The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
What time is it?
Update time!
9 conduits added from this thread since 13 AprilI haven't checked the rest of the forum. If there are other conduits worthy of inclusion, or errata in this update, please notify me.
Update time!
9 conduits added from this thread since 13 AprilI haven't checked the rest of the forum. If there are other conduits worthy of inclusion, or errata in this update, please notify me.
"What's purple and commutes?
The Evanston Express."
The Evanston Express."
 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
You missed Simeks' RF48H variant:
It does provide an advantage over other R>Hs because it is the only conduit that can connect to BFx176R.
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x = 32, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
16.2A$12.2A2.A$12.A.A.A$13.B.A4.A$8.6B4.3A$7.8B2.A$7.7B3.2A$7.7B2.3B$
6.11B4.2B2.2B$5.4BC18BD$4.5B2C17BDBD$4.4B2C18B3DB$3.27BD$4.25B$4.18B.
B$4.15B$4.16B9.2A$3.17B5.A3.2A$3.16B5.A.A$4.13B6.A.A$4.8B.2B8.A$6.5B
3.AB6.2A$6.5B2.A.A$4.6B3.2A$4.4B$4.2B2AB$2.2AB.2A$.A.AB$.A$2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Thanks, @gmc_nxtman!
Here's an updated version, also with three more conduits.
The former "RF48He" that was unusual was relocated and renamed "RF48Hf". The @simeks variant is now "RF48He".
Here's an updated version, also with three more conduits.
The former "RF48He" that was unusual was relocated and renamed "RF48Hf". The @simeks variant is now "RF48He".
"What's purple and commutes?
The Evanston Express."
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 gmc_nxtman
 Posts: 1149
 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Also these B>Gs from simeks. The last one is a little bit weird. He had an HtoB and BtoW in that post as well but I don't think they can connect to anything.
By the way, BR24B, HF110B, HB56B, HL153B, HF144B_adjustable, PB(x)137B, BF137H, all use the wrong Bheptomino relative:
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x = 26, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B10.A$9.4B8.A.A$10.4B7.A.A$11.4B
5.2A.2A$12.4B5.B2.A$13.4B2.B2ABA$14.4B.B2A.A.A$15.5B4.2A$15.6B$15.6B$
12.10B$11.2A10B$11.2A9B$12.11B$12.11B$14.9B$4.7B.10B$4.19B$2.D20B$2.B
D18B$.2B2D17B$2B2D2B2A13B2A$2BD3B2A13B2A$2.18B$2.10B2.5B$3.6B5.7B$4.
3B8.B3.2A$4.B14.A$3.2A15.3A$3.A18.A$4.A$3.2A!
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x = 30, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
10.2C$11.C6.C$10.C5.3C$10.2C3.C$6.2C7.2C$6.2C4$7.E7.D12.2C$8.E6.D.D
10.2C$8.2E5.3D6.C$7.2E8.D5.C.C$7.E14.C2.C$23.2C4$8.3D$8.D$7.3D3$14.D$
13.2D$12.2D$13.2D$2.2C$.C.C$.C$2C16.C$17.C.C$17.2C!
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x = 19, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
16.D$2D15.D$.2D14.2D$2D14.2D$D15.D!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Looks great! After things settle down and don't change for a week or two, I'll update the files in the first post in this thread, and add a list there of all the conduit names. The August 5 collection is up to 408 conduits, I believe:
Golly #CXRLE lines had crept into a few of the files 
 so I cleaned those up and rebuilt the ZIP archive, which still had an August 2 folder hiding inside it anyway.
I'd better post this quick so it can be a useful starting point for the next update.
Some of the gliderrelated labels have mutated beyond my ability to interpret them. I think I understand the negative numbers in "G19G17FxR" and so on, though those lane numbers are relative to the output Rpentomino, where other glider lane numbers are for output gliders, relative to the input object.
I think I might rather just have "G2" as the input object in this name  i.e., "G2FxR". Seems more readable, and the "G19G17" isn't really quite enough information to do anything useful with  it wouldn't tell an automated circuitbuilder script which glider has to come in first, or what relative timings are allowed. It's hard to define orientation relative to tandem gliders, though  if it's an Fx then why not have the output R heading to the right? And offhand I can't figure out why the numbers aren't "G18G16", so maybe I'm interpreting them wrong. (?)
Another random question: where does the "o" come from in GNEo_Snark?
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BB309B (in b_b_90.rle)
BBx187H (in b_h_04.rle)
BBx19R (in b_r_02.rle)
BBx251H (in b_h_09.rle)
BF137H (in b_h_91.rle)
BF187Ha (in b_h_05a.rle)
BF187Hb (in b_h_05b.rle)
BF20Ha (in b_h_07a.rle)
BF20Hb (in b_h_07b.rle)
BF221P (in b_p_03.rle)
BF22P (in b_p_01.rle)
BFx157B (in b_b_01.rle)
BFx176R (in b_r_03.rle)
BFx183R (in b_r_90.rle)
BFx199B (in b_b_05.rle)
BFx59H (in b_h_01.rle)
BLx19R (in b_r_01.rle)
BLx291H (in b_h_10.rle)
BNE14T30 (in b_g_14.rle)
BNE17T68 (in b_g_06.rle)
BNE5T66 (in b_g_04.rle)
BNW11T124 (in b_g_16.rle)
BNW12T9_SE22T31 (in b_g_02.rle)
BNW4T72 (in b_g_07.rle)
BNW39T172 (in b_g_10.rle)
BNW5T30 (in b_g_08.rle)
BR146H (in b_h_02.rle)
BR241P (in b_p_02.rle)
BR24B (in b_b_07.rle)
BR292H (in b_h_08.rle)
BR84H (in b_h_03.rle)
BRx161B (in b_b_02a.rle)
BRx161B_Lx303H (in b_b_02b.rle)
BRx161B_Lx303H (in b_h_06.rle)
BRx204B (in b_b_06.rle)
BRx46B (in b_b_04.rle)
BSE15T2 (in b_g_11.rle)
BSE1T1 (in b_g_15.rle)
BSE22T31 (in b_g_03.rle)
BSE48T33 (in b_g_05.rle)
BSE8T22 (in b_g_01.rle)
BSW5T37 (in b_g_09.rle)
BSW1T250_BSE15T2 (in b_g_12.rle)
BSW6T73 (in b_g_13.rle)
BSW6T73_SW10T285 (in b_g4_01.rle)
CB148P (in c_p_01.rle)
CBx37C (in c_c_02.rle)
CF106C (in c_c_03.rle)
CF85B (in c_b_02.rle)
CFx50C (in c_c_01.rle)
CFx53B (in c_b_01.rle)
CFx73H (in c_h_01.rle)
CL26R (in c_r_01.rle)
CNE1T9 (in c_g_05.rle)
CNE0T0 (in c_g_04.rle)
CNW12T13 (in c_g_08.rle)
CNW1T27a (in c_g_02a.rle)
CNW1T27b (in c_g_02b.rle)
CNW10T73a (in c_g_01a.rle)
CNW10T73b (in c_g_01b.rle)
CRx28B (in c_b_03.rle)
CSE12T35 (in c_g_03.rle)
CSW4T34 (in c_g_07.rle)
CSW7T74 (in c_g_06.rle)
G10G1LR (in g11_r_01.rle)
G15FHa_syringe (in g_h_01b.rle)
G15FHb_syringe_depend (in g_h_01a.rle)
G19G17FxR (in g2_r_01.rle)
G22G17FxR (in g5_r_01.rle)
G23G17FxRa (in g6_r_01a.rle)
G23G17FxRb (in g6_r_01b.rle)
G29RH_SilverGtoH497rep (in g_h_03.rle)
G2RH_SilverGtoH575rep (in g_h_02.rle)
G30G17FxR (in g13_r_01.rle)
G35G30LxH (in g5_h_02.rle)
G9G5LxR (in g4_r_01.rle)
G17G19RR (in g2_r_02.rle)
G25G31BH (in g6_h_01.rle)
G26G31BH (in g5_h_01.rle)
G29G31BH (in g2_h_01.rle)
GG0NEe_SemiSnark (in g0_g_01.rle)
GG13SE9 (in g13_g_01.rle)
GG18SWo_SE10a (in g18_g_01a.rle)
GG18SWo_SE10b (in g18_g_01b.rle)
GG2NW8 (in g2_g_03.rle)
GG2NW10 (in g2_g_04.rle)
GG2SE2 (in g2_g_01.rle)
GG2SE6 (in g2_g_02.rle)
GG2SWoG3 (in g2_g3_01.rle)
GG3SWeG3 (in g3_g3_01.rle)
GG4SWea (in g4_g_01.rle)
GG4SWeb (in g4_g_02.rle)
GG4SWoG3 (in g4_g3_01.rle)
GG5SE1 (in g5_g_02.rle)
GG5SWo (in g5_g_01.rle)
GG6SE2a (in g6_g_01.rle)
GG6SE2b (in g6_g_02.rle)
GNEe_SWo_NW54_Silver_reflector (in g_g_03.rle)
GNEo_Snark (in g_g_01.rle)
GNW8a_rectifier (in g_g_02a.rle)
GNW8b_boojum_reflector (in g_g_02b.rle)
HB119B (in h_b_90.rle)
HB56B (in h_b_18.rle)
HB60H (in h_h_05.rle)
HB62B (in h_b_26.rle)
HB62P (in h_p_05.rle)
HB91R (in h_r_05.rle)
HBx106H_Fx119H (in h_h_16.rle)
HBx125H (in h_h_10.rle)
HBx138B (in h_b_16.rle)
HBx362H (in h_h_96.rle)
HF104C (in h_c_03.rle)
HF110B (in h_b_17.rle)
HF116Ha (in h_h_01a.rle)
HF116Hb (in h_h_01b.rle)
HF122B (in h_b_14.rle)
HF124R (in h_r_06.rle)
HF134P (in h_p_07.rle)
HF135Q (in h_q_01.rle)
HF144B_adjustable (in h_b_91.rle)
HF150H (in h_h_14.rle)
HF157R (in h_r_04.rle)
HF171H (in h_h_02.rle)
HF198W (in h_w_04.rle)
HF214B (in h_b_25.rle)
HF244H (in h_h_95.rle)
HF271H (in h_h_94.rle)
HF2P (in h_p_02.rle)
HF94B (in h_b_03.rle)
HF95P (in h_p_01.rle)
HFx107B (in h_b_02.rle)
HFx119H (in h_h_04.rle)
HFx135W (in h_w_03.rle)
HFx158H (in h_h_09.rle)
HFx197B (in h_b_12.rle)
HFx236B (in h_b_27.rle)
HFx58Ba (in h_b_01a.rle)
HFx58Bb (in h_b_01b.rle)
HFx77Ha (in h_h_03a.rle)
HFx77Hb (in h_h_03b.rle)
HL141B (in h_b_06.rle)
HL153B (in h_b_20.rle)
HL156R (in h_r_11.rle)
HL163W (in h_w_02.rle)
HL166W (in h_w_01.rle)
HL167P (in h_p_04.rle)
HL226B (in h_b_21.rle)
HL227P (in h_p_06.rle)
HL75P (in h_p_03.rle)
HL79B (in h_b_07.rle)
HL83R (in h_r_09.rle)
HL98B (in h_b_19.rle)
HLx103B (in h_b_22.rle)
HLx111R (in h_r_03.rle)
HLx185B (in h_b_24.rle)
HLx226H (in h_h_92.rle)
HLx231H (in h_h_93.rle)
HLx30R (in h_r_10.rle)
HLx36W (in h_w_05.rle)
HLx53B (in h_b_05.rle)
HLx59B (in h_b_15.rle)
HLx69R (in h_r_01.rle)
HLx86H (in h_h_13.rle)
HLx86R (in h_r_02.rle)
HNE14T138 (in h_g_92.rle)
HNE16T14a (in h_g_18a.rle)
HNE16T14b (in h_g_18b.rle)
HNE18T32 (in h_g_16.rle)
HNE1T22 (in h_g_42.rle)
HNE23T140 (in h_g_17.rle)
HNE2T56 (in h_g_36.rle)
HNE36T22 (in h_g_15.rle)
HNE5T4 (in h_g_27.rle)
HNE8T3 (in h_g_19.rle)
HNW5T80 (in h_g_29.rle)
HNW16T108 (in h_g_11.rle)
HNW16T96 (in h_g_32.rle)
HNW17T130 (in h_g_10.rle)
HNW18T106 (in h_g_07.rle)
HNW19T102 (in h_g_05.rle)
HNW19T102_NW21T247 (in h_g2_92.rle)
HNW22T200 (in h_g_13.rle)
HNW24T386_NW31T120 (in h_g7_01.rle)
HNW25T126_NW31T120 (in h_g6_03.rle)
HNW26T109 (in h_g_37.rle)
HNW2T132 (in h_g_12.rle)
HNW30T138 (in h_g_09.rle)
HNW31T120 (in h_g_06.rle)
HNW31T207_NW35T419 (in h_g4_90.rle)
HNW34T204 (in h_g_90.rle)
HNW39T203 (in h_g_91.rle)
HNW6T106 (in h_g_31.rle)
HNW8T186 (in h_g_08.rle)
HR107R (in h_r_08.rle)
HR117B (in h_b_11.rle)
HR126H (in h_h_07.rle)
HR143B (in h_b_10.rle)
HR149R (in h_r_12.rle)
HR160C (in h_c_02.rle)
HR197H (in h_h_15.rle)
HR203B (in h_b_08.rle)
HR246H (in h_h_98.rle)
HR321H (in h_h_97.rle)
HR43C (in h_c_04.rle)
HR44Ba (in h_b_09a.rle)
HR44Bb (in h_b_09b.rle)
HR44Bc (in h_b_09c.rle)
HR48B (in h_b_23.rle)
HR64H (in h_h_06.rle)
HRx131B (in h_b_04.rle)
HRx140H (in h_h_08.rle)
HRx160C (in h_c_01.rle)
HRx162H (in h_h_11.rle)
HRx191H (in h_h_12.rle)
HRx32B (in h_b_13.rle)
HRx334R (in h_r_07.rle)
HS15T152M (in h_m_01.rle)
HSE17T106 (in h_g_38.rle)
HSE2T47 (in h_g_14.rle)
HSE2T80 (in h_g_21.rle)
HSE16T100 (in h_g_34.rle)
HSE16T36 (in h_g_93.rle)
HSE19T106 (in h_g_41.rle)
HSE19T42 (in h_g_94.rle)
HSE21T4 (in h_g_40.rle)
HSE22T8 (in h_g_20.rle)
HSE22T8_SE29T2 (in h_g7_03.rle)
HSE23T6 (in h_g_28.rle)
HSE29T12 (in h_g_35.rle)
HSE30T14 (in h_g_39.rle)
HSE31T60 (in h_g_23.rle)
HSE39T59 (in h_g_25.rle)
HSE39T59_SE41T149 (in h_g2_93.rle)
HSE5T12 (in h_g_30.rle)
HSE5T227 (in h_g_22.rle)
HSE5T23 (in h_g_24.rle)
HSE7T14_SE16T36_NW31T120 (in h_g9_02.rle)
HSE7T14a (in h_g_26a.rle)
HSE7T14b (in h_g_26b.rle)
HSW10T202_SW2T21 (in h_g8_01.rle)
HSW1T110_SW2T21 (in h_g1_01.rle)
HSW1T177_SW2T21 (in h_g1_02.rle)
HSW2T140_SW2T21 (in h_g0_02.rle)
HSW2T145_SW2T21 (in h_g0_01.rle)
HSW2T21_SW4T104 (in h_g2_04.rle)
HSW2T21a (in h_g_01a.rle)
HSW2T21b (in h_g_01b.rle)
HSW2T345_SW2T21_NW38T161 (in h_g0_03.rle)
HSW4T237_SW2T21 (in h_g2_02.rle)
HSW7T38_SW2T21 (in h_g5_01.rle)
HSW8T89_SW2T21 (in h_g6_02.rle)
HSW0T230_SW2T21 (in h_g2_01.rle)
HSW0T320_SW2T21 (in h_g2_03.rle)
HSW10T108 (in h_g_02.rle)
HSW10T108_SW19T319 (in h_g9_03.rle)
HSW10T97 (in h_g_03.rle)
HSW1T118_SW2T21 (in h_g3_01.rle)
HSW1T43_SW2T21 (in h_g3_02.rle)
HSW25T179 (in h_g_04.rle)
HSW2T98_SW2T21 (in h_g4_01.rle)
HSW3T188_SW2T21 (in h_g5_02.rle)
HSW4T188_SW2T21 (in h_g6_01.rle)
HSW4T44 (in h_g_33.rle)
HSW5T160_SW2T21_SE22T8 (in h_g7_02.rle)
HSW6T167_SW2T21_NW31T120 (in h_g8_02.rle)
HSW7T255_SW2T21 (in h_g9_01.rle)
HSW8T86 (in h_g_43.rle)
LNEe_FomichevLtoG (in l_g_01.rle)
MNEe_FomichevMtoG (in m_g_02.rle)
MNWe_MerzenichMtoG (in m_g_01.rle)
PB146C (in p_c_03B.rle)
PB173B (in p_b_06B.rle)
PB30R (in p_r_06Bx.rle)
PB41R (in p_r_07B.rle)
PB68B (in p_b_02B.rle)
PB90B (in p_b_04B.rle)
PBx146C (in p_c_03Bx.rle)
PBx173B (in p_b_06Bx.rle)
PBx30R (in p_r_06B.rle)
PBx41R (in p_r_07Bx.rle)
PBx68B (in p_b_02Bx.rle)
PBx90B (in p_b_04Bx.rle)
PF140R (in p_r_02F.rle)
PF171H (in p_h_01F.rle)
PF291R (in p_r_04F.rle)
PF31Qa (in p_q_01a.rle)
PF31Qb (in p_q_01b.rle)
PF35W (in p_w_01F.rle)
PF39C (in p_c_04F.rle)
PF40B (in p_b_05F.rle)
PF56W (in p_w_02F.rle)
PF81Ha (in p_h_02aF.rle)
PF81Hb (in p_h_02bF.rle)
PF81Hc (in p_h_02cF.rle)
PF81Hd (in p_h_02dF.rle)
PF99H (in p_h_90F.rle)
PFx140R (in p_r_02Fx.rle)
PFx171H (in p_h_01Fx.rle)
PFx291R (in p_r_04Fx.rle)
PFx35W (in p_w_01Fx.rle)
PFx39C (in p_c_04Fx.rle)
PFx40B (in p_b_05Fx.rle)
PFx56W (in p_w_02Fx.rle)
PFx81Ha (in p_h_02aFx.rle)
PFx81Hb (in p_h_02bFx.rle)
PFx81Hc (in p_h_02cFx.rle)
PFx81Hd (in p_h_02dFx.rle)
PFx99H (in p_h_90Fx.rle)
PL124R (in p_r_03L.rle)
PL153R (in p_r_05L.rle)
PL328C (in p_c_01L.rle)
PL8P (in p_p_01L.rle)
PLx112B (in p_b_03Lx.rle)
PLx127R (in p_r_01Lx.rle)
PLx142C_R142C (in p_c_02.rle)
PLx196H (in p_h_91Lx.rle)
PLx9B (in p_b_01Lx.rle)
PNE6T40_SE6T40 (in p_g_11.rle)
PNE19T123 (in p_g_13.rle)
PNE8T63 (in p_g_15.rle)
PNE9T138 (in p_g_02.rle)
PNW16T5 (in p_g_16.rle)
PNW3T177 (in p_g_06.rle)
PNW8T28 (in p_g_14.rle)
PNW11T160 (in p_g_04.rle)
PNW6T138 (in p_g_01.rle)
PNW6T184 (in p_g_05.rle)
PNW7T126 (in p_g_07.rle)
PR112B (in p_b_03.rle)
PR127R (in p_r_01R.rle)
PR196H (in p_h_91R.rle)
PR8P (in p_p_01R.rle)
PR9B (in p_b_01R.rle)
PRx124R (in p_r_03Rx.rle)
PRx153R (in p_r_05Rx.rle)
PRx328C (in p_c_01Rx.rle)
PS12T565L (in p_l_01.rle)
PSE14T66 (in p_g_12.rle)
PSE20T111 (in p_g_08.rle)
PSE24T144 (in p_g_03.rle)
PSE34T59 (in p_g_09.rle)
PSE3T5 (in p_g_10.rle)
QF116B (in q_b_01F.rle)
QF138W (in q_w_01F.rle)
QF157W (in q_w_02F.rle)
QFx116B (in q_b_01Fx.rle)
QFx138W (in q_w_01Fx.rle)
QFx157W (in q_w_02Fx.rle)
QL226H (in q_h_02L.rle)
QLx149B (in q_b_02Lx.rle)
QLx232Ha (in q_h_01aLx.rle)
QLx232Hb (in q_h_01bLx.rle)
QNE6T144 (in q_g_01.rle)
QNE8T54 (in q_g_03.rle)
QNE9T144 (in q_g_04.rle)
QNW10T57 (in q_g_02.rle)
QR149B (in q_b_02R.rle)
QR232Ha (in q_h_01aR.rle)
QR232Hb (in q_h_01bR.rle)
QRx226H (in q_h_02Rx.rle)
RB57P (in r_p_02.rle)
RBx22B (in r_b_02.rle)
RF28Ba (in r_b_01a.rle)
RF28Bb (in r_b_01b.rle)
RF28Bc (in r_b_01c.rle)
RF28Bd (in r_b_01d.rle)
RF28Be (in r_b_01e.rle)
RF28Bf (in r_b_01f.rle)
RF28Bg (in r_b_01g.rle)
RF28Bh (in r_b_01h.rle)
RF28Bi (in r_b_01i.rle)
RF29Pa (in r_p_01a.rle)
RF29Pb (in r_p_01b.rle)
RF48H_B164R (in r_h_02.rle)
RF48H_B164R (in r_r_02.rle)
RF48Ha (in r_h_01a.rle)
RF48Hb (in r_h_01b.rle)
RF48Hc (in r_h_01c.rle)
RF48Hd (in r_h_01d.rle)
RF48He (in r_h_01e.rle)
RF48Hf (in r_h_01f.rle)
RF57Ra (in r_r_01a.rle)
RF57Rb (in r_r_01b.rle)
RFx36R (in r_r_03.rle)
RLx20C (in r_c_01.rle)
RLx70B (in r_b_03.rle)
RNE19T84 (in r_g_02.rle)
RNE2T28 (in r_g_10.rle)
RNE6T46 (in r_g_90.rle)
RNW16T104 (in r_g_06.rle)
RNW1T43 (in r_g_13.rle)
RNW3T46 (in r_g_03.rle)
RR112H (in r_h_05.rle)
RR174H (in r_h_04.rle)
RR56Ha (in r_h_03a.rle)
RR56Hb (in r_h_03b.rle)
RR56Hc (in r_h_03c.rle)
RSE3T41 (in r_g_12.rle)
RSE3T46 (in r_g_11.rle)
RSW1T33 (in r_g_09.rle)
RSW0T41 (in r_g_01.rle)
RSW3T42 (in r_g_07.rle)
RSW3T62 (in r_g_05.rle)
RSW4T37 (in r_g_08.rle)
RSW5T38 (in r_g_04.rle)
WFx46H (in w_h_01.rle)
WNW18T15 (in w_g_02.rle)
WNW3T100 (in w_g_01.rle)
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b_h_05a.rle: BF187Ha
b_h_05b.rle: BF187Hb
b_r_90.rle: BFx183R
c_r_01.rle: CL26R
g_g_02b.rle: GNW8b_boojum_reflector
h_c_03.rle: HF104C
h_g0_02.rle: HSW2T140_SW2T21
h_g_16.rle: HNE18T32
h_g_34.rle: HSE16T100
h_g_35.rle: HSE29T12
h_g_36.rle: HNE2T56
p_q_01a.rle: PF31Qa
q_h_02L.rle: QL226H
q_h_02Rx.rle: QRx226H
r_g_02.rle: RNE19T84
I'd better post this quick so it can be a useful starting point for the next update.
Some of the gliderrelated labels have mutated beyond my ability to interpret them. I think I understand the negative numbers in "G19G17FxR" and so on, though those lane numbers are relative to the output Rpentomino, where other glider lane numbers are for output gliders, relative to the input object.
I think I might rather just have "G2" as the input object in this name  i.e., "G2FxR". Seems more readable, and the "G19G17" isn't really quite enough information to do anything useful with  it wouldn't tell an automated circuitbuilder script which glider has to come in first, or what relative timings are allowed. It's hard to define orientation relative to tandem gliders, though  if it's an Fx then why not have the output R heading to the right? And offhand I can't figure out why the numbers aren't "G18G16", so maybe I'm interpreting them wrong. (?)
Another random question: where does the "o" come from in GNEo_Snark?
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Ahh, thanks. I was too lazy to rename the internal folder.dvgrn wrote: so I cleaned those up and rebuilt the ZIP archive, which still had an August 2 folder hiding inside it anyway.
When I first expanded the nomenclature in November, I don't think I had much idea what to do with incoming gliders. The "timing+lane" method worked for outputs, so I decided to adapt glider lanes to the inputs, rejecting timing information as being too cumbersome.dvgrn wrote:Some of the gliderrelated labels have mutated beyond my ability to interpret them. I think I understand the negative numbers in "G19G17FxR" and so on, though those lane numbers are relative to the output Rpentomino, where other glider lane numbers are for output gliders, relative to the input object.
I arbitrarily defined the "forward" orientation of a glider to be SEtravelling with three of its cells in a horizontal line. In the "G19G17FxR" example, those orientations projected forward to a horizontal or vertical line of the forwardtravelling R are 17 and 19 lanes away from the center of the output, as you figured out. The pseudomirrorimage pair should indeed be "G16G18RR" under the current scheme, that is an error. Note that the ordering does matter somewhatthe first glider in each pattern displayed should delete a junk object/prepare the converter, and the second should create the output object. Failing that, the default is to assign more positive lane numbers to either input or output in case of multiple options.
A degenerate case occurs with 90degree GG converters. There, the output lanes of the gliders are not fixed, but can be adjusted by two at a time, the constraint being glider color. Thus, the lane markings are "o" for odd lanes and "e" for even lanes. "GNEo" is thus an oddlane (colourpreserving) 90degree reflector.
That being said, I do agree tandem glider inputs in the form "GxGy" should be shortened to "G(xy)"all of those seemed a little clunky, but as I said before, I didn't know enough about nomenclature back then.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
So would the sign of the difference indicate the relative ordering of the glider pairs?thunk wrote:Note that the ordering does matter somewhatthe first glider in each pattern displayed should delete a junk object/prepare the converter, and the second should create the output object. Failing that, the default is to assign more positive lane numbers to either input or output in case of multiple options.
[...]
That being said, I do agree tandem glider inputs in the form "GxGy" should be shortened to "G(xy)"all of those seemed a little clunky, but as I said before, I didn't know enough about nomenclature back then.
EDIT: And for the sake of connecting tandem signal receivers to tandem signal generators, should information concerning minimum spacing be included in the name of the conduit?
i.e. seeing as how the gliders in this pattern cannot be vertically offset by less than is shown here (i.e. 25 ticks), could this pattern (curr. labeled G25G31BH) be labeled G6T25BH?
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x = 51, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
9.C$10.2C29.2A$9.2C2B11.2A15.A.A$10.4B8.BA2BA6.2A8.A$11.4B7.2B2A6.B2A
B5.B2A.2A$12.4B6.3B4.B2.B.2B.7B.A$10.C2.4B4.5B.8B.6B3.A$11.C2.4B3.23B
2A.2A.A$9.3CB2.4B.26B.A.2A$10.4B2.27B4.A$11.4B2.25B4.2A$12.4B2.24B$
13.4B2.21B$14.4B2.20B$15.7B2A16B$16.5BA2BA13B$17.5B2A13B$17.19B$17.
19B$16.20B$15.17B2AB$15.17B2A$16.17B$18.15B$22.11B$12.B.3B.2B.12B$7.
25B$2A3.D11B2A13B$2A2.B3D9B2A12B$5.DBD21B$7.D23B$9.2B2.2B2.11B.2A$18.
9B2.A$18.9B3.3A$20.8B4.A$21.4B.B2A$20.B2A2B.BA.A$21.2A6.A$29.2A!
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x = 109, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
.3D4.2D2.5D2.D3.3D4.3D2.D3.D21.3D4.2D2.5D2.3D2.5D3.3D2.D3.D$D3.D2.D.D
4.D3.2D2.D3.D2.D3.D.D3.D20.D3.D2.D.D4.D3.D3.D.D6.D3.D.D3.D$D5.D2.D4.D
4.D2.D3.D2.D5.D3.D3.3D14.D5.D2.D4.D3.D5.D6.D5.D3.D3.3D$D.3D.4D4.D4.D
3.4D3.3D2.D.D.D2.D3.D13.D.3D.4D4.D3.4D2.4D4.3D2.D.D.D2.D3.D$D3.D4.D4.
D4.D6.D6.D.D.D.D2.4D14.D3.D4.D4.D3.D3.D5.D6.D.D.D.D2.4D$D3.D4.D4.D4.D
2.D3.D2.D3.D.D.D.D2.D17.D3.D4.D4.D3.D3.D.D3.D2.D3.D.D.D.D2.D$.3D5.D4.
D3.3D2.3D4.3D3.D.D4.3D15.3D5.D4.D4.3D3.3D4.3D3.D.D4.3D7$72.C$73.2C$
12.C.C57.2C2B$13.2CB57.4B$13.C3B57.4B$14.4B57.4B$14.C4B57.4B$15.C4B4.
2A51.4B$13.3C5B2.B2AB51.4B5.A$14.8B.4B52.4B4.3A$15.8B.2B54.4B6.A$16.
10B55.4B4.2A$17.11B54.4B3.4B$18.13B52.4B4.2B$19.13B3.B48.4B2.4B$19.3B
2A9B.B2A48.10B$18.3BA2BA10B2A48.C9B$17.4BABA10B.B50.C9B$16.6BA10B51.
3C11B$15.4B2.11B51.15B$14.4B5.8B49.2B.14B2A$13.4B4.10B48.2A16B2A$12.
4B5.2A4.3B49.2AB.15B$11.4B7.A4.4B49.B2.13B$10.4B5.3A6.4B50.14B$9.4B6.
A7.B2AB51.12B$8.4B16.2A51.9B2A2B$7.4B69.4B.5B2AB$6.4B69.4B.9B$5.4B69.
4B2.9B$4.4B69.4B3.8B.2A$76.4B6.6B2.A$76.3B7.5B3.A.A$76.2B8.6B3.2A$76.
B10.4B$88.2B$87.2B$86.B2AB$87.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Excuse my probable misunderstanding... why is this not an elementary H>G conduit?
Given sufficient time, you can create the H in the same position
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x = 11, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
5.2A$5.2A6$9.2A$9.2A2$C$C.C$3C$2.C!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
It is, but there are so many of the same kind that allows the FNG (first natural glider) to escape and then just kills off the rest of the reaction.Rhombic wrote:Excuse my probable misunderstanding... why is this not an elementary H>G conduit?
It would make sense to have the most useful ones in the collection, and that one with the two blocks, which has been known for a long time, should perhaps be listed.
Anyway, here are a few of the smallest HtoFNG:
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x = 306, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory
157.C$156.C.C139.2C$101.2C53.C.C87.2C50.2C$58.C42.C8.C44.2C.3C38.C46.
2C$56.3C43.3C3.3C50.C36.C.C95.6C$4.2C49.C48.C2.C47.2C.3C38.C96.C2.C2.
C$4.2C49.2C50.2C46.2C.C142.2C2$59.2C$60.C45.2C46.2C46.2C46.2C46.2C$
58.C4.C42.2C46.2C46.2C46.2C46.2C$58.6C$.A8.2C37.A47.A47.A47.A47.A47.A
$.A.A6.C.C36.A.A8.2C35.A.A45.A.A45.A.A45.A.A45.A.A$.3A8.C36.3A9.C35.
3A45.3A45.3A45.3A45.3A$3.A8.2C37.A9.C.C35.A47.A47.A47.A47.A$62.2C53$
107.2C$107.C$105.C.C$101.2C2.2C$101.2C97.2C$155.2C43.C$C154.C3.2C37.C
.C45.2C$3C98.2C54.C2.C36.C.C46.C.C$3.C97.2C53.4C33.2C3.C48.C7.2C$2.2C
189.2C60.C$156.2C95.C.C48.C$60.C94.C2.C94.2C48.C.C$10.2C47.C.C94.2C.C
.2C141.2C$10.2C47.C.C97.C.2C$60.C98.C144.2C$.A47.A47.A47.A11.C.C33.A
47.A47.A13.C.C$.A.A45.A.A45.A.A45.A.A9.2C34.A.A45.A.A45.A.A12.C$.3A
45.3A45.3A45.3A45.3A45.3A45.3A$3.A47.A47.A47.A47.A47.A47.A!
 gmc_nxtman
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
HtoG9:
EDIT: I.... don't even know anymore.
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x = 37, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
31.A$29.3A$15.2A11.A$16.A11.2A$16.A.AB2.2B.5B$17.2AB.7B$19.10B$19.11B
$19.11B$19.12B2.2A$16.15B.A2.A$15.18B3A$15.16B.B$15.17BAB2A$15.15B.B
2A2.A$13.18B.B2.2A$11.19B$11.2BC15B$10.3BCBC12B$11.2B3C12B$10.5BC13B$
9.13B.6B$8.4B5.4B.7B$7.4B5.4B3.5B.2B2.2A$6.4B5.4B5.4B2ABA2.A$5.4B5.4B
9.ABAB3A$4.4B5.4B10.A.A$3.4B5.4B9.3A.5A$2.4B5.4B9.A3.A4.A$.4B5.4B10.
2A2.A.A$4B5.4B16.2A!
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x = 26, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$8.A$8.A.A$9.2A3$2A$.A$.A.A18.2A$2.2A17.A2.A$22.3A2$21.A.2A$21.2A
2.A$24.2A2$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C3$22.2A$17.2A.A2.A$16.A.A.3A$16.A.A$14.
3A.5A$13.A3.A4.A$13.2A2.A.A$18.2A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Reposted to the HtoG / HtoGn collection thread. Good finds! As long as these kinds of things keep getting added to those collections, the collections will (very gradually) become more and more useful.gmc_nxtman wrote:HtoG9...
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Found a new unusuallydependent conduit, based on the shillelagh+bun catalysis recently posted:
Any conduit with that particular start can follow this one.
(Now, which wellknown business can this be named after?)

Also, a variant of a known conduit that produces an LWSS but consumes a block on the edge:
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x = 26, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A$7.A$7.A.A$8.2A7$4.2A7.D$4.2A6.3D$14.D4$2A$.A$.A.A18.2A$2.2A17.A
2.A$22.3A2$21.A.2A$21.2A2.A$24.2A2$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C14.2A$19.2A5$16.
2A$16.A$17.3A$19.A!
(Now, which wellknown business can this be named after?)

Also, a variant of a known conduit that produces an LWSS but consumes a block on the edge:
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x = 24, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
2A12.D$.A11.3D$.A.A9.D$2.2A6$22.2A$2.C19.2A$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C$19.2A$19.
2A5$13.2C$13.2C!
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 BlinkerSpawn
 Posts: 1964
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
What remains to be seen is whether there's a blockmaker that can deal with potential residual hives...Extrementhusiast wrote:Also, a variant of a known conduit that produces an LWSS but consumes a block on the edge:Code: Select all
x = 24, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory 2A12.D$.A11.3D$.A.A9.D$2.2A6$22.2A$2.C19.2A$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C$19.2A$19. 2A5$13.2C$13.2C!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Isn't it part of the HLWSS in the collection?Extrementhusiast wrote:Also, a variant of a known conduit that produces an LWSS but consumes a block on the edge:Code: Select all
x = 24, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory 2A12.D$.A11.3D$.A.A9.D$2.2A6$22.2A$2.C19.2A$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C$19.2A$19. 2A5$13.2C$13.2C!
Best wishes to you, Scorbie
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
It is, and after not realizing that until I went to check, I have a new appreciation for how all the lanes were somehow cleared for the LWSS's exit.Scorbie wrote:Isn't it part of the HLWSS in the collection?
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 gmc_nxtman
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Alternate stabilization for the recent HtoG9:
Unfortunately, it doesn't allow for the extra G1 glider output.
EDIT: And an alternate stabilization of SE23T6:
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x = 24, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
16.2A$16.A$17.A$14.4A$14.A$17.3A$2A15.A2.A$.A17.A.A$.A.A16.A$2.2A7$2.
C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C3$22.2A$17.2A.A2.A$16.A.A.3A$16.A.A$14.3A.5A$13.A3.A
4.A$13.2A2.A.A$18.2A!
EDIT: And an alternate stabilization of SE23T6:
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x = 24, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
20.A$18.3A$17.A$17.2A$2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A7$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C3$22.2A$17.
2A.A2.A$16.A.A.3A$16.A.A$14.3A.5A$13.A3.A4.A$13.2A2.A.A$18.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
More compact, although nonSpartan, stabilization of the PF(x)35W:
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x = 78, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
56.B$55.3D$55.BDB$54.3D2B$54.5B$53.6B$53.6B$54.5B$54.6B$53.6B$53.7B$
54.6B$54.6B$53.3B2AB$13.B7.2A28.5B2A2B3.B7.2A$12.3B6.A3.2A24.9B2.3B6.
A3.2A$12.3B8.A2.A21.B.9B3.3B8.A2.A$12.3B7.3A22.2A11B2.3B7.3A$5.2D2.B.
4B4.2A26.2A11B.4B4.2A$4.DBD9B2.BA.2A25.18B2.BA.2A$3.2D12B2.3B.A24.19B
2.3B.A$4.18B.A26.22B.A$3.20B.2A22.25B.2A$3.9B3C8B3.A21.2AB2.9B3C8B3.A
$4.8BCBC8B3.A22.A4.8BCBC8B3.A$2.2AB.6BCBC6B.B2A.2A18.3A3.2AB.6BCBC6B.
B2A.2A$.A.AB.6B.8B.BA.A20.A4.A.AB.6B.8B.BA.A$.A5.5B.7B5.A25.A5.5B.7B
5.A$2A7.2B3.5B6.2A23.2A7.2B3.5B6.2A$16.2B48.2B!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)
$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$
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V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)
$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
I like this one, it allows to use HtoPtoWtoH with repeat time under 74 (syringe standard), I think there was no way to do so with P or W before.
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x = 81, y = 86, rule = LifeHistory
47.4B$46.4B$45.A3B$44.B2AB$43.BABA$16.A25.4B$16.3A22.4B$19.A20.4B$18.
2A19.4B$18.5B15.4B$20.4B13.4B$19.5B10.6B19.A$17.B.6B10.4B.3B.B12.3A$
16.9B3.7BABA8B9.BA$12.B.3B2A6B2.4BCBA9B2A2B5.B2.B2A14.2A$11.2A3BABA6B
2.4BC2D9B2A2B3.8B13.B2AB$11.2A3B2A8B.4BCBC3BA9B.10B14.2B$12.B.2BA16BD
2ABA20B15.2B3.B$15.2BA19B2.2B.15B15.4B.B2A$14.3B2A15B8.17B11.8B2A$12.
BA18B11.19B2.2B2.6B2AB.B$12.2A19B10.14BAD15B2A$13.A19B11.7B.4BCBCA16B
$11.ABA9BABA7B10.12BACDC21B$9.3A.ABA6B3AB.5B2A8.14BC23B$8.A5.A6BA3B5.
2BA.A8.8B2.26B2A$8.2A6.4B2AB2AB8.A8.6B11.2B.B.14B2A$17.6B2A2B7.2A8.5B
10.3B5.11B.B$16.3B2A3BA2B17.4B7.2A.2BA7.10B$16.BA5BA3B18.3B7.A.2BA.A
3.12B$8.2A7.BABA2BA3B6.2A8.4B9.A2.B2A2.14B$9.A5.3BA9B5.A9.2A12.A6.13B
$4.A4.A.AB.15B.BA.A10.A10.A.5A2.13B$4.3A3.2AB.5BADBC6B.B2A.2A5.3A11.
2A4.A2.B3D7B$7.A4.8B3C8B3.A6.C16.3A3.2BD4B.3B$6.2AB2.10BC9B3.A20.2A.A
5.2B3D2B$6.25B.2A21.A.A6.B3A2B$8.22B.A31.2BA2BAB$6.5B2D12B2.3B.A30.5B
2AB$6.6BDBD9B2.BA.2A30.8B$5.2A6B2D3B.4B4.2A22.2A8.2BA2BA2B$5.2A11B2.
3B7.3A18.A.A.2A2.2AB2.2A4B$6.B.9B3.3B8.A2.A18.A.A2.A.AB.4B2AB$9.9B2.
3B6.A3.2A17.2A.A.2A4.3B3A$9.5B2A2B3.B7.2A24.A2.A4.4BAB$11.2BABAB7.2A
29.2A7.A2BA2B$12.6B4.A2.A24.2A7.B3.2B2A5B$12.2BA3B4.2A.A.2A17.2A3.A6.
3B2.9B$11.BA2BA2B.BA.A2.A.A18.A2.A8.3B3.9B.B$11.2B4A2.B2A2.2A.A.A18.
3A7.3B2.11B2A$12.3B2A3B8.2A22.2A4.4B.3B2D6B2A$12.BA6B30.2A.AB2.9BDBD
6B$11.B2A5B30.A.3B2.12B2D5B$11.BA2BA2B31.A.22B$11.2B3AB6.A.A21.2A.25B
$10.2B2DC2B5.A.2A20.A3.9BD10B2.B2A$6.3B.4BD2B3.3A16.C6.A3.8B3C8B4.A$
6.7B3DB2.A4.2A11.3A5.2A.2AB.6BCBDA5B.B2A3.3A$4.13B2.5A.A10.A10.A.AB.
9BA5B.BA.A4.A$4.13B6.A12.2A9.A5.13B5.A$3.14B2.2AB2.A9.4B8.2A6.3B2A2BA
BA7.2A$4.12B3.A.A2B.A7.3B18.3B4A2BAB$3.10B7.A2B.2A7.4B17.5B2ABA2B$.B.
11B5.3B10.5B8.2A7.2B2A6B$2A14B.B.2B11.6B8.A8.B2AB3A3B6.2A$2A26B2.8B8.
A.A2B5.3BA6BA5.A$.22BACA13B8.2A5B.B3A6BABA.3A$.20BACDCA12B10.7BA9BABA
BA$5.16BACBCA3B.7B11.7BA11BA$5.2A15BCA14B10.17BABAB$2.B.B2A6B2.2B2.
19B11.8B2A4BA3BAB$.2A8B11.17B8.15BA3BA$.2AB.4B15.15B.2B2.19BA2B$2.B3.
2B15.21BABAD16BA2B.B$7.2B14.10B.10BABADAD4B.8B2A3B2A$6.B2AB13.8B3.2B
2A9B2DCA3B2.6BA5B2A$7.2A14.2AB2.B5.2B2A10BAD4B2.7BA3B.B$24.AB9.18B3.
6BA2B$21.3A12.B.3B.4B10.6B.B$21.A19.6B10.5B$40.4B13.4B$40.2A16.5B$41.
A19.2A$38.3A20.A$38.A23.3A$64.A!
 BlinkerSpawn
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 Location: Getting a snacker from RBee's
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Simpler, smaller catalyst (EDIT: Another cell smaller and compatible with the variant eater1):
Allots a tad more space on the right if it's ever needed:
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x = 31, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
7.6B3.2A2.2A$7.7B2.A.A2.A2.A$8.6B4.2A.A.A.A$8.6B4.A2.A2.A$7.3B2AB7.2A
$5.5B2A2B3.B10.A$5.9B2.3B8.A.A$2.B.9B3.3B8.A.A$.2A11B2.3B7.2A.2A$.2A
11B.4B4.2A3.A$2.18B2.BA.2A.A$2.19B2.3B.A$4.22B.A.A$2.25B.2A$2.2AB2.9B
3C8B$3.A4.8BCBC8B$3A3.2AB.6BCBC6B.B2A$A4.A.AB.6B.8B.BA.A$5.A5.5B.7B5.
A$4.2A7.2B3.5B6.2A!
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x = 31, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
7.6B3.2A2.2A$7.7B2.A.A2.A2.A$8.6B4.2A.A.A.A$8.6B4.A2.A2.2A$7.3B2AB7.
2A$5.5B2A2B3.B6.2A$5.9B2.3B4.A2.A$2.B.9B3.3B4.2A.A$.2A11B2.3B7.2A$.2A
11B.4B4.2A3.A$2.18B2.BA.2A.A$2.19B2.3B.A$4.22B.A.A$2.25B.2A$2.2AB2.9B
3C8B$3.A4.8BCBC8B$3A3.2AB.6BCBC6B.B2A$A4.A.AB.6B.8B.BA.A$5.A5.5B.7B5.
A$4.2A7.2B3.5B6.2A!
Last edited by BlinkerSpawn on November 11th, 2017, 5:33 pm, edited 2 times in total.

 Posts: 177
 Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Feels like that the WtoH is the only thing that can be used afterward, so getting rid of that glider inbound is kind of mandatory, I made it more compact using your improvement.
That being said, I should mention that I was wrong for the repeat time, there is one with the same that is already known (but it is not as compact):
However, what is true is that a htoh in the collection can have its repeat time improved 75>68
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x = 32, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
8.6B3.2A2.2A$8.7B2.A.A2.A$9.6B4.2A.A.2A$9.6B4.A2.A.A$8.3B2AB7.2A2.A$
6.5B2A2B3.B4.2A3.2A$6.9B2.3B3.A4.A$3.B.9B3.3B4.3A.A$2.2A11B2.3B7.2A.
2A$2.2A11B.4B4.2A3.A.A$3.18B2.BA.2A.A$3.19B2.3B.A.A$5.22B.A.A$3.15BA
9B.A$3.2AB2.9BCDC8B$4.A4.7BACBCA7B$.3A3.2AB.6BDBD6B.B2A$.A4.A.AB.6B.
8B.BA.A$6.A5.5B.7B5.A$5.2A7.2B3.5B6.2A!
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x = 40, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
3$8.2A$9.A6.2A$9.A.AB.2B2AB$10.2AB.4B$6.A4.8B$6.3A3.9B$9.A2.9B$8.2A.
3BD7B2.2B2.3B$8.6B2D15BDB$10.6BD14BDBD$8.7B2D3B2A9B3DB$7.13B2A11BD$7.
27B$6.12B.2B.3B.B.2B$6.11B11.3B$7.14B8.A2B.2A$9.3C11B5.A.A2B.A$10.BC
11B4.A.AB2.A$8.B3C11B5.A3.A$6.15B.B2A4.4A.A$5.14B3.BA.A7.A.A$5.13B7.A
3.2A2.A.A$5.12B8.2A2.2A3.A$6.10B$8.7B$8.8B$9.8B$11.5B2A$13.3B.A$14.2B
.A.2A$12.A2.A.A2.A$12.4A.2A$16.A$14.A.A$14.2A!
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x = 117, y = 86, rule = LifeHistory
68.A.A$68.2A.A$71.3A$68.2A4.A$68.A.5A$70.A21.A$52.2A15.A2.B2A2.2B13.
3A$40.2A9.A.A14.A.2BA.A3.B16.A14.A$40.A2.2A4.3A.A.AB11.2A.2BA20.2A12.
3A$37.A3.2A2.A2.A5.2AB.2A12.3B7.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$37.4A2.2A.B.2A6.2B2AB
12.4B.13B5.5B6.2A$40.A.A2.5B6.4B6.3B2A21BD9B2.5B$39.A2.A5B8.6B3.3BAC
2A19BD15B$34.A.A2.A.A.7B7.6B2.2B2ACDC18B2D14B2A$34.2A.A.A.2A8B6.7B.3B
ACADA14B2A2B2D13B2A$37.2A3.B.8B4.13B2AC15B2A3BD12B.B$32.5A7.9B2.2B2A
11B2A3B2.2B3.23B$32.A3.A6.29B11.10B2.9B$34.A7.14B2ABA10B16.6B3.8B$33.
3A2.8B3D6BA3BA9B19.3B4.7B$7.2A23.A4.9BD8B4A11B20.B3.11B$8.A23.2A4.8B
3DBA2BA16B20.2A2.12B$8.A.AB18.4B7.9BAB3A2BA5B2.5B2A19.A2.12B$9.2AB.2A
12.5B10.10B2A9B6.BA.A15.3A4.11B2.2A2.2A.2A$11.2B2AB12.4B.3B.2B.13B3A
7BA8.A15.A4.4B.4B3DB2.A.A2.A.A$11.4B6.6B2A10BA14B2A5BA3B7.2A19.2A4.4B
D2B3.B.2A3.A$11.6B3.4BD3B2A7B2A4BA8B4.6BA2BA28.A4.2B3D2B2.2B2.A.2A$
12.6B2.4B3DA9BABAB2D7B6.6B.2BA25.3A6.6B.2BAB.A.A$12.4B3A.4BDBD10BA3BD
8B8.B.B3.A26.A8.8BA.A.A.A$11.15BD11BA2BA2D6B7.3B5.3A32.8B.2A.2A$10.4B
2ABABAB2A7B2.2B2.3B3ABD3B.2A7.B2AB6.A33.6B$9.5BA2BABA7B10.9B2.A9.2A
41.6B$9.5B3ABA6B12.9B3.3A48.6B$10.13BA15.8B4.A48.7B$9.8BA5BAB15.4B.B
2A53.6B$7.2AB.11B2AB14.B2A2B.BA.A52.6B$6.A.AB.6B3.2AB.B2A13.2A6.A52.
6B$6.A4.6B7.BA.A20.2A50.8B$5.2A4.D2B2D2B9.A71.8B$11.A3D4B2.2A4.2A70.
9B$9.2BABD7BA.A75.9B$9.2BA8B3.A74.10B$9.5B3A3B3.2A73.3B2A5B$9.2B3A5B
73.2A3.4B2A5B$9.BA2BA5B74.A3.11B$9.B4A3BA75.A.A7BD4B$9.5BABAB70.2A4.
2A2.4B3DB$10.5BA2B71.A9.2B2D2BD4.2A$9.3BA4B50.2A20.A.AB7.6B4.A$10.BAB
A2B52.A6.2A13.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$10.4BAB52.A.AB.2B2AB14.14B.B2A$10.BA2BA
B53.2AB.4B15.16B$10.2BAB2AB48.A4.8B15.14B$11.3B3A48.3A3.9B12.16B$10.B
2AB2A41.2A9.A2.9B10.18B$10.B2A2BA33.A6.B2AB7.2A.3BD7B2.2B2.20B$3.2A.
2A.3B3A2B32.3A5.3B7.6B2D15BD15B$2.A.A.A.A4BA3B8.A26.A3.B.B8.8BD14BDBD
4B.7B$2.A.A.BA2B.6B6.3A25.A2B.6B6.7B2D3B2A9B3D4B2.6B$.2A.A2.2B2.2B3D
2B4.A28.A2BA6B4.14B2A11BD4B3.6B$A3.2A.B3.2BD4B4.2A19.2A7.44B6.4B$.A.A
2.A.A2.B3D4B.4B4.A15.A8.24B.2B.3B.4B12.B2A2B$2A.2A2.2A2.11B4.3A15.A.A
B6.21B10.3B14.2A.B2A$11.12B2.A19.2A5B2.22B7.4B18.BA.A$11.12B2.2A20.
21B3D8B4.2A23.A$12.11B3.B20.23BD9B4.A23.2A$15.7B4.3B19.20B3D8B2.3A$
14.8B3.6B16.28B7.A$13.9B2.10B11.29B6.A3.A$12.23B3.2B2.20B2.9B7.5A$10.
B.12BD3B2A15BD15B4.8B.B3.2A$9.2A13B2D2B2A15BDBD4B.7B6.8B2A.A.A.2A$9.
2A14B2D18B3D4B2.6B7.7B.A.A2.A.A$10.15BD21BD4B3.6B8.5BA2.A$8.5B2.9BD
26B6.4B6.5B2.A.A$8.2A6.5B5.13B.4B12.B2A2B6.2A.B.2A2.4A$9.A7.2B.3B3.7B
.B7.3B12.2A.B2A5.A2.A2.2A3.A$6.3A12.2A20.A2B.2A11.BA.A.3A4.2A2.A$6.A
14.A16.B3.A.A2B.A14.A.A9.2A$22.3A13.2B2.2AB2.A15.2A$24.A21.A$42.5A.A$
42.A4.2A$43.3A$45.A.2A$46.A.A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Here are a few other ways of dealing with that glider. First, with a regular eater5 or sidesnagger  the sidesnagger can be adjusted SE by up to three cells, and an eater5 variant will fit as far down as 5 cells SEward, but it's nice to be able to get them out of the way to the NW. Maybe they can go a cell or two farther NW with the right weld:Jormungant wrote:Feels like that the WtoH is the only thing that can be used afterward, so getting rid of that glider inbound is kind of mandatory, I made it more compact using your improvement.
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x = 61, y = 86, rule = LifeHistory
3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B17.A9.2A.2A$9.4B16.3A4.2A2.A.A$10.4B7.2A
9.A2.A2.2A3.A$11.4B5.B2AB7.2A3.2A2.3A$12.4B5.3B7.5B2.A.A$13.4B3.B.B
10.5BA$14.4B.6B6.7B.A4.2A$15.10B5.8B2A5.A$7.2A7.12B.8B.B6.A.AB$8.A8.
20B9.A.AB.B$8.A.AB6.20B9.A3B2A$9.2AB.3B2.21B7.3B.B2A$11.21B3D8B3.2B3.
B$11.23BD9B.4B$12.20B3D8B3.3B$11.29B7.4B$9.30B9.B3D$7.19B3.12B.2B.3B.
D3B$7.2BC15B5.20BD9B$6.3BCBC4B.7B6.13B2A11BD4B$7.2B3C4B2.6B7.7B2D3B2A
9B3D4B$6.5BC4B3.6B8.6BD14BDBD4B$5.10B6.4B6.6B2D15BD6B$4.4B12.B2A2B6.
2A.3BD7B2.2B2.10B$4.3B14.2A.B2A5.A2.9B9.8B$2.4B18.BA.A.3A3.9B12.5B$2.
2A23.A.A4.8B15.4B$3.A23.2A4.2AB.4B$3A29.A.AB.2B2AB$A31.A6.2A$31.2A16$
4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B17.A9.2A.2A$9.4B16.3A4.2A2.A.A$10.4B7.2A9.A2.
A2.2A3.A$11.4B5.B2AB7.2A3.2A2.3A$12.4B5.3B7.5B2.A.A8.2A$13.4B3.B.B10.
5BA9.B2AB$14.4B.6B6.7B.A3.2A4.2B$15.10B5.8B2A3.A.A4.2B$7.2A7.12B.8B.B
5.AB2.5B.B$8.A8.20B8.3B2A2B.B2A$8.A.AB6.20B7.2BA2BA3B2A$9.2AB.3B2.21B
5.4BABAB.2B$11.21B3D8B2.4BA2B$11.23BD9B4.3B$12.20B3D8B5.2B$11.29B7.4B
$9.30B9.B3D$7.19B3.12B.2B.3B.D3B$7.2BC15B5.20BD9B$6.3BCBC4B.7B6.13B2A
11BD4B$7.2B3C4B2.6B7.7B2D3B2A9B3D4B$6.5BC4B3.6B8.6BD14BDBD4B$5.10B6.
4B6.6B2D15BD6B$4.4B12.B2A2B6.2A.3BD7B2.2B2.10B$4.3B14.2A.B2A5.A2.9B9.
8B$2.4B18.BA.A.3A3.9B12.5B$2.2A23.A.A4.8B15.4B$3.A23.2A4.2AB.4B$3A29.
A.AB.2B2AB$A31.A6.2A$31.2A!
That wasn't true for the original Fx176, or A for awesome's original improvement. It can really make the Fx176 a lot more useful to have another optional signal output from the next conduit  it was always a big annoyance not being able to get that glider out. So that's probably another new Hto2G worth adding to the toolkit.
There's even enough room to fit a Snark in after an Lx200 turn, which might also come in handy:
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x = 79, y = 73, rule = LifeHistory
3.4B17.A9.2A3.4B$4.4B16.3A4.2A2.A4.4B30.A$5.4B7.2A9.A2.A2.2A6.4B27.3A
$6.4B5.B2AB7.2A3.2A2.3A4.4B25.A$7.4B5.3B7.5B2.A.A2.A4.4B14.2A8.2A$8.
4B3.B.B10.5BA3.2A5.4B14.A5.5B$9.4B.6B6.7B.A10.4B13.A.AB.4B$10.10B5.8B
2A11.4B13.2AB.6B4.B$2.2A7.12B.8B.B13.4B14.10B.B2A$3.A8.20B16.4B13.12B
2A$3.A.AB6.20B16.4B12.11B.B$4.2AB.3B2.21B16.4B2.4B3.13B$6.21B3D8B13.
4B.5B2.12B.2B$6.23BD9B13.25B2A$7.20B3D8B15.24B2A$6.29B19.20B.B.B$4.
30B12.B5.B2.20B$2.19B3.12B.2B.3B.B.2B2.26B$2.2BC15B5.52B$.3BCBC4B.7B
6.13B2A11BDB2A21B$2.2B3C4B2.6B7.7B2D3B2A9B3DB2A21B$.5BC4B3.6B8.6BD14B
DBD23B3.B$10B6.4B6.6B2D15BD25B2.2B$3B12.B2A2B6.2A.3BD7B2.2B2.29B.3B$
2B14.2A.B2A5.A2.9B9.4B2.7B.17B$B18.BA.A.3A3.9B15.6B2.16B$22.A.A4.8B
19.3B3.10B.4B$22.2A4.2AB.4B15.2A4.B4.14B$27.A.AB.2B2AB13.A.A10.12B$
27.A6.2A8.2A4.A12.11B$26.2A14.A2.A2.2A.4A8.11B$42.2A.A.A.A.A2.A9.9B$
45.A.ABABAB6.A4.9B$45.A.AB2AB6.A.A3.9B$46.AB.2B7.A.A3.9B$49.3B5.2A.A.
A9B$49.4B6.A.2A2.6B$47.3B2AB6.A5.6B$47.3B2AB3.BA.A5.D2B2D2B$45.10B.B
2A6.B3D4B2.2A$44.13B6.4BD7BA.A$43.14B6.11B3.A$42.15B6.5B2A4B3.2A$41.
4B2.8B8.5B2A3B$40.4B5.6B8.10B$39.4B4.9B7.9B$39.3B5.2A4.4B6.9B$39.2B7.
A5.4B6.8B$39.B5.3A7.4B4.8B$45.A10.4B4.6B$57.4B3.6B$58.4B2.6B$59.4B.7B
$60.4B.6B$61.9B$62.8B$63.8B$64.7B$65.6B$65.2B3D2B$65.2BD4B$65.B3D4B.
3B$65.13B$65.14B$65.14B$66.13B$66.13B$65.14B$66.12B$68.3B2C3B$68.2BC
2BCB$70.B2C!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
I think this is a new RtoG (shown here with two variants), but my ondesktop reference files are getting a little dated:
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x = 70, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A$9.A2.A$8.A.3A$8.A4.2A38.A.A$6.3A.2A3.A32.2A2.A.2A$5.A4.A.3A33.A
3.A$6.3A.A.A36.3A.3A$8.A.AB39.A.A2.A$9.2AB40.3B2AB$10.3B41.3B$10.4B9.
2A30.4B9.2A$8.7B.2B5.A29.7B.2B5.A$8.5B2.3B2.BA.A29.5B2.3B2.BA.A$8.2BC
8B.B2A30.2BC8B.B2A$8.2B2C9B32.2B2C9B$8.B2C10B32.B2C10B$8.13B32.13B$9.
11B34.11B$10.10B.BA32.10B.BA$12.5BD3BA.A33.5BD3BA.A$14.2BD2B.2BA36.2B
D2B.2BA$15.B3D2.B38.B3D2.B$14.4B41.4B$13.4B41.4B$12.4B41.4B$11.4B41.
4B$10.4B41.4B$9.4B41.4B$8.4B41.4B$7.4B41.4B$6.4B41.4B$5.4B41.4B$4.4B
41.4B$3.4B41.4B$2.4B41.4B$.4B41.4B$4B41.4B!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
I'm not finding it offhand, but also am not finding a lot of conduits that it will usefully connect to. It works with HLx111R to make an HtoG that might come in handy sometime, but I'm not sure how:Kazyan wrote:I think this is a new RtoG (shown here with two variants), but my ondesktop reference files are getting a little dated...
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#C SW22T201
x = 61, y = 66, rule = LifeHistory
10.3D2.D3.D8.3D3.3D2.5D2.3D3.3D4.D$9.D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D.D3.D3.D3.D3.D.D
3.D2.2D$9.D5.D3.D11.D5.D3.D7.D.D2.2D3.D$10.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D5.D4.D6.D2.
D.D.D3.D$13.D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.D5.D3.2D2.D3.D$9.D3.D.2D.2D8.D5.D6.D4.D4.D
3.D3.D$10.3D2.D3.D7.5D.5D3.D3.5D2.3D3.3D12$38.A$29.A6.3A$28.A.A4.A$
27.2BAB4.2A$28.2B2.5B$29.6B$27.9B$26.12B$25.13B$24.13B7.A$23.4B.8B.B
5.A.A$22.4B3.7B.2B4.A.A$21.4B4.11B2.2A2.2A$20.4B6.12B2.A.A.A$19.4B7.
10B5A.A.A$18.4B9.7B2.A6.A$17.4B9.B.6B3.2A.3A$16.4B9.9B4.A.A$15.4B8.
11B4.A.A$14.4B9.10B6.A$13.4B9.12B$12.4B9.14B$11.4B10.17B$10.4B12.15B
2A$9.4B13.15B2A$8.4B13.17B$7.4B11.16B$6.4B11.16B$5.4B12.16B$4.4B12.
16B$3.4B12.20B$2.4B13.20B$.4B15.20B$4B15.22B$3B14.24B$2B13.25B$B14.2B
C13B.10B$14.3BCBC4B.7B2.2B4.2A$15.2B3C4B2.3B.B4.B4.A$14.5BC4B4.2B2A3.
2A4.3A$13.10B4.BA2.A4.A6.A$12.4B12.3A5.A.A$12.3B22.2A$10.4B14.3A$10.
2A16.A2.A$11.A18.2A$8.3A$8.A!
So... what else am I missing, that this RtoG might usefully connect to? EDIT: Added in a sample pattern from chris_c's example below  kind of a steampunk mixture of old and new tech, which all adds up to not really useful and not worth making a new post about:
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x = 229, y = 229, rule = LifeHistory
115.2A2.A$114.A.4A$114.A$112.2A.7A$110.A2.A.A6.A$110.2A3.A.2A2.2A$
114.2A.2A4$116.2A$116.2A8.2A$126.A$124.A.A$124.2A7$114.2A$115.A$112.
3A$112.A23$61.A$61.3A6.A18.2A6.2A$64.A4.A.A17.A.A5.2A$63.2A5.A19.2A$
167.2A$81.2A83.A2.A$72.D8.2A82.A.3A$70.D.D23.A68.A4.2A$71.2D22.A.A65.
3A.2A3.A$55.A39.A2.A63.A4.A.3A$54.A.A39.2A65.3A.A.A$54.A.A108.A.A$52.
2A2.2A108.2A$51.A.A.A$51.A.A.5A45.2A73.2A$52.A6.A45.A.A72.A$53.3A.2A
48.A70.A.A$55.A.A49.2A58.D10.2A$55.A.A109.2D$56.A109.2D$101.2A$101.A.
A$71.2A30.A75.A$71.2A30.2A69.D3.A.A$158.2A13.D5.A$85.3D70.2A13.3D$86.
D12.2A$84.3D12.2A$75.2A57.2A16.2A$75.2A58.A16.2A$134.A$134.2A$125.2A$
125.A.A$126.A48.2A$99.2A74.2A$98.A2.A$99.2A32.D3.2A15.C$106.2A25.2D2.
2A15.C.C$106.2A13.2D11.2D18.3C$122.2D10.D21.C$122.D10.D$179.2A$84.2A
92.A.A$84.2A92.2A2$75.2A.A7.D6.2A39.2A$75.A.2A6.3D5.2A39.2A$84.2D2.D
8.2A31.A41.2A$96.A.A31.3A38.A2.A$96.A36.A37.A.A5.2A$95.2A35.2A11.A26.
A6.2A$108.2A34.A.A7.2A$108.2A34.A.A7.2A$11.A68.A64.A14.2A$11.3A65.A.A
79.A$14.A64.2A29.2A46.3A$13.2A95.2A46.A$87.D78.2A$4.2A80.3D53.2A23.A$
3.A.A80.D55.2A20.3A$3.A124.2A34.A$2A.A124.2A$.A.A.2A117.2A97.2A$.A.A.
2A3.2A112.2A97.A$2A.A6.2A192.2A19.A$A2.4A14.2A182.A18.2A$.2A3.A14.A.A
181.A.A14.A3.2A$3.2A18.A182.2A14.4A2.A$3.A19.2A192.2A6.A.2A$5.A97.2A
112.2A3.2A.A.A$4.2A97.2A117.2A.A.A$99.2A124.A.2A$64.A34.2A124.A$62.3A
20.2A55.D80.A.A$61.A23.2A53.3D80.2A$61.2A78.D$70.A46.2A95.2A$68.3A46.
2A29.2A64.A$67.A79.A.A65.3A$67.2A14.A64.A68.A$73.2A7.A.A34.2A$73.2A7.
A.A34.2A$48.2A6.A26.A11.2A35.2A$48.2A5.A.A37.A36.A$54.A2.A38.3A31.A.A
$55.2A41.A31.2A8.D2.2D$93.2A39.2A5.3D6.2A.A$93.2A39.2A6.D7.A.2A2$49.
2A92.2A$48.A.A92.2A$48.2A$95.D10.D$72.D21.D10.2D$72.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A
$72.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A$74.D15.2A3.D32.2A$127.A2.A$52.2A74.2A$52.2A48.A
$101.A.A$102.2A$93.2A$94.A$75.2A16.A58.2A$75.2A16.2A57.2A$128.2A12.3D
$128.2A12.D$53.3D13.2A70.3D$49.A5.D13.2A$48.A.A3.D69.2A30.2A$49.A75.A
30.2A$125.A.A$126.2A$61.2D109.A$60.2D109.A.A$49.2A10.D58.2A49.A.A$48.
A.A70.A48.2A.3A$48.A72.A.A38.D6.A6.A$47.2A73.2A38.3D4.5A.A.A$163.D9.A
.A.A$61.2A108.2A2.2A$61.A.A108.A.A$59.A.A.3A65.2A39.A.A$57.3A.A4.A63.
A2.A39.A$56.A3.2A.3A65.A.A22.2D$57.2A4.A68.A23.D.D$59.3A.A82.2A8.D$
59.A2.A83.2A$60.2A$137.2A19.A5.2A$130.2A5.A.A17.A.A4.A$130.2A6.2A18.A
6.3A$167.A23$116.A$114.3A$113.A$113.2A7$103.2A$102.A.A5.2A$102.A7.2A$
101.2A5$110.2A.2A$106.2A2.2A.A3.2A$106.A6.A.A2.A$107.7A.2A$114.A$109.
4A.A$109.A2.2A!
#C [[ AUTOSTART STEP 9 THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 2 ]]
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Well there's this one:dvgrn wrote: So... what else am I missing, that this RtoG might usefully connect to?
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x = 34, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A$17.A2.A$16.A.3A$16.A4.2A$14.3A.2A3.A$13.A4.A.3A$7.4B3.3A.A.A$8.
4B4.A.AB$9.4B4.2AB$10.4B4.3B$11.4B3.4B9.2A$12.11B.2B5.A$13.8B2.3B2.BA
.A$14.4BD8B.B2A$15.3B2D9B$16.B2D10B$15.14B$15.13B$15.13B.BA$15.10BD3B
A.A$9.2A4.9BD2B.2BA$8.B2AB2.10B3D2.B$8.4B.13B$4.2B.20B$3.2A22B$3.2A
22B$4.B.21B$7.19B$6.19B$6.19B.B4.3C$6.20B2A3.C$5.19B.B2A4.C$3.20B3.B$
3.2BC15B$2.3BCBC14B$3.2B3C13B$2.5BC14B$.24B$4B4.18B4.2A$10.17B.BA.A$
10.19B2A$11.19B$10.20B$10.20B$10.13B2A4B$10.12BA2BA5B$11.11BABA5B2A$
12.11BA6B2A$13.18B$11.20B$11.2A.9B2.2B$12.A4.6B$9.3A7.3B$9.A7.5B$17.
2A$18.A$15.3A$15.A!
Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits
Updated with the last year's new elementary conduits (and semicenarks, which I think are elementary enough to be included as G0toGs rather than as a G0toC).
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the monoclinic!