## The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Kazyan
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

A repeat time (EDIT: Whoops, no, I mean travel time) of 726: Good luck finding a use for the largest conduit to date, Dave!

I've built a sample gun using the Lx567. It's p769, slightly smaller than the current p769, and funky.

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x = 116, y = 114, rule = B3/S23 69b2obo$69bob2o2$70b5o$69bo4bo$65b2obo2bo$66bobob2o27bo$66bobo5bo10b2o 10b3o$65b2obo4bobo9b2o9bo$66bob2o2bo2bo20b2o8b2o$66bo6b2o31bo$39b2o23b 3o37bobo$39bo23bo40b2o$36b2obo23b2o$28b2o7bobobo$27bobo7bo2b2o2b2o62b 2o$27bo7b3o6b2o58b2obobo$26b2o6bo69b2obo$34b2o72bo$104b2ob2o$73b2o30bo bo$73b2o30bobo$106bo3$87b3o$88bo$2b2o72b2o10b3o$3bo52b2o19bo$3bobo50bo bo17bo$4b2o52bo17b2o$58b2o4$52b2o$44b2o6bo$44b2o7b3o$55bo2$74b2o$2b2o 37b2o30bobo$bobo37bo31bo$bo34bo5b3o6b2o3b2o14b2o15b2o$2o32b3o7bo6b2o2b ob3o29b2o$33bo21bo4bo$33b2o16b4ob2o2bo35bob2o$11b2o38bo2bobobob2o34b2o bo$11bo2bo39bobobobo$12b3o40b2obobo$9bo49bo$9b4o25b2o$13bo24b2o5b2o$ 11b2o33bo7b2o$11bo34bobo5b2o$13bo33b2o$12b2o$102b2o$102bo$104bo$103b2o$76b2o24bo$57b2o17b2o25b4o$57bo48bo$58b3o40b3o$60bo40bo2bo$16bob2o83b 2o$16b2obo61b2o$62b2ob2o15bo$25b2o33bo2bobobo11b3o32b2o$25b2o33b2obo2b o12bo34bo$61bobo48bobo$60bo2b2o47b2o$60bobo2bobo$61bobo2b2o$62bo$70b2o$62bo7b2o$62b3o$65bo$64b2o2$56b2o$38b2o17bo52b2o$39bo17bobo50bobo$38bo 19b2o52bo$25b3o10b2o72b2o$27bo$26b3o3$9bo$8bobo30b2o$8bobo30b2o$7b2ob 2o$7bo72b2o$8bob2o69bo6b2o$6bobob2o58b2o6b3o7bo$6b2o62b2o2b2o2bo7bobo$74bobobo7b2o$51b2o23bob2o$10b2o40bo23bo$9bobo37b3o23b2o$9bo31b2o6bo$8b 2o8b2o20bo2bo2b2obo$19bo9b2o9bobo4bob2o$16b3o10b2o10bo5bobo$16bo27b2ob obo$44bo2bob2o$41bo4bo$41b5o2$43b2obo$43bob2o!
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Sokwe
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan wrote:I've built a sample gun using the Lx567.
One of the eaters in the Pi->C converter can be replaced with a block, which reduces the bounding box slightly:

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x = 114, y = 112, rule = B3/S23
27bo$27b3o$30bo$29b2o7b2o55bo$38b2o54bobo$94bobo$92b3ob2o6bo$50b2o39bo 10b3o$51bo40b3ob2o3bo$47b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$47bobobobo2bo$49bo2bo2b2o$48b2o2$66b2o38b2o$67bo38bo$27bo2bo35bo37bobo$66b2o36b2o$28b4o$30bo$27bobobo$26bob3o$26bo3bo$27bob2o38b2o$17bo10b2o39b2o$15b3o10b3o$14bo$
14b2o14bo74b2o$29bobo73b2o$25b2o2b4ob2o$25b2o4bo2b2o$26bobob2o13b2o$17b2o10b2o13bobo$16bobo10bo14bo$13bo2bo26b2o$13b4o$51b2o30bob2o$11b4o
36b2o30b2obo$11bo3bo88b2o$14b2o25b2o49b2o9bo2bo2b2o$41bobo48b2o9bobo4b o$43bo60bo5bob2o$15b2o19b2o5b2o62b2obobo$15b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$52b 3o49bo4bo2b2o$55bo48b5o$54b2o$102b7o$102bo2bo2bo$46b2o52bobo$35b2o9bo 53b2o$35bobo5b2obo$37bo5bo2b3o4b2o$37b2o5b2o3bo3b2o$28b2o16b4o32bo$28b
o17bo15b2o18b3o$29b3o15b3o12bobo20bo$31bo18bo13bo19b2o$45b5o14b2o$45bo
$47bo29b2o$12b2o32b2o30bo$11bobo64bobo$5bo2bo2bo67b2o$5b7o57b2o$70bo$5b5o60bobo$2o2bo4bo61bobo$o2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$bobob2o69b2o19b2o$2obo 5bo33bo$3bo4bobo9b2o19b3o$3b2o2bo2bo9b2o18bo57b2o$8b2o30b2o56bo3bo$27b ob2o30b2o36b4o$27b2obo30b2o$97b4o$69b2o26bo2bo$69bo14bo10bobo$67bobo
13b2o10b2o$67b2o13b2obobo$78b2o2bo4b2o$78b2ob4o2b2o$7b2o73bobo$7b2o74b o14b2o$99bo$83b3o10b3o$43b2o39b2o10bo$43b2o38b2obo$83bo3bo$83b3obo$82b
obobo$83bo$82b4o$8b2o36b2o$7bobo37bo35bo2bo$7bo38bo$6b2o38b2o2$64b2o$
57b2o2bo2bo$57bo2bobobobo$11b2o3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$12bo3b2ob3o40bo$9b3o
10bo39b2o$9bo6b2ob3o$17bobo$17bobo54b2o$18bo55b2o7b2o$83bo25bo$84b3o
23bo$86bo21b3o! -Matthias Merzenich A for awesome Posts: 2048 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits The population can be reduced a bit by replacing two eaters with snakes: Code: Select all x = 129, y = 130, rule = B3/S23 7$38bo$38b3o$41bo$40b2o7b2o55bo$49b2o54bobo$105bobo$103b3ob2o6bo$61b2o 39bo10b3o$62bo40b3ob2o3bo$58b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$58bobobobo2bo$60bo2bo 2b2o$59b2o2$77b2o38b2o$78bo38bo$77bo37bobo$77b2o36b2o6$80b2o15bo$25b2o
bo51b2o15bobo$25bob2o68b3o$99bo$116b2o$116b2o3$56b2o$28b2o25bobo$27bob o25bo$24bo2bo26b2o$24b4o$62b2o30bob2o$22b4o36b2o30b2obo$22bo3bo88b2o$25b2o25b2o49b2o9bo2bo2b2o$52bobo48b2o9bobo4bo$54bo60bo5bob2o$26b2o19b
2o5b2o62b2obobo$26b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$63b3o49bo4bo2b2o$66bo48b5o$
65b2o$113b7o$113bo2bo2bo$57b2o52bobo$46b2o9bo53b2o$46bobo5b2obo$48bo5b
o2b3o4b2o$48b2o5b2o3bo3b2o$39b2o16b4o32bo$39bo17bo15b2o18b3o$40b3o15b
3o12bobo20bo$42bo18bo13bo19b2o$56b5o14b2o$56bo$58bo29b2o$23b2o32b2o30b o$22bobo64bobo$16bo2bo2bo67b2o$16b7o57b2o$81bo$16b5o60bobo$11b2o2bo4bo 61bobo$11bo2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$12bobob2o69b2o19b2o$11b2obo5bo33bo$14bo 4bobo9b2o19b3o$14b2o2bo2bo9b2o18bo57b2o$19b2o30b2o56bo3bo$38bob2o30b2o
36b4o$38b2obo30b2o$108b4o$80b2o26bo2bo$80bo25bobo$78bobo25b2o$78b2o3$18b2o$18b2o$36bo$36b3o68b2obo$36bobo15b2o51bob2o$38bo15b2o6$19b2o36b2o$18bobo37bo$18bo38bo$17b2o38b2o2$75b2o$68b2o2bo2bo$68bo2bobobobo$22b2o
3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$23bo3b2ob3o40bo$20b3o10bo39b2o$20bo6b2ob3o$28bobo$28bobo54b2o$29bo55b2o7b2o$94bo$95b3o$97bo!  x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce dvgrn Moderator Posts: 6739 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Kazyan wrote:This yields at least three new conduits: an Lx567, F654, and Rx695... I've built a sample gun using the Lx567. Nice find! Here again, I'm sure that G17 tandem glider will come in handy somehow -- though again it's just one cell too close together, so you can't reflect one of them with a single Snark to get a working Herschel receiver. On the other hand, there are 90-degree gliders far enough apart that it's possible to fit a receiver in without any Snarks, making any number of possible H-to-2Hs -- the following three, plus the various replacements for boat+block+snake: Code: Select all x = 280, y = 201, rule = LifeHistory 102.2A$101.A2.A$102.2A8$97.3D$98.D$98.3D16$99.2A$99.2A2$98.D7.A.2A$ 97.3D6.2A.A$96.D2.2D2$66.2A$66.2A$31.2A$31.A$32.A$31.2A$40.2A$.A37.A. A70.2A$A.A37.A71.A$A.A63.2A46.A$.A63.A2.A44.2A$12.D15.2A3.D32.2A18.2A 15.3D6.A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A25.2A15.D.D7.4A$10.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A42.D 2.D9.A$10.D21.D10.2D60.2D4.3A$33.D10.D66.A2.A$113.2A$91.2A$92.A$89.3A 32.2A$72.2A15.A34.A$20.2A50.2A48.A.A$20.A47.2A52.2A$21.3A44.A.A$23.A 46.A$70.2A$57.2A13.A7.2A$57.2A13.A7.2A$69.2A.3A$70.A4.A$55.2A13.A3.2A $55.2A7.2A2.2A$61.A2.A2.A$60.A.A.A.2A52.2A$61.A2.A2.A.A50.A.A$64.2A2. 2A52.A$91.3D28.2A$93.D$91.3D4$68.C$68.C.C$68.3C$70.C19.2A$91.A6.2A$ 80.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A7.A.A$84.A.A.A7.2A$86.A.2A$86.A$59.2A24.2A$ 60.A$57.3A$57.A20$102.2A152.2A$101.A2.A150.A2.A$102.2A152.2A8$97.3D 151.3D$98.D153.D$98.3D151.3D6$55.2A$55.2A3$57.2A$57.2A$70.2A$23.A46.A $21.3A44.A.A$20.A47.2A131.2A$20.2A50.2A25.2A100.2A50.2A$72.2A25.2A 152.2A2$98.D7.A.2A93.2A47.D7.A.2A$97.3D6.2A.A93.2A46.3D6.2A.A$96.D2. 2D115.2A32.D2.2D$33.D10.D124.A46.A$10.D21.D10.2D122.3A44.A.A$10.3D18. 2D11.2D13.2A105.A47.2A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A105.2A50.2A$12.D15.2A3.D 184.2A$.A$A.A$A.A37.A$.A37.A.A70.2A152.2A$40.2A70.A66.D10.D75.A$31.2A 81.A41.D21.D10.2D77.A$32.A80.2A41.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A60.2A$31.A54.2A15. 3D6.A43.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A33.2A15.3D6.A$31.2A53.2A15.D.D7.4A41.D15.2A 3.D60.2A15.D.D7.4A$66.2A35.D2.D9.A30.A109.D2.D9.A$66.2A37.2D4.3A32.A. A110.2D4.3A$111.A2.A31.A.A37.A78.A2.A$113.2A32.A37.A.A79.2A$91.2A93. 2A57.2A$92.A84.2A67.A$89.3A32.2A52.A64.3A32.2A$89.A34.A52.A65.A34.A$ 122.A.A52.2A97.A.A$122.2A88.2A24.A37.2A$212.2A24.3A$241.A$240.2A$80. 2A152.2A$72.A7.2A152.2A$72.3A$75.A$74.2A2$66.2A152.2A$67.A52.2A99.A 52.2A$67.A.A50.A.A98.A.A50.A.A$68.2A52.A99.2A52.A$91.3D28.2A121.3D28. 2A$93.D153.D$91.3D151.3D4$68.C153.C$68.C.C151.C.C$68.3C151.3C$70.C19. 2A132.C19.2A$91.A6.2A145.A6.2A$80.2A6.3A7.A135.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A 7.A.A135.2A2.2A2.A7.A.A$84.A.A.A7.2A140.A.A.A7.2A$86.A.2A150.A.2A$86. A153.A$59.2A24.2A126.2A24.2A$60.A153.A$57.3A151.3A$57.A153.A! #C [[ AUTOSTART LOOP 1111 THEME 3 ZOOM 2.22 ]]
[Can anyone find a less horrible way of making those two eaters tolerate each other's company? I just kept drawing until the weld stabilized, and then I didn't dare look at it again.]

None of these circuits are very quick to recover, unfortunately, and there are a lot of ways to Snark-assist a Herschel receiver in about the same amount of space to get a Herschel splitter... so I guess it's not absolutely clear that I've found a use for the conduit yet.
Sokwe wrote:One of the eaters in the Pi->C converter can be replaced with a block, which reduces the bounding box slightly...
You didn't even mention the 7x9 eater replacement with the tub-with-tail. I was going to make all kinds of noise about that, because there was a block already in the right place that could be re-used -- that never happens in this business...!

(Well, hardly ever.)

Anyway, I think congratulations are definitely in order! The first two of those conduits are actually fairly compact for what they do -- lots of output gliders available with different time delays in a fairly small space. Just try getting a Herschel from that input to that output in that amount of time any other way, and you'll see what I mean... at least I hope you will; I haven't actually run Hersrch on that question yet.

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:Can anyone find a less horrible way of making those two eaters tolerate each other's company?
Yes:

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x = 124, y = 91, rule = LifeHistory
102.2A$101.A2.A$102.2A8$97.3D$98.D$98.3D16$99.2A$99.2A2$98.D7.A.2A$97.3D6.2A.A$96.D2.2D2$66.2A$66.2A$31.2A$31.A$32.A$31.2A$40.2A$.A37.A.
A70.2A$A.A37.A71.A$A.A63.2A46.A$.A63.A2.A44.2A$12.D15.2A3.D32.2A18.2A
15.3D6.A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A25.2A15.D.D7.4A$10.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A42.D
2.D9.A$10.D21.D10.2D60.2D4.3A$33.D10.D66.A2.A$113.2A$91.2A$92.A$89.3A
$72.2A15.A$20.2A50.2A$20.A47.2A$21.3A44.A.A$23.A46.A48.2A$70.2A47.2A$57.2A21.2A$57.2A11.4A6.2A$70.A3.A$73.2A$55.2A$55.2A$66.2A$67.A52.2A$67.A.A50.A.A$68.2A52.A$91.3D28.2A$93.D$91.3D4$68.C$68.C.C$68.3C$70.C 19.2A$91.A6.2A$80.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A10.A$84.A.A.A9.2A$86.A.2A$86. A$59.2A24.2A$60.A$57.3A$57.A! dvgrn wrote:You didn't even mention the 7x9 eater replacement with the tub-with-tail. It's more fun that way. Edit: I completely forgot about the new B->R! Code: Select all x = 65, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory 34.A$25.A7.A.A$25.3A6.A$28.A15.2A$27.2A14.A.A$43.2A$47.2A$36.D10.A.A$2.D32.2D12.A$2.3D31.2D11.2A$2.D.D15.2A17.D4.2A$4.D15.2A16.3D3.2A$37.D 2.2D5$23.2A$24.A$23.A$23.2A$53.2A$53.A$55.A$54.2A$27.2A15.3D6.A$27.2A 15.D.D7.4A$44.D2.D9.A$46.2D4.3A$52.A2.A$54.2A$32.2A$33.A$30.3A$30.A3$
25.2A$26.A33.2A$26.A.A32.A$21.2A4.2A$13.A7.2A$13.3A$16.A$15.2A2$7.2A$8.A52.2A$8.A.A50.A.A$9.2A52.A$32.3D28.2A$34.D$32.3D4$9.C$9.C.C$9.3C$
11.C19.2A$32.A6.2A$21.2A6.3A7.A$21.2A2.2A2.A10.A$25.A.A.A9.2A$2.2A23. A.2A$3.A23.A$3A23.2A$A!
Here is a reduced p307 gun:

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x = 116, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
30bo20bo$29bobo7bo11b3o23b2o$30bo6b3o14bo23bo$19b2o15bo16b2o23bob2o$
19bobo14b2o38bobobo9b2o$20b2o50b2o2b2o2bo10bo$16b2o54b2o6b3o7bo$15bobo 65bo6b2o$15bo66b2o$14b2o$19b2o22b2o$19b2o22b2o3$72b3o$72b3o$72b3o2b2o
12b3o$40b2o33bo3bo11b3o8b2o10b2o$40bo19b2o13b4o10bo4bo7b2o10bo$41bo17b obo8b3o2b3o11bo2bo2bo16bobo$40b2o17bo9bo42b2o$10b2o46b2o9bo3bo16b2obo$
11bo62bo15bobo4bo$9bo60b2obo16bobo3bobo$9b2o79bo5bobo$11bo24b2o52b3o4b o$7b4o25b2o34bo$7bo64b2o4b2o$10b3o64bobo17b2o12b2o$9bo2bo64bo19b2o12b 2o$9b2o65b2o$31b2o$31bo$32b3o46bo$34bo46b3o$84bo$83b2o$38b2o65b2o$3b2o
12b2o19bo64bo2bo$3b2o12b2o17bobo64b3o$36b2o4b2o64bo$43bo34b2o25b4o$18b
o4b3o52b2o24bo$17bobo5bo79b2o$17bobo3bobo16bob2o60bo$18bo4bobo15bo62bo$22bob2o16bo3bo9b2o46b2o$2b2o42bo9bo17b2o$bobo16bo2bo2bo11b3o2b3o8bobo
17bo$bo10b2o7bo4bo10b4o13b2o19bo$2o10b2o8b3o11bo3bo33b2o$22b3o12b2o2b 3o$41b3o$41b3o3$71b2o22b2o$71b2o22b2o$100b2o$32b2o66bo$24b2o6bo65bobo$25bo7b3o6b2o54b2o$24bo10bo2b2o2b2o50b2o$24b2o9bobobo38b2o14bobo$34b2ob
o41bo15b2o$37bo26bo11b3o6bo$37b2o26bo10bo7bobo$63b3o19bo! -Matthias Merzenich Kazyan Posts: 959 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits While we're celebrating century-related goodness, here's another useless C-to-C. Cannot be made to do anything with the other useless C-to-C I found earlier, but hey, a few more in this class and we might be able to string something together. Code: Select all x = 20, y = 14, rule = B3/S23 15bo$14bobo$14bobo$13b2ob3o$2o17bo$2o11b2ob3o$13b2obo$4o$o2bo2$11bo$10b3o$10bo2bo$12b2o! Tanner Jacobi Coldlander, a novel, available in paperback and as an ebook. Sokwe Moderator Posts: 1638 Joined: July 9th, 2009, 2:44 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Kazyan wrote:Here's another useless C-to-C. Cannot be made to do anything with the other useless C-to-C I found earlier, but hey, a few more in this class and we might be able to string something together. Nice! It can be hard to tell what will be useful in the future with all of these new conduits being discovered. I noticed from your earlier post that a snake can replace the eater in the new C->B converter: Code: Select all x = 31, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory 12.D$11.3D$10.D2.2D9$26.2A$26.A$28.A$27.2A$2A15.3C6.A$2A15.C.C7.4A$
17.C2.C9.A$19.2C4.3A$25.A2.A$5.2A20.2A$5.A$6.A$5.2A!
Naturally, I had to update the p769 gun with this "improvement":

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x = 114, y = 112, rule = B3/S23
27bo$27b3o$30bo$29b2o7b2o55bo$38b2o54bobo$94bobo$92b3ob2o6bo$50b2o39bo 10b3o$51bo40b3ob2o3bo$47b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$47bobobobo2bo$49bo2bo2b2o$48b2o2$66b2o38b2o$67bo38bo$27bo2bo35bo37bobo$66b2o36b2o$28b4o$30bo$27bobobo$26bob3o$26bo3bo$27bob2o38b2o$14b2obo10b2o39b2o$14bob2o10b3o2$30bo74b2o$29bobo73b2o$25b2o2b4ob2o$25b2o4bo2b2o$26bobob2o12b2obo$17b2o
10b2o13bob2o$16bobo10bo$13bo2bo$13b4o$37b2o12b2o30bob2o$11b4o22bo13b2o 30b2obo$11bo3bo22b3o63b2o$14b2o24bo51b2o9bo2bo2b2o$92b2o9bobo4bo$104bo 5bob2o$15b2o19b2o69b2obobo$15b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$52b3o49bo4bo2b2o$55bo48b5o$54b2o$102b7o$33b2o67bo2bo2bo$33bobo10b2o52bobo$35bo10bo53b2o
$35b2o6b2obo$43bo2b3o4b2o$44b2o3bo3b2o$28b2o16b4o32bo$28bo17bo15b2o18b 3o$29b3o15b3o12bobo20bo$31bo18bo13bo19b2o$45b5o14b2o$45bo$47bo29b2o$12b2o32b2o30bo$11bobo64bobo$5bo2bo2bo67b2o$5b7o57b2o$70bo$5b5o60bobo$2o2bo4bo61bobo$o2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$bobob2o69b2o19b2o$2obo5bo$3bo4bobo 9b2o$3b2o2bo2bo9b2o76b2o$8b2o88bo3bo$27bob2o30b2o36b4o$27b2obo30b2o$
97b4o$36bo60bo2bo$34b3o47bo10bobo$33bo32b2obo13b2o10b2o$33b2o31bob2o
12b2obobo$78b2o2bo4b2o$78b2ob4o2b2o$7b2o73bobo$7b2o74bo2$83b3o10b2obo$
43b2o39b2o10bob2o$43b2o38b2obo$83bo3bo$83b3obo$82bobobo$83bo$82b4o$8b 2o36b2o$7bobo37bo35bo2bo$7bo38bo$6b2o38b2o2$64b2o$57b2o2bo2bo$57bo2bob obobo$11b2o3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$12bo3b2ob3o40bo$9b3o10bo39b2o$9bo6b2ob3o$
17bobo$17bobo54b2o$18bo55b2o7b2o$83bo25bo$84b3o23bo$86bo21b3o! -Matthias Merzenich Kazyan Posts: 959 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Someone around here should collect up all these "orphan' components so that, if we ever find something that fits one of them, we'll notice instead of only trying the known elementary conduits. Here's the ones relating to centuries I know about. Left two by me, right two by A for Awesome (and I'm surprised nothing fits with the last one so far.) Code: Select all x = 131, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory 9.3D24.F18.C10.F10.2C11.2C14.F2B$9.DBD24.F17.C.C9.F11.C7.2B.B2CB13.F
3B$8.D2BD5.3B5.2C9.F17.C.C9.F11.C.CB2.4B2.3B13.F4B$.6B.2D11B4.C10.F
16.2C.3C7.F12.2CB.6B2.2B13.F.4B$.21B5.C8.F3.2C12.B4.C6.F14.8B.2BCB12. F2.4B$2C20B4.2C8.F3.2C11.2CB3C7.F14.5BC4BC.C12.F3.4B$2C14B3C5B.C10.F 16.2C.C9.F14.4B3C3B.C13.F4.4B$.B.13BCBC7B4C6.F3.4C7.4B11.F13.7B2CB3.
3C10.F5.4B$3.13BC2BC4B5.C6.F3.C2.CB4.4B13.F13.11B4.C10.F6.4B$5.7B.5B
2C2B.B3C9.F4.5B.8B11.F14.9B16.F7.4B$6.3B4.9B.BC2.C8.F5.9BC5B9.F16.6B 17.F8.4B4.2C$4.5B9.3B5.2C8.F5.8B3C5B8.F16.7B16.F9.4B3.C.C$4.2CB11.3B 15.F7.6BC2BC4B8.F16.9B14.F10.4B4.C$5.C13.B16.F7.8B2C4B8.F15.12B12.F
11.4B2.2C.2C.C$2.3C31.F7.B2D11B8.F8.B2.B3.12B12.F12.2BC4B.C.2C$2.C33.
F6.D2BD9B10.F7.19B13.F13.3CB3.C$36.F6.3D8B12.F4.2B.6BD12B13.F15.2C2. 2C$36.F7.D5B.2B13.F3.2C7B3D11B13.F$36.F9.4B16.F3.2CB.7B2D11B12.F$36.F
9.3B17.F4.B.22B11.F$36.F29.F7.21B11.F$36.F29.F8.B.17B12.F$36.F29.F11. 15B13.F$36.F29.F11.12B16.F$36.F29.F12.4B.4B18.F$36.F29.F13.3B.3B19.F$36.F29.F18.B20.F! Tanner Jacobi Coldlander, a novel, available in paperback and as an ebook. Extrementhusiast Posts: 1834 Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm Location: USA ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits I found this BG-to-2R: Code: Select all x = 15, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory 14.A$12.3A$2.2A7.A$3.A7.2A$2.A$2.2A7$.2D$2D$.D$5.3C$5.C2.C$6.C.C$7.C 2.2D$11.2D$11.D5$8.2A$8.2A!  The right R has nothing that can follow it yet, but the standard H-to-BG can precede this. The left R can be followed by a standard R-to-B, but the standard H-to-BG gets in the way, and it is highly unlikely that another way can be found to get that R out of there. I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) Sokwe Moderator Posts: 1638 Joined: July 9th, 2009, 2:44 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Extrementhusiast wrote:I found this BG-to-2R: You can keep that extra glider by replacing the eater with a block (at a slight cost to the bounding box): Code: Select all x = 17, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory 8.2A4.3D$8.2A6.D$15.D$2.2A$3.A$2.A$2.2A7$.2D$2D$.D$5.3C$5.C2.C$6.C.C$
7.C2.2D$11.2D$11.D5$8.2A$8.2A!
It is also fairly easy to remove the right-most R with an eater. This looks like it could have some potential for future use, but currently there isn't any known way to insert the BG from the right.

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x = 30, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
20.2A4.3D$20.2A6.D$27.D$14.2A$15.A$14.A$9.2A3.2A$8.A.A$9.A3$2.D$.2D$2D11.2D$.D10.2D$2.D10.D$17.3C$17.C2.C$18.C.C$19.C3$26.2A$26.A.A$28.A$28.2A$20.2A$20.2A! Extrementhusiast wrote:The left R can be followed by a standard R-to-B, but the standard H-to-BG gets in the way, and it is highly unlikely that another way can be found to get that R out of there. This might not lead to anything, but the main purpose of one of the eaters in the H->BG is to suppress a traffic light. It might be possible to get something by allowing the debris from the BG to interact with the traffic light: Code: Select all x = 38, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory 10.A$10.3A21.3D$13.A20.D2.D$12.2A21.D.D$36.D10$2A$.A32.2A$.A.A30.A$2. 2A31.3A$37.A3$28.2A$28.2A2$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C10.2A3.2A$13.A2.A4.A$13.
3A5.A.A$22.2A$13.3A$13.A2.A$15.2A!
-Matthias Merzenich

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

C-to-G (EDIT: G, not H). Works with a receiver.

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x = 114, y = 121, rule = B3/S23
7b2o82b2o$8bo83bo$8bobo81bobo$9bobo81bobo$b2o7bo3b2o69b2o7bo3b2o$2bo 11b2o70bo11b2o$2bobo81bobo$3b2o82b2o3$2o5b3o74b2o$2o5bobo74b2o$7bo2bo$9b2o5$112b2o$112bo$110bobo$110b2o4$68b2o$68b2o5$54b2o$55bo52b2o$55bobo
50bobo$56b2o52bo$110b2o6$56bo$56bobo$56b3o34b2o$58bo19b2o7b2o5bo$79bo 7b2o2b3o$68b2o6b3o12bo$68b2o2b2o2bo15b2o$72bobobo16bo$74bob2o13bo$74bo
16b2o$73b2o24$10b2o$10b2o$6bo$6b3o$9bo$8b2o11bo$20bobo7b2o$20bobo7b2o$
21bo5$18b2o$18b2o$4b2o$4b2o$2o$2o14$24b2o$23bobo$24bo7$26b2obo$26bob2o 2$19b2o$19b2o! Last edited by Kazyan on March 11th, 2015, 12:16 am, edited 1 time in total. Tanner Jacobi Coldlander, a novel, available in paperback and as an ebook. Sphenocorona Posts: 485 Joined: April 9th, 2013, 11:03 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits I assume you meant to press the key directly to the left of H, right? Kazyan Posts: 959 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Sphenocorona wrote:I assume you meant to press the key directly to the left of H, right? Oops. Yes. Okay, not as exciting as my typo suggested. Will fix. Tanner Jacobi Coldlander, a novel, available in paperback and as an ebook. Sphenocorona Posts: 485 Joined: April 9th, 2013, 11:03 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits There just has to be a way to use this in a new H->X conduit: Code: Select all x = 18, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory 16.2C$16.2C15$11.3C$2.2C8.C$3.C6.3C$3C$C! EDIT: Apparently there's at least one thing already known using this. EDIT 2: Okay, here's something that might actually be new, an H->FNG where no still life extends past the FNG's glider lane (not exactly an edge shooter though): Code: Select all #C [[ LOOP 60 GPS 30 ZOOM 15 ]] x = 22, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory 13.B$12.3B$10.5B$C7.7B$3C5.9B$3.C4.9B$2.2C4.9B$2.4B2.8B$4.15B$3.2C2B 2C11B$3.2CB.2C11B$4.B3.12B$11.5B3CB$12.5BC2B$13.2B3C2B$14.6B$14.7B$ 16.B.4B$19.3B$20.2B$21.B! The block on the right just barely maintains at least one live cell at all times, but every cell dies at least once during the reaction. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 6739 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Sphenocorona wrote:EDIT 2: Okay, here's something that might actually be new, an H->FNG where no still life extends past the FNG's glider lane (not exactly an edge shooter though)... That sure doesn't look familiar to me. Nice find! I'm trying to think if there's any known Herschel termination that's only two cells from being an edge shooter... the beehive is a transparent inserter but nowhere near an edge shooter, and even the old two-block Herschel stopper ( 5b2o$5b2o6$9b2o$9b2o2$o$obo$3o$2bo! ) is twelve cells away from an edge shooter.

In these decadant days, with Snarks and semi-Snarks to be had for the asking, I'm having a hard time proving that this will do much to improve the average Herschel conduit. There might be some interesting uses in self-constructing Spartan circuitry, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Here's a smallish adjustable-delay transceiver (not Spartan):

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3A$2.A!  I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) Kazyan Posts: 959 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Any way to save the lower block here when it gets restored? Code: Select all x = 17, y = 23, rule = B3/S23 2b2o$2b2o2$2b2o$2b2o$10b2o$9bobo$9b2o$13b2o$13bobo$15bo$15b2o7$3o$bo8b 2o$b3o6bo$11b3o$13bo!

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Perhaps it's time to reinvestigate this catalyst?

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x = 9, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
2.2A3.2A$2.A.A.A.A$4.A.A$2.A.A.A.A$2.2A3.2A7$.3A$2.A$3A!  EDIT: Found a new Herschel conduit, F244! Code: Select all x = 90, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory 4$17.3D$18.D14.A$18.3D10.3A$9.2A19.A15.2A$9.2A19.2A14.A$38.2A7.A$38.
2A6.2A$8.A$7.A.A$8.A41.2A$5.3A42.2A6.A$5.A51.A.A$57.A.A$58.A2$7.2A$7. 2A5$9.2A$10.A$7.3A$7.A$19.2A46.2A$20.A12.3C31.2A$17.3A14.C8.2A$17.A7. 2A7.3C6.A5.2A$24.A.A17.3A.A.A$24.A21.A.A$23.2A22.2A$78.2A$77.A2.A2.2A
$77.A.A4.A$58.2A18.A5.A.2A$57.A.A21.2A.A.A$57.A23.A2.A2.A$56.2A20.A4. A2.2A$78.5A2$80.2A.A$80.A.2A!

Repeat time is 267.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Sokwe wrote:Here is a reduced p307 gun...
I suspect these double copies of things are going to get replaced almost universally by non-symmetrical loops, now that the G-to-H signal injector/syringe has appeared on the scene.

Very much at random, here's an asymmetrical smaller period 932 gun using this new... um... B614 conduit:

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#C [[ AUTOSTART STEP 10 THEME 4 ZOOM 4 LOOP 1864 ]]
x = 106, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
31b2o11bo$31b2o10bobo$43bobo2b2o3bo$42b2ob2o2bo2bobo$46bobo3bobo$42b2o bo2b4obo$42b2obobo3bo15b2o$46bobo3bo15bo$47bobo3bo14bob2o$48bo3b2o12bo bobo9b2o$62b2o2b2o2bo10bo$62b2o6b3o7bo$73bo6b2o$39b2o31b2o$39b2o$24b2o$23bo2bo$22bob2o$22bo$21b2o$36b2o$36bo$37b3o64b2o$32b2o5bo10b2o52bo$
32b2o15bobo50bobo$49bo52b2o$48b2o2$56b2o$57bo$54b3o$54bo7b2o$62b2o4b2o$67bobo31b2o$67bo33b2o$4bo61b2o$2b5o14b2o$bo5bo13bo$bo2b3o12bobo49bo$
2obo15b2o50b3o$o2b4o67bo$b2o3bo3b2o61b2o$3b3o4b2o83b2o$3bo89bo2bo$2obo 89b3o$2ob2o93bo$68b2o25b4o$37bo30b2o24bo$11b2o22b3o57b2o$12bo21bo61bo$9b3o22b2o58bo$9bo36b2o46b2o$46bo17b2o$28bo3bo11bobo17bo$27bo4bo11b2o 19bo$22b2o2bo5b2o30b2o$22b2o3bo2bobo$28b3ob2o4$61b2o22b2o$25b2o34b2o
22b2o$26bo63b2o$23b3o64bo$23bo64bobo$32b2o54b2o$28b2o2b2o50b2o$27bobo
38b2o14bobo$27bo41bo15b2o$26b2o26bo11b3o6bo$55bo10bo7bobo$53b3o19bo!
I sure do like the new high-speed viewer for this kind of thing -- and the "Show in Viewer" link! Has everyone tried it by now?

Seems like it makes sense to go back to

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 blocks again now for a lot of patterns, since an animation is still available with one click, with custom settings if the appropriate comments are there.

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:I suspect these double copies of things are going to get replaced almost universally
I would doubt the need for Herschel loops at all - as almost everything can be done with gliders now. Everything can be reduced to small amount of components attached to each other by glider input and output.

At least for the non-spartan applications I don't think we will need to use Hersrch again... I also think that now the main priority is at finding as many as possible H->G and H->2G and attach those to the syringe. Hopefully will have more edge shooters as well.

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:I sure do like the new high-speed viewer for this kind of thing -- and the "Show in Viewer" link! Has everyone tried it by now?
It is truly an amazing addition to this site. Not having to copy and paste to a separate application streamlines review and study, while associated commentary is still visible for guidance. Many thanks to all involved with this most welcome and functional improvement.

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Another new conduit, Bx178:

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x = 32, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
29.A$27.3A$26.A$26.2A4$2A$2A3$29.2A$29.2A5$10.3C$11.C8.D$11.3C4.3D$19.D2$26.2A$25.A.A$26.A7$28.2A.A$28.A.2A2$21.2A$21.2A16$20.3D$20.D$19.3D!  It's definitely compatible with Bx125, but not much else. I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) simsim314 Posts: 1766 Joined: February 10th, 2014, 1:27 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Extrementhusiast wrote:Another new conduit, Bx178 Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components). dvgrn Moderator Posts: 6739 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits simsim314 wrote:Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components). Well, it's not really Spartan, though, because the Bx125 (containing an eater2) is the only known conduit that can precede it... pending review of recent discoveries that I haven't managed to memorize, anyway. You can definitely get a signal out at the end using a dependent conduit like F166 or Lx200, but I'm not sure there's really any known way to get a signal in. The Bx178 puts a block in the way of almost all possible inputs to its own predecessor Bx125. Even another Bx125 won't fit: Code: Select all #C [[ VIEWONLY ZOOM 5 ]] x = 94, y = 98, rule = LifeHistory 77.7B$76.8B$76.8B$76.8B$76.B3D4B$76.2BD4B$76.2B3D2B$76.6B$75.7B$74.8B $73.8B$72.9B$71.2A2B.6B$70.A.AB.7B$70.A.B2.6B$69.2A4.6B$75.6B$74.8B$75.8B$74.9B$74.9B$74.10B$74.5B2A3B$74.5B2A4B$74.11B$74.12BA.2A$76.8B 2.2A.A$76.7B$76.6B$70.A.2A2.6B$70.2A.A9B$75.9B$75.9B$75.9B$40.2A33.9B$20.2A19.A32.11B$9.2A8.B2A2B16.A33.11B$10.A9.4B16.2A32.12B$10.A.AB.9B 7.2A8.B26.B4.14B$11.2AB.8B8.A.A7.3B23.3B3.10B.4B$13.11B8.AB6.6B19.6B 2.15B$12.12B7.2B3.B2.10B10.4B2.7B.13B.B2A$13.14B.B2.19B3.2B2.29B.BA.A$12.31B2A15BD25B4.A$12.31B2A15BDBD23B4.2A$11.16B2D31B3DB2A21B6.B$10. 18B2D32BDB2A21B$10.18BD59B4.B$11.20B.4B5.13B.B5.26B$12.24B5.7B.B13.B 2.20B$12.22B5.3B.4B18.20B.B.B$12.20B2.2B2.9B6.A10.24B2A$13.15BD20B3.A .A9.24B2A$12.9B.4BDBD20B3.A.A7.4B.5B2.12B.2B$13.7B2.4B3D9B2A9B2.2A.3A 5.2A3.4B3.13B$13.7B2.4BD11B2A9B3.B4.A5.A12.11B.B$13.6B4.25B2.B2AB3A3. 3A13.12B2A$13.7B10.4B.3B.10B.B2A.A5.A15.10B.B2A$13.6B12.4B6.10B6.B16. 2AB.6B4.B$12.7B13.4B5.9B9.B13.A.AB.4B$13.6B14.4B5.10B3.B17.A5.5B$14. 5B15.3B5.12B.3B14.2A8.2A$14.6B15.23B24.A$16.4B17.22B24.3A$15.B2A2B17. 23B25.A$16.2A20.5BF16B.2B$18.2B17.25B2A$17.4B.3B10.25B.B2A$10.A6.9B2. 2B2.27B3.B$9.A.A3.20BC22B$9.A.A3.20BCBC20B$7.3A.2A2.9B2A9B3C4B2.14B$6.A4.B3.9B2A11BC4B3.4B3.4B$7.3AB2AB2.25B5.5B2.2B$9.A.2AB.10B.3B.4B15. 2A$13.10B6.4B16.A$14.9B5.4B18.3A$12.10B5.4B21.A$6.3B.12B4.4B$6.23B$5. 22B$4.23B$.2B.22B$2A25B$2AB.25B$.B3.26B$6.22BD2B$6.15B.4BDBD3B$6.14B 2.4B3D2B$8.4B3.4B3.4BD5B$9.2B2.5B5.10B$13.2A2B13.4B$14.A16.4B$11.3A 18.4B$11.A21.4B$34.4B$35.4B$36.5B!

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:
simsim314 wrote:Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components).
Well, it's not really Spartan, though, because the Bx125 (containing an eater2) is the only known conduit that can precede it... pending review of recent discoveries that I haven't managed to memorize, anyway.

You can definitely get a signal out at the end using a dependent conduit like F166 or Lx200, but I'm not sure there's really any known way to get a signal in. The Bx178 puts a block in the way of almost all possible inputs to its own predecessor Bx125. Even another Bx125 won't fit:

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RLE
Well, here's one other way to get in, and it's Spartan, to boot:

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x = 42, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
4$35.A$33.3A$32.A$32.2A4$6.2A$6.2A3$35.2A$35.2A5$16.3D$17.D8.D$17.3D 4.3D$25.D2$6.2A24.2A$6.2A23.A.A$32.A5$16.2A$5.2C9.2A$6.2C26.2A.A$6.C 27.A.2A2$16.2A9.2A$16.2A9.2A2$7.2A$7.2A13$26.3D$26.D$25.3D!

Even if you use Bx125, you still can use an independent conduit, using some clever eater welding:

Code: Select all

x = 56, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
31.2A$11.2A19.A$2A9.2A18.A$.A29.2A$.A.A18.2A$2.2A18.A.A$23.A3$34.2A 15.D$34.2A15.D.D$18.2D31.3D$19.2D32.D$19.D3$49.A3.2A$44.A3.A.A3.A$19.
D23.A.A2.2A3.A$17.D.D23.A.A6.A$17.3D9.2A11.2A.8A.A$17.D11.2A22.A.A$
42.2A.7A.A.A$42.2A.A2.A2.A.2A7$7.2A$7.2A$53.2A$53.2A2$26.C$26.C.C$26.
3C$28.C2$40.2A$40.A$41.3A$43.A!  In other news, a different transparent block that I found: Code: Select all x = 32, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory 8.A$8.3A$9.A8$26.A.A.A$27.A3.A$28.3A$29.A$.A$.2A4.2A19.2A$A.A4.2A19.
2A!

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