b3o29bo
320bobo65b2o9b2o$82b2o32bo4b2o165bo80bo338b2o12b2o66bobo8b2o$53bo27bo
38bobo247bo307b2o27bobo15b2o64bobo$53b2o33bo33bo67b2o486bobo28bo15bobo
64bo$52bobo33b2o23bo10b2o63bobo219b2o265bo46bo$87bobo23b2o9bobo64bo
219bobo254b3o39b3o52b3o$112bobo9bo125b2o159bo258bo39bo56bo$137b2o110bo
bo417bo35b2o4bo54bo49b3o$137bobo111bo454b2o64b2o42bo$137bo567bo65bobo
43bo$128bo644bo$127b3o$127bob2o11bo$128b3o10b2o630b2o$128b2o11bobo630b
2o$773bo34b2o$807b2o$809bo$778b2o$777bobo4bo$779bo4b2o$783bobo6$310b2o
$310bobo466b3o$310bo470bo$780bo!
Last edited by Goldtiger997 on April 9th, 2020, 9:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by JP21 » April 9th, 2020, 9:16 am

Usually with that kind of stuff, you always made it out to the end without anyone else showing a way.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Ian07 » April 9th, 2020, 1:47 pm

Speaking of 4c/8 spaceships, this should be a 10G 38P8H4V0 if I'm not mistaken:

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x = 21, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2bo17bo$3b2o13b2o$2b2o15b2o5$9b3o2$4bobo$5b2o$5bo7bobo$13b2o$9b2o3bo$
9bobo$2bo6bo$obo$b2o5$4b2o8bo$3bobo7b2o$5bo7bobo!
(this is actually just a modification of Goldtiger997's suppressed blinker puffer synths)

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Goldtiger997 » April 10th, 2020, 1:39 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 9:13 am
Most of a synthesis for 31P8H4V0. A group of missing steps which I wasn't able to figure out are marked with a question mark:
I reduced the number of missing steps:

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x = 1529, y = 71, rule = B3/S23
768bo$767bo$767b3o3$883bo$883bobo$883b2o203bobo$259bo602bo225b2o397bo$
260b2o598bobo226bo109bo278bo9b2o22bobo$259b2o600b2o220bobo114bo278bo7b
2o23b2o$1024bo58b2o113b3o276b3o33bo11bo$436bo587bobo38bo18bo123bo315bo
$434bobo552bo34b2o37bobo2bobo44bo10bo80bo310bo5b3o$435b2o550b2o75b2o3b
2o43bo9b2o31bo49b3o308bobo$361bo4bo186bo202bo225bo5b2o33bo45bo44b3o8b
2o29bo41bo319b2o$362bo4bo16bo166bo3bo198bobo51bo171bobo9bo28bobo60bobo
25bo43b3o40bo278bo$360b3o2b3o15bo65bo305b2o51bobo103bo66b2o9bobo27b2o
60b2o24bobo49bo34b3o276bobo$378bo4b3o53bo7b2o22bobo76bo5bo42bo159bo48b
2o4bo99bobo75b2o60b4o27bo25b2o40bobo6bobo48bo263b2o$376b2o23bo35bobo8b
2o22b2o123b2o160bobo51bo49bo50b2o137bo3bo96b2o6b2o48bo$377b2o20bobo36b
2o32bo81bo43b2o154bo4b2o48bo3b3o38b2o8bo192bo4bo91bo57b3o$335bobo25bo
5bo30b2o3bo184bo164bo53b2o44b2o5b3o37bo150bo2bo6bo6bo$336b2o26bo4bobo
33bobo27bo40bobo74bo34bobo162b3o52bobo43bo4b2o42b2o116b2o38b3o5bobo86b
2o$228bo3bo103bo25b3o4b2o34b2o8bo20bo18bo21b2o16bo29bo63b2o14bo49bo39b
o39bo39bo49bo32bobo24bo16b2o6b2o13bo39bo39bo14bobo22bo24b2o13bo39bo33b
o5bo31b2o6bo41b2o40bobo5b2o20bobo4bo10b2o38b2o38b2o59bobo16b2o$229b2ob
obo178b3o18b3o16b3o21bo15b3o16bo10b3o27bo49b3o47b3o15bo21b3o23bo13b3o
37b3o47b3o34bo22b3o25bo11b3o37b3o37b3o16bo20b3o37b3o31b2o4b3o32bo4b3o
32bo4b3o33bo8bo3b2o30bo5b2o6bo3b2o16b2o5bo10bo3b2o34bo3b2o34bo3b2o55b
2o17bo3b2o$obo78bo146b2o2b2o168bo9bo39bo39bo17bobo9bo79bo28bo20bo19bo
19bo26bobo10bo39bo49bo50b2o7bo28bob2o7bo28bob2o7bo19bo8bob2o7bo30b2o7b
o30b2o7bo35bo3bo34bo4bo34bo4bo14b2o21b2o5bo4bo32bo4bo6bo4bo17bo4b3o9bo
4bo29b2o3bo4bo29b2o3bo4bo56bo12b2o3bo4bo$b2o76bobo202bo49b3o44bo21bo9b
o39bo19bo9b2o8bo17b2o10bo28bobo30bo17bo28b2o8b2o9bo16b3o20bo25b2o12bo
39bo38b2o9bo48bobo8bo15b2o11bobo8bo27b2obo8bo19bo7b2obo8bo28bobo8bo28b
obo8bo32bo6bo32bo6bo32bo6bo12b2o21b2o5bo6bo29b3o10bo6bo29b2obo6bo28bob
obo6bo28bobobo6bo68bobobo6bo$bo78b2o73bo127bo45b2o3bo46bobo17b3o8b2o
38b2o17bobo9bo8b2o20bo7b2o62bo9b2o4b2o27b2o9bobob2o4b2o29b2ob2o4b2o21b
o7b2ob2o4b2o29b2ob2o4b2o38bobob2o4b2o48bobob2o4b2o16b2o3b2o7bob2o4b2o
30bob2o4b2o17b3o10bob2o4b2o27bo2bob2o4b2o27bo2bob2o4b2o32b2o4b2o32b2o
4b2o32b2o4b2o14bo16bo10b2o4b2o33b2o4bo2b2o4b2o30bob2o4b2o30bob2o4b2o
30bob2o4b2o70bob2o4b2o$44b2o38b2o67bobo79b3o34b2o9b3o39bo3bobo3bo36b2o
7b2o28bo2b2o29b2o4bo2b2o16b2o10b3o4bo2b2o18b3o4bo2b2o26bobo29b3o9bo4bo
2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o19bo8bobo4bo2b2o20bo5bobobo4bo2b2o23b2obobobo4bo2b2o
33b2obobobo4bo2b2o43b2obobobo4bo2b2o13bo6b2o6bobo4bo2b2o28bobo4bo2b2o
28bobo4bo2b2o24bo3bobo4bo2b2o24bo3bobo4bo2b2o27b2obo4bo2b2o27b2obo4bo
2b2o27b2obo4bo2b2o30bo2bo3b2obo4bo2b2o30bobo3bobobo4bo2b2o28bobo4bo2b
2o28bobo4bo2b2o28bobo4bo2b2o68bobo4bo2b2o13bo$44bobo37bobo67b2o79bo36b
2o52b2o4bo39bo39bobobo27bo2bo4bobobo18b3o9bo4bobobo14b2o4bo4bobobo53b
3o14bo4bobobo22b2o12b2o2bo4bobobo19bo5bobo2bo4bobobo17b3o5bobo2bo4bobo
bo22b2obobo2bo4bobobo32b2obobo2bo4bobobo42b2obobo2bo4bobobo18bo6bobo2b
o4bobobo25bobo2bo4bobobo25bobo2bo4bobobo23bobobo2bo4bobobo23bobobo2bo
4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo5b2o20b3o2b2o2b2o
2bo4bobobo31bo4b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bobobo26b2o2bo4bob
obo66b2o2bo4bobobo10b2o$45bobo37bobo31bobo114bo88b2o6bo39bo4b3o30b2obo
bo28b3o3b2obobo20bo8b2o3b2obobo13bobo3b2o3b2obobo55bo13b2o3b2obobo21bo
bo15b2o3b2obobo17b3o5b2o2b2o3b2obobo26bo2b2o3b2obobo26bo2b2o3b2obobo
36bo2b2o3b2obobo46bo2b2o3b2obobo25b2o2b2o3b2obobo17bo7b2o2b2o3b2obobo
17b2o5bobo2b2o3b2obobo24bobo2b2o3b2obobo24bobo2b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obob
o29b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo4b2o25bobo5b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b
2obobo29b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo69b2o3b2obobo11b2o$46bobo37bobo31b2o
10b2o28b2o38b2o28b2o38b2o58b2o38b2o4bo29b2o5bo32b2o5bo20bo11b2o5bo16bo
5b2o5bo55bo7bo8b2o5bo24bo17b2o5bo32b2o5bo19bo12b2o5bo32b2o5bo42b2o5bo
52b2o5bo32b2o5bo16bobo13b2o5bo17bobo6bo5b2o5bo26bo5b2o5bo26bo5b2o5bo
32b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b2o5bo7bo34b2o5bo42b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b2o5bo72b
2o5bo$6bo41bo39bo31bo10bo2bo20b2o4bo2bo26bo9bo2bo26bo2bo36bo2bo11b2o
43bo2b2o35bo2b2o3bo27bo2b5o32bo2b5o31b2o2b5o21b2o2b5o64b2o5b2o2b5o13b
2o26b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o20b2o9b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o
18b2o2b2o7b2o2b5o20bo10b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o31b
2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o18b3o10b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o71b2o2b5o$4b2o
42b2o38b2o42bobo21b2o4bobo24bobo10bobo27bobo37bobo11bobo43bobobo35bobo
bo30bobo2bo25bo8bobo2bo25b2o6bo2bo2bo23bo2bo2bo65bobo5bo2bo2bo14bobo
26bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo21bobo9bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo53bo2bo2bo33bo
2bo2bo25b2o6bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo
33bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo22bo10bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo73bo2b
o2bo19b3o$5b2o48bobo73b2ob2o19bo5b2ob2o24b2o9b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o10b
o44b2obobo34b2obobo31b2o29bo8b2o29b2o7b2o28b2o77bobo19bo27bobo37bobo
37bobo37bobo47bobo57bobo37bobo27bo9bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo
37bobo47bobo47bobo24bo12bobo37bobo37bobo77bobo22bo$55b2o31b4o43bo23bo
5bo17bo14b2o5bo22b2o5bo22b3o7b2o5bo52b2o5bo32b2o5bo61b3o38bo119bo49bo
39bo39bo39bo49bo59bo39bo33b3o3bo39bo39bo22b3o14bo39bo39bo39bo49bo49bo
39bo39bo39bo3bo75bo3bo20bo$8b2o40b2o4bo31bo2bo16bo20b6o23bob5o16bobo
14bob5o22bo2b5o25bo6bo2b5o52bo2b5o32bo2b5o210b2o365bo38b2o70bo9b2o347b
o79bo$8bobo38b2o58b2o18bo2bo26bo2bo19b2o15bo2bo24bobo2bo26bo7bobo2bo
54bobo2bo34bobo2bo28b3o182b2o84b3o278bo37bobo68bo10bobo346bo79bo$8bo4b
3o35bo56b2o47bobo26b2o9bobo28b2o38b2o58b2o38b2o33bo36b2o143bo88bo316bo
81bo$13bo101b3o39b2o26bobo9b2o88b2o113bo36bobo231bo395b3o360bo$14bo66b
2o34bo69bo98b2o121b3o29bo414b2o200b2o11bo360bobo65b2o9b2o$82b2o32bo4b
2o165bo120bo447b2o198bobo10bo347b2o12b2o66bobo8b2o$53bo27bo38bobo287bo
445bo202bo328b2o27bobo15b2o64bobo$53b2o33bo33bo67b2o1196bobo28bo15bobo
64bo$52bobo33b2o23bo10b2o63bobo259b2o935bo46bo$87bobo23b2o9bobo64bo
259bobo924b3o39b3o52b3o$112bobo9bo125b2o199bo928bo39bo56bo$137b2o110bo
bo1127bo35b2o4bo54bo49b3o$137bobo111bo1164b2o64b2o42bo$137bo1277bo65bo
bo43bo$128bo1354bo$127b3o$127bob2o11bo$128b3o10b2o1340b2o$128b2o11bobo
1340b2o$1483bo34b2o$1517b2o$1519bo$1488b2o$1487bobo4bo$1489bo4b2o$
1493bobo6$310b2o$310bobo1176b3o$310bo1180bo$1490bo!
Now the only missing bit is the following transformation:

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x = 62, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
10bo49bo$8b3o47b3o$7bo49bo$8bo28bo20bo$7b2o42b2o4b2o$bo4bo2b2o28bo11bo
4bo2b2o$obo4bobobo40bo4bobobo$b2o3b2obobo8bobobobobobobobobobo2bo9b2o
3b2obobo$3b2o5bo42b2o5bo$b2o2b5o29bo11b2o2b5o$bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo$3b2o
32bo14bobo$53bo!
Edit: This should be a complete synthesis unless I've made any mistakes:

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x = 2089, y = 71, rule = B3/S23
1198bo$1197bo$1197b3o3$1313bo$1313bobo$1313b2o263bobo$309bo982bo285b2o
467bo$310b2o978bobo286bo139bo318bo9b2o22bobo$309b2o980b2o280bobo144bo
318bo7b2o23b2o$1494bo78b2o143b3o316b3o33bo11bo$546bo947bobo58bo18bo
153bo355bo$544bobo902bo44b2o57bobo2bobo54bo10bo100bo350bo5b3o$545b2o
900b2o105b2o3b2o53bo9b2o41bo59b3o348bobo$431bo4bo749bo255bo5b2o43bo65b
o54b3o8b2o39bo51bo359b2o$432bo4bo16bo729bobo51bo201bobo9bo38bobo80bobo
35bo53b3o50bo318bo$430b3o2b3o15bo105bo625b2o51bobo113bo86b2o9bobo37b2o
80b2o34bobo59bo44b3o316bobo$448bo4b3o93bo7b2o42bobo159bobo213bo209bo
48b2o4bo109bobo95b2o90b4o27bo35b2o50bobo6bobo58bo303b2o$446b2o43bo55bo
bo8b2o42b2o160b2o211b2o210bobo51bo49bo60b2o187bo3bo116b2o6b2o58bo$447b
2o40bobo56b2o52bo113bo47bo213b2o204bo4b2o48bo3b3o38b2o8bo252bo4bo111bo
67b3o$395bobo35bo5bo50b2o3bo211bo8bobo251bo214bo53b2o44b2o5b3o47bo200b
o2bo6bo6bo$396b2o36bo4bobo53bobo47bo60bobo99bo7b2o39bo4bo5bobo197bobo
212b3o52bobo43bo4b2o52b2o146b2o58b3o5bobo106b2o$268bo3bo123bo35b3o4b2o
54b2o8bo40bo18bo41b2o16bo49bo30b3o16bo32bo4bo4b2o5bo39bo49bo59bo43b2o
14bo69bo49bo49bo49bo49bo32bobo24bo26b2o6b2o13bo49bo49bo24bobo22bo44b2o
13bo49bo43bo5bo41b2o6bo51b2o40bobo5b2o30bobo4bo10b2o48b2o48b2o59bobo
16b2o$269b2obobo228b3o38b3o16b3o41bo15b3o36bo10b3o47b3o30b3o2b3o5bo3b
3o37b3o47b3o57b3o57b3o67b3o25bo21b3o33bo13b3o47b3o47b3o34bo22b3o35bo
11b3o47b3o47b3o26bo20b3o57b3o41b2o4b3o42bo4b3o42bo4b3o43bo8bo3b2o30bo
5b2o6bo3b2o26b2o5bo10bo3b2o44bo3b2o44bo3b2o55b2o17bo3b2o$obo78bo186b2o
2b2o218bo9bo59bo59bo37bobo9bo49bo49bo39bo49bo59bo59bo48bo20bo29bo19bo
36bobo10bo49bo49bo50b2o7bo38bob2o7bo38bob2o7bo29bo8bob2o7bo40b2o7bo50b
2o7bo45bo3bo44bo4bo44bo4bo14b2o31b2o5bo4bo32bo4bo6bo4bo27bo4b3o9bo4bo
39b2o3bo4bo39b2o3bo4bo56bo12b2o3bo4bo$b2o76bobo252bo59b3o54bo41bo9bo
59bo39bo9b2o8bo37b2o10bo49bo49bo39bo49bo59bo41bo17bo48b2o8b2o9bo26b3o
20bo35b2o12bo49bo38b2o9bo48bobo8bo25b2o11bobo8bo37b2obo8bo29bo7b2obo8b
o38bobo8bo48bobo8bo42bo6bo42bo6bo42bo6bo12b2o31b2o5bo6bo29b3o10bo6bo
39b2obo6bo38bobobo6bo38bobobo6bo68bobobo6bo$bo78b2o93bo157bo55b2o3bo
56bobo37b3o8b2o58b2o37bobo9bo8b2o40bo7b2o48b2o48b2o32b2o4b2o42b2o4b2o
52b2o4b2o42bo9b2o4b2o47b2o9bobob2o4b2o39b2ob2o4b2o31bo7b2ob2o4b2o39b2o
b2o4b2o38bobob2o4b2o48bobob2o4b2o26b2o3b2o7bob2o4b2o40bob2o4b2o27b3o
10bob2o4b2o37bo2bob2o4b2o47bo2bob2o4b2o42b2o4b2o42b2o4b2o42b2o4b2o14bo
26bo10b2o4b2o33b2o4bo2b2o4b2o40bob2o4b2o40bob2o4b2o40bob2o4b2o70bob2o
4b2o$44b2o38b2o87bobo99b3o44b2o9b3o49bo3bobo3bo46b2o7b2o48bo2b2o49b2o
4bo2b2o36b2o10b3o4bo2b2o38b3o4bo2b2o40bo4bo2b2o32b3o4b2o4bo2b2o30bo4bo
2b2o40bo4bo2b2o50bo4bo2b2o9bo28b3o9bo4bo2b2o58bobo4bo2b2o29bo8bobo4bo
2b2o30bo5bobobo4bo2b2o33b2obobobo4bo2b2o33b2obobobo4bo2b2o43b2obobobo
4bo2b2o23bo6b2o6bobo4bo2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o34bo3bobo4bo2b2o
44bo3bobo4bo2b2o37b2obo4bo2b2o37b2obo4bo2b2o37b2obo4bo2b2o40bo2bo3b2ob
o4bo2b2o30bobo3bobobo4bo2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o38bobo4bo2b2o68b
obo4bo2b2o13bo$44bobo37bobo87b2o99bo46b2o62b2o4bo49bo59bobobo47bo2bo4b
obobo38b3o9bo4bobobo34b2o4bo4bobobo38bobo4bobobo33bo4bobo4bobobo30bo4b
obobo40bo4bobobo50bo4bobobo7bo25b3o14bo4bobobo42b2o12b2o2bo4bobobo29bo
5bobo2bo4bobobo27b3o5bobo2bo4bobobo32b2obobo2bo4bobobo32b2obobo2bo4bob
obo42b2obobo2bo4bobobo28bo6bobo2bo4bobobo35bobo2bo4bobobo35bobo2bo4bob
obo33bobobo2bo4bobobo43bobobo2bo4bobobo36b2o2bo4bobobo36b2o2bo4bobobo
36b2o2bo4bobobo5b2o30b3o2b2o2b2o2bo4bobobo31bo4b2o2bo4bobobo36b2o2bo4b
obobo36b2o2bo4bobobo36b2o2bo4bobobo66b2o2bo4bobobo10b2o$45bobo37bobo
41bobo144bo108b2o6bo49bo4b3o50b2obobo48b3o3b2obobo40bo8b2o3b2obobo33bo
bo3b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo32bo6b2o3b2obobo29b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo
49b2o3b2obobo7b3o25bo13b2o3b2obobo41bobo15b2o3b2obobo27b3o5b2o2b2o3b2o
bobo36bo2b2o3b2obobo36bo2b2o3b2obobo36bo2b2o3b2obobo46bo2b2o3b2obobo
35b2o2b2o3b2obobo27bo7b2o2b2o3b2obobo27b2o5bobo2b2o3b2obobo34bobo2b2o
3b2obobo44bobo2b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo4b2o
35bobo5b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo39b2o3b2obobo
69b2o3b2obobo11b2o$46bobo37bobo41b2o10b2o38b2o48b2o38b2o48b2o68b2o48b
2o4bo49b2o5bo52b2o5bo40bo11b2o5bo36bo5b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b2o5bo32b2o5bo
42b2o5bo52b2o5bo35bo7bo8b2o5bo44bo17b2o5bo42b2o5bo29bo12b2o5bo42b2o5bo
42b2o5bo52b2o5bo42b2o5bo26bobo13b2o5bo27bobo6bo5b2o5bo36bo5b2o5bo46bo
5b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b2o5bo7bo44b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b2o5bo42b
2o5bo72b2o5bo$6bo41bo39bo41bo10bo2bo30b2o4bo2bo36bo9bo2bo36bo2bo46bo2b
o11b2o53bo2b2o45bo2b2o3bo47bo2b5o52bo2b5o51b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o
41b2o2b5o31b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o44b2o5b2o2b5o33b2o26b2o2b5o41b2o2b
5o30b2o9b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o28b2o2b2o7b2o2b5o
30bo10b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o51b2o2b5o41b
2o2b5o28b3o10b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o41b2o2b5o71b2o2b5o$4b2o42b2o38b2o52bobo
31b2o4bobo34bobo10bobo37bobo47bobo11bobo53bobobo45bobobo50bobo2bo45bo
8bobo2bo45b2o6bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo33bo2bo2bo10bo32bo
2bo2bo53bo2bo2bo45bobo5bo2bo2bo34bobo26bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo31bobo9bo2bo
2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo53bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo35b2o6bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43b
o2bo2bo53bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo53bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo32b
o10bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo73bo2bo2bo19b3o$5b2o48bobo83b2ob2o29bo
5b2ob2o34b2o9b2ob2o35b2ob2o45b2ob2o10bo54b2obobo44b2obobo51b2o49bo8b2o
49b2o7b2o48b2o48b2o48b2o38b2o12bo35b2o58b2o57bobo39bo27bobo47bobo47bob
o47bobo47bobo57bobo47bobo37bo9bobo47bobo47bobo57bobo47bobo47bobo47bobo
57bobo47bobo34bo12bobo47bobo47bobo77bobo22bo$55b2o31b4o53bo33bo5bo27bo
14b2o5bo32b2o5bo32b3o7b2o5bo62b2o5bo42b2o5bo101b3o58bo209bo3b3o153bo
69bo49bo49bo49bo49bo59bo49bo43b3o3bo49bo49bo42b3o14bo49bo49bo49bo59bo
49bo49bo49bo49bo3bo75bo3bo20bo$8b2o40b2o4bo31bo2bo26bo20b6o33bob5o26bo
bo14bob5o32bo2b5o35bo6bo2b5o62bo2b5o42bo2b5o372bo147b2o435bo48b2o100bo
9b2o417bo79bo$8bobo38b2o68b2o18bo2bo36bo2bo29b2o15bo2bo34bobo2bo36bo7b
obo2bo64bobo2bo44bobo2bo48b3o323b3o46bo99b2o114b3o318bo47bobo98bo10bob
o416bo79bo$8bo4b3o35bo66b2o57bobo36b2o9bobo38b2o48b2o68b2o48b2o53bo56b
2o309b2o3bobo52b2o2b2o38bo118bo366bo111bo$13bo111b3o49b2o36bobo9b2o
108b2o153bo56bobo305b2obobo3b2o49b2obobo2b2o156bo475b3o430bo$14bo66b2o
44bo89bo118b2o161b3o49bo264b3o37bobob2o7b2o45bobob2o364b2o260b2o11bo
430bobo65b2o9b2o$82b2o42bo4b2o205bo160bo316bo40bo11bobo45bo369b2o258bo
bo10bo417b2o12b2o66bobo8b2o$53bo27bo48bobo367bo316bo51bo416bo262bo388b
2o37bobo15b2o64bobo$53b2o33bo43bo87b2o687b3o1026bobo38bo15bobo64bo$52b
obo33b2o33bo10b2o83bobo339b2o239b2o107bo1026bo56bo$87bobo33b2o9bobo84b
o339bobo237bobo106bo1017b3o49b3o52b3o$122bobo9bo165b2o259bo241bo117b2o
1007bo49bo56bo$147b2o150bobo603b3o14b2o1005bo45b2o4bo54bo49b3o$147bobo
151bo605bo13bo1054b2o64b2o42bo$147bo758bo3b2o21b2o1040bo65bobo43bo$
138bo770bobo20b2o1109bo$137b3o771bo14b2o6bo$137bob2o11bo773bobo$138b3o
10b2o773bo1116b2o$138b2o11bobo1890b2o$2043bo34b2o$2077b2o$2079bo$2048b
2o$2047bobo4bo$2049bo4b2o$2053bobo6$360b2o$360bobo1686b3o$360bo1690bo$
2050bo!
The cost appears to be 189 gliders (for now)

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by BlinkerSpawn » April 10th, 2020, 10:58 am

Shows promise for a significant reduction:

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5bo2b2o$5b5o$5b4o$3b2o$2bo2b3o$b2obo2bo$5o$b2o5bo$bo4b2o$8bo!
EDIT: Proof-of-concept work:

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = Life
19bo$13bo4bo$13bobo2b3o$13b2o3$15bo$15bobo3bo$15b2o4bobo$9b2o10b2o$10b
o$9bo$8bo9b2o$7bo10bobo$6bob3o7bo$5bobo2bo$5bobo$6bo$9b3o3$2o$b2o$o!
[[ GPS 2 PASTET 10 PASTE 2bo$2bo$2o! 5 8  PASTE o! 3 14 PASTE o2$o! 13 17 PASTET 11 PASTE obo$obo$obo! -1 13 STOP 15 ]]
(There's some minor conflicts with the rest of the activation, notably the placeholder glider on the bottom left)
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Kazyan » April 11th, 2020, 1:43 am

Further improvements possible to the c/5 diagonal ship:

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x = 75, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
19bo$17bobo$18b2o4bo$22bobo$23b2o4$21bo$19bobo$20b2o$30bo$30bobo$30b2o
11bo$23bobo17bobo$14bo9b2o17b2o$15b2o7bo$14b2o$9bobo24bobo3bo$10b2o25b
2ob2o12bo$10bo26bo3b2o10bo$53b3o2$6bo29b2o$6b2o22bo4bobo$5bobo18b2obob
o2bobo$23bo3bobo2bo2bo$15bo6bobo2bo2b2o$16b2o3bobo4b2o6bo$15b2o5bo7b2o
3bobo5b2o15bo$25b2o3bo4bo2bo3bo2bo13bo$26bo4b3obo3bo3bobo13b3o$26bobo
5bo5bo3bo9bobo$27b2o4bo7bo12b2o$32bo3b2o4bo12bo$31bo3bo2bo4bo$31b2o3b
2obo4bo10b2o$38bobo4bo4b2o2b2o$38bobo5bo2bobo4bo$39bo3b3o2bobo$42bo6bo
$41bobo$13b2o23bobo2bo4bo13bo$12bobo23b2o3bobobobo11bo$14bo29b2obo2bo
10b3o$46bob2o$24bo16b2o3bo$24b2o15bo5b3o$23bobo16b3o4bo$44bo14b2o$47bo
10b2o10b3o$46bobo11bo9bo$45bobo23bo$27b2o17bo17b3o$26bobo35bo$28bo36bo
6b3o$72bo$46bo26bo$45b2o11bo$45bobo9b2o$30b3o24bobo$32bo$31bo$55b2o$
54b2o$bo54bo$b2o$obo46b2o$50b2o$49bo!
No cleanup shown here, but there's probably a better 3G collision to react with the longboat anyway--spark_search returns lots of results.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by HartmutHolzwart » April 11th, 2020, 11:05 am

Of those spaceships that looked accessible to glider synthesis in the very first post of this thread, only two are missing now. One is 44P5H2V0. I guess several already tried this one.

The other one on my wish list would be 64P2H1V0, as this would be the first p2. To me it looks as if one could build the wings first an then activate the middle part in the very last moment.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Hunting » April 13th, 2020, 2:09 am

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 11:05 am
Of those spaceships that looked accessible to glider synthesis in the very first post of this thread, only two are missing now. One is 44P5H2V0. I guess several already tried this one.

The other one on my wish list would be 64P2H1V0, as this would be the first p2. To me it looks as if one could build the wings first an then activate the middle part in the very last moment.
Agreed, but it does not look like any still life as far as I know.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by googoIpIex » May 22nd, 2020, 2:43 pm

is this reduction to the escorted OWSS synthesis known? I used the 3 glider collisions program to reduce the synthesis by one glider:

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x = 140, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
13$88bo$89bo$87b3o$97bo$4bo90b2o$2bobo7bo26b2o24b2o24b2o3b2o23b4o$3b2o
6bo27b2o24b2o24b2o27bo3bo$11b3o110bo$120bo2bo$85bo33bo$14b2o67bobo31bo
5bo$13b2o22bo25bo20b2o3bo34bo$15bo20bobo23bobo23bobo2b2o22bo6bo$37b2o
24b2o24b2ob2o24b7o$94bo$87b2o$86bobo$88bo32b4o$66b2o24b2o26bo3bo$39b3o
24b2o24b2o4bo25bo$41bo55b2o21bo2bo$40bo56bobo$42b3o43b2o$42bo44bobo$
43bo45bo!
EDIT:

Full synthesis, the repeat time is slower than the old version:

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x = 31, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
5bo$3bobo$4b2o$27bobo$27b2o$28bo3$bo$2bo$3o$5bo$6b2o$5b2o6bobo$13b2o$
14bo2$15b3o$15bo$16bo7$15b3o7bo$17bo6b2o$16bo7bobo$18b3o$3b3o12bo$5bo
13bo$4bo2$29b2o$28b2o$30bo$4b3o$6bo$5bo!
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by calcyman » May 22nd, 2020, 5:38 pm

googoIpIex wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 2:43 pm
is this reduction to the escorted OWSS synthesis known?
If it's cheaper than the one on Catagolue, it's most probably new. :)
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by googoIpIex » May 22nd, 2020, 6:02 pm

calcyman wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 5:38 pm
googoIpIex wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 2:43 pm
is this reduction to the escorted OWSS synthesis known?
If it's cheaper than the one on Catagolue, it's most probably new. :)
Here are all the ways to remove a glider, including one surprisingly long lasting one:

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x = 344, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
10$19bo48bo60bo63bo26bo55bo42bo$7b2o11bo48b2o50bo7bobo59b2o28bo55bo42b
o$7b2o9b3o47b2o52bo6b2o61b2o25b3o53b3o40b3o6bo$80bo39b3o46bo157bobo$
72bo6b2o89bo156b2o$25b2o45b2o5bobo86b3o48b2o48b2o7bo42bo$20b3o2bobo43b
obo44b2o98bobo47bobo7b2o41b2o$5bo16bo2bo93b2o99bo3b2o44bo6bobo40bobo$
4bobo14bo96bo51b3o51bobo$5b2o165bo51bo$171bo!
It may still be possible to reduce the synthesis by one glider if we can find a 4 glider collision for the full constellation of two blocks and a boat.

Has anyone attempted to make an equivalent of synthesize_constellation_ee9.py for 4 gliders?
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by dvgrn » May 22nd, 2020, 6:18 pm

googoIpIex wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 6:02 pm
Has anyone attempted to make an equivalent of synthesize_constellation_ee9.py for 4 gliders?
Yes, wildmyron made a good start on that project.

The 4G collisions included in the search are only a very small fraction of all 4G collisions -- but they're definitely a lot better than nothing!

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by mniemiec » June 6th, 2020, 8:17 pm

I was just informed about Goldtiger997's synthesis of 32P8H4V0. Very nice work!
There are a few places where minor improvements can be made:
The 3-glider add-a-block step can be replaced by combining a 2-glider form-simultaneous-block with an earlier step, saving 1.
The 2-glider eater-to-boat step can be done with 1 glider, saving 1.
The 6-glider add-bookend step can be done with 5 gliders, saving 1.
The 3-glider bookend-to-bun step can be done with 2 gliders, saving 1.
One stage with LWSS can flip the LWSS and move one glider to eliminate a spurious block, saving 1 cleanup glider.
The 3-glider boat-to-table and 3-glider table-to-long-bookend can be replaced by 2-glider boat-to-cap and 2-glider cap-to-long-bookend, saving 2.
These reduce the cost from 189 to 182:

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x = 159, y = 93, rule = B3/S23
15bobo$15boo105bo$16bo103bobo$obo118boo$boo$bo130bobo$132boo$19bo113bo
$18bo$18b3o34bo29bo29bo29bo$15boo20boo16b3o27b3o27b3o16bo10b3o$14bobo
20boo19bo10boo17bo29bo14bo14bo$13bobo41bo10boo17bo29bo15b3o11bo9boo$
12bobo22boo18boo7bo3bo16boo28boo4boo22boo4boobobo$12bo23bobbo15boobbo
4b3o18boobbo4bo20boobbo4bo11boo7boobbo4bobo$11boo23bobo15bobobo4bo20bo
bobo4bobo18bobobo4bo12bobo5bobobo4bobboo$35booboo14boboboo3boo19bobob
oo3boo19boboboo3boo11bo7boboboo3boo$9b4o22bo19bo5boo22bo5boo22bo5boo
22bo5boo$9bobbo23b6o14b5obboo21b5obboo21b5obboo21b5obboo$38bobbo16bobb
obbo23bobbobbo23bobbobbo23bobbobbo$61boo28boo28bobo8b3o16bobo$18bo103b
o9bo19bo$17boo114bo$17bobo$$11boo$10boo$12bo8$56bo$57boo$56boo$75bo$
70bobobbobo$70boo3boo$71bo$54bobo$55boo27bobbo$55bo27bo$83bo3bo$78bo4b
4o$70bo6bo$69bobo5b3o$5bo29bo19bo13boo24bo$5b3o27b3o17b3o37b3o4boo$8bo
29bo19bo7boo30bo3bo$7bo29bo19bo8bobo28bo6bo$7boo4booboo19boo4booboo9b
oo4boobobbo27boo4boo$5boobbo4bobo18boobbo4bobobo6boobbo4bobo3bo24boobb
o4boboo$4bobobo4bobbobo4bo10bobobo4bobbobo5bobobo4bobbobobo23bobobo4bo
bboo$4boboboo3boobboo4bobo8boboboo3boobbo6boboboo3boobbobo24boboboo3b
oo$5bo5boo10boo10bo5boo12bo5boo5bo26bo5boo$6b5obboo21b5obboo11b5obboo
31b5obboo$8bobbobbo5b3o15bobbobbo13bobbobbo33bobbobbo$11bobo6bo20bobo
17bobo37bobo$12bo8bo20bo19bo14b3o22bo$66boo9bo$65bobo10bo$67bo$69b3o$
69bo11boo$70bo10bobo$81bo7$18bo$19bo$17b3o$$20bobo$12boo6boo20boo28boo
28boo$7boo3bo8bo15boo3bo24boo3bo24boo3bo$8bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo8bo15bo4b
o3boo$7bo6bo22bo6boboo19bo6boboobboo15bo6bobobo$7boo4boobbo19boo4boobo
bo18boo4boobobobboo14boo4boobo$5boobbo4bobobo16boobbo4bobobo16boobbo4b
obobo16boobbo4bobo$4bobobo4bobboo16bobobo4bobboo16bobobo4bobboo4bo11bo
bobo4bobboo$4boboboo3boo19boboboo3boo19boboboo3boo6boo11boboboo3boo$5b
o5boo22bo5boo22bo5boo8bobo11bo5boo$6b5obboo21b5obboo21b5obboo21b5obboo
$8bobbobbo23bobbobbo23bobbobbo23bobbobbo$11bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo$12bo
29bo29bo29bo!
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is this reduction to the escorted OWSS synthesis known? I used the 3 glider collisions program to reduce the synthesis by one glider: ...
Yes. I have this same 12-glider synthesis from 2002-12-03. Here are the two other 12-glider syntheses for the flotillae with one or both LWSS moved down two, also from the same date.

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x = 138, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
91bo$92boo$91boo$30boo$29bobbo74bobo$30boo31bo34bobo6boo$obo58bobo29b
oo4boo7bo$boo27bo31boo29boo4bo23b3o3b3o$bo28boo4bo22boo61bobbo3bobbo$
29bobo3bobo20bobo8boo5boo21boo5boo17bo3bo5b3o$bb3o30bobo22bo8bobo4boo
10b3o8bobo4boo17bo3bo4bobbo$4bo31bo33bo19bo4b3obbo21bobo4bo7bo$3bo85bo
7bo12boo17bo7bo$96bo13bobo16bo3boobo$101b3o6bo19bobo$101bo$102bo13$90b
o$91boo$30boo58boo16bobo$29bobbo64bobo8boo$30boo66boo9bo$obo95bo$boo
27bo32bo$bo28boo4bo24bobo29boo$29bobo3bobo24boo5boo5boo15boo4boo5boo
21b3o$bb3o30bobo21boo8bobo4boo21bobo4boo21bobbo$4bo31bo21bobo9bo29bo
22b3o3bo5b3o$3bo56bo34boo25bobbo3bo4bobbo$87b3o4bobo14boo12bo3bo7bo$
89bo6bo14bobo11bo3bo7bo$88bo13b3o6bo10bobo4bo3boobo$97bo4bo27bobo$96b
oo5bo$96bobo3$101bo$100boo$100bobo!

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Extrementhusiast » June 12th, 2020, 8:05 pm

Key step for HWSS/14WSS/HWSS flotilla:

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x = 53, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
15bobo$16b2o$16bo5$30bo$31bo$29b3o3$5bo$6bo$4b3o18bo13bo$23bobo14b2obo
$24b2o13b2o2bobo$43b2o13$33b2o$33bobo$34bobo$26b2o7b2o$26b2o$30b2o19bo
$29bo2bo17b2o$29bo2bo17bobo$3o9b3o15b2o$2bo11bo$bo11bo$8b2o$9b2o$8bo7$
50bo$49b2o$49bobo$12b2o$11bobo$13bo30b2o$43b2o$45bo2$13b2o$14b2o$13bo!
I also found another easily-constructed predecessor to the odd-length two-headed ship:

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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b2o$obo2b3o$bo4bo$5bobo!
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by yujh » June 12th, 2020, 9:16 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 8:05 pm
Key step for HWSS/14WSS/HWSS flotilla:

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x = 53, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
15bobo$16b2o$16bo5$30bo$31bo$29b3o3$5bo$6bo$4b3o18bo13bo$23bobo14b2obo
$24b2o13b2o2bobo$43b2o13$33b2o$33bobo$34bobo$26b2o7b2o$26b2o$30b2o19bo
$29bo2bo17b2o$29bo2bo17bobo$3o9b3o15b2o$2bo11bo$bo11bo$8b2o$9b2o$8bo7$
50bo$49b2o$49bobo$12b2o$11bobo$13bo30b2o$43b2o$45bo2$13b2o$14b2o$13bo!
I also found another easily-constructed predecessor to the odd-length two-headed ship:

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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b2o$obo2b3o$bo4bo$5bobo!
Absolutely accidetal, known?

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x = 53, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
15bobo$16b2o$16bo5$30bo$31bo$29b3o3$5bo$6bo$4b3o18bo13bo$23bobo14b2obo
$24b2o13b2o2bobo$43b2o13$33b2o$33bobo$34bobo$25b2o8b2o$25b2o$30b2o19bo
$29bo2bo17b2o$29bo2bo17bobo$3o9b3o15b2o$2bo11bo$bo11bo$8b2o$9b2o$8bo7$
50bo$49b2o$49bobo$12b2o$11bobo$13bo30b2o$43b2o$45bo2$13b2o$14b2o$13bo!
B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by BlinkerSpawn » June 13th, 2020, 4:48 pm

yujh wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 9:16 pm
Absolutely accidetal, known?

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moving the block modifies the back
c2-0020.lif, third ship in the second column:

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x = 7, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
6o$o5bo$o$bo4bo$3b2o$2b3o$b5o$2ob4o$b2o4$6o$o5bo$o$bo4bo$3b2o!
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by yujh » June 13th, 2020, 7:23 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 4:48 pm
yujh wrote:
June 12th, 2020, 9:16 pm
Absolutely accidetal, known?

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moving the block modifies the back
c2-0020.lif, third ship in the second column:

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x = 7, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
6o$o5bo$o$bo4bo$3b2o$2b3o$b5o$2ob4o$b2o4$6o$o5bo$o$bo4bo$3b2o!
I mean if the synth is known :?:
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by dvgrn » June 13th, 2020, 9:09 pm

yujh wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 7:23 pm
I mean if the synth is known :?:
Looks like Mark Niemiec's syntheses haven't all been imported to Catagolue yet. Not surprisingly, there's one in his database that's quite a bit cheaper than the accidental one:

EDIT: Correction: it wasn't cheaper unless I left off the second half of the recipe. Removed bad RLE.

This, and maybe other unknown-to-Catagolue things like it, can be found by pasting the spaceship RLE into Mark Niemiec's search page. The "image" search works with ASCII pattern text and RLEs.

These days that's mostly a second place to look, after running biggiemac's script to see if a synthesis shows up in Catagolue.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by yujh » June 13th, 2020, 9:13 pm

dvgrn wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 9:09 pm
yujh wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 7:23 pm
I mean if the synth is known :?:
Looks like Mark Niemiec's syntheses haven't all been imported to Catagolue yet. Not surprisingly, there's one in his database that's quite a bit cheaper than the accidental one:

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snip
This, and maybe other unknown-to-Catagolue things like it, can be found by pasting the spaceship RLE into Mark Niemiec's search page. The "image" search works with ASCII pattern text and RLEs.

These days that's mostly a second place to look, after running biggiemac's script to see if a synthesis shows up in Catagolue.
?
Is the rle wrong?
Edit: the synth itself,

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x = 147, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
66bo$65bo$65b3o12$49bo$47bobo$48b2o$52bo$4bo45b2o25b2o$4bobo17b2o25b2o
11b2o12bo5b2o$3ob2o17bo2bo36bo2bo10bo5bo2bo$2bo20bobo37bobo11bobo3bobo
$bo22bo39bo13b2o4bo16$35b2o$34bobo$36bo9$97bo$98bo$96b3o4bobo12bo$104b
2o12bobo$104bo13b2o$41bo$42b2o49bo$41b2o51bo$92b3o27bo$46bo10b2o12b2o
4b2o22b2o4b2o13bobo$47bo10bo5b2o4bo2bo4bo5b2o14bo2bo4bo5b2o6b2o$45b3o
9bo5bo2bo4bobo3bo5bo2bo14bobo3bo5bo2bo$57bobo3bobo6bo4bobo3bobo16bo4bo
bo3bobo$58b2o4bo13b2o4bo23b2o4bo22b3o$44b3o90bo2bo$46bo85bo4bo6bo$45bo
85b3o3bo5b3o$89b2o40bob2o2bo5bob2o$88bobo3b2o7b2o20b3o4b3o2bo6b3o$90bo
2bobo6bobo15b3o2bo6b3o2bo6b3o$95bo8bo15bo5bo5b3o2bo6b3o$121bo10b2o3bo
6b2o$137bo2bo$100b2o$99bobo$101bo!
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by dvgrn » June 13th, 2020, 10:47 pm

yujh wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is the rle wrong?
Yeah, it was incomplete -- I copied and pasted too fast.

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x = 148, y = 109, rule = B3/S23
74bo$75bo$73b3o$118bo$116b2o$117b2o3$120bo$118b2o$119b2o3$84bobo$85b2o
2bobo$85bo3b2o$90bo8$90b2o$89bobo$91bo6$74b2o$75b2o14b3o$74bo18bo$92bo
8$138bo4b3o$137b3o3bo2bo$136b2obo3bo$136b3o4bo3bo$136b3o4bo3bo$136b3o
4bo$137b2o5bobo5$93bo39bo$92b3o37b3o$92bob2o36bob2o$93b3o37b3o$93b2o
38b2o14$85bobo$86b2o$86bo2$94bo$94bobo$94b2o$37bo$35bobo19b2o21bobo4b
2o$36b2o19b2o22b2o4b2o$o3bo28b2o46bo$b2obobo25bobo$2o2b2o16bo11bo7bo
19bo20bo8bo$21bobo17bobo17bobo20b2o5bobo$6b3o13bo19bo19bo20b2o7bo$6bo$
7bo4$80bo6bo$80b2o5b2o9bo4b3o25b3o4bo4b3o$79bobo4bobo8b3o3bo2bo24bo2bo
2b3o3bo2bo$96b2obo3bo27bo4b2obo3bo$96b3o4bo3bo23bo3b4o4bo3bo$82b3o11b
3o4bo3bo23bo3b4o4bo3bo$84bo11b3o4bo27bo5b2o4bo$83bo7b3o3b2o5bobo25bobo
3bo5bobo$93bo$92bo3$93bo$92b3o$92bob2o$93b3o$93b2o!
Looks like Mark's synthesis was 24 gliders in all, if I'm counting correctly, so the new one is an improvement.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by Hunting » June 13th, 2020, 10:57 pm

But yet, a lengthening OWSS hitting a block will turn it into the tail is known, so that's not a real discovery.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by yujh » June 13th, 2020, 11:11 pm

dvgrn wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 10:47 pm
yujh wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 9:13 pm
Is the rle wrong?
Yeah, it was incomplete -- I copied and pasted too fast.

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x = 148, y = 109, rule = B3/S23
74bo$75bo$73b3o$118bo$116b2o$117b2o3$120bo$118b2o$119b2o3$84bobo$85b2o
2bobo$85bo3b2o$90bo8$90b2o$89bobo$91bo6$74b2o$75b2o14b3o$74bo18bo$92bo
8$138bo4b3o$137b3o3bo2bo$136b2obo3bo$136b3o4bo3bo$136b3o4bo3bo$136b3o
4bo$137b2o5bobo5$93bo39bo$92b3o37b3o$92bob2o36bob2o$93b3o37b3o$93b2o
38b2o14$85bobo$86b2o$86bo2$94bo$94bobo$94b2o$37bo$35bobo19b2o21bobo4b
2o$36b2o19b2o22b2o4b2o$o3bo28b2o46bo$b2obobo25bobo$2o2b2o16bo11bo7bo
19bo20bo8bo$21bobo17bobo17bobo20b2o5bobo$6b3o13bo19bo19bo20b2o7bo$6bo$
7bo4$80bo6bo$80b2o5b2o9bo4b3o25b3o4bo4b3o$79bobo4bobo8b3o3bo2bo24bo2bo
2b3o3bo2bo$96b2obo3bo27bo4b2obo3bo$96b3o4bo3bo23bo3b4o4bo3bo$82b3o11b
3o4bo3bo23bo3b4o4bo3bo$84bo11b3o4bo27bo5b2o4bo$83bo7b3o3b2o5bobo25bobo
3bo5bobo$93bo$92bo3$93bo$92b3o$92bob2o$93b3o$93b2o!
Looks like Mark's synthesis was 24 gliders in all, if I'm counting correctly, so the new one is an improvement.
this is not the same ship...
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Post by dvgrn » June 14th, 2020, 7:45 am

yujh wrote:
June 13th, 2020, 11:11 pm
this is not the same ship...
Apologies again for the confusion. The synthesis from Mark Niemiec's database is for xq20_gocow211vwgocoz7ffxgwvw7ff, which is the ship created by your version of Extrementhusiast's "key step", moving the block slightly. There was no synth in Catagolue yesterday, but now there's a 22-glider recipe based on that key step, which is an improvement on Mark's 24 gliders.

Extrementhusiast's unmodified synth creates xq4_gocow211vwgocoz7ffy2vw7ffzy16g0gf, also in in 22 gliders.

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