Cool! How did you find this variant?chris_c wrote:There is also this variant:I can't think of any faster ways of getting a NE glider and a forward Herschel. Nice find!Code: Select all
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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
 gmc_nxtman
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
I recognised the boat+block in AbhpzTa's original conduit from SE7T14 and then poked around the H>G collection looking for possible substitutions:gmc_nxtman wrote:Cool! How did you find this variant?chris_c wrote:There is also this variant:I can't think of any faster ways of getting a NE glider and a forward Herschel. Nice find!Code: Select all
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x = 98, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
4.3D2.5D.5D.5D3.D6.D26.D3.D.5D3.D3.5D2.3D3.3D$3.D3.D.D9.D3.D4.2D5.2D
26.2D2.D.D6.2D5.D3.D3.D.D3.D$3.D5.D8.D4.D5.D4.D.D26.D.D.D.D7.D5.D7.D
5.D$4.3D2.3D5.D5.D5.D3.D2.D26.D2.2D.3D5.D5.D6.D5.D$7.D.D6.D6.D5.D3.5D
25.D3.D.D7.D5.D5.D5.D$3.D3.D.D5.D7.D5.D6.D26.D3.D.D7.D5.D4.D5.D$4.3D
2.5D.D7.D4.3D5.D26.D3.D.5D2.3D4.D3.5D.5D2$B6$91.B$75.2A13.2B$76.A12.
4B$75.A12.4B$75.2A2.2A6.4B$29.AB47.A.A5.4B$28.A.AB.B39.4A.A6.4B$12.2A
13.B.2A2B2A38.A2.A.2A4.4B$13.A11.6B.B2A41.5B2.4B$13.A.AB7.6B3.B43.9B$
14.2AB.3B3.7B46.8B$16.16B44.8B$16.16B33.2A9.7B$17.15B34.A10.6B4.2A$
16.16B34.A.AB7.6B4.A$14.18B35.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$12.19B38.14B.B2A$12.2BD
16B38.16B$11.3BDBD4B.9B39.14B$12.2B3D4B2.7B39.16B$11.5BD4B2.7B37.18B$
10.10B4.6B35.19B$9.4B10.7B35.2BD16B$9.3B12.6B34.3BDBD4B.9B$7.4B13.7B
34.2B3D4B2.7B$7.2A16.5B34.5BD4B2.7B$8.A16.6B32.10B4.6B$5.3A15.9B30.4B
10.7B$5.A17.2A.7B29.3B12.6B$24.A5.4B26.4B13.7B$21.3A7.4B25.2A16.5B$
21.A10.4B25.A16.5B$33.4B21.3A15.7B$34.4B20.A17.2A.3B$35.4B38.A$74.3A$
74.A!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Yes, this looks pretty good for future 2signal synchronization problems. Maybe some competitive converters will show up using this.chris_c wrote:I can't think of any faster ways of getting a NE glider and a forward Herschel. Nice find!AbhpzTa wrote:F131(98)
My first instinct is always to try to use this kind of thing to make the old Herschel receiver relevant again somehow.
A receiver can use gliders on 90degree intersecting paths, of either color, in several different ways.
Unfortunately I think my instinct is now several years out of date, especially starting from a nonSpartan component. A syringe is still a better solution for nearly any problem:
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x = 456, y = 188, rule = LifeHistory
295.2A$157.2A135.B2AB$156.B2AB134.4B$156.4B135.2B$157.2B134.2A3B$155.
2A3B133.2A5B$155.2A5B118.2A11.8B$142.2A11.8B118.A6.2B5.6B$143.A6.2B5.
6B118.A.AB2.6B.9B$143.A.AB2.6B.9B117.2AB.B.17B$144.2AB.B.17B111.2A4.
24B$140.2A4.24B101.B5.B2AB2.27B$133.B5.B2AB2.27B99.2B5.3B2.28B$133.2B
5.3B2.28B98.3B3.B.B2.31B$133.3B3.B.B2.31B96.44B5.7B.B$133.44B5.7B.B
81.38B.4B5.13B.B$134.38B.4B5.13B.B76.34BD10BD21B$135.34BD10BD21B72.
29B2.2B2D10BD21BD$136.29B2.2B2D10BD21BD71.16B2A8B4.B2D11B2D18B3DB$
137.16B2A8B4.B2D11B2D18B3DB69.17B2A6B6.13B2D2B2A15BDBD$136.17B2A6B6.
13B2D2B2A15BDBD71.9B2D12B8.12BD3B2A15BD$35.2C100.9B2D12B8.12BD3B2A15B
D75.6BD2BD10B10.B2.19B3.2B2.2B12.C$34.C2.C101.6BD2BD10B10.B2.19B3.2B
2.2B12.C66.5B2D9B15.2B3.B2.10B21.C.C$35.2C104.5B2D9B15.2B3.B2.10B21.C
.C66.14B17.AB6.6B24.C.C$142.14B17.AB6.6B24.C.C67.12B17.A.A7.3B27.C64.
2C$143.12B17.A.A7.3B27.C67.12B18.2A8.B93.C2.C$142.11B19.2A8.B96.14B
26.2A94.2C$141.11B29.2A95.10B2.4B25.A$140.12B29.A95.4B3.B.2B3.4B25.A$
139.4B3.B.5B29.A93.4B3.3B6.4B23.2A$31.B106.4B3.3B2.4B27.2A92.4B4.B2AB
6.4B$30.3D104.4B4.B2AB2.4B119.4B6.2A8.4B$30.BDB103.4B6.2A4.4B117.4B
18.4B$29.2B3D101.4B14.4B115.4B20.4B111.B$29.5B100.4B16.4B113.4B22.4B
109.3D$29.6B98.4B18.4B111.4B24.4B108.BDB$29.6B97.4B20.4B109.4B26.4B
106.2B3D$29.5B97.4B22.4B92.2A13.4B28.4B105.5B$28.6B96.4B24.4B92.A12.
4B30.4B104.6B$29.6B94.4B26.4B90.A12.4B32.4B103.6B$28.7B78.2A13.4B28.
4B89.2A2.2A6.4B34.4B102.5B$28.6B80.A12.4B30.4B91.A.A5.4B36.4B100.6B$
28.6B79.A12.4B32.4B85.4A.A6.4B38.4B100.6B$28.6B79.2A2.2A6.4B34.4B84.A
2.A.2A4.4B40.4B98.7B$27.8B81.A.A5.4B36.4B86.5B2.4B42.4B97.6B$28.8B75.
4A.A6.4B38.4B86.9B44.4B96.6B$27.9B75.A2.A.2A4.4B40.4B85.8B46.4B95.6B$
27.9B78.5B2.4B42.4B83.8B48.4B93.8B$27.10B78.9B44.4B71.2A9.7B50.4B93.
8B$27.5B2A3B78.8B46.4B71.A10.6B4.2A45.4B91.9B$27.5B2A4B76.8B48.4B70.A
.AB7.6B4.A47.3B91.9B$27.11B65.2A9.7B50.4B70.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A34.2A12.2B
91.10B$27.4BD7BA.2A61.A10.6B4.2A45.4B71.14B.B2A10.2A24.A13.B91.5B2A3B
$29.B3D4B2.2A.A61.A.AB7.6B4.A47.3B71.16B13.A13.2A6.3A106.5B2A4B$29.D
2B2D2B69.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A34.2A12.2B72.15B13.A.AB9.B2A2B4.A108.11B$29.
6B72.14B.B2A10.2A24.A13.B71.16B14.2AB.3B6.4B.3B109.4BD7BA.2A$29.6B72.
16B13.A13.2A6.3A84.18B16.7B2.11B7.7B.B94.B3D4B2.2A.A$29.7B72.15B13.A.
AB9.B2A2B4.A84.19B17.22B.B3.13B.B88.D2B2D2B$27.8B72.16B14.2AB.3B6.4B.
3B85.2BA16B18.24BD21B83.6B$27.8B70.18B16.7B2.11B7.7B.B67.3BABA4B.9B
17.26BD21BD81.6B$26.9B.BA65.19B17.22B.B3.13B.B62.2B3A4B.10B14.28B2D
18B3DB80.7B$26.10BA.A64.2BA16B18.24BD21B56.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.30B2D2B
2A15BDBD79.8B$25.3B.7B.2A63.3BABA4B.9B17.26BD21BD53.22B.13BD26BD3B2A
15BD81.8B$24.10B69.2B3A4B.10B14.28B2D18B3DB51.4B6.27BDBD4B.30B3.2B2.
2B12.C69.9B.BA$24.6BD3B68.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.30B2D2B2A15BDBD51.4B7.16B
2A9B3D4B2.16B2.10B21.C.C68.10BA.A$23.6B3D3B66.22B.13BD26BD3B2A15BD53.
3B9.15B2A11BD4B2.7B.4B7.6B24.C.C67.3B.7B.2A$23.8BD2B66.4B6.27BDBD4B.
30B3.2B2.2B12.C41.2AB10.11B.20B4.6B2.2B9.3B27.C67.10B$23.10B66.4B7.
16B2A9B3D4B2.16B2.10B21.C.C41.A12.10B3.2B.3B.4B11.6B13.B97.6BD3B$22.
8B69.3B9.15B2A11BD4B2.7B.4B7.6B24.C.C38.3A14.7B11.4B13.3B14.2A96.6B3D
3B$22.8B68.2AB10.11B.20B4.6B2.2B9.3B27.C39.A16.7B10.4B12.7B12.A97.8BD
2B$21.10B68.A12.10B3.2B.3B.4B11.6B13.B87.5B10.B2AB13.2A.B.2A10.A.A97.
10B$21.10B65.3A14.7B11.4B13.3B14.2A88.3B10.3BA15.A3.A11.2A97.8B$19.
13B64.A16.7B10.4B12.7B12.A90.4B7.B3A13.3A5.3A107.8B$18.14B82.5B10.B2A
B13.2A.B.2A10.A.A89.2A.2A6.2BAB14.A9.A106.10B$18.15B82.3B10.3BA15.A3.
A11.2A89.ABABABA4.4B132.10B$14.2B.17B82.4B7.B3A13.3A5.3A97.3A.B.A.A2.
A135.13B$13.2A20B80.2A.2A6.2BAB14.A9.A96.A4.A.A.4A134.14B$13.2A20B79.
ABABABA4.4B122.2A.2A.2A139.15B$14.2B.2AB.15B76.3A.B.A.A2.A131.A3.3A
132.2B.17B$17.2AB2.15B74.A4.A.A.4A131.A.2A2.A131.2A20B$21.10B2A5B73.
2A.2A.2A137.A.A134.2A20B$21.10B2A5B77.A3.3A272.2B.2AB.15B$21.18B76.A.
2A2.A275.2AB2.15B$20.20B76.A.A282.10B2A5B$20.20B361.10B2A5B$21.B.18B
360.18B$22.12BC7B.B356.20B$23.10BCBC5B.B2A355.20B$21.12BCBC7B2A356.B.
18B$21.2A.10BC6B.2B358.12BC7B.B$22.A3.15B362.10BCBC5B.B2A$19.3A5.14B
360.12BCBC7B2A$19.A4.2B.10B.4B359.2A.10BC6B.2B$23.2A11B3.4B359.A3.15B
$23.2AB.8B5.4B355.3A5.14B$24.B.9B6.4B354.A4.2B.10B.4B$14.2A11.7B8.4B
357.2A11B3.4B$15.A11.7B9.4B356.2AB.8B5.4B$14.A12.4B.B11.4B356.B.9B6.
4B$14.2A2.2A6.4B15.4B345.2A11.7B8.4B$17.A.A5.4B17.3B346.A11.7B9.4B$
12.4A.A6.4B19.4B343.A12.4B.B11.4B$12.A2.A.2A4.4B21.4B342.2A2.2A6.4B
15.4B$15.5B2.4B20.7B344.A.A5.4B17.4B$16.9B19.10B227.2A109.4A.A6.4B19.
4B$16.8B19.12B84.2A139.B2AB108.A2.A.2A4.4B21.4B$15.8B21.13B81.B2AB
138.4B111.5B2.4B23.4B$4.2A9.7B22.14B80.4B139.2B113.9B25.4B$5.A10.6B4.
2A15.16B80.2B139.3B2A111.8B27.4B$5.A.AB7.6B4.A15.17B79.3B2A135.5B2A
110.8B29.4B$6.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A15.18B76.5B2A134.8B11.2A86.2A9.7B31.4B$
8.14B.B2A15.19B75.8B11.2A121.6B5.2B6.A88.A10.6B4.2A26.4B$8.16B17.20B
74.6B5.2B6.A120.9B.6B2.BA.A88.A.AB7.6B4.A28.4B$9.15B18.20B71.9B.6B2.B
A.A118.17B.B.B2A90.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A29.4B$8.16B16.21B70.17B.B.B2A116.
24B4.2A88.14B.B2A11.A19.4B$6.18B16.21B67.24B4.2A110.27B2.B2AB5.B81.
16B13.3A12.B.3B.4B$4.19B17.19B67.27B2.B2AB5.B102.28B2.3B5.2B82.15B16.
A10.13B$4.2BA16B18.17B67.28B2.3B5.2B100.31B2.B.B3.3B81.16B15.2A3.B5.
2B2A11BD$3.3BABA4B.9B17.18B65.31B2.B.B3.3B84.B.7B5.44B79.18B15.8B3.2B
2A9B3DB$4.2B3A4B.10B14.20B49.B.7B5.44B78.B.13B5.4B.38B78.19B18.8B.13B
DBD$3.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.22B44.B.13B5.4B.38B74.21BD10BD34B79.2BA16B18.
22BD$2.22B.13BD18B39.21BD10BD34B73.D21BD10B2D2B2.29B79.3BABA4B.9B17.
15B.2B2.2B12.C$.4B6.27BDBD14B39.D21BD10B2D2B2.29B73.B3D18B2D11B2DB4.
8B2A16B81.2B3A4B.10B14.17B18.C.C$4B7.16B2A9B3D13B39.B3D18B2D11B2DB4.
8B2A16B75.DBD15B2A2B2D13B6.6B2A17B79.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.19B19.C.C$3B9.
15B2A11BD13B40.DBD15B2A2B2D13B6.6B2A17B76.D15B2A3BD12B8.12B2C9B79.22B
.13BD15B20.C$2B10.11B.30B42.D15B2A3BD12B8.12B2C9B66.C12.2B2.2B3.19B2.
B10.10BC2BC6B80.4B6.27BDBD4B.7B$B12.10B3.2B.3B.4B4.13B31.C12.2B2.2B3.
19B2.B10.10BC2BC6B67.C.C21.10B2.B3.2B15.9B2C5B81.4B7.16B2A9B3D13B$14.
7B11.4B4.4B4.6B30.C.C21.10B2.B3.2B15.9B2C5B69.C.C24.6B6.BA17.14B82.3B
9.15B2A11BD14B$14.7B10.4B4.4B5.7B29.C.C24.6B6.BA17.14B71.C27.3B7.A.A
17.12B82.2AB10.11B.20B2.8B$15.5B10.B2AB4.4B6.6B31.C27.3B7.A.A17.12B
102.B8.2A18.12B82.A12.10B3.2B.3B.4B11.6B$16.3B10.3BA4.4B6.6B62.B8.2A
19.11B101.2A26.14B78.3A14.7B11.4B12.5B$17.4B7.B3A4.4B7.6B62.2A29.11B
101.A25.4B2.10B77.A16.7B10.4B14.4B$16.2A.2A6.2BAB4.4B7.8B62.A29.12B
99.A25.4B3.2B.B3.4B94.5B10.B2AB15.3B$15.ABABABA4.4B4.4B9.6B62.A29.5B.
B3.4B98.2A23.4B6.3B3.4B94.3B10.3BA17.4B$13.3A.B.A.A2.A22.7B61.2A27.4B
2.3B3.4B121.4B6.B2AB4.4B94.4B7.B3A20.2A$12.A4.A.A.4A20.14B84.4B2.B2AB
4.4B119.4B8.2A6.4B92.2A.2A6.2BAB21.A$12.2A.2A.2A23.B.2B2A11BD81.4B4.
2A6.4B117.4B18.4B90.ABABABA4.4B23.3A$16.A3.3A19.2A3B2A9B3DB2.2A75.4B
14.4B115.4B20.4B87.3A.B.A.A2.A30.A$16.A.2A2.A19.2A14BDBD3.2A74.4B16.
4B113.4B22.4B85.A4.A.A.4A$17.A.A23.15BD80.4B18.4B111.4B24.4B84.2A.2A.
2A$41.5B2.B2.2B2.2B81.4B20.4B109.4B26.4B87.A3.3A$41.2A4.3B87.4B22.4B
92.2A13.4B28.4B86.A.2A2.A$42.A3.B2AB86.4B24.4B92.A12.4B30.4B86.A.A$
39.3A5.2A86.4B26.4B90.A12.4B32.4B$39.A79.2A13.4B28.4B89.2A2.2A6.4B34.
4B$120.A12.4B30.4B91.A.A5.4B36.4B$119.A12.4B32.4B85.4A.A6.4B38.4B$
119.2A2.2A6.4B34.4B84.A2.A.2A4.4B40.4B$122.A.A5.4B36.4B86.5B2.4B42.4B
$117.4A.A6.4B38.4B86.9B44.4B$117.A2.A.2A4.4B40.4B85.8B46.4B$120.5B2.
4B42.4B83.8B48.4B$121.9B44.4B71.2A9.7B50.4B$121.8B46.4B71.A10.6B4.2A
45.4B$120.8B48.4B70.A.AB7.6B4.A47.3B$109.2A9.7B50.4B70.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.
A34.2A12.2B$110.A10.6B4.2A45.4B71.14B.B2A10.2A24.A13.B$110.A.AB7.6B4.
A47.3B71.16B13.A13.2A6.3A$111.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A34.2A12.2B72.15B13.A.AB
9.B2A2B4.A$113.14B.B2A10.2A24.A13.B71.16B14.2AB.3B6.4B.3B$113.16B13.A
13.2A6.3A84.18B16.7B2.11B7.7B.B$114.15B13.A.AB9.B2A2B4.A84.19B17.22B.
B3.13B.B$113.16B14.2AB.3B6.4B.3B85.2BA16B18.24BD21B$111.18B16.7B2.11B
7.7B.B67.3BABA4B.9B17.26BD21BD$109.19B17.22B.B3.13B.B62.2B3A4B.10B14.
28B2D18B3DB$109.2BA16B18.24BD21B56.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.30B2D2B2A15BDBD$
108.3BABA4B.9B17.26BD21BD53.22B.13BD26BD3B2A15BD$109.2B3A4B.10B14.28B
2D18B3DB51.4B6.27BDBD4B.30B3.2B2.2B12.C$108.5BA4B.11B.2B3.2B2.30B2D2B
2A15BDBD51.4B7.16B2A9B3D4B2.16B2.10B21.C.C$107.22B.13BD26BD3B2A15BD
53.3B9.15B2A11BD4B2.7B.4B7.6B24.C.C$106.4B6.27BDBD4B.30B3.2B2.2B12.C
41.2AB10.11B.20B4.6B2.2B9.3B27.C$105.4B7.16B2A9B3D4B2.16B2.10B21.C.C
41.A12.10B3.2B.3B.4B11.6B13.B$105.3B9.15B2A11BD4B2.7B.4B7.6B24.C.C38.
3A14.7B11.4B13.3B14.2A$104.2AB10.11B.20B4.6B2.2B9.3B27.C39.A16.7B10.
4B12.7B12.A$105.A12.10B3.2B.3B.4B11.6B13.B87.5B10.B2AB13.2A.B.2A10.A.
A$102.3A14.7B11.4B13.3B14.2A88.3B10.3BA15.A3.A11.2A$102.A16.7B10.4B
12.7B12.A90.4B7.B3A13.3A5.3A$120.5B10.B2AB13.2A.B.2A10.A.A89.2A.2A6.
2BAB14.A9.A$121.3B10.3BA15.A3.A11.2A89.ABABABA4.4B$122.4B7.B3A13.3A5.
3A97.3A.B.A.A2.A$121.2A.2A6.2BAB14.A9.A96.A4.A.A.4A$120.ABABABA4.4B
122.2A.2A.2A$118.3A.B.A.A2.A131.A3.3A$117.A4.A.A.4A131.A.2A2.A$117.2A
.2A.2A137.A.A$121.A3.3A$121.A.2A2.A$122.A.A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Hi all!
Here is my very pointless Herschel track. It is a F type with a lousy 368 tick recovery; however, it can be extended arbitrarily due to a conversion to 2 gliders halfway.
Well, It is clear that a syringe can emulate this track with nicer properties; however, I wonder if a there is better mean to recreate the initial block out there... Food for thoughts I guess.
Here is my very pointless Herschel track. It is a F type with a lousy 368 tick recovery; however, it can be extended arbitrarily due to a conversion to 2 gliders halfway.
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x = 82, y = 94, rule = LifeHistory
50.2A$49.A.A$43.2A4.A$41.A2.A2.2A.4A$41.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$44.A.ABABAB$44.
A.AB2A4B$45.AB.5B$48.4B$47.5B6.2A$46.3B2AB6.A$45.4B2AB3.BA.A$44.10B.B
2A$43.13B$42.14B$41.15B$40.4B2.8B$39.4B5.6B$38.4B4.9B$37.4B5.2A4.4B$
36.4B7.A5.4B$35.4B5.3A7.4B$34.4B6.A10.4B$33.4B19.4B$32.4B21.4B$31.4B
23.4B$30.4B25.4B$29.4B27.4B$28.4B29.4B$27.4B31.4B$26.4B13.A19.4B$25.
4B14.3A12.B.8B$24.4B18.A10.18B2.B$23.4B4.2A12.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD7B$14.5B
2.5B4.B2AB11.8B3.2B2A9B3D7B$11.B.16B.3B.B12.8B.13BDBD9B$10.2AB.16B.B
15.22BD11B$10.2A21B13.15B.2B2.2B.11BAB$11.2B.9B2C9B10.17B8.10BABA$14.
9B2C9B3.2B2.19B11.8BABA$13.31BD15B12.8BA$11.2AB.29BDBD4B.7B12.10B$10.
A.AB3.2B4.21B3D13B11.9B$10.A12.23BD14B10.8B$9.2A12.27B2.8B12.7B$22.
16B.4B11.6B$23.5B.13B12.5B$21.4B3.4B.8B14.4B$21.2A4.4B3.7B14.3B$22.A
3.4B5.7B14.4B$13.A5.3A3.4B5.9B15.2A$13.3A3.A4.4B5.11B14.A$16.A6.4B6.
3B2.7B14.3A$15.2A5.4B5.4B4.7B15.A$15.4B2.4B5.4B6.7B$17.2B.4B5.4B8.7B$
16.7B5.4B10.7B$16.6B5.4B12.7B8.2A$16.5B5.4B14.7B7.A$6.A7.8B3.4B16.10B
5.A$6.3A5.9B.4B17.6BC4B3.4A$9.A3.15B17.4B3C7B4.A$8.2A.17B.2B14.4BCBC
7B2A2.A$8.22B2A13.4BC8BAB.A.2A$10.18B.B2A14.12B.2A.A$9.20B.B18.12B.A$
8.B.18B23.9B2.A.2A$7.20B25.6B2.A.A.2A$7.20B23.B3.4B2.2A$8.18B23.2AB.
4B$7.11B2A5B24.2A3BA$6.12B2A5B25.B.BA.A$5.19B29.BA.A$5.18B33.A$5.17B
34.2A$4.18B$5.16B$4.16B$.AB.15B$A.A16B$.A2B.13B$2.B3.11B$10.7B$6.2B.
8B$5.2A3B2A5B$5.2A3B2A5B$6.B.9B$9.9B$11.3B.B2A.A$9.5B.B2AB3A$9.2A6.B
4.A$10.A5.2A.3A$7.3A5.A2.2A$7.A7.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
I like it, but it is very Rube Goldbergian. I take it you're familiar with the old G2/G5/G6 Herschel transceivers, and the new G4 ones?Jormungant wrote:Here is my very pointless Herschel track. It is a F type with a lousy 368 tick recovery; however, it can be extended arbitrarily due to a conversion to 2 gliders halfway.
...
Well, It is clear that a syringe can emulate this track with nicer properties; however, I wonder if a there is better mean[s] to recreate the initial block out there.
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x = 60, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
55.A$53.3A$36.A15.A$36.3A13.2A4.2A$39.A9.5B4.A$38.2A3.B4.4B3.BA.A$38.
8B.7B.B2A$40.16B$40.16B$39.17B$24.2B11.18B$24.3B3.2B2.20B$24.13BC15B$
24.13BCBC13B$24.13B3C13B$24.15BC12B$24.19B3.6B$24.7B.8B6.7B$24.B.B4.
8B9.5B$30.8B11.4B$29.8B11.B2A2B$28.8B13.2A$27.8B$6.B2AB16.8B$7.BA7.2A
7.8B$8.ABA4.B2AB5.8B3.2A$9.2A.B3.3B4.8B5.A$10.5B2.B4.8B5.A$11.9B.8B6.
2A$8.3B.16B8.B$8.19B9.3B$.B3.21B9.6B$2AB.22B.B3.B2.10B$2A43B3.2B2.2B$
.B.31BD3B2A15BD$4.7B2A21B2D2B2A15BDBD$5.B.4B2A9B2D11B2D18B3DB$9.14B2D
10BD21BD$8.A3.11BD10BD21B$6.3A5.12B2.3B5.13B.B$5.A8.13B3.3B3.7B.B$5.
2A9.5B.4B5.2A$16.B2A2B4.2B4.A$17.2A5.BA2B4.3A$24.A.A7.A$25.A!
#C [[ AUTOSTART PAUSE 2 ZOOM 7 STOP 262 ]]
Your new (?) HtoG4 is nice and compact, and definitely not interchangeable with other known HtoG4s because of the close glider spacing. You never know, an inspired Bellman search could perfectly well find a tighter way to rebuild a block in the right place, instead of just within (2,1) of the right place...! Or that glider pair could maybe manage a similar trick with some other transparent object.
Unfortunately tandem gliders seldom seem to turn out to be as useful as one might think they should be. Often you get stuck with "lefthanded" or "righthanded" receivers that aren't easily reversible, and then the circuitry ends up taking up a ridiculous amount of space.
 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
It's an HtoG3 and was found by simeks here.dvgrn wrote:Your new (?) HtoG4 is nice and compact, and definitely not interchangeable with other known HtoG4s because of the close glider spacing...
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
D'oh! Right there in the Elementary Conduits Collection, if only I had been looking in the right place. I guess that makes it even less likely to be interchangeable with known G4s, then...gmc_nxtman wrote:It's an HtoG3 and was found by simeks here.dvgrn wrote:Your new (?) HtoG4 is nice and compact, and definitely not interchangeable with other known HtoG4s because of the close glider spacing...

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Well, I did not come up with that one, someone suggested it to me for turning gliders, I suppose I was not clear about that bit. Since the 2 gliders are close, I though some new tracks could be devised from this pair, since collision with a block can generate nontrivial reactions (see below).Your new (?) HtoG4 is nice and compact, and definitely not interchangeable with other known HtoG4s because of the close glider spacing.
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37.D36.D38.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D$5.A.A7.D9.A.A.D43.D34.D24.D$D4.2A4.A.A6.D
4.2A31.D6.2C28.D52.D$6.A4.2A2.D10.A2.D32.D2.2C6.D34.D24.D4.2C$D11.A7.
D37.D3.3D30.D5.A3.2C31.2C8.D$15.D13.D33.D9.D27.2A2.2C.D24.D$D4.A14.D
4.A32.D4.A31.D4.A.A45.D$5.2A8.D9.2A2.D33.2A8.D23.D10.D24.D4.A$D3.A.A
13.D3.A.A31.D3.A.A30.D.3D38.2A3D5.D$15.D13.D43.D24.D9.D24.D3.A.A2.D$D
19.D37.D36.D2.2A40.3D5.D$15.D13.D43.D25.2A7.D24.D$D.2A16.D.2A34.D.2A
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D.D22.D.D.D.D.D.D.D40.D$133.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D9$226.2A$226.A$224.A.A$
224.2A4$212.2A$213.A$213.A.A$214.2A$226.2C$220.A5.2C$220.2A$219.A.A4$
217.2A$218.2A$217.A3$51.2C41.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D$52.C4.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D$
52.C.C.D37.D.A13.D$53.2C16.D24.3A$56.D6.2C29.D4.A10.D$60.D2.2C6.D26.
2A$56.D3.3D31.D15.D$61.D9.D60.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D$56.D4.A32.D15.D20.D$61.
2A8.D29.A3.2C39.D$56.D3.A.A31.D6.2A2.2C3.D20.D4.2C$65.3D3.D28.A.A33.
2C8.D$56.D10.D26.D15.D20.D$65.3D3.D74.D$56.D.2A34.D15.D20.D4.A$59.2A
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56.D37.D11.2D2.D20.D13.2A$71.D35.2D36.ADA$56.D37.D11.2D2.D20.D.2A12.A
$71.D34.D27.2A3.2A5.D2A$56.D37.D15.D20.D.A5.2A$71.D23.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D
36.D$56.D74.D.D.D.D.D.D.D.D$60.3D8.D$56.D3.D$59.3D9.D$56.D$71.D$56.D.
D.D.D.D.D.D.D!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Hi!
Again, nothing new here, but it seems there is a family of htog9 that can be made from known tracks. Just pointing it out...
Again, nothing new here, but it seems there is a family of htog9 that can be made from known tracks. Just pointing it out...
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77.2B$51.4B21.4B$52.4B20.4B$53.4B18.6B2.B$54.4B17.2B2A2B.B2A$55.4B12.
B.3BA2BA3B2A$56.4B.3B.2B3.7B2A2B.2B$57.5BD18B$57.4B2D17B$57.3B2D18B$
57.4BD18B$55.2A.4BD18B$55.A4.4B.B2.13B.B$53.A.A5.AB5.12B.B2A$53.2A5.A
.A.A3.9BD4B2A$58.3A.2A.A3.7B3DB.2B$26.2B29.A7.A3.6B2D2BD$4B21.4B28.2A
6.2A3.10B$.4B20.4B45.7B$2.4B18.6B2.B40.8B$3.4B17.2B2A2B.B2A40.6B$4.4B
12.B.3BA2BA3B2A41.5B$5.4B.3B.2B3.7B2A2B.2B42.8B16.2B$6.5BD18B43.12B
13.4B$6.4B2D17B45.11B13.4B$6.3B2D18B44.12B12.6B2.B$6.4BD18B45.11B12.
2B2A2B.B2A$4.2A.4BD18B43.12B8.B.3BA2BA3B2A$4.A4.4B.B2.13B.B41.13B.2B
3.7B2A2B.2B$2.A.A5.AB5.12B.B2A38.13BD18B$2.2A5.A.A.A3.9BD4B2A37.3BA9B
2D17B$7.3A.2A.A3.7B3DB.2B38.2BABA7B2D18B$6.A7.A3.6B2D2BD41.2BABA8BD
18B$6.2A6.2A3.10B41.3BA10BD18B$23.7B41.5B3.2B.B7.13B.B$22.8B43.B7.3B
6.12B.B2A$23.8B41.3B5.B2AB6.9BD4B2A$23.8B40.B2AB6.2A8.7B3DB.2B$20.AB.
9B40.2A17.6B2D2BD$19.A.A11B59.10B$19.2A.11B63.7B$23.11B61.8B$13.2A8.
4BD6B62.8B$14.A8.3B3D5B62.8B$14.A.AB5.3BD7B59.AB.9B$15.2AB.3B.10B59.A
.A11B$17.17B58.2A.11B$17.17B62.11B$18.16B52.2A8.4BD6B$17.19B51.A8.3B
3D5B$15.21B51.A.AB5.3BD7B$13.22B2A51.2AB.3B.10B$13.2BC17B.B2A53.17B$
12.3BCBC4B.9B3.B54.17B$13.2B3C4B2.6B61.16B$12.5BC4B2.6B.2B57.19B$11.
10B4.7B2A54.21B$10.4B10.6B.B2A52.22B2A$10.3B12.6B.B53.2BC17B.B2A$8.4B
13.6B54.3BCBC4B.9B3.B$8.2A15.5B56.2B3C4B2.6B$9.A15.4B56.5BC4B2.6B.2B$
6.3A14.5B56.10B4.7B2A$6.A16.2A58.4B10.6B.B2A$24.A58.3B12.6B.B$21.3A
57.4B13.6B$21.A59.2A15.5B$82.A15.4B$79.3A14.5B$79.A16.2A$97.A$94.3A$
94.A!
 BlinkerSpawn
 Posts: 1950
 Joined: November 8th, 2014, 8:48 pm
 Location: Getting a snacker from RBee's
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
I don't know about the HtoG9 but I know that the delaying capability of the BtoB (only by multiples of four ticks iirc) were mentioned in an older post.Jormungant wrote:Hi!
Again, nothing new here, but it seems there is a family of htog9 that can be made from known tracks. Just pointing it out...
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
B to G:
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13.2A$13.2A5$11.A.2A$11.3A$12.A11$2A$2A3$7.2A$7.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
B after 64 generations:
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9.2A$8.B2AB$8.5B$7.6B$6.7B$6.6B.A$7.6B2A$7.5BABA$6.8B$6.7B$6.6B$5.7B$
5.7B$.2A.8B$B2A9B$12B$12B$3B2A6B$.BA5B$.2B2A4B$2.8B$2.7BA$3.6B2A$.3A
6B2A$.A3B2A2B2A$.A8B$2.A3BAB$3.2ABA!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Yes. That's the basis of one of the earliest known Herschel conduits, the R64.wwei23 wrote:B after 64 generations...
 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
That is technically a BtoH plus an HtoG, that is known and in the Elementary Conduit Collection:
EDIT: It is also in the HtoG converter collection that is likely due for an update anyway:
EDIT: It is also in the HtoG converter collection that is likely due for an update anyway:
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x = 47, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
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$D.D.D.D3.D5.D3.D5.D5.D7.D.D2.2D$D2.2D.D.D.D3.2D4.D5.D5.D6.D2.D.D.D$D
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D.D3.D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D2.5D2.3D5$23.4B$24.4B$25.4B$26.4B$27.4B$27.4B$
27.5B$26.9B$26.9B$26.9B$25.10B$24.12B$14.2A8.13B$15.A9.11B$15.A.AB4.
12B$16.2AB.15B$18.17B$18.17B$19.17B.B$18.19B2A$16.19B.B2A$14.19B4.B$
14.2BC16B$13.3BCBC4B.9B$14.2B3C4B2.7B$13.5BC4B2.7B$12.10B4.6B$11.4B
10.7B$11.3B12.6B$9.4B13.7B$9.2A15.6B$10.A15.5B$7.3A15.6B$7.A17.4B$25.
2B2AB$27.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
It's the result of me trying to use the blockeatingbeehive reaction. I got close before, but couldn't remove DIEHARD!!!
 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
In the Elementary Conduit Collection, the standard orientation for a Bheptomino is the following:
which makes this a right turn:
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C$.C$.2C$2C$C!
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18.2A$17.B2A2B3.2A$18.4B2.B2AB$14.B.6B3.2B$12.10B2.2B$12.11B2A2B$11.
12B2A3B.B$11.18B2A$12.15B.B2A$11.15B3.B$9.17B$7.18B$.C5.2BD15B$2.C3.
3BDBD4B.7B$2.2C3.2B3D4B2.B2D2BD$.2C3.5BD4B2.2B3D2B$.C3.10B4.2BD3B$4.
4B10.6B$4.3B12.5B$2.4B13.6B$2.2A15.6B$3.A15.5B$3A16.2B3D$A19.BDB$20.
3D$21.B!
 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
It is a Bheptomino relative, and is used in the conduit collection.
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
I know☺ What makes the R64(Or L64, relative to the input B) special is that the output B is a true B.
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
With some apologies for the maybe unnecessary heavyhanded moderation  I've moved a couple of the most recent posts to a thread in the Sandbox.wwei23 wrote:I know☺ What makes the R64(Or L64, relative to the input B) special is that the output B is a true B.
They're about very well known technology (NW31, various boatbit reactions, etc.) Definitely neither "new" nor particularly "Herschel". At 36 pages, this thread already seems cluttered enough. It's true that there are plenty of other offtopic items in this thread here and there, but these new posts really seemed to be taking irrelevance to a new level.
@wwei23, I've also sent you a private message about this  see the "User Control Panel" link.
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Generation 28 of R, how to add eaters to do R to B?
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
This is more of a "basic question" than a contribution for this thread. See the Elementary Conduits Collection:wwei23 wrote:Generation 28 of R, how to add eaters to do R to B?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
Rto2G.
Doesn't connect to anything, since new conduits don't really do that anymore. The important bit here is that catalyst; it has potential.
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x = 32, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
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A.A$A20.A$2A6$30.2A$30.A$28.A.A$28.2A2$10.2C$11.2C$11.C!
Tanner Jacobi
Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits
I found that a monomino can be converted into a B relative.