The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by dvgrn » March 15th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Let's make things confusing, shall we?

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[HR44B, but with block-eating eater shifted into Fx77 position,
which magically moves the output by two cells and changes it to HR48B]
Nice find! It's not really too confusing in practice, just a new HR48B -- but it's a wonderful minimalist example of how that subtle change in eater placement makes a large difference several ticks later and many cells away. The information about which eater is present propagates through the active reaction faster than c/2 diagonally (!).
Moosey wrote:A good way to show this is that the conduit can be chained up to other conduits, e.g. BRx46B...
Yup, there are quite a few B-input elementary conduits that connect equally well to either HR44B or HR48B. If you test with BRx46B specifically it's a bit difficult to get the input Herschel in and/or the output Herschel out, but here are a couple of complete loops showing the four-tick difference in timing:

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x = 169, y = 87, rule = LifeHistory
156.A$156.3A$68.A74.A15.A3.2A$68.3A56.A15.3A12.2A4.A$54.2A15.A3.2A48.
3A18.A11.5B.A.2A$39.A15.A14.2A4.A30.2B15.A20.2A3.B9.B2A.A2.A$37.3A15.
A.AB11.5B.A.2A26.4B14.2A19.8B6.BA.A.2A$19.2B15.A19.2AB.3B9.B2A.A2.A
26.4B15.B21.8B.4B2A$18.4B14.2A20.7B6.BA.A.2A24.B2.6B14.3B19.15B$18.4B
15.B20.9B.4B2A27.2AB.2B2A2B13.6B16.15B$14.B2.6B14.3B19.15B27.2A3BA2BA
3B.B8.10B11.17B$13.2AB.2B2A2B13.6B16.15B29.2B.2B2A7B3.2B2.11B3.2B2.
19B$13.2A3BA2BA3B.B8.10B11.17B32.18BD3B2A15BC16B$14.2B.2B2A7B3.2B2.
11B3.2B2.20B.2B30.17B2D2B2A15BCBC4B.9B.2B$17.18BD3B2A15BC18B2A29.18B
2D18B3C4B2.10B2A$18.17B2D2B2A15BCBC4B.9B.B2A29.18BD21BC4B.9B.B2A$18.
18B2D18B3C4B2.B2D2BDB3.B29.18BD26B3.B2D2BDB3.B$18.18BD21BC4B2.2B3D2B
31.B.13B2.B4.13B.4B10.2B3D2B$17.18BD26B3.3BD3B30.2AB.12B7.7B.B5.3B11.
3BD3B$15.B.13B2.B4.13B.4B10.8B29.2A4BD9B19.4B12.8B$14.2AB.12B7.7B.B4.
4B10.11B28.2B.B3D7B20.2A13.11B$14.2A4BD9B19.4B10.2A11B30.D2B2D6B21.A
12.2A11B$15.2B.B3D7B20.2A12.2A12B29.10B19.3A13.2A12B$18.D2B2D6B21.A
12.13B22.2A5.7B23.A15.13B$18.10B19.3A13.13B23.A6.6B39.13B$10.2A5.7B
23.A14.15B22.A.AB2.8B37.15B$11.A6.6B37.16B23.2AB2.9B35.16B$11.A.AB2.
8B35.16B26.12B34.16B$12.2AB2.9B34.16B26.12B34.16B$14.12B34.16B26.10B.
B2A32.16B$14.12B35.16B26.8B2.BA.A32.16B$14.10B.B2A33.18B23.8B6.A32.
18B$15.8B2.BA.A33.4B5.9B23.8B5.2A32.4B5.9B$14.8B6.A34.2B7.9B23.7B40.
2B7.9B$15.8B5.2A34.AB5.10B20.11B40.AB5.10B$16.7B40.A.A4.11B19.12B39.A
.A4.11B$13.11B39.2A4.12B10.2A7.12B39.2A4.12B$12.12B44.13B9.A2.A2.2A2.
11B45.13B$3.2A7.12B43.13B11.2A2.A.A2.B3D4B.4B42.13B$2.A2.A2.2A2.11B
43.4B.2B.6B13.2A.B3.2BD4B4.2A41.4B.2B.6B$3.2A2.A.A2.B3D4B.4B40.4B4.6B
14.A2.2B2.2B3D2B4.A41.4B4.6B$5.2A.B3.2BD4B4.2A39.4B4.6B12.2A.A.BA2B.
6B6.3A37.4B4.6B$5.A2.2B2.2B3D2B4.A39.4B5.4B14.A.2A.A.A8B8.A36.4B5.4B$
2.2A.A.BA2B.6B6.3A35.4B6.2B2AB17.A.A.8B44.4B6.2B2AB$2.A.2A.A.A8B8.A
34.4B9.2A15.2A2.A2.7B44.4B9.2A$6.A.A.8B42.4B25.3A.2A3.7B43.4B$3.2A2.A
2.7B42.4B25.A4.B6.6B41.4B$.3A.2A3.7B41.4B27.3AB2AB3.7B40.4B$A4.B6.6B
39.4B30.A.2AB.8B40.4B$.3AB2AB3.7B38.4B35.10B39.4B$3.A.2AB.8B38.4B36.
6B2A3B37.4B$7.10B37.4B37.6B2A2B5.2A30.4B$7.6B2A3B35.4B38.10B5.A30.4B$
7.6B2A2B5.2A28.4B38.11B2.BA.A29.4B$7.10B5.A28.4B39.12B.B2A29.4B$6.11B
2.BA.A27.4B39.15B30.4B$6.12B.B2A27.4B39.16B29.4B$5.15B28.4B37.2B.16B
28.4B$4.16B27.4B37.2A18B27.4B$.2B.16B26.4B38.2AB.17B25.4B$2A18B25.4B
40.B.4B.8B2.4B23.4B$2AB.17B23.4B48.7B4.4B21.4B$.B.4B.8B2.4B21.4B50.6B
5.4B19.4B$8.7B4.4B19.4B53.4B6.4B6.A10.4B$9.6B5.4B6.A10.4B56.3BA5.4B5.
3A7.4B$11.4B6.4B5.3A7.4B58.BA.A5.4B7.A5.4B$13.3BA5.4B7.A5.4B60.A.A6.
4B5.2A4.4B$14.BA.A5.4B5.2A4.4B62.A8.4B4.9B$15.A.A6.4B4.9B64.3A6.4B5.
6B$16.A8.4B5.6B67.A7.4B2.8B$17.3A6.4B2.8B76.15B$19.A7.15B75.14B$28.
14B76.13B$29.13B77.10B.B2A$30.10B.B2A77.3B2AB3.BA.A$32.3B2AB3.BA.A76.
3B2AB6.A$32.3B2AB6.A78.4B6.2A$34.4B6.2A77.3B$34.3B83.AB.2B$31.AB.2B
83.A.AB2AB$30.A.AB2AB82.A.ABABAB$30.A.ABABAB78.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$27.2A.A.
A.A.A2.A76.A2.A2.2A.4A$27.A2.A2.2A.4A78.2A4.A$29.2A4.A88.A.A$35.A.A
87.2A$36.2A!
#C [[ STEP 49 ]]
Maybe it will turn out to be handy to have a drop-in circuit substitution like this that does a four-tick adjustment and doesn't change the signal's output color the way L112 vs. L156 does.

Or maybe when that B turns into an H, the new glider output will be good for something? Have to get rid of the extra block, but that can be done in all kinds of ways, some of them with even better repeat time than this standard method:

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x = 74, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
35.A$35.3A$22.A15.A3.2A$3.2A17.3A12.2A4.A$4.A20.A11.5B.A.2A$3.A20.2A
3.B9.B2A.A2.A$3.2A19.8B6.BA.A.2A$4.B21.8B.4B2A$4.3B19.15B$3.6B16.15B$
2.10B11.17B$2.11B3.2B2.19B$2BC3B2A15BD15B$2B2C2B2A15BDBD4B.7B$.2B2C
18B3D4B2.6B$2.BC21BD12B$2.C28B.B2D2BD$4.13B.4B5.4B.2B3D2B$4.7B.B4.4B
6.5B.2BD4B$17.3B9.12B$30.12B$31.12B$32.7B.4B$33.6B2.4B$33.7B2.4B$33.
7B3.4B$33.8B.6B22.B$33.16B20.3D$33.17B19.BDB$33.18B17.2B3D$34.18B16.
5B$37.11B.4B14.7B$36.13B.4B5.2A5.8B$35.20B3.B2AB3.8B$33.B.21B3.3B2.9B
$29.2A.2A23B3.B2.4B.6B$30.A.A.B.30B.7B$28.A.A.A.A38B$28.2A3.2A.B.35B$
37.32B2A3B$37.32B2A2B$36.36B$34.A35B$32.3A2.7B.22B2.2B$31.A5.7B3.7B.
8B.2B2.B2AB$31.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2A$37.5B6.4B8.4B$35.2AB.2B7.4B7.B2A2B$
34.A.AB10.B2AB8.2A$34.A14.2A$33.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Freywa » March 16th, 2019, 12:05 pm

ec-16-3-19.zip
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ElementaryConduits_16March2019.rle
Conduit stamp collection, 16 March 2019
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The only new conduit added in this update is the bronco. The infrastructure of the collection, however, has undergone a major improvement.

The naming of the conduit files had become very messy after so many additions, so I wrote a script (sort_conduits.py) to impose a canonical ordering on the conduits based on their operating characteristics. The new file names for the conduits reflect this order.

More specifically, I rationalised the conduit names as consisting of one input descriptor and one or more output descriptors. The input descriptor is any one of BCDHLMPQRW or G with optional following integer (for tandem inputs). The output descriptor depends on whether it describes a spaceship or non-spaceship output:
  • A non-spaceship descriptor lists output orientation, transit time from the input object and object type.
  • A spaceship descriptor lists direction, lane number, temporal offset and object type (the last of which is the empty string for the glider).
Output descriptors are separated by underscores. A variant of a conduit is indicated by a lowercase letter after all output descriptors, and a new optional tag field comes at the end after a colon. This tag field can contain anything else pertinent to the conduit – name, catalysts used, etc. Even when the conduit itself did not change, I updated some names, especially those of the tandem-glider conduits, to match the canonical ordering.

I've also completed the renaming of the tandem glider input conduits, as well as the three conduits accepting a spaceship as input. This necessitated the following addition to the centre-cell diagram:

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x = 175, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
115.D2.3A4.3A$.3D7.3D6.D2.D7.2D7.3D7.3D8.2D7.D3.D6.2D7.D9.D3.D9.3D.A
8.A.3D$.D2.D6.D2.D5.D2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D3.D5.D2.D6.D9.2D.
2D10.D3.A6.A13.3A3.D3.3A$.D2.D6.D2.D5.D2.D6.D9.D2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D3.D
5.D9.D9.D.D.D35.A2.A5.A2.A$.3D7.3D6.4D6.D9.D2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D3.D5.D.
2D6.D9.D3.D14.D6.D13.A11.A5.5A7.5A$.D2.D6.D2.D5.D2.D6.D9.D2.D6.3D7.D
2.D6.D.D.D5.D2.D6.D9.D3.D35.A3.A3.A3.A5.A4.A2.D2.A4.A$.D2.D6.D2.D5.D
2.D6.D2.D6.D2.D6.D9.D.D7.2D.2D5.D2.D6.D9.D3.D13.3A4.3A2.D9.A11.A5.A6.
3D6.A$.D2.D6.3D6.D2.D7.2D7.3D7.D10.D.D6.D3.D6.2D7.4D6.D3.D9.3D.A8.A.
3D9.A.A5.A.A7.A3.A2.D2.A3.A$119.A6.A3.D30.A9.A$150.D$.4B136.3D5.3D6.D
15.D$6B144.D$8B111.A6.A3.D30.A9.A$10B104.3D.A8.A.3D9.A.A5.A.A7.A3.A5.
A3.A$10B4.2B2.2B40.D40.D16.3A4.3A2.D9.A11.A5.A6.3D6.A$2BD10BD7BD38.2D
27.D2.D6.D3.D36.A3.A3.A3.A5.A4.A5.A4.A$2BCD10BD6BDBD7.3D8.2D6.3D8.2D
9.2D7.D11.D10.D14.D6.D13.A11.A5.5A7.5A$B2D7B2.2BCD5BDCDB7.CD7.DCD7.CD
8.DCD8.CD7.CD6.D3.C5.D4.C35.A2.A5.A2.A$10B2.B2D8BD6.D.2D6.D2.D6.3D8.
2D8.2D7.3D7.4D6.5D10.D3.A6.A13.3A3.D3.3A$13BD8B8.2D8.D.D17.2D9.D42.3D
.A8.A.3D$15B.B24.D18.D54.D2.3A4.3A$5B.B3.B!
(The patterns on the right are a visual aid to obtain the conduit name from the conduit pattern.) For the bistable switch, I just took the boat-hitting input as the first glider and placed the other glider as far inwards as possible while maintaining the canonical orientation.

When new conduits are added, sort_conduits.py should be run (outside Golly) to restore the order. Then conduit_compiler.py should be run (inside Golly) to generate the new stamp collection; I've simplified the key function that sorts the input file names.

If I have missed any conduits in the intervening period, or simply have new conduits, please let me know.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by googoIpIex » March 20th, 2019, 10:38 pm

I used a weld to make this H-L:

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x = 101, y = 74, rule = LifeHistory
8$11.2A54.A$9.2B2AB51.3A$9.4B13.2A36.A$9.5B12.A28.2A7.2A$10.6B7.BA.A
27.B2A2B2.5B$9.7B3.3B.B2A29.4B.4B$8.16B30.11B$7.17B28.7B.5B$7.16B11.
2A15.8B.6B$5.19B9.B2AB15.15B$5.2A2.17B8.3B16.14B$6.A2.20B2.2B2.B17.
14B$3.3A4.15BD12B13.17B$3.A7.7B.4BDBD12B.2B.2B2.B3.19B$11.6B2.4B3D22B
2.19B$8.2B.6B2.4BD25B.19B$7.2A7B4.51B$7.2AB.33B2D39BD2BD.11B$8.B.32B
2DBD43BD11B$11.31BD42BD3BD11B$12.30B3D41B4D11B$13.88B$12.5B15.4B.40B$
12.5B16.16B3.25B$12.6B6.2A8.15B3.25BA.2A$7.2A.7BAB5.A9.14B4.24B.2A.A$
6.A.A7BABA2.BA.A9.16B3.22B$6.A3.6B2A2B.B2A11.12B.2A4.22B$5.2A3.12B13.
11B2.A5.22B$10.12B13.11B3.3A3.21B$10.12B14.10B5.A5.10B3D6B$8.2AB.9B
14.10B13.9BDBD6B$7.A.AB.10B14.9B14.8BDBD6B2A3.2A$7.A4.6B.4B13.6B.4B
11.18BA.A2.A$6.2A5.5B2.4B13.5B3.2A10.17B4.A4.A$14.3B4.4B10.5B5.A10.
17B5.6A$14.2B6.4B9.2A9.3A6.4B3.10B$13.4B6.4B9.A11.A5.4B4.10B8.4A$14.B
2AB6.4B5.3A17.4B6.9B7.A3.A$15.2A8.4B4.A18.4B7.10B6.2A$26.4B21.4B6.13B
2.5B$27.4B19.4B4.2B.18B$28.4B6.A10.4B4.2A19B2A$29.4B5.3A7.4B5.2AB.17B
2A$30.4B7.A5.4B7.B.17B.B$31.4B5.2A4.4B11.16B$32.4B4.9B13.14B$33.4B5.
6B13.4B2.8B$34.4B2.8B14.2B3.7B$35.15B10.2AB3.11B$36.14B11.A4.12B$37.
13B8.3AB4.12B$38.10B.B2A6.A8.11B$40.3B2AB3.BA.A12.4B.4B3CB$40.3B2AB6.
A12.2A4.4BC2B$42.4B6.2A12.A4.2B3C2B$42.3B18.3A6.6B$39.AB.2B19.A8.7B$
38.A.AB2AB$38.A.ABABAB$35.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$35.A2.A2.2A.4A$37.2A4.A$43.A.
A$44.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Freywa » March 20th, 2019, 10:50 pm

googoIpIex wrote:I used a weld to make this H-L:
Welds do not make new elementary conduits. Please do not discuss non-elementary conduits here.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by googoIpIex » March 20th, 2019, 10:59 pm

Ah, sorry.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by EdPeggJr » March 21st, 2019, 8:37 pm

If I looked at ElementaryConduits_17May2018.zip correctly, the table of enumerations looks like the following code table. No usages of D (dove) seem to be in the collection, but various mentions are in the thread. LOM and E also get mentions. There are also (non-useful?) conduits for SE (Schick engine).

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-> B .C .H .P .Q .R .W .Gn  
B .8 .. 18 .3 .. .4 .. .17  
C .3 .3  1 .1 .. .1 .. .10  
H 33 .4 25 .7 .1 13 .5 105  
P 12 .7 14 .2 .2 14 .6 .17  
Q .4 .. .6 .. .. .. .4 ..4  
R 11 .1 12 .3 .. .4 .. .14  
W .. .. .1 .. .. .. .. ..2  
G .. .. .7 .. .. .8 .. .25  

also P->L->G  and  H->M->G

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by A for awesome » April 16th, 2019, 9:02 pm

If someone knows of a less obtrusive B eater (which would replace the gray cell) than the standard block and eater 1, this would be a new R-to-H involving two known transparent components (one of them an unknown placement):

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x = 29, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
24.A$23.A.A$23.A.A$22.2A.3A$23.B4.A$21.B2AB3A$9.2A6.2AB.B2A.A$8.B2AB4.
A2BA2B$9.4B.B2.2A3B$10.13B$9.14B$8.13B.B2A$8.B2C9B2.BA.A$8.2B2C9B4.A$
8.2BC10B4.2A$8.11B$8.10B$8.8B$8.7B$8.8B$3.13B$.D11B2A2B$B3D9B2A2BF$.D
BD13B$3.D12B$5.2B2.2B2.B$12.3B$11.B2AB$12.2A!
Its utility would even then be somewhat questionable, because of the awkward input placement and the necessity of following it with a dependent conduit (which would constrict the input even more).
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by calcyman » April 17th, 2019, 5:00 am

A for awesome wrote:If someone knows of a less obtrusive B eater (which would replace the gray cell) than the standard block and eater 1
What's wrong with the standard block and eater 1? It seems to work:

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x = 29, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
24.A$23.A.A$23.A.A$22.2A.3A$23.B4.A$21.B2AB3A$9.2A6.2AB.B2A.A$8.B2AB
4.A2BA2B$9.4B.B2.2A3B$10.13B$9.14B$8.13B.B2A$8.B2C9B2.BA.A$8.2B2C9B4.
A$8.2BC10B4.2A$8.11B$8.10B$8.8B$8.7B$8.8B$3.14B$.D11B2A2B.B$B3D9B2A3B
2A$.DBD14B2A$3.D15B$5.2B2.2B2.B2.5B$12.3B4.2A$11.B2AB4.A$12.2A6.3A$
22.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Kazyan » May 19th, 2019, 1:24 am

A tight-turning HRxH:

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x = 41, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
17.2A$16.A.A$16.A$10.2A2.2A.4A$10.A2.A.A.A2.A$12.2A.AB2A2.2A$13.A.2A
2B2A2.A$13.A.AB2A2.2A.A$14.A3.B2A3.A$15.3A.A.3A$17.A3BA$18.3B$18.BAB$
18.BA.2B$17.6B$18.6B$18.6B$18.7B$18.8B$19.9B$18.11B10.2A$18.11B9.A.A$
18.12B8.A$18.5B2A5B.2B3.A.A$18.4BA2BA6B2A2.2A$18.5B2A7B2A$16.15B.B$
16.14B$15.11B$15.10B$15.11B8.A$9.A5.12B5.3A$9.3A3.13B3.A$12.A2.13B2.A
.A$11.2A4.10B4.A$11.4B3.9B$13.3B.9B$12.13B4.2A$11.14B4.2A$11.15B$10.
16B$10.16B$9.17B$7.19B$7.2BC16B2.A$6.3BCBC4B.9B.A.A$7.2B3C4B2.B.6B2.A
$6.5BC2D2B5.5B$5.8BDB5.B2A2B$4.4B4.3D4.AB.A.B2A$3.4B6.B4.A.2A2.BA.A$
2.4B12.A8.A$.4B14.3A5.2A$4B17.A!
It looks like a periodic conduit, but it's actually not, as far as circuitry is concerned. The p6 pipsquirter deletes an Annoying Beehive, but it works the same way regardless of relative timing. At worst, it takes 5 ticks longer to clean it up.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by dvgrn » May 19th, 2019, 8:13 am

Kazyan wrote:A tight-turning HRxH...
It looks like a periodic conduit, but it's actually not, as far as circuitry is concerned.
I thought maybe I could just put some kind of stable eater up there at the top, but apparently not.

You didn't mention how you get the Herschel out of there. Seems like pretty much every conduit has some kind of catalyst somewhere northeast of the Herschel, that gets in the way of the input Herschel's FNG. (?) (Except for F166, but that's hopeless also for different reasons.)

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by A for awesome » May 19th, 2019, 8:54 am

My best attempt at a stable completion:

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x = 31, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$21.A.A$22.A2$20.5A$20.A4.A$23.A2.A$23.2A.A2.A$20.A5.A.A.A$19.A.A
4.A2.A$7.A11.A2.A2.2A$7.3A10.2A$10.A$9.2A6.2A$16.A.A$17.A8$14.2A$13.A
2.A6.2A$14.2A7.2A5$25.A$A22.3A$3A19.A$3.A17.A.A$2.2A18.A3$20.2A$20.2A
6$C18.A$C.C15.A.A$3C16.A$2.C2D$4.D7.2A$3.3D4.A2.A2.2A$9.A.2A3.A.A$9.A
8.A$10.3A5.2A$12.A!
Restoring the bait boat in the original location seems to be a tricky proposition.
EDIT: Never mind, found a catalyst that works after remembering a very old post of mine:

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x = 26, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$12.A.A$12.A$9.2A.5A$8.A.A5.A$8.A.A.2A$6.2A.A.A.A$5.A3.A.A$5.2A.
2A.2A2.2A$9.A.A3.A.A$5.3A.A.A5.A$4.A2.A.2A6.2A$4.2A9$14.2A$13.A2.A6.2A
$14.2A7.2A5$25.A$A22.3A$3A19.A$3.A17.A.A$2.2A18.A3$20.2A$20.2A6$C18.A
$C.C15.A.A$3C16.A$2.C2D$4.D7.2A$3.3D4.A2.A2.2A$9.A.2A3.A.A$9.A8.A$10.
3A5.2A$12.A!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by calcyman » May 19th, 2019, 9:30 am

dvgrn wrote:You didn't mention how you get the Herschel out of there. Seems like pretty much every conduit has some kind of catalyst somewhere northeast of the Herschel, that gets in the way of the input Herschel's FNG. (?) (Except for F166, but that's hopeless also for different reasons.)
It works with an R64 + magic:

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x = 42, y = 67, rule = LifeHistory
29.2A$28.A.A$28.A$25.2A.5A$24.A.A5.A$24.A.A.2AB$22.2A.A.A.AB$21.A3.A.
A3B$21.2A.2A.2A.B2A$25.A.AB.BA.A$21.3ABABA5.A$20.A2.A.2A6.2A$20.2A2.
6B$27.4B$26.5B$25.7B$25.8B$26.9B$25.11B$25.11B$25.12B$25.5B2A5B.2B$
25.4BA2BA6B2A$25.5B2A7B2A$23.15B.B$23.14B$22.11B$22.10B$22.11B8.A$16.
A5.13B4.3A$16.3A3.15B.A$19.A2.15BA.A$18.2A4.11B.2BAB$18.4B3.9B3.2B$
20.3B.9B3.2B$19.13B3.B2AB$18.14B4.2A$18.15B$17.16B$17.16B$16.17B$14.
19B$14.2BC16B2.A$13.3BCBC14B.A.A$14.2B3C4B2.B.6B2.A$13.5BC4B5.5B$12.
11B4.B2A2B$11.12B3.AB.A.B2A$10.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A$9.14B2.A8.A$8.15B3.3A
5.2A$7.15B6.A$2A6.11B$A2.2A.14B$.A.A2.2A14B.B$2A2.AB2A21B$2.A.A2.23BD
$2.A.A2.21B3DB$3.A7.17BD.D$11.2A15BD$8.B.B2A6B2.2B2.2B$7.2A8B$7.2AB.
4B$8.B3.2B$13.2B$12.B2AB$13.2A!
When precomposed with an Fx77, you get a H-to-G16 in passing:

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x = 93, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory
56.2A$55.A.A$55.A$52.2A.5A$51.A.A5.A$51.A.A.2AB$49.2A.A.A.AB$48.A3.A.
A3B$48.2A.2A.2A.B2A$52.A.AB.BA.A$48.3ABABA5.A$47.A2.A.2A6.2A$47.2A2.
6B$54.4B$53.5B$52.7B$15.B36.8B$15.2B36.9B$15.3B34.11B$15.4B33.11B$4B
12.4B32.12B$.4B12.4B31.5B2A5B.2B$2.4B12.4B30.4BA2BA6B2A$3.4B12.4B29.
5B2A7B2A$4.4B12.4B26.15B.B$5.4B12.4B10.A14.14B$6.4B12.4B7.3A13.11B$7.
4B12.4B5.A16.10B$8.4B12.4B4.2A15.11B8.A$9.4B12.4B.4B9.A5.13B4.3A$10.
4B12.6B11.3A3.15B.A$11.4B12.6B13.A2.15BA.A$12.4B12.5B12.2A4.11B.2BAB$
13.4B11.6B11.4B3.9B3.2B$14.10B2.8B13.3B.9B3.2B$15.5BD14B11.13B3.B2AB$
16.2B3D15B9.14B4.2A$15.3BDBD4B.11B8.15B$16.2BD19B6.16B$16.18B.4B5.16B
$18.17B.4B3.17B$20.15B.24B$21.22BD16B2.A$21.8B.13BDBD14B.A.A$19.8B3.
2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A$19.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B5.5B$20.A10.19B4.B2A2B13.A$
17.3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B2A9.3A$17.A19.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A7.A$36.14B2.A8.A
7.2A$35.15B3.3A5.2A4.4B$34.17B4.A10.3B$27.2A6.11B2.4B14.4B$27.A2.2A.
14B2.4B12.5B15.2B$28.A.A2.2A14B.4B11.6B13.5B$27.2A2.AB2A26B2.8B12.7B$
29.A.A2.23BD14B10.8B$29.A.A2.21B3D13B11.9B$30.A7.17BDBD4B.7B12.10B$
38.2A15BD15B12.8BA$35.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B11.8BABA$34.2A8B11.17B8.10BABA$
34.2AB.4B15.15B.2B2.14BAB$35.B3.2B17.22BD11B$40.2B16.8B.13BDBD9B$39.B
2AB13.8B3.2B2A9B3D7B$40.2A14.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD7B$57.A10.18B2.B$54.3A12.
B.3B.4B$54.A19.4B$73.4B$72.4B$71.4B$71.3B$71.2B$68.2A$67.A.A$67.A$66.
2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Scorbie » May 19th, 2019, 10:58 pm

Somewhat of an improvement, from Golly's eater-stamp-collection.

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x = 42, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
21.2A$22.A$22.A.2A$19.2A.A.A.A2.2A$19.A2.A.ABA3.A$21.A.ABA.3A$20.2A.A
.A.A$19.A2.BABABA$18.A.4A.2A$18.A.B.8B$17.2A.2A5.4B$20.A5.5B$20.A.A2.
7B$21.2A2.8B$26.9B$25.11B$25.11B$25.12B$25.5B2A5B.2B$25.4BA2BA6B2A$
25.5B2A7B2A$23.15B.B$23.14B$22.11B$22.10B$22.11B8.A$16.A5.13B4.3A$16.
3A3.15B.A$19.A2.15BA.A$18.2A4.11B.2BAB$18.4B3.9B3.2B$20.3B.9B3.2B$19.
13B3.B2AB$18.14B4.2A$18.15B$17.16B$17.16B$16.17B$14.19B$14.2BC16B2.A$
13.3BCBC14B.A.A$14.2B3C4B2.B.6B2.A$13.5BC4B5.5B$12.11B4.B2A2B$11.12B
3.AB.A.B2A$10.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A$9.14B2.A8.A$8.15B3.3A5.2A$7.15B6.A$2A6.
11B$A2.2A.14B$.A.A2.2A14B.B$2A2.AB2A21B$2.A.A2.23BD$2.A.A2.21B3DB$3.A
7.17BD.D$11.2A15BD$8.B.B2A6B2.2B2.2B$7.2A8B$7.2AB.4B$8.B3.2B$13.2B$
12.B2AB$13.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Jormungant » May 20th, 2019, 3:38 am

calcyman wrote:When precomposed with an Fx77, you get a H-to-G16 in passing:

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x = 93, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory
56.2A$55.A.A$55.A$52.2A.5A$51.A.A5.A$51.A.A.2AB$49.2A.A.A.AB$48.A3.A.
A3B$48.2A.2A.2A.B2A$52.A.AB.BA.A$48.3ABABA5.A$47.A2.A.2A6.2A$47.2A2.
6B$54.4B$53.5B$52.7B$15.B36.8B$15.2B36.9B$15.3B34.11B$15.4B33.11B$4B
12.4B32.12B$.4B12.4B31.5B2A5B.2B$2.4B12.4B30.4BA2BA6B2A$3.4B12.4B29.
5B2A7B2A$4.4B12.4B26.15B.B$5.4B12.4B10.A14.14B$6.4B12.4B7.3A13.11B$7.
4B12.4B5.A16.10B$8.4B12.4B4.2A15.11B8.A$9.4B12.4B.4B9.A5.13B4.3A$10.
4B12.6B11.3A3.15B.A$11.4B12.6B13.A2.15BA.A$12.4B12.5B12.2A4.11B.2BAB$
13.4B11.6B11.4B3.9B3.2B$14.10B2.8B13.3B.9B3.2B$15.5BD14B11.13B3.B2AB$
16.2B3D15B9.14B4.2A$15.3BDBD4B.11B8.15B$16.2BD19B6.16B$16.18B.4B5.16B
$18.17B.4B3.17B$20.15B.24B$21.22BD16B2.A$21.8B.13BDBD14B.A.A$19.8B3.
2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A$19.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B5.5B$20.A10.19B4.B2A2B13.A$
17.3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B2A9.3A$17.A19.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A7.A$36.14B2.A8.A
7.2A$35.15B3.3A5.2A4.4B$34.17B4.A10.3B$27.2A6.11B2.4B14.4B$27.A2.2A.
14B2.4B12.5B15.2B$28.A.A2.2A14B.4B11.6B13.5B$27.2A2.AB2A26B2.8B12.7B$
29.A.A2.23BD14B10.8B$29.A.A2.21B3D13B11.9B$30.A7.17BDBD4B.7B12.10B$
38.2A15BD15B12.8BA$35.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B11.8BABA$34.2A8B11.17B8.10BABA$
34.2AB.4B15.15B.2B2.14BAB$35.B3.2B17.22BD11B$40.2B16.8B.13BDBD9B$39.B
2AB13.8B3.2B2A9B3D7B$40.2A14.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD7B$57.A10.18B2.B$54.3A12.
B.3B.4B$54.A19.4B$73.4B$72.4B$71.4B$71.3B$71.2B$68.2A$67.A.A$67.A$66.
2A!
One can glue that Fx77 at the begining to deal with that last tricky glider, can be serialized indefinitly too:

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x = 207, y = 152, rule = LifeHistory
2$38.2A$39.A$39.A.2A$36.2A.A.A.A2.2A$36.A2.A.ABA3.A$38.A.ABA.3A$37.2A
.A.A.A$36.A2.BABABA$35.A.4A.2A$35.A.B.8B$34.2A.2A5.4B$37.A5.5B$37.A.A
2.7B$38.2A2.8B$43.9B$42.11B$42.11B$42.12B$42.5B2A5B.2B$42.4BA2BA6B2A$
42.5B2A7B2A$40.15B.B18.2A$40.14B22.A$39.11B26.A.2A$39.10B24.2A.A.A.A
2.2A$39.11B8.A14.A2.A.ABA3.A$33.A5.13B4.3A16.A.ABA.3A$33.3A3.15B.A18.
2A.A.A.A$36.A2.15BA.A16.A2.BABABA$27.B7.2A4.11B.2BAB15.A.4A.2A$27.2A
6.4B3.9B3.2B16.A.B.8B$27.2A8.3B.9B3.2B16.2A.2A5.4B$5.5BC2B8.4B2.B7.
14B3.B2AB18.A5.5B$5.3B3C6B5.4B9.14B4.2A19.A.A2.7B$5.3BCBC4B.B6.4B8.
15B25.2A2.8B$5.3BC19B6.16B30.9B$5.19B.4B5.16B29.11B$8.17B.4B3.17B29.
11B$10.15B.24B29.12B$10.23BD16B2.A26.5B2A5B.2B$11.2B3.17BDBD14B.A.A
25.4BA2BA6B2A$9.4B3.6B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A26.5B2A7B2A$9.2A5.6B2A11BD4B5.
5B27.15B.B18.2A$10.A5.24B4.B2A2B28.14B22.A$7.3A6.11B.12B3.AB.A.B2A25.
11B26.A.2A$7.A8.5B.B4.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A24.10B24.2A.A.A.A2.2A$26.14B2.A
8.A24.11B8.A14.A2.A.ABA3.A$25.15B3.3A5.2A4.B12.A5.13B4.3A16.A.ABA.3A$
24.17B4.A24.3A3.15B.A18.2A.A.A.A$17.2A6.11B2.4B31.A2.15BA.A16.A2.BABA
BA$17.A2.2A.14B2.4B21.B7.2A4.11B.2BAB15.A.4A.2A$18.A.A2.2A14B.4B19.B
2A6.4B3.9B3.2B16.A.B.8B$17.2A2.AB2A26B2.B9.B2A7.4B.9B3.2B16.2A.2A5.4B
$19.A.A2.23BD6B10.B7.14B3.B2AB18.A5.5B$19.A.A2.21B3D6B18.14B4.2A19.A.
A2.7B$20.A7.17BDBD4B.11B8.15B25.2A2.8B$28.2A15BD19B6.16B30.9B$25.B.B
2A6B2.2B2.19B.4B5.16B29.11B$24.2A8B11.17B.4B3.17B29.11B$24.2AB.4B15.
15B.24B29.12B$25.B3.2B17.22BD16B2.A26.5B2A5B.2B$30.2B16.8B.13BDBD14B.
A.A25.4BA2BA6B2A$29.B2AB13.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A26.5B2A7B2A$30.2A
14.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B5.5B27.15B.B18.2A$47.A10.19B4.B2A2B28.14B22.A$44.
3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B2A25.11B26.A.2A$44.A19.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A24.10B24.
2A.A.A.A2.2A$63.14B2.A8.A24.11B8.A14.A2.A.ABA3.A$62.15B3.3A5.2A17.A5.
13B4.3A16.A.ABA.3A$61.17B4.A24.3A3.15B.A18.2A.A.A.A$54.2A6.11B2.4B31.
A2.15BA.A16.A2.BABABA$54.A2.2A.14B2.4B21.B7.2A4.11B.2BAB15.A.4A.2A$
55.A.A2.2A14B.4B20.2A6.4B3.9B3.2B16.A.B.8B$54.2A2.AB2A26B2.B10.2A7.4B
.9B3.2B16.2A.2A5.4B$56.A.A2.23BD6B10.B7.14B3.B2AB18.A5.5B$56.A.A2.21B
3D6B18.14B4.2A19.A.A2.7B$57.A7.17BDBD4B.B18.15B25.2A2.8B$65.2A15BD19B
6.16B30.9B$62.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B.4B5.16B29.11B$61.2A8B11.17B.4B3.17B29.
11B$61.2AB.4B15.15B.24B29.12B$62.B3.2B17.22BD16B2.A26.5B2A5B.2B$67.2B
16.8B.13BDBD14B.A.A25.4BA2BA6B2A$66.B2AB13.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A26.
5B2A7B2A$67.2A14.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B5.5B27.15B.B18.2A$84.A10.19B4.B2A2B
28.14B22.A$81.3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B2A25.11B26.A.2A$81.A19.13B2.A.2A2.
BA.A24.10B24.2A.A.A.A2.2A$100.14B2.A8.A24.11B8.A14.A2.A.ABA3.A$99.15B
3.3A5.2A4.B12.A5.13B4.3A16.A.ABA.3A$98.17B4.A10.B13.3A3.15B.A18.2A.A.
A.A$91.2A6.11B2.4B14.B16.A2.15BA.A16.A2.BABABA$91.A2.2A.14B2.4B12.2B
7.B7.2A4.11B.2BAB15.A.4A.2A$92.A.A2.2A14B.4B11.2B6.B2A6.4B3.9B3.2B16.
A.B.8B$91.2A2.AB2A26B2.4B6.B2A7.4B.9B3.2B16.2A.2A5.4B$93.A.A2.23BD9B
7.B7.14B3.B2AB18.A5.5B$93.A.A2.21B3D9B15.14B4.2A19.A.A2.7B$94.A7.17BD
BD4B.11B8.15B25.2A2.8B$102.2A15BD19B6.16B30.9B$99.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B.4B
5.16B29.11B$98.2A8B11.17B.4B3.17B29.11B$98.2AB.4B15.15B.24B29.12B$99.
B3.2B17.22BD16B2.A26.5B2A5B.2B$104.2B16.8B.13BDBD14B.A.A25.4BA2BA6B2A
$103.B2AB13.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A26.5B2A7B2A$104.2A14.2A3.B5.2B2A
11BD4B5.5B27.15B.B$121.A10.19B4.B2A2B28.14B$118.3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B
2A25.11B$118.A19.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A24.10B$137.14B2.A8.A24.11B8.A$136.15B
3.3A5.2A17.A5.13B4.3A$135.17B4.A24.3A3.15B.A$128.2A6.11B2.4B31.A2.15B
A.A$128.A2.2A.14B2.4B21.B7.2A4.11B.2BAB$129.A.A2.2A14B.4B20.2A6.4B3.
9B3.2B$128.2A2.AB2A26B2.B10.2A7.4B.9B3.2B$130.A.A2.23BD6B10.B7.14B3.B
2AB$130.A.A2.21B3D6B18.14B4.2A$131.A7.17BDBD4B.B18.15B$139.2A15BD19B
6.16B$136.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B.4B5.16B$135.2A8B11.17B.4B3.17B$135.2AB.4B
15.15B.24B$136.B3.2B17.22BD16B2.A$141.2B16.8B.13BDBD14B.A.A$140.B2AB
13.8B3.2B2A9B3D4B2.B.6B2.A$141.2A14.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD4B5.5B$158.A10.19B
4.B2A2B$155.3A12.B.3B.12B3.AB.A.B2A$155.A19.13B2.A.2A2.BA.A$174.14B2.
A8.A$173.15B3.3A5.2A$172.17B4.A$165.2A6.11B2.4B$165.A2.2A.14B2.4B$
166.A.A2.2A14B.4B$165.2A2.AB2A23B$167.A.A2.23BD$167.A.A2.21B3D$168.A
7.17BDBD$176.2A15BD2B$173.B.B2A6B2.2B2.6B$172.2A8B$172.2AB.4B$173.B3.
2B$178.2B$177.B2AB$178.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Kazyan » May 31st, 2019, 10:27 pm

A new fast way to delete B's natural block with its Herschel's FNG (or a BF20H conduit in signal-ese), with a useful amount of clearance:

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x = 36, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
26.3B$25.6B$24.8B$25.9B$24.11B$22.14B$15.2B2.16B$14.C7BD11B$12.3BC6BD
BD4B.3B$11.4B2C5B3D4B2.B$11.3B2C8BD4B$11.3BC13B$13.3B.4B$12.3B.4B$10.
9B$9.9B$9.9B$3.2A2.13B$3.A2.5BA9B$2A.A.5BABA8B$A2.3A.3BABA8B$.2A2.BA
2B.BA11B$3.4A2B3.3B3.2B.2A$3.A.4B.7B4.A$.A.A.2A3.2A.B.2A5.3A$.2A2.A5.
A3.A8.A$5.A.A.A.A.A.A.A$6.2A.2A.A.A.2A$12.A.A$12.A.A$13.A!
EDIT: If course, I spoke too soon. There are only a handful of conduits with B outputs that can accommodate that drifter-like catalyst. It's a handful more than we had before, though.
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Scorbie » July 21st, 2019, 12:08 am

Here's a quote by Jourmungant from the unsure discoveries thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=576&p=79886#p79886
Jormungant wrote:Interaction of p16 with g-to-mwss handles the hive cleanup.

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x = 149, y = 91, rule = LifeHistory
95.6B$96.6B$36.2A57.6B$36.A2B.2A54.6B$35.B.2B2.A53.6B$35.BA.3A55.6B$
35.2ABA2.3A51.6B$29.2A4.2A2.A.A2.A51.6B$28.A2.A3.B4A.2B2A2.A6.2A39.6B
$27.A2.A.AB6.BAB2.3A5.A.3A11.2A25.6B$12.2A10.A2.3A.BAB3.B2A.2B2A8.A4.
A9.A.A24.6B$12.A11.3A3.3BA3.2A.2A3.A3.A2.2A3.A.B.A.2AB2.A27.6B$.2A11.
A12.BA.ABA4.2A.B.3A3.A.A5.A.2A7B2A26.6B$.A.A9.2A2.A2.A3.3AB.B8.2A2BA
5.A.7A3.4BABA29.6B$3.A2.2AB.B.A2.6A3.A2.BA7.AB.B.B7.A3.B3.AB3AB.BA.2A
26.6B$3.4A2B6A10.2AB.A6.2B.BA10.AB.B2A.BAB.4ABA.A26.6B$5.BABA3B3.8A3.
3B.2B4.2A.BAB8.2A.BA.2AB3.A7.A24.6B$3.2A.2A.3B3A3.B3.A4.ABA.AB2.BA.2B
A7.2BA.3BABA5.7A26.6B$2.A.2A2B2A.A2B.B2A.BA7.AB3A2.BABA9.2B3AB2AB2A5.
A2.A27.6B$.A7.B3.3B.AB.2A7.B.2B3.AB4.3B.BA2B2AB.3A3B2.A33.6B$2.7A5.AB
4A.2BA7.2B6.7BA3BAB.BA3.BA2.2A31.6B$4.A2.A5.BA3B3A3B8.BA3.BA3BA2B3AB.
A.A2.4A37.6B$9.A2.3A2BA.5BAB.3B.BAB2.A5BA2B3AB2A2B2A40.6B$8.2A2.AB3.A
B.BAB2A3BA3BA2BA.5BA2B3AB.A.A2.4A37.6B$13.4A2.A.A.2A2BABA5BABA8BA3BAB
.BA3.BA2.2A31.6B$17.4A2B2A5BA3B2ABAB2A.3B.BA2B2AB.3A3B2.A33.6B$13.4A
2.A.A.2A2BABA9B9.2B3AB2AB2A5.A2.A27.6B$8.2A2.AB3.AB.BAB2A3BA5B2.4B8.
2BA.3BABA5.7A26.6B$9.A2.3A2BA.5BAB.3B.3B3.BABA9.2A.BA.2AB3.A7.A24.6B$
4.A2.A5.BA3B3A3B7.B6.B2AB9.AB.B2A.BAB.4ABA.A26.6B$2.7A5.AB4A.2BA7.B7.
A3B6.A3.B3.AB3AB.BA.2A26.6B$.A7.B3.3B.AB.2A8.3A7.4B4.A.7A3.4BABA29.6B
$2.A.2A2B2A.A2B.B2A.BA7.A.B2A8.4B3.A.A5.A.2A7B2A26.2B3AB$3.2A.2A.3B3A
3.B3.A5.3AB10.BABA3.A2.2A3.A.B.A.2AB2.A27.BA2BAB$5.BABA3B3.8A3.2A3.2A
10.B2AB6.A4.A9.A.A24.2BA3B$3.4A2B6A10.A2.5A11.A3B5.A.3A11.2A25.BA3BA$
3.A2.2AB.B.A2.6A4.2A.A.A4.B5.B.6B5.2A5.2A32.2BA3B$.A.A9.2A2.A2.A7.A5.
3B3.10B10.BA2BA31.2BABAB$.2A11.A13.2A2.4BA3.A7BABA10.4B30.6B$12.A18.
4BA.A.A.A4B2.B2AB9.A2BA31.6B$12.2A17.5B2A.2A5B3.A3B7.A2BA31.6B$31.7B.
7B4.4B6.ABAB32.6B$31.2B3A2B.2B3A2B5.4B4.2BAB32.6B$31.BA4BA.A4BAB6.BAB
A3.4B33.6B$31.A5BA.A5BA7.B2A2B.2B2AB31.6B$31.BA4BA.A4BAB8.A4B2.2A33.
6B$31.B2A2B.A.A.2B2AB9.4B10.A16.4B3.8B$32.5B3.5B11.4B7.3A17.3B4.8B$
34.3A3.3A14.4B5.A21.2B5.6B$35.B5.B16.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B$51.2A6.9B17.6B4.
7B$52.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B$52.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.11B3A13B$53.A2.A4.27B3A
14B$54.2AB3.28B2A5B2A9B$55.5B2A21B2A3B2A4BA2B2A8B$56.6BA2B2A16B2A3B2A
B5A2BA8B$57.BA5BA26B3A4BA9B2.2A3.2A5.2B$57.A2BA2B2A3BA5B.B5.6BA2BA2B
5A12B2AB2.ABA2.6B$58.5BA5BA3B10.B2.2B3A3B2A16B4.BA3BA4B$58.A10BA3B13.
19B.10B.2B2A4B2A$59.A7B2A3B14.17B4.9BA3B2A3B2A$61.5B2A6B12.18B4.BABA
2B.BABA5B.B$60.BA6B4.2A.A11.5B.11B4.2B2A5B3A4B$60.2AB2AB6.2AB3A9.4B2.
12B4.BA2BAB2.4B.2B$60.2AB2A8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.3B2A2B2.B.4B.2A$60.B.A
9.2A.3A21.BABA2B3.2A3BAB5.B2A.2BA$61.2AB9.A.A24.2A2B3.A2B.2AB5.BA3B2A
$60.B2AB9.A.A26.B4.2A.4B.B2.2B2A3B$61.2A11.A35.2B.4B2.BA2BAB$110.4B3A
5B2A2B$108.B.5BABAB.2BABAB$107.2A3B2A3BA9B$107.2A4B2A2B.9B$108.4BA3BA
B4.4B$108.6B2.ABA2.B2A2B$110.2B5.2A3.2A!
this makes p400+16X gun (...)
and p80 too ^^ (...)
Thought this was "sure" enough for intruduction here.
The following is a p4 variant of the H-MWSS. Other periods may be possible, but I couldn't find any oscillators with enough clearance.

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x = 73, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
22b3o$22b3o$22b3o10bo$25b3o5b3o$25b3o4bo$25b3o4b2o2$30bo$29bobo$30b2o
2b2o$34b2o4$33b2o$32b2o$34bo2$9bo$9b3o$12bo$11b2o3$2ob2o29bo$2obo29bob
o$3bo28bo2bo2b2o$3b3o4b2o19bo6b2o$b2o3bo3b2o2bo16b2ob4o$o2b4o6b3o17b2o
2b5o$2obo9b2o4b2o3b2o3b4obo6bo$bo2b3o12bobobobo2bo4bobob2o$bo5bo13bobo
5b3obob3obo$2b5o14bo2bo6bob6obo30b2o$4bo17bobo8bo6bo12b2o14bob2o$23bo
13b2ob2o10b2o14bo$32bob4obo14bo16bo$33b3obobo27b2obo$38bo28b2o$39b3o$
26bo14bo22bo$25b3o35bobo$24b2ob2o34b2o$23b2o3b2o37b2o$24b2ob2o38bobo$
18b2o42b2o5bo$17bobo42b2o5b2o$17bo$16b2o3$33b2obo$33b2ob3o$39bo8bo$33b
2ob3o8b2o$34bobo9bo$34bobo8b2o$35bo10bo3bo3b2o$54b2o$23b2o$23bo2bo27bo
$23bobo16b2o9bobo$24bo18bo9bo2bo$23b2o15b3o11bo2bo$40bo$24bo2b2o25bo2b
o$25b3o26b2o$26bo9$13b2o$12b2ob3o$13b5o$14b3o19b2o$25bo8bo2bo$29bo5b2o
$25b2o3bo$26b4o$28b2o2$30b2o2$27bo6bo$23b2obo8bob2o$22bo5b6o5bo$22bobo
3bo4bo3bobo$23bo3b3o2b3o3bo$20b3o2b2o2bo2bo2b2o2b3o$20bo2b3o3b4o3b3o2b
o$22bo2bo2b2o2b2o2bo2bo$21b2o2bobo6bobo2b2o$22bobo2b8o2bobo$22bobobob
6obobobo$21b2obobo8bobob2o$23bob3o6b3obo$23bo14bo$24b6o2b6o$26bo2bo2bo
2bo!
Edit: And here's an experimental MWSS-powered p860+8N gun, but due to the fast speed I believe this class of guns would not make any records.

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x = 82, y = 106, rule = LifeHistory
41.2A$41.A.A$43.A4.2A$39.4A.2A2.A2.A$39.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$41.BABABA.A$42.
B2ABA.A$43.2B.BA$42.3B$33.2A6.4B$34.A6.B2A3B27.A$34.A.AB3.B2A3B26.A.A
$35.2AB.10B23.A.AB2.2A$37.13B21.A.2A3.BA$5.A2.A.2A.A2.A20.5B3D6B20.2A
.3AB$5.4A.2A.4A20.7BD7B21.2B2.5A$3.2A12.2A20.4BD3B2.4B7.A8.4A.BAB4.A$
2.A3.2A.4A.2A3.A19.6B5.4B6.3A5.A4.A.A.2A$3.3A.A.A2.A.A.3A19.9B4.4B8.A
5.3A.A.B2A.A$5.A.A.A2.A.A.A8.2A10.4B4.2A5.4B6.A.A6.A.BA4B.A$5.B10AB9.
A9.4B5.A7.4B5.A.AB6.BA.A2BA.A$6.B8.B8.A10.4B7.3A5.4B5.A3B5.2A5B.2A$6.
B8AB8.5A5.4B5.3A3.A5.4B6.4B3.6A.A$2.2A3.A6.A3.2A9.A3.5B5.A2.3A7.4B5.
6B2.3B.A.A$2.A2.3B.4A.3B2.A6.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.A10.4B4.7B2.B3.A$3.4A.2A2.
2A.4A6.A.2B3.7B.B2A15.4B2.8B.2B4.3A$5.3B6.3B8.4A7B2D3B18.16B6.A$3.3AB
.6B.B3A4.2A2.BA3B2A2BDBD2B19.16B$2.A2.A.2AB2AB2A.A2.A2.A2.3AB.2B2A2BD
4B19.17B$2.2A2.2A.A2BA.2A2.2A2.2A.A.B3.10B19.18B$6.BA.A2BA.AB9.A8.8B
18.4BCBC12B$7.BAB2ABAB10.2A7.9B15.2AB.3B2C7B2.4B$9.4B22.3B2.4B13.A.AB
2.2BC8B3.4B$10.2B2.B18.5B3.4B12.A5.10B5.4B$11.6B16.2A7.4B10.2A5.2B2A
6B6.3B$12.6B16.A8.4B15.3B2A6B7.2B$5.3B3.8B12.3A10.4B15.10B8.B$4.6B.9B
11.A13.4B14.8B.B2A.A$3.2BA15B25.4B12.7B3.B2AB3A$4.ABA16B.B.B.B.B.B.B.
B.B.B.B.B.5B11.6B6.B4.A$4.2A47B10.6B4.2A.3A$5.17B5D21B5DB.B7.5B6.A.A$
7.14BD4BD20BD4BD2B2A5.6B6.A.A$6.20BD25BD2B2A5.6B7.A$6.15BD3BD21BD3BDB
2.B5.7B$6.16B.D.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.D2.2B7.7B$6.14B31.B2A7.8B$7.
13B32.A.A.2A3.8B$9.11B30.A.A.2A.A4.8B$8.13B29.2A10.3B2A2B$7.15B38.5B
2A2B$7.16B37.13B$7.17B35.16B$7.16B35.17B$9.13B37.16B$13.2B2A5B38.15B$
13.2B2A3B10.2A29.13B$12.8B4.A.2A.A.A30.11B$13.8B3.2A.A.A32.13B$13.8B
7.2AB31.14B$14.7B7.2B2.D.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.D.16B$14.7B5.B2.BD3B
D21BD3BD15B$6.A7.6B5.2A2BD25BD20B$5.A.A6.6B5.2A2BD4BD20BD4BD14B$5.A.A
6.5B7.B.B5D21B5D17B$3.3A.2A4.6B10.47B2A$2.A4.B6.6B11.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B
.B.B.B.B.16BABA$3.3AB2AB3.7B12.4B25.15BA2B$5.A.2AB.8B14.4B13.A11.9B.
6B$B8.10B15.4B10.3A12.8B3.3B$2B7.6B2A3B15.4B8.A16.6B$3B6.6B2A2B5.2A
10.4B7.2A16.6B$4B5.10B5.A12.4B3.5B18.B2.2B$.4B3.8BD2B2.BA.A13.4B2.3B
22.4A$2.4B2.7B2D3B.B2A15.9B7.2A10.8A$3.12BDBD4B18.8B8.A9.BA.4B.AB$4.
18B19.10B3.B.A.2A2.2A2.2B.4B.2B2.2A$5.17B19.4BD2B2A2B.B3A2.A2.A2.A.8A
.A2.A$6.16B19.2BDBD2B2A3BAB2.2A4.2A2B.6A.2B2A$A6.16B18.3B2D7B4A8.B2A
6.2AB$3A4.2B.8B2.4B15.2AB.7B3.2B.A6.2A2B.2A2.2A.2B2A$3.A3.A2.7B4.4B
10.A2.A.AB.7B2.B3A6.A2.ABA.4A.ABA2.A$2.A.A.2BA2.6B5.4B7.3A2.A5.5B3.A
9.2A3.B6.B3.2A$2.A.6B3.4B6.4B5.A3.3A5.4B5.5A8.10A$2A.2AB3AB5.3BA5.4B
5.3A7.4B10.A8.A8.A$.A.3BA.2A6.BA.A5.4B7.A5.4B9.A9.3A2B2A2B3A$.A.A4BA.
A6.A.A6.4B5.2A4.4B10.2A8.A.A.A2.A.A.A$2.A.3B.A.3A5.A8.4B4.9B19.3A.A.A
2.A.A.3A$3.2A.A.A4.A5.3A6.4B5.6B19.A3.2A.4A.2A3.A$A4.2AB.4A8.A7.4B2.
3BD4B20.2A12.2A$5A2.2B21.7BD7B20.4A.2A.4A$4.B3A.2A20.6B3D5B20.A2.A.2A
.A2.A$2.AB3.2A.A21.13B$2.2A2.BA.A23.10B.B2A$6.A.A26.3B2AB3.BA.A$7.A
27.3B2AB6.A$37.4B6.2A$37.3B$34.AB.2B$33.A.AB2AB$33.A.ABABAB$30.2A.A.A
.A.A2.A$30.A2.A2.2A.4A$32.2A4.A$38.A.A$39.2A!
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by dvgrn » July 21st, 2019, 7:49 am

Scorbie wrote:The following is a p4 variant of the H-MWSS. Other periods may be possible, but I couldn't find any oscillators with enough clearance...
The p8 bouncers make that one period 8, but it can be converted to period 4 by substituting bumpers. Here it is as a glider gun/Herschel factory, (p412+8N)/(odd k):

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x = 88, y = 71, rule = LifeHistory
23.2A3.2A$23.2A2.A.3A$27.A4.A$23.4A.2A2.A$23.A2.A.A.A.2A38.B$25.BABAB
A.A38.2AB.2B$26.B2ABA.A38.2A5B$27.2B.BA40.7B$26.3B43.8B$17.2A6.4B44.
7B$18.A6.B2A3B42.8B$18.A.AB3.B2A3B42.9B$19.2AB.10B40.9B$21.13B39.9B$
21.14B38.9B$21.15B36.11B$23.8B2.4B10.A24.11B$23.6B5.4B7.3A24.12B$22.
9B4.4B5.A21.B4.14B$21.4B4.2A5.4B4.2A19.3B3.10B.4B$.2A17.4B5.A7.9B17.
6B2.16B$2.A16.4B7.3A5.6B13.4B2.7B.17B$2.A.AB12.4B11.A5.6B3.B2.2B2.29B
.3B$3.A.2A.B8.4B9.2AB.A4.19BD25B2.2B$4.6A6.4B9.A2.2AB3.6BA13BDBD23B3.
B$2.4B.3A5.4B10.2A2.9BABA2B2A9B3DB2A21B$2.2A4.B5.4B16.9B2A2B2A11BDB2A
21B$3.A4.2B3.4B18.51B$3A5.2B2.4B14.A4.17B.B5.26B$A6.BA6B14.A.A4.15B
10.B2.20B$6.BABA4B15.A.A4.15B12.20B.B.B$6.A2BA3B13.2A.A.2A4.13B12.24B
2A$5.2B2A5B11.A.A.A3.BAB3.13B10.24B2A$5.10B9.A.B.A.3AB2AB.8B4.2A.A6.
2AB2.5B2.12B.2B$5.6B.4B7.A.2B3A2.B.10B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.13B$3.2AB.3B
3.4B7.2A.A.2A2B2A2B3.4B7.B4.A2.A14.11B.B$2.A.AB2.B5.4B9.A.B.2B3A5.4B
5.2A.3A2.2A14.12B2A$2.A12.4B8.2A.2ABABAB5.4B5.A.A20.10B.B2A$.2A13.4B
5.2A.A.A.B2A2.A5.4B4.A.A18.2AB.6B4.B$17.4B4.2A.A2.A3.2A.A5.4B4.A8.2A
8.A.AB.4B$18.4B6.A3.3A3.A6.4B12.A9.A5.5B$19.4B5.2A4.A3.2A6.4B5.B2.BA.
A8.2A8.2A$20.4B23.4B3.3B.B2A19.A$21.4B23.4B.6B22.3A$22.4B23.10B24.A$
23.4B23.5B2A2B$24.4B23.3BA2BA$25.4B21.4BABAB$26.4B19.6BAB6.A$27.4B17.
4B2.2B5.3A$28.4B15.4B3.2B4.A$29.4B13.4B5.B4.BA$30.4B11.4B5.2AB.A2BA$
31.4B9.4B6.2A2BAB$32.4B7.4B8.B.BA.A$33.4B5.4B12.BA.A$34.4B3.4B16.A$
35.4B.4B17.2A$36.7B$37.5B$37.6B$32.2A.3B2A4B$31.B2A3BA2BA4B$32.2B3.BA
BA3B$31.BA5.BA3B$30.B2AB6.5B$30.A.2B9.2A$31.A.B2A7.A$28.3A2.BA.A7.3A$
28.A7.A9.A$36.2A!
It won't break any glider-gun records, but might come in handy for building shotguns or something, by adding a dependent conduit and then an edge-shooter.

We haven't ever done any kind of thorough collection of periodic circuitry. Hersrch had various periodic components available for cases where that improved the bounding box, but by the time elementary conduits came along it wasn't clear where to collect periodic stuff.

There would be thousands of periodic conduits by now if we were paying attention, no doubt. Seems like their main use would be in the gun collection, but it's not clear that they would improve things very often.

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2019, 3:08 pm

A for awesome wrote:
October 4th, 2019, 3:42 pm
AbhpzTa wrote:
October 4th, 2019, 3:30 pm
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
October 4th, 2019, 3:03 am
Can a catalyst replace the block?

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x = 20, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$7b2o3$8bo$2o6bo$b2o5b3o$2o8bo5b2obo$o15bob2o2$9b2o$9b2o16$8b3o$8b
o$7b2o!

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x = 20, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
14bo$12b3o$4b2o5bo$2b3obo4b2o$bo4bo$2b3obob2o$4bobo2bo$7b2o3$8bo$2o6bo
$b2o5b3o$2o8bo5b2obo$o15bob2o2$9b2o$9b2o16$8b3o$8bo$7b2o!
That's incredible! That catalyst will have a ton of utility in other places (along with the loaf + big random SL catalyst from my attempts, which is the same interaction but has different clearance). Just as an example, here's a trivial H catalyst (both variants):

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x = 38, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
11b2o24bo$12bo22b3o$12bob2o11b2o5bo$10b3obo10b3obo4b2o$4bo4bo4bo9bo4bo
$3bobo3b5ob2o8b3obob2o$3bo2bo6bobo11bobo2bo$4b2o3b2obo3bo13b2o$9bo3b3o
$10b2obo$11bo$11bobo$12b2o$b3o23b3o$2bo25bo$3o23b3o!
This is just the first example I could find — in my various attempts to find conduits, this type of interaction (for which a ship+eater irritatingly doesn't quite work) occurs quite frequently, maybe just slightly less often than the ship+eater catalyst itself.

Also, this isn't quite the right thread for this all, but oh well.
Even without alternate applications of the catalyst, EV2/AbhpzTa's new R49 Herschel conduit seems like a really interesting discovery!

Here's something I happened to try in passing: with just the right suppression of an unmodified Fx119's output gliders, it's possible to tack on an R49 and save the Fx119's first natural glider output as well as the Herschel output --

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x = 37, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
4.4B19.D$5.4B17.3D$6.4B15.D2B2D$7.4B14.5B$8.4B5.2A5.6B$9.4B5.A6.6B$
10.4B4.A.AB2.8B$11.4B4.2AB2.9B$9.7B5.12B$7.9B5.12B$6.11B4.10B.B2A$7.
13B2.8B2.BA.A$7.22B6.A$6.24B5.2A$5.17B.7B$5.26B$4.27B$4.27B$5.25B$3.
17B3D4B.4B$3.18BD4B4.2A$3.18B3D2B4.A$4.21B6.3A$3.22B8.A$.24B$24B$BC
22B$BCBC14B.6B$B3C13B.7B$3BC13B.6B$17B.6B$4.13B.6B$3.4B2.16B$2.2A2B2.
18B$.ABAB2.19B$BA2B2.10B.9B$2AB3.3B.6B.10B$2B2.2AB2.13B2A3B$B2.A.AB3.
6B.5B2A4B$3.A6.18B$2.2A4.21BA.2A$6.B.2B2A11BD3B2.2A.A$5.2A3B2A9B3D2B$
5.2A14BDBD$6.15BD$4.5B2.B2.2B2.4B$4.2A4.3B5.4B$5.A3.B2AB5.2B2AB$2.3A
5.2A5.A.A2BAB$2.A12.3A.A.2AB$14.A4.A2.4B$15.3A.A4.2A$17.2A5.A$25.3A$
27.A!
This produces a glider on the inside of the turn, which is relatively rare. I guess the composite conduit is a bit too big to improve anything much in the gun collection, but being able to get a forward glider well ahead of an output B or Herschel like this... well, it might allow for some new factories that need two-signal synchronization, or something like that.

If I remember right, there used to be a lot of situations where R64+Fx119 or Fx119+R64+Fx77 would have been useful, and it was awkward making anything like that work -- by the time you did Fx119+R64+F117, it took up a painful amount of space. This seems like a relatively tight turn, and there are even quite a few transparent lanes nearby, between 2 and 10 lanes south of the the FNG output. Not sure exactly what that will be useful for, either, but it seems promising.

I haven't done anything like a thorough survey, but it looks like there are some other elementary-conduit connections with that same initial eater catalyst that will fit after the Fx119+R49, like

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x = 39, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
3.4B$4.4B$5.4B14.A9.A4.B$6.4B13.3A5.3A3.2B$7.4B15.A3.A5.3B$8.4B13.2A.
B.2A3.4B$9.4B7.A4.7B2.4B$10.4B6.3A4.3B3.4B$11.4B8.A2.10B$12.4B6.2A2.
9B$13.4B5.3B.9B$11.7B6.11B$9.9B5.12B$8.11B4.10B.B2A$9.13B2.8B2.BA.A$
9.22B6.A$8.24B5.2A$7.17B.7B$7.26B$6.27B$6.27B$7.25B$5.17B3D4B.4B$5.
18BD4B4.2A$5.18B3D2B4.A$6.21B6.3A$5.22B8.A$3.24B$.25B$.2BC22B$3BCBC
14B.6B$.2B3C13B.7B$5BC13B.6B$19B.6B$2B4.13B.6B$B4.4B2.16B$4.2A2B2.18B
$3.ABAB2.19B$2.BA2B2.10B.9B$2.2AB3.3B.6B.10B$2.2B2.2AB2.13B2A3B$2.B2.
A.AB3.6B.5B2A4B$5.A6.18B$4.2A4.21BA.2A$8.B.2B2A11BD3B2.2A.A$7.2A3B2A
9B3D2B$7.2A14BDBD$8.15BD$6.5B2.B2.2B2.4B$6.2A4.3B5.4B$7.A3.B2AB5.2B2A
B$4.3A5.2A5.A.A2BAB$4.A12.3A.A.2AB$16.A4.A2.4B$17.3A.A4.2A$19.2A5.A$
27.3A$29.A!
Am I missing any good tricks with all those SW-traveling gliders, most of which have to be suppressed? Or what else can the R49 do that we couldn't do before?

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » November 7th, 2019, 3:23 am

Here's a new conduit, HL82R (not to be confused with the almost identically named HL83R), along with an example Lx169 built from it:

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x = 75, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
65.B2A$63.2BA2BAB$63.3B2A3B$61.12B$60.14B$61.13B$61.14B$60.15B$60.14B
$60.13B$60.B3D4B.3B$60.2BD4B$60.2B3D2B$60.6B$59.7B$58.8B$57.8B$56.9B$
56.3B.6B$54.4B.7B$54.2A3.6B$55.A3.6B$52.3A4.6B$52.A5.8B$59.8B$58.9B$
58.9B$58.10B$58.5B2A3B$58.5B2A4B$58.11B$12.2A38.2A4.4BD7BA.2A$13.A39.
A6.B3D4B2.2A.A$13.A.AB36.A.AB3.D2B2D2B$14.2AB.2B34.2AB.8B$4.A11.5B23.
A11.10B$4.3A10.4B23.3A10.10B$7.A7.5B27.A7.11B$6.2A3.B3.6B25.2A3.B3.
11B$6.8B.7B24.8B.11B.BA$8.15B25.19BA.A$8.16B24.19B.2A$7.18B22.18B$5.
16BD3B20.16BD3B$3.17B3DB19.17B3D3B$3.2BD16BD2B18.2BC16BD2B$2.3BDBD4B.
12B17.3BCBC4B.12B$3.2B3D16B19.2B3C16B$2.5BD14B20.5BC14B$.10B2.8B20.
10B2.8B$4B10.7B19.4B10.7B$3B12.7B.B16.3B12.7B.B$2B12.9B2A15.2B12.9B2A
$B14.6B.B2A15.B14.6B.B2A$15.5B3.B31.5B3.B$17.B.AB36.B.AB$16.2BA.A35.
2BA.A$12.A2.A.A.A32.A2.A.A.A$12.4A.2A33.4A.2A$16.A39.A$14.A.A37.A.A$
14.2A38.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Gustone » November 7th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Couldnt find a better place

p2 "blinker toggle" also blinker keeper

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x = 31, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
12.2C$12.2C$3.C$2.C.C24.2C$2.C.C24.C$.2C.2C21.C.C$27.2C$.2C.2C$2.C.2C
$C12.A4.2E$2C10.BAB2.2E$13.A4.2E$19.E2$13.C$12.DCD$4.2C7.C$3.C.C$3.C$
2.2C3$18.2C$18.C.C$20.C$20.2C!
3h-to-g

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x = 24, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
16.E5.2A$2.2C10.E.E5.2A$3.C10.3E$3C11.E$C!
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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by dvgrn » November 7th, 2019, 1:54 pm

Gustone wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 1:24 pm
p2 "blinker toggle" also blinker keeper...
3h-to-g...
These both appear to be "theoretical" elementary conduits, not the kind of thing that would actually go in the Elementary Conduits Collection. It seems like they'll only work if a Herschel or B-heptomino magically appears in the Life universe in just the right place.

For the Herschel period tripler, the Herschel would ordinarily travel to that input location straight through the block you've added as a catalyst, and it's not in one of the standard transparent-block positions. So just getting the Herschel in to that position would a fairly expensive construction operation. I think the same is true of the blinker-keeper B-heptomino input. If you can't find any existing conduit that can connect to a new potential conduit, then the new conduit isn't really a conduit (yet, until the connection problem gets solved).

The standard suggestion is to be really careful to start these kinds of conduit explorations with an HFx58B or a BFx59H, or something along those lines -- and only add catalysts in places that won't get in the way of the input conduit. That way you don't lose as much time inventing mechanisms that can't connect to anything.

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Re: The Hunting of the Elementary Conduits

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » November 7th, 2019, 8:39 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 3:23 am
Here's a new conduit, HL82R (not to be confused with the almost identically named HL83R), along with an example Lx169 built from it:

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x = 75, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
65.B2A$63.2BA2BAB$63.3B2A3B$61.12B$60.14B$61.13B$61.14B$60.15B$60.14B
$60.13B$60.B3D4B.3B$60.2BD4B$60.2B3D2B$60.6B$59.7B$58.8B$57.8B$56.9B$
56.3B.6B$54.4B.7B$54.2A3.6B$55.A3.6B$52.3A4.6B$52.A5.8B$59.8B$58.9B$
58.9B$58.10B$58.5B2A3B$58.5B2A4B$58.11B$12.2A38.2A4.4BD7BA.2A$13.A39.
A6.B3D4B2.2A.A$13.A.AB36.A.AB3.D2B2D2B$14.2AB.2B34.2AB.8B$4.A11.5B23.
A11.10B$4.3A10.4B23.3A10.10B$7.A7.5B27.A7.11B$6.2A3.B3.6B25.2A3.B3.
11B$6.8B.7B24.8B.11B.BA$8.15B25.19BA.A$8.16B24.19B.2A$7.18B22.18B$5.
16BD3B20.16BD3B$3.17B3DB19.17B3D3B$3.2BD16BD2B18.2BC16BD2B$2.3BDBD4B.
12B17.3BCBC4B.12B$3.2B3D16B19.2B3C16B$2.5BD14B20.5BC14B$.10B2.8B20.
10B2.8B$4B10.7B19.4B10.7B$3B12.7B.B16.3B12.7B.B$2B12.9B2A15.2B12.9B2A
$B14.6B.B2A15.B14.6B.B2A$15.5B3.B31.5B3.B$17.B.AB36.B.AB$16.2BA.A35.
2BA.A$12.A2.A.A.A32.A2.A.A.A$12.4A.2A33.4A.2A$16.A39.A$14.A.A37.A.A$
14.2A38.2A!
L130:

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x = 44, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
22.B$21.3D13.2A$21.BDB13.A$20.3D2B9.BA.A$20.5B9.B2A$19.7B5.4B$19.8B3.
6B$20.8B2.6B$20.15B4.2A$12.2A5.3BD2B.9B.BA2.A$13.A5.2B3D2B.8B.B3A$13.
A.AB3.BDB2D12B3.3A$14.2AB.20B.A3.A$4.A11.16B2A3B3.3A$4.3A10.14BA2BA.B
3A$7.A7.11B.5B2AB.BA2.A$6.2A3.B3.11B2.6B5.2A$6.8B.11B4.7B$8.19B3.7B2.
2A$8.19B4.2B.2ABA2.A$7.20B5.BABAB3A$5.16BD5B3.A2.A.A$3.17B3D4B3.4A.3A
$3.2BC16BD4B7.A3.A$2.3BCBC4B.15B4.A.A2.2A$3.2B3C16B.2B2A3.2A$2.5BC14B
3.BA2BA$.10B2.8B5.BABA$4B10.7B5.2BA$3B12.7B.B$2B12.9B2A$B14.6B.B2A$
15.5B3.B$17.B.AB$16.2BA.A$12.A2.A.A.A$12.4A.2A$16.A$14.A.A$14.2A!
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