The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Jormungant » November 6th, 2020, 6:06 pm

sadly the current arbitrary threshold number for the repeat time needed for a conduit is 300, so it does not make the cut. dvgrn does not like these glider reflector stabilization too...

well, how about repeat time 299? :D

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x = 208, y = 152, rule = LifeHistory
26$139.2B$138.3B$137.4B$136.4B$135.4B$128.2BD7B$128.B2D6B$128.2B2D4B$
128.8B5.2A$82.2A40.2A2.8B5.A$81.B2AB11.2A.A.2A20.A.A2.8B2.BA.A$82.3B
4.A.2A.A2.A.2A2.A19.A4.9B.B2A$81.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A13.A3.2A4.11B$81.
5B8.B2.5A.A12.3A9.11B5.A$81.6B6.2ABA4.A13.A10.2AB.9B3.3A$81.8B4.2A.A.
A3.A12.2A8.A.AB2.7B3.A$82.13B2.A.A3.A9.4B8.A5.8B2.2A$80.13B5.A3.2A8.
3B9.2A4.13B$79.15B18.4B14.11B$79.15B4.B12.5B13.13B$78.17B.B.2B11.6B
13.12B4.2A$78.29B2.8B13.12B4.A$77.9B2A2B2A11BD14B11.13B.BA.A$76.9BABA
2B2A9B3D13B11.9B3D2B.B2A$75.2AB3.6BA13BDBD4B.7B12.10BD5B$74.A2.A4.19B
D15B12.7B3D4B$73.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.16B$73.A7.6B14.17B8.18B$72.2A
6.9B14.15B.2B2.20B$79.4B4.2A15.22BD17B$78.4B5.A16.8B.13BDBD4B.11B$77.
4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.3BD7B$76.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B2.2B3D2B.
4B9.3B$75.4B24.A10.18B4.D2B2DB2.4B7.5B$75.3B22.3A12.B.3B.4B10.7B3.4B
6.6B$76.B23.A19.4B12.6B4.4B5.2BA4B$119.4B13.7B4.4B4.BABA4B$118.4B14.
7B5.4B2.2BABA6B$117.4B14.9B5.4B2.2BA8B$116.4B15.2BD7B5.4B2.10B$115.4B
15.2B3D7B5.4B.10B$114.4B17.3BD2B2.4B5.15B$113.4B18.7B2.4B5.14B$112.B
2AB17.11B.4B5.13B$111.3BA16.B.2B2A13B5.12B$110.B3A16.2A3B2A9B.4B5.11B
$111.AB17.2A14B2.4B5.12B$131.14B4.4B3.14B2.B$129.5B2.B2.2B.3B5.4B.19B
$129.2A4.3B5.2A6.24B$130.A3.B2AB5.A8.14B2A7B$127.3A5.2A7.3A3.16B2A8B$
127.A18.A3.26B$146.A.2AB.24B$144.2A.A.AB4.21B$144.A2.A7.22B$146.2A9.
20B$158.19B2A$158.14B4.A2BA2.2A$159.13B4.ABAB3.A2.A$157.2AB.B.9B5.A4B
.A.A.A$156.A.AB4.8B7.B2A.A2.A$156.A10.3B9.BAB.A$155.2A20.A4.A$177.5A
2$179.A$178.A.A$179.A29$11.2A$12.2A$11.A!
wondered if that potential extra H could be use to stabilise things, I could not see that it did no manage with +- trivial means, but there might be good search space here.

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x = 97, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
$68.2B$67.3B$66.4B$65.4B$64.4B$57.2BD7B$57.B2D6B$57.2B2D4B$57.8B5.2A$
11.2A40.2A2.8B5.A$10.B2AB11.2A.A.2A20.A.A2.8B2.BA.A$11.3B4.A.2A.A2.A.
2A2.A19.A4.9B.B2A$10.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A13.A3.2A4.11B$10.5B8.B2.5A.A
12.3A9.11B5.A$10.6B6.2ABA4.A13.A10.2AB.9B3.3A$10.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.2A8.
A.AB2.7B3.A$11.13B2.A.A3.A9.4B8.A5.8B2.2A$9.13B5.A3.2A8.3B9.2A4.13B$
8.15B18.4B14.11B$8.15B4.B12.5B13.13B$7.17B.B.2B11.6B13.12B4.2A$7.29B
2.8B13.12B4.A$6.9B2A2B2A11BD14B11.13B.BA.A$5.9BABA2B2A9B3D13B11.9B3D
2B.B2A$4.2AB3.6BA13BDBD4B.7B12.10BD5B$3.A2.A4.19BD15B12.7B3D4B$2.A.2A
5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.16B$2.A7.6B14.17B8.18B$.2A6.9B14.15B.2B2.20B$8.4B
4.2A15.22BD17B$7.4B5.A16.8B.13BDBD4B.11B$6.4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.
3BD7B$5.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B2.2B3D2B.4B$7.B24.A10.18B4.D2B2DB2.
4B$29.3A12.B.3B.4B10.7B3.4B$29.A19.4B12.6B4.B$48.4B12.8B4.B$47.4B14.
7B$46.4B14.9B$45.4B15.2BD7B$44.4B15.2B3D7B$43.4B17.3BD8B8.2A$42.4B18.
14B6.A3.2A$41.B2AB17.19B5.A2.A$40.3BA16.B.2B2A11BD4B3.4A$39.B3A16.2A
3B2A9B3D7B$40.AB17.2A14BDBD7B2A$60.15BD8BAB.A$58.5B2.B2.2B.13B.2A.A.
2A$58.2A4.3B8.12B.A.2A$59.A3.B2AB10.9B2.A$56.3A5.2A12.6B2.A.A$56.A19.
B3.4B2.2A$75.2AB.4B$75.2A3BA$76.B.BA.A$79.BA.A$82.A$82.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 6th, 2020, 6:53 pm

Jormungant wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:06 pm
wondered if that potential extra H could be use to stabilise things, I could not see that it did no manage with +- trivial means, but there might be good search space here.
I agree. There are plenty of H→G conduits. (The elementary conduits folder has 109, but some probably do the same thing with different sets of catalysts.) I'll start going through them and see if there's one that works.



Edit: None of them work. I might try to create something myself.
Last edited by MathAndCode on November 6th, 2020, 7:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » November 6th, 2020, 7:06 pm

bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 5:42 pm
307.
Really, is that all? That means that with a very minimal weld, this Herschel conduit just barely squeaks in under the 300-tick limit and becomes an Official Herschel Conduit that belongs in gmc_nxtman's collection. Here it is with 299-tick recovery time:

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x = 93, y = 73, rule = LifeHistory
48.4B$47.4B$33.A12.4B$24.A7.A.A10.4B$24.3A4.2BAB9.4B$27.A4.2B9.4B$26.
2A5.4B5.4B$14.B.7B3.3B3.6B3.4B$8.B.13B5.3B2.5B2.4B$3.21BD10BD7B$.D21B
D10B2D6B$B3D18B2D11B2D4B$.DBD15B2A2B2D16B5.2A$3.D15B2A3BD16B5.A$5.2B
2.2B3.27B2.BA.A$15.10B2.B3.B.9B.B2A$18.6B9.11B$20.3B10.11B5.A$22.B8.
2AB.9B3.3A$22.2A6.A.AB2.7B3.A$23.A6.A5.8B2.2A$20.3A6.2A4.13B$20.A14.
11B$34.13B$35.12B4.2A$35.12B4.A$34.13B.BA.A$33.9B3D2B.B2A$33.10BD5B$
34.7B3D4B$33.16B$31.18B$29.19B$29.2BC17B$28.3BCBC4B.11B$29.2B3C4B2.3B
D7B$28.5BC4B2.2B3D2B.4B9.3B$27.10B4.D2B2DB2.4B7.5B$26.4B10.7B3.4B6.6B
$25.4B12.6B4.4B5.2BA4B$24.4B13.7B4.4B4.BABA4B$23.4B14.7B5.4B2.2BABA6B
$22.4B14.9B5.4B2.2BA8B$21.4B15.2BD7B5.4B2.10B$20.4B15.2B3D7B5.4B.10B$
19.4B17.3BD2B2.4B5.15B$18.4B18.7B2.4B5.14B$17.4B17.11B.4B5.13B$16.4B
16.B.2B2A13B5.12B$15.4B16.2A3B2A9B.4B5.11B$17.B17.2A14B2.4B5.12B$36.
14B4.4B3.14B2.B$34.5B2.B2.2B.3B5.4B.19B$34.2A4.3B5.2A6.24B$35.A3.B2AB
5.A8.14B2A7B$32.3A5.2A7.3A3.16B2A8B$32.A18.A3.26B$51.A.2AB.24B$49.2A.
A.AB4.21B$49.A2.A7.22B$51.2A9.20B$63.19B2A$63.14B4.A2BA2.2A$64.13B4.A
BAB3.A2.A$62.2AB.B.9B5.A4B.A.A.A$61.A.AB4.8B7.B2A.A2.A$61.A10.3B9.BAB
.A$60.2A20.A4.A$82.5A2$84.A$83.A.A$84.A!
... Not that that really means that this particular B254 conduit is likely to see a lot of use in actual Herschel circuitry. When a rectifier cleanup is involved, there usually turns out to be something smaller and simpler that also recovers faster.

EDIT: Apologies for the duplicated content with Jormungant's post above. Sometimes it seems as if the PHPBB system just fails to warn me that somebody else has posted ... but probably I'm just being unobservant.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Jormungant » November 6th, 2020, 7:28 pm

well the natural glider from the H is rather problematic, so only unconventional connections works, like an h-to-p and a few h-to-b and h-to-g that are not producing it. It is a tall order, but I cannot rule every possibility easily.

(@dvgrn, I posted that weld first :D, not that it is going to be popular/useful as you mentioned)

well, there is this, but replacing a block from a H is not exactly a trivial task.

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x = 42, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
2$24.2B$23.2AB$22.ABAB$15.B5.3BA$14.B2A3.4B$12.2ABC7B$11.A2B2D6B$11.
4B2D4B$11.2BA7B5.2A$9.A2B.8B5.A$8.A.2A.8B2.BA.A$8.A4.9B.B2A$7.2A4.11B
$13.11B5.A$11.2AB.9B3.3A$10.A.AB2.7B3.A$10.A5.8B2.2A$9.2A4.13B$15.11B
$14.13B$15.12B4.2A$15.12B4.A$14.13B.BA.A$13.9B3D2B.B2A$13.10BD5B$14.
7B3D4B$13.16B$11.18B2.2A$8.20B2.B2AB$8.3BC17B.6B$8.3BCBC4B.11B.4B$8.
3B3C4B2.3BD12B$8.5BC4B2.2B3D9B2C$8.9B4.D2B2D8B2C$8.2B10.13B.B$8.B12.
9B4.B$20.11B$21.7B.7B$20.9B.8B$20.2BD13B$19.2B3D12B$20.3BD11B$20.14B$
18.15B$16.B.2B2A10B.D$15.2A3B2A9B3D$15.2A8B2.3B.D.D$16.9B2.2B2.D$14.
5B2.B2.B2.B$14.2A4.3B$15.A3.B2AB$12.3A5.2A$12.A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 6th, 2020, 8:20 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:53 pm
I might try to create something myself.
This looks promising.

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x = 42, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
14bo$5bo7bobo$5b3o6bo$8bo$7b2o6$2o25b2o$2o25bo$25bobo$25b2o2$30bo$12b2o14b3o$3b2o6bobo13bo$4bo6bo15b2o$b3o6b2o$bo2$32b2o$32bo$30bobo$30b2o6$12bo$12bobo$12b3o$14bo12$21b2o$16b2o3b2o$16b2o$38b2o$38bobo$15b2o23bo$16bo4b2o17b2o$13b3o5b2o$13bo!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 130 PASTE b! 31 49  ]]
#C [[ PASTET 132 PASTE b! 36 46 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 134 PASTE b! 33 47 ]]
Last edited by MathAndCode on November 24th, 2020, 6:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » November 7th, 2020, 12:02 am

MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 8:20 pm
This looks promising.
I think we could use some new conventions for this kind of PASTET-assisted mechanism, so that it's not necessary to read the LifeViewer commands to see exactly where the illegal interference happens. Can anybody make some variation of this work?

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x = 42, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
14.A$5.A7.A.A$5.3A6.A$8.A$7.2A6$2A25.2A$2A25.A$25.A.A$25.2A2$30.A$12.
2A14.3A$3.2A6.A.A13.A$4.A6.A15.2A$.3A6.2A$.A2$32.2A$32.A$30.A.A$30.2A
6$12.A$12.A.A$12.3A$14.A12$21.2A$16.2A3.2A$16.2A$38.2A$38.A.A$15.2A
23.A$16.A4.2A17.2A$13.3A5.2A$13.A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 130 PASTE D! 31 49  ]]
#C [[ PASTET 132 PASTE D! 36 46 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 134 PASTE D! 33 47 ]]
EDIT: Yay, it works now -- thanks, Chris! The rest of this message is now out-of-date:
The cells to be turned OFF should pop up as marked OFF cells at T=130, T=132, and T=134... or that's how I think it should work, anyway. It doesn't work -- the cells just stay regular unmarked-OFF. Is this something that LifeViewer really should do differently, and maybe it's fixable? Or am I misusing a command somehow and there's a way to make it work?

This is better than nothing:

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x = 42, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
14.A$5.A7.A.A$5.3A6.A$8.A$7.2A6$2A25.2A$2A25.A$25.A.A$25.2A2$30.A$12.
2A14.3A$3.2A6.A.A13.A$4.A6.A15.2A$.3A6.2A$.A2$32.2A$32.A$30.A.A$30.2A
6$12.A$12.A.A$12.3A$14.A12$21.2A$16.2A3.2A$16.2A$38.2A$38.A.A$15.2A
23.A$16.A4.2A17.2A$13.3A5.2A$13.A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 0 PASTE C! 31 49  ]]
#C [[ PASTET 0 PASTE C! 36 46 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 0 PASTE C! 33 47 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 130 PASTE D! 31 49  ]]
#C [[ PASTET 132 PASTE D! 36 46 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 134 PASTE D! 33 47 ]]
... and this is actually pretty decent, but it could still be better:

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x = 42, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
14.A$5.A7.A.A$5.3A6.A$8.A$7.2A6$2A25.2A$2A25.A$25.A.A$25.2A2$30.A$12.
2A14.3A$3.2A6.A.A13.A$4.A6.A15.2A$.3A6.2A$.A2$32.2A$32.A$30.A.A$30.2A
6$12.A$12.A.A$12.3A$14.A12$21.2A13.D$16.2A3.2A10.D$16.2A$31.D6.2A$38.
A.A$15.2A23.A$16.A4.2A17.2A$13.3A5.2A$13.A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 130 PASTE D! 31 49  ]]
#C [[ PASTET 132 PASTE D! 36 46 ]]
#C [[ PASTET 134 PASTE D! 33 47 ]]

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by bubblegum » November 7th, 2020, 1:19 am

dvgrn wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 12:02 am
The cells to be turned OFF should pop up as marked OFF cells at T=130, T=132, and T=134... or that's how I think it should work, anyway. It doesn't work -- the cells just stay regular unmarked-OFF. Is this something that LifeViewer really should do differently, and maybe it's fixable? Or am I misusing a command somehow and there's a way to make it work?
Nope. This is a known bug in LifeViewer. I reported it together with the no-drawing bug, but only that was fixed.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » November 7th, 2020, 9:31 pm

New BF20H variant:

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x = 42, y = 35, rule = EV2Quadcolor
40.E$39.E.E$39.E.E$40.E$29.H$21.2G6.H.H$18.2F2.2G5.3H$18.2F.2G8.H$21.
G$7.2F$6.2F$8.F5$27.2E$3.2E11.F.F8.2E$2.E.E11.2F$2.E14.F$.2E$2.E.2E
10.2E$E.E.E.E8.E2.E$2E3.E9.E.E$16.E4$26.2E.E$11.2E13.2E.3E$11.2E19.E$
18.2E6.2E.3E$18.2E7.E.E$27.E.E$28.E!

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x = 42, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
40bo$39bobo$39bobo$40bo$29bo$21b2o6bo$22b2o5b3o$21b2o8bo$5bo15bo$7b2o$
6b2o$8bo5$27b2o$3b2o22b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o$2bob2o10b2o$obobobo8bo2bo$2o3b
o9bobo$16bo4$26b2obo$11b2o13b2ob3o$11b2o19bo$18b2o6b2ob3o$18b2o7bobo$
27bobo$28bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by A for awesome » November 7th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 9:31 pm
New BF20H variant:

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rles
Very nice! Trivial slight reduction:

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x = 42, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
40bo$39bobo$39bobo$40bo$29bo$21b2o6bo$22b2o5b3o$21b2o8bo$5bo15bo$7b2o
$6b2o$8bo5$27b2o$3b2o22b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o$2bob2o10b2o$bo2bobo8bo2bo$b2o
2bo9bobo$16bo4$26b2obo$11b2o13b2ob3o$11b2o19bo$18b2o6b2ob3o$18b2o7bob
o$27bobo$28bo!
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$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 7th, 2020, 10:38 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 9:31 pm
New BF20H variant:
I wonder whether or not it's possible to make a glider reflector from that.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by GUYTU6J » November 7th, 2020, 10:56 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 9:31 pm
New BF20H variant:
I wonder whether or not it's possible to make a glider reflector from that.
That idea could date back to June, when I was trying to modify a bandersnatch with that eater+boat weld. There are some periodic bumpers based on that, where the oscillator is used just to delete a blinker in time:
Jormungant wrote:
June 5th, 2020, 1:19 pm
nice! and here is the p8 version.

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x = 95, y = 84, rule = LifeHistory
$56.A$55.A.A$46.2A7.A.A$45.B2AB5.2A.3A$39.2A5.3B6.B4.A$38.B2AB2.B2.B
5.B2AB3A$38.14B.B2A.A$39.17B$38.17B$37.18B$36.8BA11B$28.2A3.AB.7BABA
10B$28.A.A.A.A7B2AB2A8B$30.A.2A.7B6A6B$29.2A6.5B6A7B$30.A8.3B2ABA9B$
30.A.AB5.4B3A10B$31.2AB2.8BA10B2A$33.22B2A$33.23B$34.21B$34.20B$33.
21B$34.20B$8.A25.16B.4B17.2A$7.A.A23.9B.7B2.4B14.A2.A$7.A.A22.9B2.3B.
2B4.4B11.5A$5.3A.2A20.4B4.B3.B10.4B9.A$4.A4.B11.2A7.A3B8.B.2B9.4B8.2A
2.2A$5.3AB2AB2.2B4.B2AB5.A3B11.BAB9.4B2.A2.4B2.A.A$7.A.2A3B2AB.7B3.B
3A10.2BABA10.5BA4B5.AB$9.5B2A2B2A11B11.BA3BA10.4BA4B4.2B$11.2BABAB2A
11B13.BA2B.A9.10B3.4B$10.4B4A2BA8B9.2B5.A.2BAB7.10B2.6B$10.7BAB2A5BAB
9.3B6.A3BAB6.3A3B3AB2.7B.2B$10.3BA4BA2BA5BA2B7.B2A2B5.ABA2B5.3BABABA
14B2A$7.2B.2BA2B2A5B2A3BA3B5.AB2A3B4.BAB8.4BA16B2A$6.2A6BA10BA2BA2B4.
A.4B.B5.2B9.3BA17B$6.2AB.BABA12B2A2B3.4B.A8.2B4.2B.B3.12B2A5B$7.B2.6B
A4BA3BABA3B.2B2ABA14.3A2.15BABA4B$9.2B5A2B3ABAB3A3BA.2B2AB15.3BAB.22B
$10.BA11BA6BAB2.3B14.A3BAB.21B2.B$10.3B2A7BA2BA3B3.B.2B4.2B8.A.A2BA3.
7B2A4B4A3B.B2A$9.4BA2BA4B3AB2A3B9.2A5.B.A2BA.A4.7B2A4B2AB2A5B2A$8.2A
6B2AB2A2B3A5B8.3B4.2BA3BA5.7B2ABA4BA5B.2B$8.B2A2BA2BA2BA6BA5B5.A3BA5.
BA3B7.7BAB4ABA5B$9.2B.BA2B3A2.3B3A4B6.A4BA6.3A9.5BABA3BA6B$13.A3BAB2.
5BA4B7.BABA.A5.2B9.7BA11B$14.4B3.10B9.A.ABAB13.7B5A7B$16.2B4.9B10.A4B
A11.7B2AB2A10B$15.BA5.10B10.A3BA10.4B3.B2ABA2B.B2A3B2A.A$15.A.A2.4B2.
B2.4B9.3B11.4B5.B3A4.2A2.B2AB3A$16.2A2.2A8.4B9.2A.B8.4B7.2B11.B4.A$
21.A9.4B10.B3.B4.4B20.2A.3A$16.5A11.4B4.2B.3B2.9B22.A.A$15.A2.A14.4B
2.7B.9B23.A.A$15.2A17.4B.16B25.A$35.20B$35.21B$35.20B$34.7BA13B$33.9B
A13B$32.2A6B3A13B$32.2A19B2.B2A$33.17B5.BA.A$34.16B8.A$34.18B6.2A$35.
8B2A9B.2A.A$34.8BA2BA8BA.A.A.A$33.10BABA7B.BA3.2A$33.11BA8B$34.18B$
34.17B$33.17B$31.A.2AB.14B$29.3AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB$28.A4.B6.3B5.2A$29.
3A.2A5.B2AB$31.A.A7.2A$31.A.A$32.A!
I really feels like that blinker could have a proper stable eater, but it might be a lie. but p3-5 surely works:

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x = 163, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
4$73.2A7.2A$21.A51.A2.2A.2A2.A$20.BAB51.2A.A.A.2A$20.BA53.A.A.A.A$21.
2A52.A.3A.A55.2A$21.2B.A51.5A57.A$20.A4BA112.A.2A$21.2B.BA109.A.2A2.A
$21.3A111.A3.2A$9.2B11.B9.4B41.3A55.A.2A$9.3B10.B3.B4.4B43.A57.A.A$9.
4B4.2B.3B2.9B31.2B11.A9.4B42.A$10.4B2.7B.9B32.3B10.B3.B4.4B31.2B11.A
9.4B$11.4B.16B33.4B4.2B.3B2.9B32.3B10.B3.B4.4B$12.20B34.4B2.7B.9B33.
4B4.2B.3B2.9B$12.21B34.4B.16B35.4B2.7B.9B$12.20B36.20B36.4B.16B$11.7B
A13B36.21B36.20B$10.9BA13B35.20B37.21B$9.2A6B3A13B34.7BA13B37.20B$9.
2A19B2.B2A31.9BA13B35.7BA13B$10.17B5.BA.A29.2A6B3A13B34.9BA13B$11.16B
8.A29.2A19B2.B2A31.2A6B3A13B$11.18B6.2A29.17B5.BA.A30.2A19B2.B2A$12.
8B2A9B.2A.A31.16B8.A31.17B5.BA.A$11.8BA2BA8BA.A.A.A29.18B6.2A31.16B8.
A$10.10BABA7B.BA3.2A30.8B2A9B.2A.A32.18B6.2A$10.11BA8B37.8BA2BA8BA.A.
A.A31.8B2A9B.2A.A$11.18B37.10BABA7B.BA3.2A30.8BA2BA8BA.A.A.A$11.17B
38.11BA8B37.10BABA7B.BA3.2A$10.17B40.18B38.11BA8B$8.A.2AB.14B39.17B
40.18B$6.3AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB38.17B41.17B$5.A4.B6.3B5.2A37.A.2AB.14B39.
17B$6.3A.2A5.B2AB41.3AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB37.A.2AB.14B$8.A.A7.2A41.A4.B6.
3B5.2A36.3AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB$8.A.A51.3A.2A5.B2AB41.A4.B6.3B5.2A$9.A54.
A.A7.2A43.3A.2A5.B2AB$64.A.A54.A.A7.2A$65.A55.A.A$122.A!
Before that I and EV found a G3 receiver along similar lines:

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x = 37, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo15b2o$6bobo7bobo$7b2o6b3o$7bo7b2o$16bobo$17bobo2b2o$18bo2bob
o$19b4o$20b2o10$11b2o$11b2o4$22b2o$21bo2bo4b2o2bo$22bobo4b2o2b3o$23bo
12bo$35b2o3$10bob2o$8b3ob2o13b2o$7bo19b2o$8b3ob2o6b2o$10bobo7b2o$10bob
o$11bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by rowett » November 8th, 2020, 6:07 am

dvgrn wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 12:02 am
I think we could use some new conventions for this kind of PASTET-assisted mechanism, so that it's not necessary to read the LifeViewer commands to see exactly where the illegal interference happens. Can anybody make some variation of this work?
Fixed, thanks.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Jormungant » November 8th, 2020, 9:25 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 10:56 pm
Before that I and EV found a G3 receiver along similar lines:

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x = 37, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo15b2o$6bobo7bobo$7b2o6b3o$7bo7b2o$16bobo$17bobo2b2o$18bo2bob
o$19b4o$20b2o10$11b2o$11b2o4$22b2o$21bo2bo4b2o2bo$22bobo4b2o2b3o$23bo
12bo$35b2o3$10bob2o$8b3ob2o13b2o$7bo19b2o$8b3ob2o6b2o$10bobo7b2o$10bob
o$11bo!
Kazyan showed a way to get it to work with p7, I found the p8 way, and I thought I did not succeed to get p<7 to work, but I just realized that i did not try p6, which is very similar to the p7 strategy.

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x = 56, y = 135, rule = LifeHistory
5$47.B$46.2B$45.3B$19.2A23.4B$9.2B6.BA2BA21.4B$9.3B5.BA2B21.4B$9.4B4.
BAB21.4B$9.5B3.BABA3.A15.4B$9.6B3.BA.A.2BA13.4B$9.7B4.A4BA12.4B$10.7B
3.B4A12.4B$11.7B3.4B11.4B$12.7B16.4B$13.7B.2B.3B2.9B$14.13B.9B$15.21B
$16.20B$16.21B$16.20B$15.21B$14.23B$13.2A9BC13B$13.2A10BC.7B.4B$14.9B
3C5B5.4B$15.16B6.4B$15.18B$16.8B2A8B$15.8BA2BA7B$14.10BABA6B$14.11BA
8B2.2A$15.18B.AB.A$10.2A3.17B2.3B$10.A3.17B3.2B$12.A.2AB.14B2.2A.A$
11.2AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB4.A.A2.2A$14.B6.3B5.2A6.A2.B.A$11.2A.2A5.B2AB13.
A3B$12.A.A7.2A14.A2BA$12.A.A$13.A$47.B$46.2B$45.3B$28.2A14.4B$29.A13.
4B$27.A.A.2A9.4B$25.5A2.A8.4B$10.B14.2A3.2A8.4B$10.2B14.B3A9.4B$10.3B
4.2A6.2AB.A8.4B$10.4B4.A2.2A2.3A9.4B$11.4B3.A.A.A3.B9.4B$12.4B3.A.B4.
B3.B4.4B$13.4B4.2B.3B2.9B$14.4B2.7B.9B$15.4B.16B$16.20B$16.21B$16.20B
$15.21B$14.23B$13.2A9BC13B$13.2A10BC8B.4B$14.9B3C5B5.4B$15.16B6.4B$
15.18B5.4B$16.8B2A8B5.4B$15.8BA2BA7B6.4B$14.10BABA6B8.4B$14.11BA8B2.
2A4.4B$15.18B.BABAB4.4B$10.2A3.17B2.3AB6.4B$10.A3.17B3.2A2B7.3B$12.A.
2AB.14B2.BA.2A7.2B$11.2AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB3.BA.3B6.B$14.B6.3B5.2A6.2A3B
A$11.2A.2A5.B2AB12.2BA2B.A$12.A.A7.2A15.B2AB3A$12.A.A24.2AB4.A$13.A
24.A.2AB2A.A$37.A.A.B2.A.2A$37.A.A.2A.A$38.2A.A2.A$42.2A4$20.2A$20.3B
21.B$18.A3BA20.2B$18.A4BA18.3B$19.BABA.A16.4B$10.B10.A.ABAB13.4B$10.
2B10.A4BA11.4B$10.3B10.A3BA10.4B$10.4B9.3B11.4B$11.4B9.2C10.4B$12.4B
10.B3.B4.4B$13.4B4.2B.3B2.9B$14.4B2.7B.9B$15.4B.16B$16.21B$16.21B$16.
21B$15.21B$14.23B$13.2A9BC13B$13.2A10BC8B.4B$14.9B3C5B5.4B$15.16B6.4B
$15.18B5.4B$16.8B2A9B4.4B$15.8BA2BA8B5.4B$14.10BABA9B5.4B$14.11BA9B7.
3B$15.20B.BA5.2B$10.2A3.19B2.2AB5.B$10.A3.17B3.DAB2A$12.A.2AB.14B2.3A
2BA$11.2AB2AB5.B2.B2.B2AB3.BABA.A$14.B6.3B5.2A6.A.ABAB$11.2A.2A5.B2AB
13.A2B3A$12.A.A7.2A15.2ABAB$12.A.A24.B2A$13.A26.AB!
Also, we have a brand new "Periodic Herschel Conduits" thread, that should go over there.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 8th, 2020, 4:51 pm

dvgrn wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:11 am
Argh, what is it about LWSSes that they always show up traveling in the maximally inconvenient direction, from the point of view of repeat time? The previous known X-to-L conduit is almost as awkward as this one:
I just saw something from here (demonstrated in this post with with the Herschel formed from a B-heptomino).

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x = 5, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
b2obo$2b3o$3bo15$bo$obo$obo$bo!
The bait restoration only looks somewhat promising, but I figured that I'd mention it because the LWSS is emitted in a direction perpendicular to the direction that the Herschel would likely come from instead of straight back, which would allow a quicker repeat time if completed.
Keep in mind that for all I know, there has already been extensive effort spent trying to make this work.



Edit: Here is another possibility. The basic idea is something that has been discussed before, but making the R from a Herschel means that the LWSS exits in a favorable direction for minimizing repeat time. (I haven't cleaned it up yet.)

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x = 43, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
14bo4b2o$13bobo2bo2bo$14bo2bo2bo$17bo$21bo$21b2o$16bo$16bo7bo7bo$17bo3bo$17b2o6bo2bo$19b3ob2o4bo$24bo9b2o$20b2o9bo$26bo4b2ob3o$27bo2bo6b2o$34bo3bo$23bo7bo7bo$39bo$33b2o$34bo$38bo$35bo2bo2bo$34bo2bo2bobo$35b2o4bo2$2b2o$3bo$3o$o13$16bo$15b3o$15bob2o!
The main problem with finding a stable catalyst the fact that the object previously throws off a couple of sparks in the direction that the catalysis would likely happen from. There are examples of catalysts that are modified before the catalysis by a spark then changed back during the catalysis, such as the hook with tail in PF*39C, but I doubt that most search programs are designed for catalysts of this type.



Another edit: Can anyone complete this?

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x = 26, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
2.2A19.2D$3.A20.2D$3A21.D$A5$17.3C$18.C$16.3C!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 20th, 2020, 3:48 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 6:46 pm
I will probably look for conduits that are dependent on alternative formations of the input next.
Here is a B*Bx1R.

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x = 9, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A3.2A$5.DC$4.D2C$5.DCD$5.2DA!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei23 » November 20th, 2020, 6:33 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 3:48 pm
Here is a B*Bx1R.

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x = 9, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A3.2A$5.DC$4.D2C$5.DCD$5.2DA!
Heh, funny name, like BFx1H. It would be nice to see a version with better output clearance, but still a nice find!
@Hunting so we're making a referential signature chain?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 20th, 2020, 7:10 pm

wwei23 wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 6:33 pm
Heh, funny name, like BFx1H. It would be nice to see a version with better output clearance, but still a nice find!
Unfortunately, it is not possible using conventional methods to specifically search for a particular type of output or to specifically search for outputs with good clearance. That was my motivation behind this idea.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 24th, 2020, 3:09 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 8:20 pm
This looks promising.
This looks like it might be promising.

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x = 42, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
14bo$5bo7bobo$5b3o6bo$8bo$7b2o6$2o25b2o$2o25bo$25bobo$25b2o2$30bo$12b2o14b3o$3b2o6bobo13bo$4bo6bo15b2o$b3o6b2o$bo2$32b2o$32bo$30bobo$30b2o6$12bo$12bobo$12b3o$14bo8$40b2o$40bo$38bobo$38b2o$21b2o$16b2o3b2o$16b2o$38b2o$38bobo$15b2o23bo$16bo4b2o17b2o$13b3o5b2o$13bo!
The chaos is going in the right direction, but there isn't much room to perturb it, so I'm not sure how useful this partial will be, which is why I typed that it might be promising.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei23 » November 24th, 2020, 5:29 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 24th, 2020, 3:09 pm
This looks like it might be promising.
MathAndCode, what have you done here? This is a stable H->2H. Nice work.

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x = 25, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
20bo$18b3o$17bo$17b2o3$2o$bo20b2o$bobo18bo$2b2o16bobo$14b2o4b2o$14bo$
12b3o4$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4bo12$11b2o11bo$6b2o3b2o9b3o$6b2o14bo$22bo2$5b2o
$6bo4b2o$3b3o5b2o$3bo!
@Hunting so we're making a referential signature chain?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Jormungant » November 24th, 2020, 6:27 pm

Well, it is more like a problematic H-to-(B+H), but it can be fixed into a recovery 211 or 230 conduit somehow...

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x = 185, y = 120, rule = LifeHistory
60.4B58.4B$59.4B58.4B$58.4B58.4B$57.4B58.4B$56.4B58.4B$20.2B33.4B58.
4B$18.5B23.A7.4B58.4B$17.7B20.3A6.4B58.4B$17.8B18.A8.4B58.4B$16.3BD5B
18.2A6.4B58.4B$15.5B2D3B14.6B5.4B58.4B$15.A3B2D3B14.5B6.4B58.4B$14.AB
A8B12.7B4.4B58.4B$14.ABA10B10.8B2.4B58.4B$14.BA14B2.2B2.14B58.4B$15.
11BD15BA6B58.4B$15.9BDBD14B3A4B3.2A53.4B$17.7B3D13BA4BAB4.A53.4B$17.
7BD15B2AB2A2B.BA.A52.4B$18.B2.28B2A52.4B$28.4B.17B52.4B$29.19B53.4B$
30.16B10.A43.4B$31.15B8.3A42.4B$32.14B7.A44.4B$33.13B3.B3.2A42.4B$34.
12B.8B41.4B16.2A$35.18B21.A20.4B17.A.A$36.17B12.2A5.3A19.4B20.A4.2A$
37.17B10.B2AB3.A21.4B17.4A.2A2.A2.A$38.18B8.3B4.2A19.4B18.A2.A.A.A.A.
2A$39.21B.2B2.B2.5B18.4B21.BABABA.A$40.15BD15B19.4B23.B2ABA.A$39.9B.
4BDBD14B2A17.4B25.2B.BA$40.2BA4B2.4B3D9B2A3B2A16.4B25.3B$40.2BA2B4.4B
D11B2A2B.B16.4B17.2A6.4B$42.A4B3.19B17.4B19.A6.B2A3B$45.2A6.14B18.4B
20.A.AB3.B2A3B$45.A6.11BD3B17.4B22.2AB.10B$40.A5.3A2.12B3D2B15.4B18.A
6.13B$40.3A6.A.13BD2B15.4B10.A7.A.A5.5B3D6B$43.A4.2A7B.9B14.4B11.3A4.
2BAB5.7BD7B$42.2A4.B2.15B14.4B15.A4.2B8.4BD3B2.4B$42.8B2.15B12.4B15.
2A5.4B5.6B5.4B$44.6B.15B12.4B4.B.7B3.3B3.6B3.9B4.4B$41.26B10.4B.13B5.
3B2.5B2.4B4.2A5.4B$37.B2.11B2D8B2D2BD4.26BD10BD7B5.A7.4B$36.15B2D9B3D
2B2.4BDBA19BD10B2D6B7.3A5.4B13.A$35.2A26BD3B2.4B2DCA17B2D11B2D4B10.A
6.4B10.3A$35.2AB.8B2A3B3.B.11B.2A2BDADA14B2A2B2D16B5.2A11.4B8.A$36.B
3.7BABAB3.3B.9B4A4BD15B2A3BD16B5.A13.4B7.2A$42.6BAB3.B2AB2.7BA4BA7B2.
2B3.27B2.BA.A14.4B3.5B$41.7B6.2A2.8BA2B4A3B11.10B2.B3.B.9B.B2A16.4B2.
3B$40.7B11.8B2ABAB2AB16.6B9.11B19.9B7.2A$39.4B.5B10.4B3D5B2A19.3B10.
11B5.A14.8B8.A$26.2A10.4B5.2A9.5BD4B3A3B20.B8.2AB.9B3.3A15.3BA6B3.B.A
.2A$27.A9.4B6.A8.2AB.2B3D9B20.2A6.A.AB2.7B3.A18.4BC2B2A2B.B3A2.A$25.A
10.4B8.3A4.A.AB.13B22.A6.A5.8B2.2A17.2BCAC2B2A3BAB2.2A$25.5A5.4B5.2A
4.A4.A4.12B20.3A6.2A4.13B17.3B2D7B4A$30.A4.4B5.A9.2A4.12B20.A14.11B
17.2AB.7B3.2B.A$27.3AB2.7B.BA.A15.13B33.13B15.A.AB.7B2.B3A$26.A.2B3.
7B.B2A17.11B14.A20.12B4.2A9.A5.4B4.A$26.4A7B2D3B17.13B4.2A6.3A20.12B
4.A4.A4.2A5.4B5.5A$24.2A2.BA3B2A2BDBD2B17.2A2.8B5.A6.A22.13B.BA.A4.3A
8.4B10.A$23.A2.3AB.2B2A2BD4B18.A3.7B2.BA.A6.2A20.9B3D2B.B2A8.A6.4B9.A
$23.2A.A.B3.10B15.3A3.9B.B2A8.B20.10BD5B9.2A5.4B10.2A$26.A8.8B14.A5.
11B10.3B19.7B3D4B10.5B.4B$26.2A7.9B19.11B9.6B16.16B11.7B$36.3B2.4B16.
2AB.9B.B3.B2.10B11.18B2.2A6.7B$34.5B3.3BA14.A.AB2.27B3.2B2.20B2.B2AB
3.BA6B$34.2A7.B2AB13.A5.16BD3B2A12BABAD17B.3B3.BABA7B3.B$35.A8.ABAB
11.2A5.16B2D2B2A12BABADAD4B.11B.B3.3B2A8B.B2A$32.3A10.4B6.A10.4B2D11B
2D18B2DCA3B2.3BD26B2A$32.A13.4B5.3A7.6B2D10BD20BAD4B2.2B3D9B2D15B$47.
4B7.A5.7BD10BD26B4.D2B2D8B2D11B2.B$48.4B5.2A4.4B2.5B2.3B5.13B.4B10.
26B$49.4B4.9B3.6B3.3B3.7B.B4.4B12.15B.6B$50.4B5.6B5.4B5.2A15.4B12.15B
2.8B$51.4B2.3BD4B8.2B4.A15.4B14.15B2.B4.2A$52.7BD7B5.BA2B4.3A11.4B14.
9B.7B2A4.A$53.6B3D5B5.A.A7.A10.4B15.2BD13B.A6.3A$54.13B6.A18.4B15.2B
3D12B2.3A5.A$55.10B.B2A22.4B17.3BD11B6.A$57.3B2AB3.BA.A20.4B18.14B6.
2A$57.3B2AB6.A19.4B17.19B3.5B$59.4B6.2A17.4B16.B.2B2A11BD4B4.B3AB$59.
3B25.4B16.2A3B2A9B3D4B2.7B$56.AB.2B25.4B17.2A14BDBD4B.9B$55.A.AB2AB
23.4B19.15BD15B$55.A.ABABAB21.4B18.5B2.B2.2B.21B$52.2A.A.A.A.A2.A18.
4B19.2A4.3B8.18B$52.A2.A2.2A.4A17.4B21.A3.B2AB10.17B$54.2A4.A20.4B19.
3A5.2A12.17B$60.A.A17.4B20.A21.18B$61.2A16.4B41.8B.12B$78.4B42.2A3.B
3.13B$77.4B44.A7.14B$76.4B42.3A8.15B$75.4B43.A10.16B$74.4B53.19B$73.
4B52.17B.4B$72.4B52.2A12BA3B3A9B2.B$71.4B52.A.AB.6B4ABA2B5A3BD7B$70.
4B53.A4.5BAB2A9B2A3D7B$69.4B53.2A3.9B5A4B2ABDBD9B$68.4B58.8B2A4B2A3BA
2BD11B$67.4B58.ABA11B2.2B2.14BAB$66.4B58.B2AB2.8B10.10BABA$65.4B58.3B
A4.7B12.8BABA$64.4B58.4B6.5B14.3B2D3BA$63.4B58.4B5.6B14.3B2D5B$62.4B
58.4B6.2A18.5BD3B$61.4B58.4B8.A18.8B$60.4B58.4B6.3A20.7B$59.4B58.4B7.
A23.5B$58.4B58.4B33.2B$57.4B58.4B$56.4B58.4B$55.4B58.4B$54.4B58.4B!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 24th, 2020, 6:51 pm

wwei23 wrote:
November 24th, 2020, 5:29 pm
MathAndCode, what have you done here? This is a stable H->2H. Nice work.
It's actually EvinZL's modification of an Fx119, although that may not have been obvious because I forgot to quote myself in an earlier post, so I have fixed that in order to prevent future confusion. I was merely trying to clean it up.



Edit: Is there any way to extract this internal glider?

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x = 14, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$7.2A6$8.D$7.2D$7.D.D5$2.2A7.3C$.A.A8.C$.A8.3C$2A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 35 PASTE D! 5 12 ]]
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by bubblegum » November 25th, 2020, 1:17 am

MathAndCode wrote:
November 24th, 2020, 6:51 pm
wwei23 wrote:
November 24th, 2020, 5:29 pm
MathAndCode, what have you done here? This is a stable H->2H. Nice work.
It's actually EvinZL's modification of an Fx119, although that may not have been obvious because I forgot to quote myself in an earlier post, so I have fixed that in order to prevent future confusion. I was merely trying to clean it up.



Edit: Is there any way to extract this internal glider?

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x = 14, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$7.2A6$8.D$7.2D$7.D.D5$2.2A7.3C$.A.A8.C$.A8.3C$2A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 35 PASTE D! 5 12 ]]
That, I believe, would be a NE-3T9. Could somebody check this against the current H-to-G collection?

(Also, it looks pretty safely impossible, at least for any reasonable definition of "extract".)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by wwei23 » November 25th, 2020, 1:38 am

Could a sparker reach in there and extract the glider?
Edit: Yes, it can!

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x = 30, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
23.2A$23.2A6$4.2B2A6B2A8.D$4.A4BA2BA4BA5.2D$4.A4BA2BA4BA5.D.D$4.A4BA2B
A4BA$4.2B2A6B2A3$18.2A7.3C$17.A.A8.C$17.A8.3C$16.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 29th, 2020, 12:39 am

Can Fx158 be made less non-Spartan by using a glider eater that leaves an object that annihilates the output Herschel's first glider (like the following example except that the glider-beehive collision should create nothing instead of a block)?

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x = 30, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
17.2A$18.A$18.A.A$8.A10.A.A$7.A.A10.A3.2A$7.A.A14.2A$5.3A.2A$4.A$.A2.
4A.2A$.3A3.A.2A$4.A$3.2A7$29.D$27.3D$27.D.D$27.D$C$C.C$3C$2.C2$15.2A$
9.2A4.A.A$10.A6.A$7.3A7.2A$7.A!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by MathAndCode » November 30th, 2020, 9:20 pm

EvinZL wrote:
November 30th, 2020, 6:40 pm
Useless F76 conduit
It is connectable and therefore not useless. The repeat time is 244, which is short enough for the Elementary Conduits Collection.

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x = 65, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$3.A.A$3.A.A$.3A.2A$A$.3A.2A$3.A.2A4$29.2D2A$28.2D.2A$29.D8$19.3D$
20.D$18.3D7$17.7B3.2A$18.6B3.A.A$18.6B5.A$16.7B6.A.2A$16.8B2.BA.A.2A$
16.8B2.B2A$16.11B$16.11B$14.2AB.9B$13.A.AB2.8B$13.A5.9B$12.2A4.11B$18.
7B.4B$17.14B$17.15B$17.16B$18.11B.4B$16.4B.4B3DB2.4B$16.2A4.4BD2B3.4B
$17.A4.2B3D2B4.4B$14.3A6.6B5.4B$14.A8.7B5.4B$25.B.4B5.4B11.A$28.4B5.4B
8.3A$29.4B5.4B6.A$30.4B5.4B5.2A$31.4B5.4B2.4B$32.4B5.4B.2B$33.4B5.7B$
34.4B5.6B$23.8B4.4B5.5B$22.8B6.4B3.8B7.A$22.9B6.4B.9B5.3A$22.9B6.15B3.
A$21.10B3.2B.17B.2A$21.3B2A5B2.2A22B$20.4B2A5B2.2AB.18B$20.11B3.B.20B
$15.2A.A7BD4B6.18B$15.A.2A2.4B3DB9.18B$22.2B2DBDB4.2A3.19B$23.6B4.A5.
18B$23.6B.BA.A6.5B2A10B$22.7B.B2A7.5B2A11B$23.8B10.17B$16.A6.7B12.16B
$16.3A4.7B13.14B$7.A11.A2.7B4.B9.14B$7.3A8.2A3.6B.B.2BA7.11B$10.A7.15B
A.A7.10B$9.2A9.7BD4B.BA9.9B10.A$26.3D17.7B9.A.A$26.D23.2B11.A4$53.2A3.
2A$8.C44.2A3.2A$8.C.C$8.3C$10.C11.2A21.A.2A$22.A20.3A.2A$23.3A16.A11.
2A$25.A17.3A.2A5.A$45.A.A7.3A$45.A.A9.A$46.A!
#C [[ PASTET 244 PASTE C$C.C$3C$2.C! 8 86 ]]
There may be another Herschel-making conduit that allows the boojum to be placed closer, which would decrease the repeat time.



Edit: Indeed, preceding the F76 with Fx77 allows for a repeat time of 228.

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x = 63, y = 94, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$3.A.A$3.A.A$.3A.2A$A$.3A.2A$3.A.2A4$29.2D2A$28.2D.2A$29.D8$19.3D$
20.D$18.3D7$27.2A$27.A.A$29.A$29.A.2A$27.A.A.2A$27.2A3$14.2A$13.A.A$13.
A$12.2A6$25.3D$16.2A8.D$17.A6.3D$14.3A32.A$14.A32.3A$46.A$46.2A3$8.A$
8.3A$11.A$10.2A14.2A28.A$26.2A26.3A$53.A$53.2A$31.2A$31.2A6$43.2A$43.
2A$17.3C7.2A$18.C8.A.A$18.3C8.A$29.2A3$61.A$60.A.A$61.A4$51.2A3.2A$51.
2A3.2A3$43.A.2A$41.3A.2A$40.A11.2A$41.3A.2A5.A$43.A.A7.3A$43.A.A9.A$44.A!
#C [[ PASTET 228 PASTE 3C$.C$.3C! 17 71 ]]
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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