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New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 18th, 2009, 2:06 am
by Extrementhusiast
I have found a new Heisenburp reaction that is best done at multiples of p46.
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x = 72, y = 74, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o21$23bo$24b2o$23b2o15$49bo$48bo$48b3o4$27bobobobo$26bo7bo2$26b
o2b2o3bo$30b2o$26bo2bo4bo2$26bo7bo$27bobobobo2$58b2o$58bobo$58bo$49bo$
48b2o$48bobo7$69b3o$69bo$70bo$60b2o$59b2o$61bo!
The circled glider is the triggering glider.
Can anybody make a full gun set? Here is my best attempt:
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x = 434, y = 447, rule = B3/S23
415b2o$405b2o7bobo15b2o$405b2o6b2obo15b2o$414b2o$415bo2$415bo$414b2o$
413b2obo15b2o$414bobo15b2o$391bo23b2o$390bo$390b3o6$394bo7bo$393bobo5b
obo$396bo3bo$393bo2bo3bo2bo$379bo14bobo3bobo$379bobo14b2ob2o$379b2o12b
2ob2ob2ob2o$393b2o2bobo2b2o$394b3o3b3o$395bo5bo4$394b2o5b2o$394b2o5b2o
$368bo$367bo$367b3o15$381b2o$381bobo$381bo4$345bo$344bo33b2o$344b3o32b
o$379bobo$380b2o2$384bo7b3o$384b2o6bo$383bobo7bo$358b2o8b3o39bo3bo$
358b2o8bo3bo36bo5bo9b2o$368bo4bo35bo15b2o$369bo3bo35b2o3bo$394b2o15b3o
$369bo3bo21b2o$368bo4bo17b5o15b3o$358b2o8bo3bo18b4o14b2o3bo$358b2o8b3o
38bo15b2o$391b4o14bo5bo9b2o$391b5o14bo3bo$395b2o$394b2o$380b2o$322bo
56bobo$321bo57bo$321b3o54b2o19$345b2o$346bo$299bo46bobo$298bo48b2o10b
3o$298b3o57bo4bo5b2o$357bo5bo$338bo19bo18b2o$295b3o40b2o19b2o15bo2b2o
11b2o$295bo29b2o9bob3o34b6o11b2o$296bo28b2o13b2o17b2o16b4o$339b2o17bo
8bo$339bo17bo5bo2bo$358bo4bo2b3o$339bo19b3o15b4o$339b2o34b6o11b2o$325b
2o13b2o34bo2b2o11b2o$325b2o9bob3o36b2o$338b2o$338bo3$347b2o$346bobo6bo
$346bo8bobo$345b2o8b2o$276bo$275bo$275b3o3$318b3o$318bo$319bo21$341b3o
$341bo$342bo9$353b2o$353bobo$353bo5$230bo123b2o$229bo107b2o15bobo$229b
3o105b2o17bo$354b3o4$354b3o$337b2o17bo$337b2o15bobo$354b2o2$367b2o$
360b3o4b2o2$359bo3bo$359bo3bo$360bobo$360b3o4$91b2o$91bo$89bobo268bo7b
o$74b2o13b2o267bob2o5b2obo$72b2ob2o281bo3b2ob2o3bo$72bo2bo283bo3bobo3b
o$61b2o9bo2bo284b3o3b3o$44b2o15bobo9b2o25b4o$44b2o15bob2o35bo2b2o6b2o$
62b2o9b2o26bo2b2o5b2o$62bo9bo2bo25bo2bo$72bo2bo26b2o$62bo9b2ob2o$62b2o
10b2o26b2o$44b2o15bob2o36bo2bo$44b2o15bobo37bo2b2o5b2o$61b2o37bo2b2o6b
2o$100b4o256b2o5b2o$84bo275b2o5b2o$77bobo4bobo$78b2o4b2o$78bo10b2o$89b
obo$91bo$91b2o91bo$183bo$183b3o4$89bo$90b2o$89b2o$282b2o5b2o$282b2o5b
2o$92b2o$93b2o$92bo9$282b3o3b3o$282b3o3b3o$281bob2o3b2obo$281bob2o3b2o
bo$282b2o5b2o$283bo5bo2$112bo$113b2o$112b2o$279bo91b2o$279bo93bo$69b2o
216bo70b2o10b2o2bo10b2o$70b2o213bobo70b2o11bo2bo10b2o$69bo216b2o84bobo
$372b2o2$279b2o5b2o73b2o9b2o$359bo3b2o7bobo$278bo9bo70bo4bo6bo2bo10b2o
$71b2o205bo3bobo3bo70bo3b2o5b2o2bo10b2o$71bo206bo3bobo3bo72b2o10bo$69b
obo207bobo3bobo83b2o$58bo10b2o209bo5bo11bo$58b2o4b2o72bo160bo47b3o3b3o
$57bobo4bobo70bo159b3o40bo5bo2bo3bo2bo$64bo72b3o199bo6b2obo3bob2o$80b
4o255b3o$41b2o37bo2b2o6b2o$24b2o15bobo37bo2b2o5b2o$24b2o15bob2o36bo2bo
$42b2o10b2o26b2o$42bo9b2ob2o220b2o17b2o$52bo2bo26b2o34b2o158bo17bo$42b
o9bo2bo25bo2bo34b2o154b3o19b3o$42b2o9b2o26bo2b2o5b2o25bo156bo23bo$24b
2o15bob2o35bo2b2o6b2o$24b2o15bobo9b2o25b4o244bo$41b2o9bo2bo272bobo$52b
o2bo228bo5bo37b2o$52b2ob2o90b2o134b3o3b3o$54b2o13b2o76bobo132b2ob2ob2o
b2o$69bobo75bo133b3o7b3o53b2o5b2o$71bo66bo208b2o5b2o$71b2o64b2o144bo7b
o$137bobo9$283b2o5b2o$149b2o132b2o5b2o$148b2o$150bo3$305bo$305bobo$
305b2o$170b2o$170bobo$156b2o12bo$157b2o2bo$156bo3b2o$160bobo3$64b2o5b
2o$64b2o5b2o4$64b3o3b3o72bo$63bo2bo3bo2bo71b2o$67bobo74bobo25b2o$63b2o
7b2o97b2o$63b2o7b2o99bo$66bo3bo$66b2ob2o$64b3o3b3o209bo$64b2o5b2o209bo
bo$64bo7bo209b2o$193b2o$193bobo$65bo127bo$65bo118bo$183b2o$183bobo$62b
2o3b2o102bo3b2o$163b2o4b2obob3o$163b2o4bo4b3o$169bo3bo$170b3o$67b2o$
67b2o2b2o97b3o$64bo6b2o96bo3bo$65bo97b2o4bo4b3o$56b2o6bo98b2o4b2obob3o
$41b2o11b2o2bo4b2o106bo3b2o$41b2o11b6o4bo$54b4o5bobo127b2o$63b2o128b2o
$65bo193bo$63bob2o192bobo$54b4o5bob2o192b2o$41b2o11b6o4bo2bo148b2o$41b
2o11b2o2bo6b2o149bobo$56b2o7b2o43b2o104bo$111b2o$110bo75b3o3b3o$185bo
2bo3bo2bo$185b2obo3bob2o$64bo$63b2o$63bobo$54bo$53bo$53b3o$17bo81bo$2o
15b2o8b2o70b2o$2o16b2o7b2o69bobo$13b2o2b2o3$75b2o$13b2o2b2o55b2o$2o16b
2o56bo$2o15b2o167b2o5b2o$17bo168b2o5b2o44b2o$239bobo$239bo5$89b3ob3o9b
2o110b2o5b2o$88bob2ob2obo7b2ob2o6b2o100b2o5b2o$31bo7bo47b2o7b2o7bo2bo
6b2o$29b2ob2o3b2ob2o46bob2ob2obo8bo2bo$53bo35b3ob3o10b2o$32bobobobo15b
o$30bo3bobo3bo11b3o51b2o$30bo2b2ob2o2bo64bo2bo$31b3o3b3o48b2o15bo2bo6b
2o$32bo5bo49b2o14b2ob2o6b2o$105b2o$217bo7bo$281b2o5b2o$215b3o7b3o53b2o
5b2o$31b2o5b2o176b2ob2ob2ob2o$31b2o5b2o177b3o3b3o$65bo152bo5bo37b2o$
63bobo196bobo$64b2o196bo2$67b3o5b4o12b2o116bo23bo$67bo7b2obo12b2o116b
3o19b3o$67b2obo7bo133bo17bo$69b2o5b2o133b2o17b2o2$69b2o5b2o$67b2obo7bo
$75b2obo12b2o$43b2o12b4o5bo2bo5b4o12b2o180b3o$43b2o12bob2o212bo6b2obo
3bob2o$57bo7bob2o162b3o40bo5bo2bo3bo2bo$58b2o5b2o166bo47b3o3b3o$214bo
5bo11bo$58b2o5b2o146bobo3bobo83b2o$57bo7bob2o143bo3bobo3bo72b2o10bo$
43b2o12bob2o7bo143bo3bobo3bo70bo3b2o5b2o2bo10b2o$43b2o12b4o5b3o143bo9b
o70bo4bo6bo2bo10b2o$293bo3b2o7bobo$213b2o5b2o73b2o9b2o2$306b2o$220b2o
84bobo$219bobo70b2o11bo2bo10b2o$221bo70b2o10b2o2bo10b2o$213bo93bo$213b
o91b2o5$217bo5bo$216b2o5b2o$215bob2o3b2obo$215bob2o3b2obo$216b3o3b3o$
216b3o3b3o12$216b2o5b2o$216b2o5b2o!
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 18th, 2009, 4:12 pm
by Nathaniel
Very nice. Here's a completed gun using this reaction (very closely based on your partial gun):
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x = 434, y = 424, rule = B3/S23
415b2o$405b2o7bobo15b2o$405b2o6b2obo15b2o$414b2o$415bo2$415bo$414b2o$
413b2obo15b2o$414bobo15b2o$391bo23b2o$390bo$390b3o6$394bo7bo$393bobo5b
obo$396bo3bo$393bo2bo3bo2bo$379bo14bobo3bobo$379bobo14b2ob2o$379b2o12b
2ob2ob2ob2o$393b2o2bobo2b2o$394b3o3b3o$395bo5bo4$394b2o5b2o$394b2o5b2o
$368bo$367bo$367b3o15$381b2o$381bobo$381bo4$345bo$344bo33b2o$344b3o32b
o$379bobo$380b2o2$384bo7b3o$384b2o6bo$383bobo7bo$358b2o8b3o39bo3bo$
358b2o8bo3bo36bo5bo9b2o$368bo4bo35bo15b2o$369bo3bo35b2o3bo$394b2o15b3o
$369bo3bo21b2o$368bo4bo17b5o15b3o$358b2o8bo3bo18b4o14b2o3bo$358b2o8b3o
38bo15b2o$391b4o14bo5bo9b2o$391b5o14bo3bo$395b2o$394b2o$380b2o$322bo
56bobo$321bo57bo$321b3o54b2o19$345b2o$346bo$299bo46bobo$298bo48b2o10b
3o$298b3o57bo4bo5b2o$357bo5bo$338bo19bo18b2o$295b3o40b2o19b2o15bo2b2o
11b2o$295bo29b2o9bob3o34b6o11b2o$296bo28b2o13b2o17b2o16b4o$339b2o17bo
8bo$339bo17bo5bo2bo$358bo4bo2b3o$339bo19b3o15b4o$339b2o34b6o11b2o$325b
2o13b2o34bo2b2o11b2o$325b2o9bob3o36b2o$338b2o$338bo3$347b2o$346bobo6bo
$346bo8bobo$345b2o8b2o$276bo$275bo$275b3o3$318b3o$318bo$319bo21$341b3o
$341bo$342bo9$353b2o$353bobo$353bo5$230bo123b2o$229bo107b2o15bobo$229b
3o105b2o17bo$354b3o4$354b3o$337b2o17bo$337b2o15bobo$354b2o2$367b2o$
360b3o4b2o2$359bo3bo$359bo3bo$360bobo$360b3o4$91b2o$91bo$89bobo268bo7b
o$74b2o13b2o267bob2o5b2obo$72b2ob2o281bo3b2ob2o3bo$72bo2bo283bo3bobo3b
o$61b2o9bo2bo284b3o3b3o$44b2o15bobo9b2o25b4o$44b2o15bob2o35bo2b2o6b2o$
62b2o9b2o26bo2b2o5b2o$62bo9bo2bo25bo2bo$72bo2bo26b2o$62bo9b2ob2o$62b2o
10b2o26b2o$44b2o15bob2o36bo2bo$44b2o15bobo37bo2b2o5b2o$61b2o37bo2b2o6b
2o$100b4o256b2o5b2o$84bo275b2o5b2o$77bobo4bobo$78b2o4b2o$78bo10b2o$89b
obo$91bo$91b2o91bo$183bo$183b3o4$89bo$90b2o$89b2o21$112bo$113b2o$112b
2o12$310bo$310b3o$313bo$138bo173b2o$137bo161bo$137b3o159b3o$302bo$301b
2o$295b2o$116bobobobo173bo$115bo7bo172bobo$297b2o$115bo2b2o3bo$119b2o$
115bo2bo4bo2$115bo7bo202b2o$116bobobobo203bobo$328bo$147b2o165b3o11b2o
$147bobo164bo2bo$147bo165bo2b2o$138bo174b2o$137b2o$137bobo3$322b2o$
322bobo$324bo$324b2o$158b3o$158bo$159bo$149b2o$148b2o$150bo3$305bo$
305bobo$305b2o3$156b2o$157b2o2bo$156bo3b2o$160bobo3$64b2o5b2o$64b2o5b
2o4$64b3o3b3o72bo$63bo2bo3bo2bo71b2o$67bobo74bobo25b2o$63b2o7b2o97b2o$
63b2o7b2o99bo$66bo3bo$66b2ob2o$64b3o3b3o$64b2o5b2o$64bo7bo$193b2o$193b
obo$65bo127bo$65bo118bo$183b2o$183bobo$62b2o3b2o102bo3b2o$163b2o4b2obo
b3o$163b2o4bo4b3o$169bo3bo$170b3o$67b2o$67b2o2b2o97b3o31b3o$64bo6b2o
96bo3bo30bo$65bo97b2o4bo4b3o28bo$56b2o6bo98b2o4b2obob3o$41b2o11b2o2bo
4b2o106bo3b2o$41b2o11b6o4bo$54b4o5bobo127b2o$63b2o128b2o$65bo193bo$63b
ob2o192bobo$54b4o5bob2o192b2o$41b2o11b6o4bo2bo$41b2o11b2o2bo6b2o$56b2o
7b2o43b2o$111b2o$110bo75b3o3b3o$185bo2bo3bo2bo$185b2obo3bob2o$64bo$63b
2o$63bobo$54bo$53bo$53b3o$17bo81bo$2o15b2o8b2o70b2o$2o16b2o7b2o69bobo$
13b2o2b2o3$75b2o$13b2o2b2o55b2o$2o16b2o56bo$2o15b2o167b2o5b2o$17bo168b
2o5b2o44b2o$239bobo$239bo5$89b3ob3o9b2o$88bob2ob2obo7b2ob2o6b2o$31bo7b
o47b2o7b2o7bo2bo6b2o$29b2ob2o3b2ob2o46bob2ob2obo8bo2bo$53bo35b3ob3o10b
2o$32bobobobo15bo195b3o$30bo3bobo3bo11b3o51b2o142bo$30bo2b2ob2o2bo64bo
2bo142bo$31b3o3b3o48b2o15bo2bo6b2o$32bo5bo49b2o14b2ob2o6b2o$105b2o2$
281b2o5b2o$281b2o5b2o$31b2o5b2o$31b2o5b2o$65bo196b2o$63bobo196bobo$64b
2o196bo2$67b3o5b4o12b2o$67bo7b2obo12b2o$67b2obo7bo$69b2o5b2o2$69b2o5b
2o$67b2obo7bo$75b2obo12b2o$43b2o12b4o5bo2bo5b4o12b2o180b3o$43b2o12bob
2o212bo6b2obo3bob2o$57bo7bob2o205bo5bo2bo3bo2bo$58b2o5b2o214b3o3b3o2$
58b2o5b2o238b2o$57bo7bob2o226b2o10bo$43b2o12bob2o7bo224bo3b2o5b2o2bo
10b2o$43b2o12b4o5b3o224bo4bo6bo2bo10b2o$293bo3b2o7bobo$295b2o9b2o2$
306b2o$306bobo$292b2o11bo2bo10b2o$292b2o10b2o2bo10b2o$307bo$305b2o!
Is this the first heisenburp in which the glider does not get destroyed and then recreated by the reaction, but rather just keeps on trucking without really even noticing?
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 20th, 2009, 2:02 am
by Extrementhusiast
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! OMG I AM ECSTATIC AND DESSERPED AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!
Also thank you for showing me the p184 gun.
What do you mean by the last part of your post?
BTW, the gun has an error; there are two extra gliders.
Another error! Doesn't approach correctly.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 20th, 2009, 8:18 am
by dvgrn
Nathaniel wrote:Edit: Is this the first heisenburp in which the glider does not get destroyed and then recreated by the reaction, but rather just keeps on trucking without really even noticing?
No, there's a fairly long history of "pure" Heisenburp reactions of this type -- see heisenburp-30.rle and heisenburp-46.rle in Golly's Signal-Circuitry folder. Both of those patterns now need updating -- the most recent versions would be:
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#C p30 Heisenblinker device: Mike Playle, 26 September 2006
x = 68, y = 74, rule = B3/S23
47bo$45b3o$44bo$44boo5bo$51b3o$54bo$53boo4$39boo3boo$40b5o$40booboo11b
o$40booboo10b3o$41b3o10b5o$53boo3boo$o$3o$3bo$bboo51b3o$55b3o$46bo$40b
o3bobo11bo$39b3o3boo10bobo$38b5o13bo3bo$37bobobobo13b3o$37boo3boo11boo
3boo$50boo$3b5o3bobo36boo$bbob3obobbo3bo$3bo3bo5boobo$4b3o7bobo$5bo9bo
21boo$6boo4b3o23bo4bo$6bobo3boo21b3o4bo$6bobo3bo22bo6b3o10boo$7bo48bo$
53b3o$53bo$4booboboo$4bo5bo$5bo3bo25boo$6b3o26bobo$27bo7bo$26boo$26bob
o$21boo$21bobo$16boo4b3o$12b4obbo4b3o$7boo3b3oboo4b3o$7boo12bobo7boo$
21boo8bobo$33bo$33boo17$65boo$65bobo$65bo!
(Technically the Heisenblinker is not a true "pure" Heisenburp, since it modifies the input glider for a couple of ticks -- but I'd say it stops well short of destroying-then-recreating.)
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#C Glider Flyby with glider Out of the Blue:
#C p92 Conway-Space Natural Heisenburp Duplicator
#C Brice Due, 8 January 2005
x = 46, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
23b4o5b6o$23bob2o7b4o$23bo7bob2o$24b2o5b2o2$24b2o5b2o$23bo7bob2o$9b2o
12bob2o7b4o$9b2o12b4o5b6o2$6bo$6bo4$4bo8$b2o5b2o$o2bo3bo2bo$bo2bobo2bo
11b2o$4bobo13b2o$2b3ob3o13bo$3o5b3o$2o7b2o$2o7b2o$bob2ob2obo$b3o3b3o$
2bo5bo3$b2o5b2o$b2o5b2o11$44b2o$43b2o$45bo!
Here's some more background on Heisenburp devices that I
wrote up on comp.theory.cell-automata a while back:
dvgrn wrote:
Since about 1996 people have mostly been trying to build "pure"
Heisenburp devices, which superstitiously avoid affecting the glider in
any way, even temporarily; the two that come with Golly manage to
maintain a ring of OFF cells all around the glider at all times. The
preference for pure as opposed to "dirty" (!) devices is just a matter
of aesthetics (as I understand it) -- it's not like there's any
measurable difference between an untouched glider and a reconstructed
one with the same path and timing.
...
Here is a previous p30 device that... can handle gliders spaced 60 ticks apart:
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#C p30 pure Heisenburp device, repeatable at p60
#C David Bell, 25 September 1996
x = 205, y = 194, rule = B3/S23
141bo$141b3o$144bo$132boo9boo$132boo$132boo$132bo12b3o$131bobo11b3o$
131bobo10bo3bo$132bo$143boo3boo$$129boo3boo$129bobobobo$130b5o$131b3o
13b3o$132bo11boo$144boo$143boo$144bobo$145boo3$133bobo9boo3boo$134boo
9boo3boo$134bo4bo$137boo8b3o$138boo7b3o$129b3o16bo27bo$128bo3bo41b3o$
127bo5bo7bo31bo$128bo3bo9boo29boo9boo$129b3o9boo7boo32boo$129b3o18bo$
151b3o$132boo19bo$132bo$133b3o$135bo32boo3boo$169b5o$169booboo11bo$
162bo6booboo10b3o$160b3o7b3o10b5o$159bo22boo3boo$159boo$$153bo$152bo
31b3o$152b3o29b3o$175bo$169bo3bobo11bo$168b3o3boo10bobo$156b3o8b5o13bo
3bo$155bo3bo6bobobobo13b3o$154bo5bo5boo3boo6bo4boo3boo$154bo5bo18bobo$
157bo21boo$155bo3bo$156bo$157bobbo$160bo5boo$134boo23bo7bo$133bobo24b
3ob3o$135bo26bobo$$186boo$148boo6boo28boo$147boo6boo$149bo7bo$164bo$
164bobo$136bobobbobo20boo$132boobobbobbobboboo21boo$136bobobbobo26bo$
170bobo5bo$148bo22boo3bobo$120boo24b4o25bobo17bo$121boo22boboboo23bobb
o16boo$120bo9bo13bobbob3o23bobo15boo4boo$129b3o12booboboo25bobo13b3o4b
oobboo$128b5o9b3ob4o9boo17bo4bobo7boo4boobboo$127boo3boo7bobo4bo10bobo
9boo10boo9boo$141bo19bo8boo12bo10bo$140boo19boo9bo$$129b3o$129b3o$176b
oo$176boo$129boo$129boo17bo17boo21bobo$105boo40b4o16bo19bo3bo$106boo
27boo9boob4o5boo7bobo5boo10bo12boo$105bo29boo8b3oboo3bo3bobbo6boo5bobb
o7bo4bo8boo$146booboo3bo7bo16bo7bo$147b5o3bo6bo16bo7bo3bo$148bo3b3o7bo
16bo9bobo$130bobo25bobbo5boo6bobbo$129bobbo25boo7bobo5boo$119bo8boo10b
oo27bo$118bobo5boo3bo8boo4bo22boo$118boobo6boo5boo7boo$106boo10booboo
6bobbo4bo7boo$106boo10boobo8bobo$118bobo$119bo9bo$90boo38bo$91boo35b3o
$90bo46bobo$137boo$138bo3$137bo$135bobo$136boo3$88b4o26b4o27boo$88bo3b
o25bo3bo26boo4b3o$88bo29bo27boo6b5o$83boo4bobbo26bobbo22b3o5bo3bobo$
82boo62boo6bo3boo$84bo64boo$149boo$79boo$80bo$77b3o$77bo13bo$90boo$90b
obo50bo$61boo38bo40b3o$60bobo37bobo38b5o$62bo26bo8boo3bo9boo25boo3boo$
84bo4b4o5boo3bo9boo$84bo5b4o4boo3bo$79boo9bobbo6bobo$79boo9b4o7bo40b3o
$89b4o49b3o$89bo$$142boo$142boo4$46boo$45bobo$47bo13$31boo$30bobo$32bo
28$boo$obo$bbo!
Dietrich Leithner built a smaller "dirty" version a couple of days
later, which works at p30 but bounces the input gliders around a lot.
It still takes some sneaky tricks to get down as low as p30 pure
Heisenburp detection. At least, I can't find anything recent that
improves on Jason Summers' "pseudo-Heisenburp" device; amazingly
enough, the entire device is on one side of the input glider path:
#C Pseudoperiod 30 pure Heisenburp device
#C Detects and duplicates a p30 stream of gliders without
#C influencing it, even temporarily. The device works by
#C interlacing two period-60 detectors.
#C Jason Summers, 3-Jul-1999
x = 330, y = 315, rule = B3/S23
...
The two devices described above can be found in
Jason's collection in the "misc" section.
The stable pseudo-Heisenburp pattern you may be thinking of (heisenburp.py in Golly's Scripts/Python folder) was more of an experiment than anything else: if you're using only stable technology you're obviously going to have to destroy and rebuild the glider.
-- Though actually there's probably another way to produce a stable pseudo-Heisenburp effect, that doesn't require playing catch-up with a 2c/3 wire. All that's needed is a constructible stable fuse that can be triggered by a glider, and that spits out a glider at the other end at exactly the right spacetime location, along with one or more extra gliders along the way to trigger some fuse-rebuilding circuitry and produce the output glider(s).
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 20th, 2009, 9:51 am
by Nathaniel
Extrementhusiast wrote:Also thank you for showing me the p184 gun.
Eeep! If you're going to be constructing things like this, make sure you have the gun collections provided here:
http://entropymine.com/jason/life/
Scroll down and download "Dieter and Peter's Gun Collection" (parts 1 and 2). The smallest known gun for every period from 1 to 1000, and many small guns of higher period as well.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 23rd, 2009, 7:29 am
by knightlife
Has anyone made a Heisenburp duplicator for LWSS?
I found a perfect reaction that kills a Herschel as an LWSS flys by totally untouched.
It took a good chunk of the day to make use of that reaction but here it is:
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x = 461, y = 129, rule = B3/S23
313b2o$313b2o2$326b2o$326b2o2$313bo$313bo13bo$312bobo11b3o$311b2ob2o9b
o3bo$310bo5bo10bo$313bo10bo5bo53b2o$310b2o3b2o7bo5bo53bo$325bo3bo47bo
4bobo$326b3o47b4ob3o$311b4o44b2o14b2obob2o$311bo2b2o43bo2bo11b3obo2bo$
298b2o12bob2o35b5o7bo11b2obobo$298bo51bo5bo6bo12b4o3b2o$289b2o5bobo14b
2o10bo24bo3b2o7bo7bo5bo5b2o$287bo2bo5b2o16bo36bo7bo2bo9bo10b2o$274bobo
9bo72b2o9b3o11bo$274bo3bo7bo38bo57bobo$278bo7bo21b2obob2o10bobo45b2o7b
2obo$264b2o8bo4bo7bo2bo6b2o9bo5bo10b2o45bobo$264b2o12bo10b2o5bo2bo9bo
3bo60bo$274bo3bo20bo10b3o70b2o$274bobo22bo79b2o2b2o$296b2obo26b2o3b2o
44bobo$288b2o6b2o58bo8b2o11b2o$288b2o37bo3bo22bobo6bo2bo$328b3o16b2o4b
obo7bo3bo2b2o$297b2o9b2o18b3o16b2o3bo2bo7bo2b2o2b3o$297b2o10bo43bobo
16b2obo$293bo12b3o11b2o32bobo4b3o8bo2bo$270bo10bo12b2o10bo12b3o9b2o23b
o15b2obo$270b2o9b2o10b2o23bobo2bo2b2o3bo38b3o6b2o$261b2o2b2o4b2o7bobo
4bo22bo7b2o2b2o2b2o4b3o35b2o7bobo$261b2o2b2o4b3o13bobo20bobo9b2o10bo
46bo$265b2o4b2o15bobo19b2o69b2o$270b2o16bo2bo$270bo17bobo$287bobo3b2o
99bo$287bo5bobo5b2o49b2o38bobo17b2o$295bo5b2o47b2ob2o38b2o15b2ob2o$
295b2o53b4o56b4o$351b2o58b2o2$o2bo116bo2bo56bo2bo$4bo119bo59bo$o3bo
115bo3bo55bo3bo$b4o116b4o56b4o4$320b2o$282b2o37bo$282bo38bobo5bobo$
275bo4bobo39b2o5bo2bo$274b4ob3o50b2o8bo$257b2o14b2obob2o50bo3b2o5bobo$
257bo2bo11b3obo2bo52b2o6bob2o$249b5o7bo11b2obobo50bo2bo6b2ob2o10b2o$
248bo5bo6bo12b4o51bobo8bob2o10b2o75bo$248bo3b2o7bo7bo5bo65bobo86b3o$
249bo7bo2bo9bo61bo9bo87bob2o$257b2o9b3o60bo97b2o$318b2o11b3o95b2o$284b
2o32bobo108b2o$283bobo33b3o4b3o104bo$282b3o35b2o4bo105b2o$282b2o33b2o
8bo102bobo$273b3o9b2o30b3o104bo4bo2bo$275bo8b3o53b2o80bobo5b2o$264bo9b
o60bo4b2o76b2o3b2o$263bobo52b2o9b2ob5o6b2o6b2o64bobo$251b2o10b2obo8bob
o6b2o32b2o8bo4b2o2bo5b3o5b2o64bo$251b2o10b2ob2o6bo2bo6b2o41bo8b2o5b2o
71b2o$263b2obo6b2o52bo7bo4b2o$263bobo5b2o3bo50bo12b2o99b2o$264bo8b2o
44b2o7bo91b2o19bo$274bo2bo5b2o33bobo8b2o90bo17bobo$275bobo5bobo32bo
102bobo15b2o$285bo31b2o103b2o4bo6b2o$285b2o140bobo4bo2bo$427bobo5b2o$
428bo10b2o$439bobo$441bo$441b2o7bobo$426b2o21bo10bo$427bo16b2o2bo4bo4b
3o$424b3o17b2obo2bob2o3bo$424bo7bo15b2o7b2o$432b3o$435bo$434b2o4$447b
2o$446b2o$434b2o3b2o7bo4b5o$434bo5bo11bob3obo$453bo3bo$435bo3bo2b2o10b
3o$436b3o4b2o10bo$442bo10b2o$452bobo$452bobo$453bo3$439bo10b2obob2o$
437b2ob2o8bo5bo$451bo3bo$436bo5bo9b3o2$436b2obob2o6$452b2o$452b2o2$
439b2o$439b2o!
The p120 LWSS stream on the left passes through untouched yet is duplicated on the right.
The minimum possible period is 100 but 120 is a nicer choice for compactness.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 23rd, 2009, 11:01 pm
by dvgrn
knightlife wrote:Has anyone made a Heisenburp duplicator for LWSS?
I found a perfect reaction that kills a Herschel as an LWSS flys by totally untouched.
Very nice. I seem to recall there are a number of glider paths that can kill off a Herschel without affecting the glider, as well, but I think they're maybe not quite so clean as this.
However, Herschels are kind of overkill when you're dealing with any of the three natural orthogonal spaceships, which have lots of nice dying sparks at the sides and back that are easy to detect without affecting anything.
In particular, a single glider is enough to test for the presence of a back-spark from any *WSS. The glider will be suppressed cleanly if a spaceship passes in front of it, even though a one-cell rectangle of OFF cells is always maintained around the *WSS.
Here's an example I threw together this evening; it's not particularly optimized, just some standard p46 circuitry stolen from
Brice Due's metapixel pattern.
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#C p46 LWSS Heisenburp reaction
x = 172, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
115b2o$114bo$113bo2b2o$94bo18bo2bo$94b2o17bobo10bo$92bob3o17b2o10b3o$
96b2o31bo$84bobobo6b2o17b2o10b3o$82b3obobo6bo17bobo10bo$81bo31bo2bo$
82b3obobo6bo17bo2b2o$84bobobo6b2o17bo$96b2o17b2o$92bob3o$94b2o$94bo17b
obo$113b2o$113bo$23bo2bo42bo2bo$b4o22bo45bo$o3bo18bo3bo41bo3bo$4bo19b
4o42b4o$o2bo4$124bo25b2o2bobo$125b2o16b2o4b3obo3bo12b2o$124b2o17b2o3b
2o6bo13b2o$149bob5o$150b3o2$150b3o$149bob5o$148b2o6bo13b2o$149b3obo3bo
12b2o$150b2o2bobo2$135bobo$136b2o$136bo5$138b3o$140bo$139bo9$127b2o$
126bobo$128bo9$96b4o$95b2o2bo15b3o$94b2o2bo18bo6b2o$90bo4bo2bo17bo6b5o
$88b3o5b2o25bo4bo$87bo35b3o2bo$88b3o5b2o26bo2b2o3bo$90bo4bo2bo26b2o5b
3o$94b2o2bo36bo$95b2o2bo25b2o5b3o$96b4o24bo2b2o3bo$123b3o2bo$123bo4bo$
123b5o$124b2o!
But this a lousy implementation, with two glider guns that mostly cancel each other out -- kind of a logical double negative. There are cleverer Heisenburp reactions out there that don't need any guns at all, just oscillators with big sparks that are affected by passing spaceship sparks in just the right way.
Brice's metapixel pattern is worth a closer look, for example -- there are two different MWSS Heisenburp detection reactions in it, neither of which uses any guns. One produces a glider from a passing MWSS "out of the blue", and the other generates a perpendicular LWSS (!)
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 24th, 2009, 4:50 am
by calcyman
Here's a nice p120 HWSS Heisenburp duplicator based on a stable reaction I found:
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x = 114, y = 108, rule = S23/B3
85boo6bo$81bobobbo4b3o$79b3oboo5bo$78bo11boo$79b3oboo$81boboo3$89boo3b
oo$89boo3boo4$99bo$98bobo$99bo$$6boo$3bo$bbobobboo$obob3obbo12boo$obb
6o13boo7bo$3booboo21b3o49boo$bb6obbo17bo52boo$bobb3obobo17boo$bboobbob
o$7bo28boo$3boo31bo$34bobo$34boo18boo13boo$4bo49boo13boo$3bobo85boo$4b
oo38boo6b4o35bo$44boo5bo4bo9boo24b3o$51boobboo9bo27bo$64bobo$64boo$50b
oo$45boo3boo$45boo$84boo$22boo60bo$18boobboo61b3o$17bobo67bo$17bo$16b
oo60boo$77bobbo$77bobo$78bo9$5boo71b3o$3bo4bo69bo$9bo69bo$3bo5bo$4b6o
6$101bo$96b3oboobboo$96b4o4boo$100boo8boo$110boo$86bo$86b3o$89bo$88boo
$$75boo$75bobo$77bo23boo$77boo22boo6b3o$88boo3boo13bo3bo$88bobobobo12b
o5bo$53boo34b5o13bo5bo$53bo36b3o3boo$54b3o34bo3bobo9bo$56bo40bo9boo$
107boo$106boobbo$107bobo$108boo3$92b3o10boo3boo$91booboo9boo3boo$91boo
boo$91b5o11b3o$90boo3boo10b3o$108bo4$91boo$$107boo$107boo$93boo$93boo!
As you can see, the gun can be replaced with any gun of period 8n, where n is a sufficiently large positive integer.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 24th, 2009, 7:25 am
by dvgrn
I wrote:
dvgrn wrote:Here's an example [LWSS Heisenburp] I threw together this evening; it's not particularly optimized, just some standard p46 circuitry stolen from
Brice Due's metapixel pattern.
Now that I look again,
PM 2Ring's LWSS fanout is basically the same Heisenburp glider suppression trick, done at p30 (or rather p60) rather than p46. The test glider gets sparked to death in a slightly different way, or it goes on to suppress an LWSS stream directly instead of another glider stream -- but it all comes out the same in the end.
The big spark in a p46 oscillator is amazingly accessible, which I suppose is why it's possible to find so many direct reactions -- Brice Due calls them "Conway-space" reactions, as opposed to "engineered" or "engineering-space" reactions, evoking John Conway's original idea of studying the behavior of a CA rule long enough to find out what it can do naturally, so to speak. The search space for p46 technology is enormous, especially when you put two or more big sparks next to each other -- I'm still kind of amazed that there's a direct LWSS reflector
and a direct MWSS reflector:
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#C p46 "Conway-space" LWSS and MWSS reflectors --
#C see the metapixel pattern for example uses
x = 65, y = 74, rule = B3/S23
13b4o$12bo3bo$16bo24b2o$12bo2bo25b2o8$35bo5bo$34b3o3b3o$33b2obo3bob2o
3$36bo3bo$36bo3bo9$30b2o13b2o$30b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o$34b2o5b2o7$34b2o5b2o$
30b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o$30b2o13b2o9$36bo3bo$36bo3bo3$33b2obo3bob2o$34b3o3b3o
$35bo5bo3$31bo$30bo$29bo2bo29b2o$62b2o$2bo29bo$o3bo24b2ob2o$5bo23b2ob
2o15b2o12b2o$o4bo23b2ob2o14b2o13b2o$b5o25bo17b5o$50b4o2$50b4o$49b5o$
38b2o8b2o13b2o$38b2o9b2o12b2o3$62b2o$62b2o!
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 25th, 2009, 4:41 am
by calcyman
I'm even more impressed at the promotion reactions, that convert a glider -> LWSS -> MWSS:
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x = 158, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
121b3o$120bobbo$123bo$119bo3bo$123bo$120bobo7$44boo$43b5o$27boo14bo4bo
$27boo14b3obbo$44bobboo7b4o$45boo8boobbo14boo$54boobbo15boo$45boo8bobb
o$44bobboo7boo$27boo14b3obbo$27boo14bo4bo7boo$43b5o7bobbo62b3o$44boo8b
oobbo15boo45bobbo$55boobbo14boo45bo$56b4o61bo3bo$121bo$122bobo$41bo$
39boo$40boo10$28bobo$28boo$29bo125boo$155boo$144boo$121b3o22bo$120bobb
o7boo10boobbo8boo$123bo7boo11bobbo8boo$119bo3bo21bobo$11bo111bo21boo$
10b3o107bobo$4boo3bo3bo4bo16bobbo42bobbo49bo10boo$4boobbo5boboo21bo19b
4o22bo19b4o24booboo7bobo$8bo5bobboo16bo3bo18bo3bo18bo3bo18bo3bo24bo3bo
6bobbo8boo$9bo3bo22b4o22bo19b4o22bo34boobbo8boo$58bobbo42bobbo27boboo
7bo$9bo3bo113b3o4bo3bo5boo$8bo5bo111bo7bobbo17boo$8bo5bo111booboo3bobb
o17boo$9bo3bo121bo$10b3o113booboo4bo$11bo116bo5bo4$127bo7bo$4bo7bo113b
obbo3bobbo$bbooboo3booboo115bobo$130bobo$5bobobobo118bobo$3bo3bobo3bo
112bobbo3bobbo$3bobbooboobbo113b3o3b3o$4b3o3b3o$5bo5bo$$oo13boo$oobboo
5boobboo$4boo5boo$123boo13boo$123boobboo5boobboo$127boo5boo!
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: August 27th, 2009, 12:11 am
by Extrementhusiast
Here's a prubnesieh! (inverted heisenburp)
Code: Select all
x = 105, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
56bo$57b2o$55b2o$16b2o39bo$16b2o2$57b2o2b2o$57b2o2b2o7$15b3o$14bo3bo$
13bo5bo$14bo3bo$15b3o$15b3o2$11b2o76b2o$10bobo75b2o$2o7bo6b2o72bo$2o7b
o2bo2bo2bo24bo2bo$9bo6b2o29bo$10bobo30bo3bo$11b2o31b4o4$30b2o$31bo$31b
obo7b2o$32b2o6bobo$39bo13bobo$39bo2bo6b2o2bo2bo$39bo8bobo5b2o$40bobo3b
o3bo3bo3b2o4b2o17b2o$41b2o2b2ob3o5b2o6b2o17b2o$48b2o3bo2bo$53bobo15bo
20bo$34b2o34b3o19b3o$28b2o4bobo33bob2o21bo$28b2o4bo4bo31b3o20b2o$39bob
o29b2o9b3o10b3o$39b2o55bobo$27bob2o51bobo10bo3bo$27bobo51b5o9b5o$28bo
24b2o25b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o$28b2o11b3o2bo5bo3bo23b2o3b2o8b5o$28b2o7bo3bo9bo
5bo3b2o33b3o$28b2o5bobo4bo8bo3bob2o2b2o34bo$33b2o16bo5bo24b2o$33b2o17b
o3bo24b2ob2o$33b2o18b2o27bo2bo$29b2o4bobo44bo15bo$28bobo6bo47bo9b2o$
28bo54b2o10b3o$27b2o67b2o$96bo$78b2o3b2o10bobo$79b5o11b2o$80b3o6bo$81b
o$91b2o3b2obob2o2$96bo5bo2$97b2ob2o$78b2o19bo$79bo$76b3o$76bo12b4o8b2o
$88bo7b2o3bo$80bobo5bo3b2o2b2o4b3o$80b2o7bo2b2o10bo$81bo7$61bo$60bobo$
48b2o10b2obo4b3o$48b2o10b2ob2o3b3o$60b2obo$60bobo$61bo$66b2o3b2o$67b5o
$68b3o$69bo8$68b2o$68b2o!
...which can easily be converted into a standard heisenburp, but it is not a "true" heisenburp because the glider gets affected.
Code: Select all
x = 181, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
56bo$57b2o$55b2o$16b2o39bo$16b2o2$57b2o2b2o$57b2o2b2o7$15b3o$14bo3bo$
13bo5bo117b2o$14bo3bo57bobo58b2o$15b3o59b2o$15b3o59bo72b2o$150b2o$11b
2o76b2o$10bobo75b2o47bo$2o7bo6b2o72bo46bo13bo$2o7bo2bo2bo2bo24bo2bo89b
obo11b3o$9bo6b2o29bo87b2ob2o9bo3bo$10bobo30bo3bo86bo5bo10bo$11b2o31b4o
89bo10bo5bo$134b2o3b2o7bo5bo$149bo3bo$150b3o$30b2o103b4o$31bo103bo2b2o
$31bobo7b2o93bob2o$32b2o6bobo$39bo13bobo81b2o10bo$39bo2bo6b2o2bo2bo81b
o$39bo8bobo5b2o$40bobo3bo3bo3bo3b2o4b2o17b2o64bo$41b2o2b2ob3o5b2o6b2o
17b2o47b2obob2o10bobo$48b2o3bo2bo75bo5bo5bo4b2o$53bobo15bo20bo40bo3bo
7bo$34b2o34b3o19b3o39b3o6b3o$28b2o4bobo33bob2o21bo$28b2o4bo4bo31b3o20b
2o54b2o3b2o$39bobo29b2o9b3o10b3o44bo$39b2o55bobo42bo9bo3bo$27bob2o51bo
bo10bo3bo6bobo32b3o8b3o$27bobo51b5o9b5o7b2o23b2o18b3o$28bo24b2o25b2o3b
2o7b2o3b2o6bo25bo$28b2o11b3o2bo5bo3bo23b2o3b2o8b5o30b3o$28b2o7bo3bo9bo
5bo3b2o33b3o20b2o9bo15bo8b2o$28b2o5bobo4bo8bo3bob2o2b2o34bo20b2o22b2o
2b2ob3o3bo$33b2o16bo5bo24b2o36bo21b2o4b4o4b3o$33b2o17bo3bo24b2ob2o60b
2o10bo$33b2o18b2o27bo2bo$29b2o4bobo44bo15bo$28bobo6bo47bo9b2o$28bo54b
2o10b3o$27b2o67b2o$96bo$78b2o3b2o10bobo$79b5o11b2o$80b3o6bo$81bo$91b2o
3b2obob2o2$96bo5bo2$97b2ob2o$78b2o19bo$79bo$76b3o$76bo12b4o8b2o$88bo7b
2o3bo$80bobo5bo3b2o2b2o4b3o$80b2o7bo2b2o10bo$81bo7$61bo$60bobo$48b2o
10b2obo4b3o$48b2o10b2ob2o3b3o$60b2obo$60bobo$61bo$66b2o3b2o$67b5o$68b
3o$69bo8$68b2o$68b2o8$179b2o$178b2o$180bo!
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 11th, 2009, 11:49 pm
by Extrementhusiast
And could somebody show me this "MWSS heisenburp"?
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 4:56 am
by PM 2Ring
calcyman wrote:Here's a nice p120 HWSS Heisenburp duplicator based on a stable reaction I found:
As you can see, the gun can be replaced with any gun of period 8n, where n is a sufficiently large positive integer.
Yes, it is nice, but I just noticed that collisions occur for streams of period 120, 240 & 480, but 360 works ok.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 5:31 am
by PM 2Ring
Extrementhusiast wrote:And could somebody show me this "MWSS heisenburp"?
How about this (which uses the technique of killing gliders by *WSS sparks) ?
Code: Select all
x = 288, y = 105, rule = B3/S23
237bo$237bobo$230bo7bobo7bo$222b2o6bo7bo2bo6b2o$221bobo14bobo2b2o4b2o$
206bobo11bo16bobo3b2o4b3o7b2o$201bo4bo2bo10bo2bo13bo5b2o4b2o8b2o$202b
2o5b2o9bo27b2o$197b2o8bo3b2o8bobo24bo$197b2o10b2o11b2o12bo$206bo2bo8bo
16bo$206bobo10b2o14b3o$218b2o6$225bobo$226b2o$226bo13$240bobo$241b2o$
241bo3$2bo29bo29bo59bo59bo29bo$o3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo55bo3bo55bo3bo25bo3bo
$5bo29bo29bo59bo59bo29bo$o4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo54bo4bo54bo4bo24bo4bo$b5o
25b5o25b5o55b5o55b5o25b5o6$255bobo$256b2o$256bo8$222b2o$222b3o$208bo
15b2obo$206bobo4b3o8bo2bo12bo$205bobo16b2obo11bobo$199b2o3bo2bo7bo2b2o
2b3o14b2obo7b2o18bobo$199b2o4bobo7bo3bo2b2o15b2ob2o6bobo18b2o$206bobo
6bo2bo20b2obob3o6bo17bo$208bo8b2o20bobo2bo2bo2bo2bo7b2o$240bo4b2o6bo7b
2o$250bobo$210b2o38b2o$210bo15bo$199bo8bobo13bobo10bobo$199b2o7b2o15b
2o10b2o$187b2o11b2o29bo6bo$186b3o3bo7b3o9b3o15b3o$183bob2o4b4o5b2o29bo
bo$176b2o5bo2bo4bo4bo2b2o10bo3bo19b2o$176b2o5bob2o5bo3bo2bo11bo3bo15b
2obo$186b3o3b2obo34b3o52bobo$187b2o23b3o15b3o53b2o$286bo2$200bobo9b3o$
201b2o$201bo9bo3bo$211bo3bo$222bobo$212b3o7b2o17bo29bo$223bo15bo3bo25b
o3bo$208bo35bo29bo$209b2o28bo4bo24bo4bo$208b2o3b2o25b5o25b5o$214b2o$
213bo3$199bo$196b4o3bob2o$188b2o5b4o4bobob2o2b2o$188b2o5bo2bo3b2obob2o
2bobo$195b4o3b2o8b3o7b2o$196b4o3b2o8b3o6b2o$199bo12b3o$211bobo$211b2o!
Or did you want something more "pure"?
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 7:54 am
by knightlife
PM 2Ring wrote:Or did you want something more "pure"?
How can it be more pure? The original MWSS stream is totally unaffected. This implementation is about as plain and simple as possible! It can be made more compact but not more "pure".
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 10:46 am
by Extrementhusiast
No, I was looking for these:
...there are two different MWSS Heisenburp detection reactions, neither of which uses any guns.
Sorry, it's just that I can't bother to search a pattern that big for very long. (I get impatient rather quickly)
Also if somebody finds them, could they show where in the metapixel they are?
EDIT: Typo.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 10:54 am
by calcyman
These are the two
MWSS flyby with glider out of the blue reactions:
Code: Select all
x = 153, y = 57, rule = S23/B3
118boo5boo$118boo5boo10$118b3o3b3o$117bobbo3bobbo$121bobo$121bobo$121b
obo$117bobbo3bobbo$100boo7b4o5bo7bo$85boo12bobbo6bo3bo$85boo11boobbo
10bo$99bobbo4boboobo$100bo6b3o9bo$117booboo$100bo6b3o$99bobbo4boboo6b
ooboo$85boo11boobbo8bo5bo3bo$85boo12bobbo6boo7b3o$100boo7bo15boo$125b
oo3$25bo45bo$23bo3bo41bo3bo$b5o22bo18b5o22bo$o4bo17bo4bo17bo4bo17bo4bo
$5bo18b5o22bo18b5o$o3bo41bo3bo98boo$bbo45bo100bobo$151bo$151boo$73b3o
7boo$62boo8bobboo7bo$61boo13bo6bo$54bo7b5o5b3obo7b3o$52b3o8b4o7bo11bo$
51bo20boobbo$52b3o8b4o5boo$54bo7b5o6b4o$61boo11boo$62boo10b3o$76boobo$
76boob3o$82bo$76boob3o$77bobo$77bobo$78bo!
I think that they're due to Peter Rott; they're in his collection, at least.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 13th, 2009, 11:54 am
by dvgrn
The left-hand MWSS glider-out-of-the-blue reaction that Calcyman posted is used here and there around the perimeter of the metapixel, to generate the eight ON signals going out to neighbor metacells.
I described the other reaction wrong, the one that creates a perpendicular LWSS -- the flyby reaction uses an HWSS, not an MWSS. It's very easy to find, since there are lots of copies of it all around the edge of the central square, generating the LWSSes that fill the metapixel area when the cell is in an ON state.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 14th, 2009, 6:24 pm
by Extrementhusiast
OK, mainly looking for SS-glider p30-based heisenburps.
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 14th, 2009, 6:38 pm
by triller
OK, mainly looking for SS-glider p30-based heisenburps.
Just posted a device on triller's p30 thread with a MW to glider heisenburp.
Has a p60 LW to glider burp as well.
triller
Re: New Heisenburp Reaction
Posted: September 14th, 2009, 11:26 pm
by Extrementhusiast
Never mind, found an arbitrary p60 SS (LWSS, MWSS, or HWSS) one:
Code: Select all
x = 287, y = 132, rule = B3/S23
14$120b2o$120bo9bo$110bobo5bobo9bobo$109bo2bo5b2o13b2o6b2o$99bo8b2o23b
2o4bo3bo$98bobo5b2o3bo21b2o3bo5bo8b2o$86b2o10b2obo6b2o11b2o7bobo4b2obo
3bo8b2o$86b2o10b2ob2o6bo2bo7bobo7bo7bo5bo$98b2obo8bobo7bo18bo3bo$98bob
o18b2o20b2o$99bo9bo21bo$110bo18b2o$108b3o19b2o6$117bo4bobo$115bobo4b2o
$116b2o5bo3$127b2o$127bobo$124bo4bo$125bo3b2o$123b3o11$248b2o$27b2o58b
o159bo2bo$25bo4bo54bo3bo25bo2bo20bo107bobo$31bo58bo28bo20bo107bo$25bo
5bo53bo4bo24bo3bo18b3o$26b6o54b5o25b4o5$201b2o$191b2o9bo$191b2o9bobo7b
2o$178bo4bo10b2o7b2o6bobo$176bobo4bo10b3o13bo13bobo$168b2o4b2o7bo10b2o
14bo2bo6b2o2bo2bo$168b2o4b2o11b2o2b2o7b2o8bo8bobo5b2o6b2o$154bo19b2o8b
2o2bo2b2o7bobo8bobo3bo3bo3bo3b2o4b2o$155bo20bobo5b4o14bo9b2o2b2ob3o5b
2o$153b3o22bo7bo15b2o15b2o3bo2bo$224bobo3$193bobo14bo$194b2o14bobo$
194bo15b2o5$203bo$202bo$169bo32b3o$170bo23b2o$168b3o22bobo$193bo$192b
2o9$188bo$187bo$184bo2b3o$185bo$183b3o!
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