The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Extrementhusiast
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » May 24th, 2016, 3:21 pm

Seems like a very versatile back end of an X-to-H, as you just need to convert the block to a particular one-bit spark, and there's a lot of room:

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x = 25, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
13.A$13.3A$16.A$15.2A4$23.2A$23.2A11$19.C$9.2D7.C.C$9.2D7.C.C$16.C2.C
8$15.3D$17.D$2.2A12.3D$.A.A$.A$2A!
It feels like I've posted this here already.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » May 24th, 2016, 4:32 pm

Looks familiar--I think you'd stated that derivatives of it could produce a hilarious gun if we were lucky.

There's nothing in my glider-and-bait-block CatForce results that would immediately turn that into a G-to-X, unfortunately, but there should be other ways to produce bait objects in place of that block.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by gmc_nxtman » June 26th, 2016, 4:39 pm

I've updated the H-to-H collection once again. I added a few conduits involving unusual intermediates, and a smaller but slower and less spartan version of Bx106. In addition, I removed the tick mark "-" from almost all conduits; I left it on conduits where a glider construction is not yet known (or at least that I know of).
h-to-h-collection-26Jun2016.mc.gz
(76.27 KiB) Downloaded 269 times
Here is it for Hersrch (new conduits only, with y values inverted, and no intermediate objects):
h-to-h-collection-Hersrch-Jun26.mc.gz
(52.44 KiB) Downloaded 285 times
Previous version of the collection:
h-to-h-collection-9Jun2016.mc.gz
(72.36 KiB) Downloaded 275 times
And here are the conduits that have repeat time < 75 (for gunmakers):

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#C h-to-h-collection-cut75.rle
x = 1444, y = 108, rule = LifeHistory
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Rhombic » July 5th, 2016, 12:25 pm

This still life can be hit, successively with four Herschels, destroying them in the process. After the last one, there is nothing left, so I'm guessing it could be used as a timer? Major downside, the glider/other synthesis (that would be needed for this purpose) seems hard:

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x = 90, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
26b2o$b3o21bo2bo$bo24b2o$3o2$19bo$10b2o7bobo12b2o21b2o$9bobo7b3o11bobo
20bobo$4bo3bobo10bo10bobo20bobo$3bobobobo18b2obobo17b2obobo8bo16bo$4b
2obo20b2obo19b2obo8bobo15bobo$7bo23bo22bo8b3o15bobo$7b2o22b2o21b2o7bo
18bo4$87b3o$88bo$86b3o!
Alternatively, this could be used to create one of the two beehives for collision later with a glider instead.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » July 5th, 2016, 1:03 pm

Rhombic wrote:This still life can be hit, successively with four Herschels, destroying them in the process. After the last one, there is nothing left, so I'm guessing it could be used as a timer?
Not really. You would need a much clearer sense of where your next signal was coming from. Is another Herschel going to follow one of the destroyed ones? If so, then it's going to explode, because there's no conduit there any more to carry it away -- and no room to add one, since you already need four conduits coming in from all four directions to put those Herschels in place. There are much much simpler ways to count to four, or to create beehives.

-- Not to discourage you, but I think it would be a good idea for you to get some experience building complete Herschel circuits -- say, contribute a new smallest gun of some period to the new guns thread -- before you post more suggestions along these lines, or more of this kind of thing.

Alternatively, at least invest the time to read all the way through Gustavo's thread. It will give you a much better sense of what structures and reactions could conceivably be useful for someone else to know about, and which are just random interactions that are not really worth mentioning anywhere outside of the Sandbox.
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Rhombic wrote:Major downside, the glider/other synthesis (that would be needed for this purpose) seems hard...
Yes, that's a good description of the problem. When you come up with any kind of reaction where an object gets destroyed that will be very difficult to rebuild, and you don't show any way to do the rebuilding, then what you're doing is more like cellular-automata artwork than repeatable circuitry. Nothing wrong with that, but it would fit better in Useless Discoveries than in this already cluttered conduit-hunting thread.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Rhombic » July 7th, 2016, 10:25 am

dvgrn wrote:Alternatively, at least invest the time to read all the way through Gustavo's thread.
I really did not expect the four Herschel counter to be THAT useless :D

But I do see how might have been unnecessary to post it immediately here without further consideration.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » July 7th, 2016, 11:10 am

Yes Gustavo definitely became the complete uselessness baseline. I agree with Dave the herschels posted are completely useless, but to know your pattern is useless is kinda simple: you should try small alteration of the pattern and see do you get similar stuff or not. Your posts are just too trivial as this kind of interactions is very common.

I would suggest to newcomers not waste time on placing random stuff and hoping they're somehow interesting, and to try and improve existing goals and designs. Even if you fail, you get much more useful experience from trying and improve existing designs, than from just randomly place stuff and hope you got something.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by gmc_nxtman » July 7th, 2016, 3:39 pm

Bringing this back up because it seems very salvagable (probably by a few snarks)

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x = 51, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
4B19.2A$.4B12.A.2A.A.A$2.4B11.2A.A.A$3.4B14.2AB$4.4B13.2B$5.4B13.3B$
6.4B11.5B$7.4B10.6B$8.4B10.7B3.3B$9.4B9.8B.7B$10.4B7.9B.8B$11.4B6.18B
$12.4B4.21B$13.4B4.20B$14.4B3.5B2A6B3D4B$15.4B2.5B2A13B$16.4B2.18B$
17.4B.18B$18.20B$19.19B$18.19B$18.20B$17.24B.B$18.30B$17.32BD$16.31B
3DB$15.32BDBD$15.32BD$7.2A6.21B4.2B2.2B$8.A6.21B$8.A.AB4.11BD8B$9.2AB
.14BD9B$11.16BD9B$11.28B$12.29B$11.30B$9.28B.4B$7.31B.2A2B$7.2BC28BA.
AB$6.3BCBC4B.17B.3B2A$7.2B3C4B.10B.6B3.3B$6.5BC4B.8B5.B.B5.B$5.10B.9B
$4.4B6.10B.2B$3.4B5.14B2A$2.4B5.15B2A$.4B5.17B$11.13B$14.10B$14.11B$
14.10B$15.8B$18.4B$19.4B$20.4B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » July 10th, 2016, 3:51 pm

A C-to-R with much greater offset:

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x = 26, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A$10.2A6$23.2D$24.2D$24.D5$2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A4$13.3C$13.C2.C$15.2C7$
4.2A$5.A$2.3A$2.A!
Unfortunately, there's currently no input available, due to the lower left eater, and it's going to be fairly tricky to get that R out.

A ridiculous transparent block for a pi, which may lead to a P-H or something like that:

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x = 15, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
2C$2C2$12.3C$12.C.C$12.C.C!
Incidentally, that one leftover beehive could turn this into a period doubler.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simeks » July 10th, 2016, 4:36 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:A C-to-R with much greater offset: ... and it's going to be fairly tricky to get that R out.
Actually generation 52 of this converges on generation 89 of this, so it can use the same exit:

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x = 46, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
15.2A$16.A$16.A.A$17.2A2.2A$21.2A2$28.2A$28.A.A$29.A7.2A$38.A$38.A.A$
10.2A27.A.A$10.2A28.A3.2A$20.2D22.2A$21.2D$21.D$35.D$35.2D8.D$23.2D
11.2D5.3D$24.2D10.D6.D.D$24.D10.D7.D3$32.2A$32.A$2A31.3A$.A28.A4.A$.A
.A23.A.A.A$2.2A23.2A2.A$31.2A3$13.3C$13.C2.C$15.2C7$4.2A$5.A$2.3A$2.A
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » July 10th, 2016, 4:45 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:A ridiculous transparent block for a pi, which may lead to a P-H or something like that...
Incidentally, that one leftover beehive could turn this into a period doubler.
That's an impressive transparent block, even if it won't set any records for recovery time (except maybe in the "slow" direction).

It all looks a little unlikely unless a way can be found to clean up that beehive, though. The period-doubling option sounded nice, but it produces a spark big enough to exclude all known X-to-Pi conduits as input, I think -- except for giant synchronized things that build the pi with gliders from a distance. Here are the reaction envelopes, with the "doubler" spark in red:

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x = 52, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
21.2B$19.5B$19.BA4B$18.2BA4B$17.3BA5B$16.10B$16.9B$14.9B2A$14.9BABAB$
13.11B2A2B$12.2A12B2AB$11.A2BA4B2A5BABA$12.ABA4BABA5B2A$13.A6B2A7B$
13.9B2A8B$5.17BABA4B2AB$4.4BD14B2A4BABAB$4.4B3D19B2A2B$4.4BDBD7B2A14B
$4.6BD6BA2BA14B2.2B$4.10B2.BA2BA19B$4.7B6.B2A13B2A7B$4.5B9.15B2A7B$4.
4B9.25B$18.24B$18.24B$18.23B.2B$18.27B$17.29B$17.30B$18.29B$17.31B$
17.13B2D17B$14.14B5D7BD9B$14.13B5D2BD3BD2B2D7B$13.14B9D3B2DB3DB3D2B$
13.15B11D2B9D2B$13.9B2C3B23D2B$15.7B2C3B22D2B$15.11B23D2B$15.11B8D3C
12D2B$14.12B8DCDC9DBD3B$13.4B.8B8DCDC8D7B$12.4B2.8B19D6B$11.4B2.11B
17D6B$10.4B4.11B16D.2B$9.4B7.9B2D2B12D$8.4B10.11B11D$7.4B12.2B2.6B11D
$6.4B17.5B13D$5.4B19.4B14D$4.4B20.4B14D$3.4B23.3B13D$2.4B24.4B10D$.4B
26.4B3.6D$4B27.4B4.4D$3B29.2B5.4D$2B39.D$B!
-- Nice extraction for the R in the other pattern. It doesn't seem impossible to dig up conduits that throw centuries and LOMS and suchlike, a little further from their catalysts, to turn that into a usable elementary conduit. It will just take some concentrated effort (and/or some more years of inspired experimentation) to come up with a good collection...!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by gmc_nxtman » July 10th, 2016, 5:59 pm

Is this H->R usable at all?

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x = 38, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
15.5B$14.D6B$13.2D7B$14.2D8B6.2A$15.9B6.A$13.12B2.BA.A$11.15B.B2A$11.
17B$12.16B$14.14B$9.4B.14B$8.20B$8.20B2A$9.16B2.A2BA2.2A$8.16B3.ABAB
3.A$6.17B5.A4B.A.2A$4.19B7.B2A.A.A$4.2BC15B8.BAB.A2.A$3.3BCBC12B7.A4.
A2.2A$4.2B3C4B2.6B7.5A$3.5BC4B3.6B$2.10B5.5B8.A$.4B13.4B7.A.A$4B13.B
2A2B8.A$18.2A!
The first block from the Herschel makes almost all outputs unusable. Oh well.

At least it makes an H->G...

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x = 66, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$4.3A$7.A$6.2A$6.4B$8.3B4.2A$6.2A3B3.B2AB$5.ABA4B2.4B$5.BA6B2.2B$
6.13B$6.13B$6.14B$6.14B$7.13B$7.13B$7.14B$6.16B4.B13.A$3.20B2.3B3.A7.
A.A$3.25B3.3A4.2BAB$2.26B6.A4.2B$3.26B4.2A5.4B$4.25B4.3B3.6B$4.27B4.
3B2.8B$3.AB2.24BD10BD6B$2.A.A2.23BD10B2D7B$2.2A4.21B2D11B2D8B6.2A$8.
22B2D20B6.A$8.23BD21B2.BA.A$8.46B.B2A$8.27B3.18B$7.7B.10B2A2B3.4B4.
16B$8.5B4.2B4.2B2A6.4B5.14B$7.6B11.B9.7B.14B$6.9B21.20B$5.7B.2A21.20B
2A$4.4B5.A23.16B2.A2BA2.2A$3.4B7.3A19.16B3.ABAB3.A$2.4B10.A17.17B5.A
4B.A.2A$.4B27.19B7.B2A.A.A$4B28.2BC15B8.BAB.A2.A$31.3BCBC12B7.A4.A2.
2A$32.2B3C4B2.6B7.5A$31.5BC4B3.6B$30.10B5.5B8.A$29.4B13.4B7.A.A$28.4B
13.B2A2B8.A$46.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » July 13th, 2016, 1:05 pm

A couple of C conduits:

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x = 55, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
4$37b2o$37b2o$5b2o$5b2o21b2o14bo$29bo14b3o$29bobo15bo$30b2o14b2o8$4bo
29bo$4b2o28b2o$5b2o28b2o$5bo29bo$13b2o28b2o$8b2obo2bo23b2obo2bo$7bobob
3o23bobob3o$2b2o3bobo22b2o3bobo$2bo2bobob3o20bo2bobob3o$3b4obo3bo20b4o
bo3bo$8bo2b2o25bo2b2o$5bobo27bobo$5b2o28b2o!
The latter would be a C-to-B, but the left fishhook is damaged if the B is allowed to evolve normally; Conduit 1 salvages it here.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by A for awesome » October 14th, 2016, 12:22 pm

All the 2-catalyst combinations I could find on the Herschel with a simple CatForce search, using eaters, blocks, beehives, opaque boats, and tubs:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
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I've only looked through the first hundred or so, but there are definitely some promising things I haven't seen before.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by BlinkerSpawn » October 14th, 2016, 4:01 pm

A for awesome wrote:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by A for awesome » October 14th, 2016, 4:18 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
A for awesome wrote:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
catalyses
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The viewer actually doesn't like how huge the pattern is.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » October 16th, 2016, 1:57 am

Probably unusable H->P and related H->G (not sure if known, but found it after looking through the reaction stamp collection above and messing with one of them):

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x = 93, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
24.3D5B51.4B$23.BD9B48.4B$23.B3D8B46.4B$22.13B45.4B$23.14B42.4B$23.
15B11.A28.4B$21.B.15B9.3A23.B3.4B$20.3B.18B4.A25.3B.4B$4.2A7.B3.2B.
24B2.2A8.2A7.B3.2B.7B12.2A$5.A6.3B.32B9.A6.3B.10B13.A$5.A.AB.15B.20B
11.A.AB.15B5.2B4.BA.A$6.2AB.15B.21B11.2AB.15B3.6B2.B2A$8.18B.20B13.
18B2.9B$9.17B.19B15.17B.10B$8.36B16.29B$4.B.35B15.B.31B$3.2A37B13.2A
33B$3.2A33B2.3B12.2A33B$4.34B3.2A.A11.34B$2.5B2.29B3.2AB3A7.5B2.29B$
2.2A4.23B2.5B4.B4.A6.2A4.23B2.5B$3.A4.7B.10B2.2B.7B3.2A.3A8.A4.7B.10B
2.2B.7B$3A6.4B3.9B7.5B5.A.A7.3A6.4B3.9B7.5B$A6.5B5.11B6.2B6.A.A7.A6.
5B5.11B6.2B$7.2A8.12B4.4B6.A15.2A8.12B4.4B$8.A8.12B4.B2AB23.A8.12B4.B
2AB$5.3A10.11B5.2A21.3A10.11B5.2A$5.A10.4B.4B3CB28.A10.4B.4B3CB$16.2A
4.4BC2B39.2A4.4BC2B$17.A4.2B3C2B40.A4.2B3C2B$14.3A6.6B37.3A6.6B$14.A
8.7B36.A8.7B$25.B.4B46.B.4B$28.4B48.4B$29.4B48.4B!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2016, 2:42 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:Probably unusable H->P and related H->G (not sure if known, but found it after looking through the reaction stamp collection above and messing with one of them)...
Yup, that one is known -- SE22T74. You can find out by copying your LifeHistory pattern into a new Golly universe, and then running the recognizer script from the clipboard -- only takes a few seconds.

I still need to make a list in a code block of all the standardized H-to-G names, so that it becomes trivial to do a text search on the first page of that thread and see if SE22T74 is going to be in the stamp collection.

Here's the minimal form -- turns out the block+eater combination just suppresses the standard second natural glider:

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#C H-to-3G:  SW-2T21 & NW31T120 & SE22T74
x = 47, y = 73, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.D3.D2.3D4.D3.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$2D2.D.D3.D.D3.D2.2D5.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D
$D.D.D.D3.D5.D3.D5.D5.D7.D.D2.2D$D2.2D.D.D.D3.2D4.D5.D5.D6.D2.D.D.D$D
3.D.D.D.D5.D3.D5.D5.D5.D3.2D2.D$D3.D.2D.2D.D3.D3.D5.D5.D4.D4.D3.D$D3.
D.D3.D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D2.5D2.3D4$.3D2.5D2.3D3.3D2.5D.5D4.D$D3.D.D5.D3.D
.D3.D3.D7.D3.2D$D5.D9.D5.D3.D6.D3.D.D$.3D2.3D6.D5.D4.D5.D3.D2.D$4.D.D
7.D5.D5.D4.D4.5D$D3.D.D6.D5.D6.D3.D8.D$.3D2.5D.5D.5D3.D3.D8.D4$.3D2.D
3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D3.D3.D2.2D$D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$
.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$4.D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.D5.D$D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.
D$.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D2$13.4B$14.4B$15.4B$16.4B$17.4B$18.4B$19.4B
$20.4B$21.4B8.A$14.2A6.4B5.3A$15.A7.4B3.A$15.A.AB4.4B3.2A$16.2AB.2B.
5B.3B$18.12B$18.14B$18.14B$19.14B$20.14B$10.2A8.13B$11.A9.11B$11.A.AB
4.14B$12.2AB.18B$14.20B$14.19B$15.20B$14.22B$12.23B$10.24B$10.2BC22B$
9.3BCBC4B.10B2.4B$10.2B3C4B2.7B5.4B$9.5BC4B2.8B5.4B$8.10B2.11B4.4B$7.
4B9.11B5.4B$6.4B11.11B5.4B$5.4B11.B.10B6.4B$4.4B11.2B.9B8.3B$3.4B9.2B
.12B9.2B$2.4B9.2A13B11.B$2.3B10.2A13B$2.2B12.2B.13B$2.B17.6B4.2A$30.A
$31.3A$33.A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simeks » October 16th, 2016, 3:21 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:Probably unusable H->P ...
The H->P is not unusable, it connects to PNW7T126 for an H->G with timing SE36T214, an output lane not listed in the current H->G collection:

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x = 46, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
8.2A$9.A$9.A.A$10.2A2.2A8.2C$14.2A7.A.C$4.2A15.3A.C.C$5.A14.A5.2C$5.A
.A12.2A$6.2A4$42.2C$42.C$2A38.C.C$.A38.2C$.A.A$2.2A$38.2C4.2C$38.2C5.
C$42.3C$42.C3$2.C26.3D$2.C.C24.D.D$2.3C24.D.D$4.C7$5.2A$5.2A6$10.A.2A
$8.3A.2A$7.A$8.3A.2A$10.A.A$10.A.A10.2A$11.A11.A.A$25.A$25.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2016, 7:04 pm

simeks wrote:
Sphenocorona wrote:Probably unusable H->P ...
The H->P is not unusable, it connects to PNW7T126 for an H->G with timing SE36T214, an output lane not listed in the current H->G collection...
And since H-to-multi-Gs are generally more valuable than plain H-to-Gs, it's maybe worth mentioning that the block-and-eater is optional again:

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x = 62, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.D3.D2.3D4.D3.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$2D2.D.D3.D.D3.D2.2D5.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D
$D.D.D.D3.D5.D3.D5.D5.D7.D.D2.2D$D2.2D.D.D.D3.2D4.D5.D5.D6.D2.D.D.D$D
3.D.D.D.D5.D3.D5.D5.D5.D3.2D2.D$D3.D.2D.2D.D3.D3.D5.D5.D4.D4.D3.D$D3.
D.D3.D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D2.5D2.3D4$.3D2.5D2.3D3.3D2.5D2.3D4.D6.D$D3.D.D5.
D3.D.D7.D3.D3.D2.2D5.2D$D5.D9.D.D7.D7.D3.D4.D.D$.3D2.3D5.2D2.4D4.D6.D
4.D3.D2.D$4.D.D9.D.D3.D3.D5.D5.D3.5D$D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D4.D6.D6.D$.
3D2.5D2.3D3.3D4.D3.5D2.3D5.D4$.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$D3.D.D3.D7.D3.
D3.D3.D3.D2.2D$D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$4.D.D.D
.D9.D5.D5.D5.D$D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D2$10.4B
$11.4B$12.4B$13.4B$14.4B$15.4B$16.4B$17.4B$18.4B10.2A$19.4B8.A.A$12.
2A6.4B5.3A.A.AB$13.A7.4B3.A5.2AB.2B$13.A.AB4.4B3.2A6.5B$14.2AB.2B.5B.
3B6.7B$16.12B8.7B$16.14B6.7B$16.14B3.10B$17.14B.13B5.2A$18.28B4.A$8.
2A8.24B.3B.BA.A$9.A9.11B.15B.B2A$9.A.AB4.31B$10.2AB.35B$12.34B2A4.2A$
12.34B2A5.A$13.35B2.3A$12.38BA$10.39B$8.41B$8.2BC38B$7.3BCBC4B.31B$8.
2B3C4B2.31B$7.5BC4B2.31B$6.10B2.33B$5.4B9.34B$4.4B11.21B.12B$3.4B11.B
.20B3.6B.4B$2.4B11.2B.19B6.2B4.4B$.4B9.2B.22B13.4B$4B9.2A23B15.4B$3B
10.2A21B18.4B$2B12.2B.19B19.4B$B17.17B21.4B$23.10B24.4B$23.10B25.4B$
22.11B26.3B$18.A.2A2B.8B27.2B$16.3AB2AB2.7B29.B$15.A4.B4.7B$16.3A.2A
4.5B$18.A.A5.5B$18.A.A6.2B.B2A$19.A10.BA.A$33.A$33.2A!
Not quite Spartan, but the catalysts are nicely separated -- it should be easily slow-salvo constructible if that's ever needed.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » October 17th, 2016, 2:00 am

I should probably update my conduit collections. Anyway, the goal with suppressing the 2nd natural glider was to try and find a way to clean up a different evolutionary sequence, but I ended up getting off track. Nice to see that Pi output wasn't entirely unusable after all.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by AbhpzTa » November 6th, 2016, 6:17 pm

SE18T9:

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x = 23, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$2.C.C4.2C$2.C.C4.2C$.2C.2C12.C$.C14.3C$2.C.2C9.C$C.C.2C9.2C$2C3$
11.2C$11.2C9$5.E$5.E.E$5.3E$7.E3$19.2C$13.2C4.C$9.2C.C.C5.3C$9.C.2C.C
.C5.C$15.2C!
F128(123):

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x = 32, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$2.C.C4.2C$2.C.C4.2C$.2C.2C12.C$.C14.3C$2.C.2C9.C$C.C.2C9.2C$2C3$
11.2C$11.2C9$5.E$5.E.E$5.3E$7.E4$29.D$29.D.D$29.3D$31.D3$6.2C$5.C.C
22.2C$5.C20.C3.2C$4.2C4.C14.C.C$9.C.C5.C6.C.C$10.C5.C.C5.C$17.2C4.2C!
Iteration of sigma(n)+tau(n)-n [sigma(n)+tau(n)-n : OEIS A163163] (e.g. 16,20,28,34,24,44,46,30,50,49,11,3,3, ...) :
965808 is period 336 (max = 207085118608).

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by gmc_nxtman » November 6th, 2016, 7:37 pm

AbhpzTa wrote:SE18T9:

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x = 23, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$2.C.C4.2C$2.C.C4.2C$.2C.2C12.C$.C14.3C$2.C.2C9.C$C.C.2C9.2C$2C3$
11.2C$11.2C9$5.E$5.E.E$5.3E$7.E3$19.2C$13.2C4.C$9.2C.C.C5.3C$9.C.2C.C
.C5.C$15.2C!
F128(123):

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x = 32, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$2.C.C4.2C$2.C.C4.2C$.2C.2C12.C$.C14.3C$2.C.2C9.C$C.C.2C9.2C$2C3$
11.2C$11.2C9$5.E$5.E.E$5.3E$7.E4$29.D$29.D.D$29.3D$31.D3$6.2C$5.C.C
22.2C$5.C20.C3.2C$4.2C4.C14.C.C$9.C.C5.C6.C.C$10.C5.C.C5.C$17.2C4.2C!
Very nice! How did you find the transparent block reaction?

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simeks » November 7th, 2016, 5:23 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:
AbhpzTa wrote:SE18T9: rle
F128(123): rle
Very nice! How did you find the transparent block reaction?
I agree! And I would too be very interested to know how you found it...

Here's a NE15T40 using that transparent block:

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x = 55, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory
14.D3.D.5D3.D3.5D.5D4.D3.3D$14.2D2.D.D6.2D3.D7.D5.2D2.D3.D$14.D.D.D.D
7.D3.D7.D4.D.D2.D2.2D$14.D2.2D.3D5.D4.3D4.D3.D2.D2.D.D.D$14.D3.D.D7.D
7.D3.D3.5D.2D2.D$14.D3.D.D7.D3.D3.D3.D6.D2.D3.D$14.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D4.D
6.D3.3D4$15.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$14.D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D3.D3.D2.2D$
14.D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$15.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$18.D.D.D.D9.D5.D
5.D5.D$14.D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$15.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D32$11.A$
10.A.A4.2A$10.A.A3.B2AB$9.2A.2A2.3B7.A19.B$9.A2.B3.2B6.3A18.2B$10.AB
2AB.3B4.A20.3B$8.A.A.2A5B4.2A18.4B$8.2A4.7B.3B17.4B$15.8B18.4B$14.10B
16.4B$14.5B2A2B16.4B$13.6B2A2B15.4B$13.9B.B3.2B8.4B$13.8B.3B.4B6.4B$
14.17B4.4B$14.17B3.4B$15.17B.4B$15.16B.4B$13.22B$11.23B$11.2BC19B$10.
3BCBC4B.11B$11.2B3C4B.10B$10.5BC14B7.2A$9.10B2.8B8.A$8.4B10.8B4.BA.A$
7.4B11.11B.B2A$6.4B11.10B2A2B$5.4B12.7B2.BA.AB$4.4B14.7B3.2A$3.4B15.
6B$2.4B16.8B$.4B17.8B$4B20.4B.B2A.A$3B22.B3.B2AB3A$2B22.3B4.B4.A$B23.
B2AB2.2A.3A$25.2A4.A.A$31.A.A$32.A!
EDIT: It can actually insert a glider at the minimum distance in front of another glider:

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x = 40, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
12.A$11.A.A4.2A$11.A.A4.2A$10.2A.2A12.A$10.A14.3A$11.A.2A9.A$9.A.A.2A
9.2A$9.2A3$20.2A$20.2A9$14.C$14.C.C$14.3C$16.C21.2A$38.A$36.A.A$36.2A
$32.2A$32.A.A$33.2A4$31.2A.A$31.2A.3A$37.A$26.2A3.2A.3A$26.2A4.A.A$
32.A.A$33.A10$.2A$A.A$2.A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by gmc_nxtman » November 7th, 2016, 7:16 pm

simeks wrote: EDIT: It can actually insert a glider at the minimum distance in front of another glider:

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x = 40, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
12.A$11.A.A4.2A$11.A.A4.2A$10.2A.2A12.A$10.A14.3A$11.A.2A9.A$9.A.A.2A
9.2A$9.2A3$20.2A$20.2A9$14.C$14.C.C$14.3C$16.C21.2A$38.A$36.A.A$36.2A
$32.2A$32.A.A$33.2A4$31.2A.A$31.2A.3A$37.A$26.2A3.2A.3A$26.2A4.A.A$
32.A.A$33.A10$.2A$A.A$2.A!
Impressive!

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