The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by thunk » November 8th, 2015, 3:51 pm

Kazyan wrote:It fits!

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While we're standardizing nomenclature, the one-letter designation for the honey farm could be F. I'm not sure what lumps of muck should be though--it's probably going to have to be the second letter (U or O--but the latter could be mixed up with 0.)

Reminds me of amino acids, where lysine had to be K because the letters ran out...
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » November 8th, 2015, 4:18 pm

thunk wrote:While we're standardizing nomenclature, the one-letter designation for the honey farm could be F. I'm not sure what lumps of muck should be though--it's probably going to have to be the second letter (U or O--but the latter could be mixed up with 0.)

Reminds me of amino acids, where lysine had to be K because the letters ran out...
What object currently takes the L spot?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 8th, 2015, 5:29 pm

Is there any situation where a LoM would be useful? Those things are really hard to sucessfully catalyze in any way other than killing them or killing half of one to make a dove, which still does not connect well to anything yet as far as I know.

...well, I guess it would be useful if there is ever a usable D-to-X conduit, because there might then be several X-to-Ls that can be attached... but I wouldn't get any hopes up for any other LoM conduits appearing.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » November 8th, 2015, 7:43 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:What object currently takes the L spot?
I've seen the lightweight spaceship and the loafer both be speculatively denoted "L".

I'm inclined to say that, if no obvious letter is available for it, we should pick one with 180-degree rotational symmetry, as a nod at the lumps of muck symmetry. Available letters for that are N, S, and Z.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Scorbie » November 8th, 2015, 7:45 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:What object currently takes the L spot?
I think it's the LWSS... (Whoops, a little late :) ) That makes me wonder what the HWSS should be...
@Kazyan sounds good to me. But I think it's never late to choose that when a clean x-to-lom is found :) Some of the letters might get used then.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » November 8th, 2015, 8:01 pm

Scorbie wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:What object currently takes the L spot?
I think it's the LWSS... (Whoops, a little late :) ) That makes me wonder what the HWSS should be...
@Kazyan sounds good to me. But I think it's never late to choose that when a clean x-to-lom is found :) Some of the letters might get used then.
I'll address both of these at once: if the lightweight spaceship is L, and the middleweight spaaceship is M, then clearly the heavyweight spaceship should be N. After all, the term for longer and unstable versions of the *WSS pattern is Overweight spaceship. (And it's common practice to omit I and O from these sorts of systems.)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by M. I. Wright » November 8th, 2015, 8:14 pm

I actually think the spaceships should stick with two-letter names (LS, MS, and HS) just to distinguish them, since they're not 'normal' in/outputs for a conduit - that leaves L for LoM, H for Herschel and M for whatever.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » November 8th, 2015, 10:49 pm

simsim314 wrote:@dvgrn: does it means we now have some crazy amount of H->G based on this interaction? Do we have some collection of edgy HF factories?
The situation is still pretty much where it was the last time the subject came up, when you answered the question. The only known H-to-HF that I remember offhand is Kazyan's, from back in June.

There are a couple more in your depth-1 CatForce search, but they're not edgy enough to connect to anything.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 9th, 2015, 12:10 am

Can anyone restore the block using the pi and loaf that this creates? If anyone can complete it, the result would be a new H-to-HF.

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x = 29, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
21.2D$20.DBD$20.DBD$20.BDB$19.5B$19.5B$20.5B$19.6B$19.7B$18.8B$18.9B$
4.A13.8B$4.3A11.8B$7.A10.2BDBD3B$6.2A10.2BDBD4B$6.6B5.3B3D3B$8.5B.2B
2.8B$2A5.10B.8B$.A4.2B3C15B$.A.A5BC5BD10B$2.2A3B3C4BDBD11B$4.9BD2BD
12B$4.10B2D5B2C6B$4.17B2C6B$4.25B$4.24B$5.18B$6.16B$8.13B$7.13B$8.11B
$9.8B$11.B!
EDIT: Here's a currently unusable H-to-Pi with a really odd Pi placement (the pi is facing away from the reaction, so it might be usable, but it would probably only end up used in a combined H-to-X)

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x = 27, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$4.3A$7.A$6.2A$6.6B4.3B$8.6B.5B5.2C$2C5.13B6.C$.C4.2B3C10B2.3C$.C.
C5BC13BC$2.2C3B3C12B$4.19B$4.19B$4.15BDBD3B$4.15BDBD4B$4.15B3D3B$5.
12B.5B$6.2B.5B.B3.2B$10.4B$10.4B$10.4B$11.2B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by NoLongerBreathedIn » November 9th, 2015, 12:21 am

And if you meant amino acids, then leucine.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Scorbie » November 9th, 2015, 12:24 am

Kazyan wrote:
Scorbie wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:What object currently takes the L spot?
I think it's the LWSS... (Whoops, a little late :) ) That makes me wonder what the HWSS should be...
@Kazyan sounds good to me. But I think it's never late to choose that when a clean x-to-lom is found :) Some of the letters might get used then.
I'll address both of these at once: if the lightweight spaceship is L, and the middleweight spaaceship is M, then clearly the heavyweight spaceship should be N. After all, the term for longer and unstable versions of the *WSS pattern is Overweight spaceship. (And it's common practice to omit I and O from these sorts of systems.)
I think this is kinda brilliant >.<
M. I. Wright wrote:I actually think the spaceships should stick with two-letter names (LS, MS, and HS) just to distinguish them, since they're not 'normal' in/outputs for a conduit - that leaves L for LoM, H for Herschel and M for whatever.
I also think that's the most 'ideal' solution, but I see that the trend here is making one-character names. I think if one used two characters, I don't think there would be any kind of naming issues in the first place.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by thunk » November 9th, 2015, 12:26 am

Scorbie wrote:
Kazyan wrote:I'll address both of these at once: if the lightweight spaceship is L, and the middleweight spaceship is M, then clearly the heavyweight spaceship should be N. After all, the term for longer and unstable versions of the *WSS pattern is Overweight spaceship. (And it's common practice to omit I and O from these sorts of systems.)
Personally I thought this was kinda brilliant >.<
I agree, it's a wonderful suggestion.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » November 9th, 2015, 4:13 am

Going back to multi-character names is definitely an option--Life is already a very obtuse hobby.

Anyway, here's an H-to-W, but it will only connect to future conduits where catalysis happens fairly early, because the W quickly runs into one of the cleanup eaters. Spartan and nonspartan versions presented:

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x = 55, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
.2A$A2.A2.2A$.2A2.A.A27.2A$3.2A.B29.A$3.A2.2B28.A.AB$2A.A.BA2B.4B23.
2A5B$A2.A.A.A8B22.8B$2.2A.2A.10B20.10B$9.5B2D4B19.5B2D4B$9.4BDBD5B.BA
15.4BDBD5B.BA$7.5B2D8BA.A12.5B2D8BA.A$5.17B.2A10.17B.2A$5.2BC12B15.2B
C12B$4.3BCBC4B.5B14.3BCBC4B.5B$5.2B3C4B3.B2A15.2B3C4B3.B2A$4.5BC4B4.A
15.5BC4B4.A$3.10B6.3A11.10B6.3A$2.4B15.A10.4B15.A$.4B26.4B$4B26.4B$3B
27.3B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by A for awesome » November 9th, 2015, 10:21 pm

A new H-to-B that may or may not connect to anything:

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x = 19, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A.2A$9.A.A.A.A$9.BAB.BAB$2A8.5B$.A6.B.4B$.A.AB2.8B$2.2AB.10B$4.
13B$4.12B$5.4B2DBD2B$6.4B3D5B$7.4BD7B$7.12B$7.12B$8.2B.4B3CB$12.4BC2B
$12.2B3C2B$13.6B$13.6B$15.B.2B$18.B!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » November 9th, 2015, 10:50 pm

Chris Cain's spartan glider eater isn't just a tub-with-tail replacement. The small spark it produces is in just the right place to delete a B-heptomino's natural block with its Herschel's FNG!

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x = 23, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.2B2.2B$3.D8B$.DBD6B2C2B$B3D5B2C4B$.D8B2C4B$3.8BC5B2.2A$5.4B.3B.2B2.
A.A$6.4B4.5BA$7.4B3.4B$8.4B2.2BAB$9.6BABAB2.B$10.4BA2BAB.B2A$11.B.2B
2A4B2A$14.6B.B$16.B.B$15.3B$15.B2AB$16.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 9th, 2015, 11:13 pm

That H-to-B is pretty awesome, but there's nothing known that can put a B there :(

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Scorbie » November 10th, 2015, 2:16 am

Kazyan wrote:Chris Cain's spartan glider eater isn't just a tub-with-tail replacement. The small spark it produces is in just the right place to delete a B-heptomino's natural block with its Herschel's FNG!

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x = 23, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.2B2.2B$3.D8B$.DBD6B2C2B$B3D5B2C4B$.D8B2C4B$3.8BC5B2.2A$5.4B.3B.2B2.
A.A$6.4B4.5BA$7.4B3.4B$8.4B2.2BAB$9.6BABAB2.B$10.4BA2BAB.B2A$11.B.2B
2A4B2A$14.6B.B$16.B.B$15.3B$15.B2AB$16.2A!
Oh wow! I wonder if there are other still life configurations that do the same thing that gives more clearance.

EDIT: Sadly, the boat from chris's eater blocks every input I can find of from the known conduits.
EDIT: Another possibility, although already a little bit bulky.

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x = 37, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
35bo$34bobo$34bobo$35bo2$16b2o$17b2o$16b2o$16bo6$27b2o$27b2o3$2b2o$bob
o$bo$2o9b2o3b2o5b2o$5b2o4b2o2bo2bo4bobo$4bobo8bo2bo6bo$4b2o10b2o7b2o2$
7b2o$7bo$8b3o7b2o$10bo7bo$19b3o$21bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by biggiemac » November 10th, 2015, 2:56 am

Kazyan wrote:Chris Cain's spartan glider eater isn't just a tub-with-tail replacement. The small spark it produces is in just the right place to delete a B-heptomino's natural block with its Herschel's FNG!

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x = 23, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.2B2.2B$3.D8B$.DBD6B2C2B$B3D5B2C4B$.D8B2C4B$3.8BC5B2.2A$5.4B.3B.2B2.
A.A$6.4B4.5BA$7.4B3.4B$8.4B2.2BAB$9.6BABAB2.B$10.4BA2BAB.B2A$11.B.2B
2A4B2A$14.6B.B$16.B.B$15.3B$15.B2AB$16.2A!
That's really neat! That probably merits adding it to the conduit collection as a B->H.. I know the only B to natural H listed last I checked was a rectifier.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Scorbie » November 10th, 2015, 7:36 pm

Scorbie wrote:
Kazyan wrote:Chris Cain's spartan glider eater isn't just a tub-with-tail replacement. The small spark it produces is in just the right place to delete a B-heptomino's natural block with its Herschel's FNG!

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x = 23, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.2B2.2B$3.D8B$.DBD6B2C2B$B3D5B2C4B$.D8B2C4B$3.8BC5B2.2A$5.4B.3B.2B2.
A.A$6.4B4.5BA$7.4B3.4B$8.4B2.2BAB$9.6BABAB2.B$10.4BA2BAB.B2A$11.B.2B
2A4B2A$14.6B.B$16.B.B$15.3B$15.B2AB$16.2A!
Oh wow! I wonder if there are other still life configurations that do the same thing that gives more clearance.
Found a non-spartanic solution with more clearence, I think, with my thumb :)

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x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$10b2o$9b2o$9bo3$3b2o$3bo2bob2o$2obob2obobo$o2bo4bobo$2b2ob4ob3o$
4bo4bo3bo$4bob2obo2b2o$5b2obo!
EDIT: sadly this doesn't fit with the other B inputs either.
EDIT2: This one is as far as it can be. I doubt that Bellman or drifter can report catalysts with more clearance than this one. (Well if it does, itself is a really interesting G -> X, X being some distant methuselah/ spark)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by A for awesome » November 12th, 2015, 3:34 pm

A possibly new H-to-B:

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x = 30, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
15.C$13.3C$12.C$7.2C3.2C15.C$5.2B2CB3.B13.3C$5.4B4.4B9.C$5.15B6.2C$.B
3.16B2.5B$2CB.22B$2C23B2C$.B.22B2C$4.20B.B$5.19B$5.18B$6.16B$6.15B$5.
19B$4.2C17BDB$4.2CB.16BD$5.B2.16B2D$10.11B3CD$11.11BCDB$12.B2.5B3C2B$
14.3B2.6B$13.C2.CB.7B$13.4C4.B.4B$24.4B$13.2C10.4B$13.2C11.4B!
Actually an H-to-R, but there is only one connection that I know of.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » November 12th, 2015, 5:07 pm

A for awesome wrote:A possibly new H-to-B:

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x = 30, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
15.C$13.3C$12.C$7.2C3.2C15.C$5.2B2CB3.B13.3C$5.4B4.4B9.C$5.15B6.2C$.B
3.16B2.5B$2CB.22B$2C23B2C$.B.22B2C$4.20B.B$5.19B$5.18B$6.16B$6.15B$5.
19B$4.2C17BDB$4.2CB.16BD$5.B2.16B2D$10.11B3CD$11.11BCDB$12.B2.5B3C2B$
14.3B2.6B$13.C2.CB.7B$13.4C4.B.4B$24.4B$13.2C10.4B$13.2C11.4B!
Actually an H-to-R, but there is only one connection that I know of.
The boat and loaf variants of the R->B work equally well here. Unfortunately, the only B->X that connects to the output seems to be BBx187H. Even this only works in a limited number of cases. e.g.,

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x = 80, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A$B49.B2AB$2B49.2B$3B47.2B$4B38.2A5.4B$.4B36.B2AB2.10B$2.4B29.A2B
4.15B$3.4B27.ABAB5.13B2A$4.4B26.A2BAB2.15B2A$5.4B26.2A2B2.14B.B$6.4B
26.19B$7.4B7.A7.2A9.4BD13B$8.4B6.3A6.A9.4B3D11B2.2A$9.4B8.A5.A.AB6.5B
D14BA.A$10.4B6.2A6.A.AB.B3.19B3.A$11.4B5.6B3.A3B2A3.18B3.2A$12.4B6.5B
.3B.B2A2.19B$13.4B4.9B3.B4.17B$14.4B2.11B7.17B$15.18B2.20B$16.22BD15B
$12.2A3.21BDBD4B.7B$13.A4.20B3D4B2.6B$13.A.AB.21B2D2BDB3.6B$14.2A24B
3D2B5.4B$15.17B.5B.2BD4B3.B2A2B$17.30B3.2A.B2A$8.A10.16B.12B5.BA.A$8.
3A8.15B3.12B7.A$11.A7.14B5.7B.4B6.2A$10.2A3.B3.13B7.6B2.4B$10.8B.12B
8.7B2.4B$12.18B9.7B3.4B$12.17B10.8B.6B22.B$11.17B11.16B20.3D$9.18B12.
17B19.BDB$7.19B13.18B17.2B3D$7.2BE15B15.18B16.5B$6.3BEBE4B.9B17.11B.
4B14.7B$7.2B3E4B2.7B17.13B.4B5.2A5.8B$6.5BE4B4.5B16.20B3.B2AB3.8B$5.
10B3.5B16.B.21B3.3B2.9B$4.4B10.2A15.2A.2A23B3.B2.4B.6B$4.3B12.A16.A.A
.B.30B.7B$2.4B10.3A15.A.A.A.A38B$2.2A12.A17.2A3.2A.B.35B$3.A39.32B2A
3B$3A40.32B2A2B$A41.36B$40.A35B$38.3A2.7B.22B2.2B$37.A5.7B3.7B.8B.2B
2.B2AB$37.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2A$43.5B6.4B8.4B$41.2AB.2B7.4B7.B2A2B$40.A.
AB10.B2AB8.2A$40.A14.2A$39.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » November 12th, 2015, 9:55 pm

Apparently new Pi-to-H:

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x = 32, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
15.3D$16.D$16.3D16$17.2A$17.2A2$24.A.2A$8.2A14.2A.A$7.A.A$8.A10$2.2A$
.A.A$.A13.3C$2A13.C.C9.2A$5.2A8.C.C7.A2.A$4.A.A18.3A$4.A23.3A$3.2A20.
2A.A2.A$26.A.A.A$26.A2.A$27.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 12th, 2015, 9:59 pm

Sokwe wrote:Unfortunately, the only B->X that connects to the output seems to be BBx187H.
There's also the Snark-assisted composite BF137H conduit:

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x = 78, y = 53, rule = LifeHistory
15.A10.2A$13.3A10.A2.2A$12.A14.A.A.A.2A16.2A$7.2A3.2A12.2A.A.A.A18.A$
5.2B2AB3.B13.B.A.A2.A4.A11.A$5.4B4.4B9.2ABA2.A.A4.3A9.2A$5.15B6.2A2.A
.2A8.A9.B$.B3.16B2.5B.2A10.2A9.3B19.4B$2AB.22B4.A10.5B5.6B16.5B$2A23B
2A3.A.AB9.4B3.10B11.7B$.B.22B2A4.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.10B$4.20B.B7.7B
.9BD3B2A15BD6B$5.19B9.17B2D2B2A15BDBD4B$5.18B11.17B2D18B3D4B$6.16B11.
18BD21BD4B$6.15B10.19BD26B$5.21B2.19B.B3.13B.4B$4.2A6BD10BD7BD13B7.7B
.B4.4B$4.2AB.4B2D10BD6BDBD4B.6B19.4B$5.B2.3B2D11B2D5B3D4B2.B.5B16.4B$
10.11B3CD8BD4B7.2A15.4B$10.12BCD13B8.A15.4B$8.12B3C7B16.3A11.4B$6.2BA
6B.B2.10B19.A10.4B$6.BABAB8.10B29.4B$6.A2BA9.11B27.4B$7.2A11.11B25.4B
$20.12B23.4B$19.6B.7B21.4B$19.7B.7B19.4B$18.8B2.7B6.A10.4B$17.9B3.7B
5.3A7.4B$16.10B4.7B7.A5.4B$15.12B4.7B5.2A4.4B$15.11B6.7B4.9B$13.2A2B.
9B6.7B5.6B$12.A.A3.9B7.7B2.8B$12.A4.10B8.18B$11.2A4.3B2A5B5.B3.2B.14B
$16.4B2A5B4.2AB.3B2.13B$16.11B4.2A3BA4.10B.B2A$11.2A.A7BD4B5.B.BA.A5.
3B2AB3.BA.A$11.A.2A2.4B3DB10.BA.A4.3B2AB6.A$18.2B2D2BD13.A6.4B6.2A$
20.3B15.2A5.3B$20.2B20.AB.2B$41.A.AB2AB$41.A.ABABAB$38.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$
38.A2.A2.2A.4A$40.2A4.A$46.A.A$47.2A!
It's even uglier, but it works. The eater 3 acting as a snake in the input conduit is just because I thought it was a cool coincidence - it's perfectly fine to just use an eater 5 or probably even a normal eater. Ignore that last bit in red, I edited this post because the trick I tried to do didn't work.
Extrementhusiast wrote:Apparently new Pi-to-H:
That's awesome! Looks like it should fit pretty well with the normal isolated Pi outputs (Haven't checked yet though)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » November 12th, 2015, 10:39 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:The eater 3 acting as a snake in the input conduit is just because I thought it was a cool coincidence - it's perfectly fine to just use an eater 5 or probably even a normal eater.
It would be a coincidence if it worked in the first place; the block renders the snake unusable.

Relatively useless H-to-B:

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x = 31, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
27.2A$2A25.A$.A23.A.A$.A.A21.2A$2.2A2$26.A$7.D.2D14.A.A$7.3D15.A.A$8.
D13.2A.A.A.2A$22.2A.A2.A.A$26.A.A$22.2A.2A.2A$23.A.A$23.A.A$24.A$8.3C
$9.C8.2A$9.3C6.A$19.3A$21.A!
The reason why I'm posting this is that it showcases a catalysis that I found.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 12th, 2015, 11:03 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:It would be a coincidence if it worked in the first place; the block renders the snake unusable.
Oh, oops... I thought I had checked to make sure it did :oops:

I'm fixing it now.

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