Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by wwei23 » November 23rd, 2020, 9:48 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 23rd, 2020, 9:43 pm
A thunderbird sequence forms (although it crashes into the remaining block soon afterwards).
This gets catalyzed by its own block.

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
9bo$7b2o$bo6b2o$obo$b2o3$6b2o$6b2o!
Why is it so hard to find a sacrificial object to replace a permanent one sometimes?

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
11bo$9b2o$2o8b2o$obobo$3b2o3$8b2o$8b2o!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » December 1st, 2020, 2:59 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
October 25th, 2020, 7:41 pm
To my surprise, it makes two Hershcels minus their first natural gliders, which I had been wondering about ways to make a while back. I decided to look for predecessors, and after finding 3b2o$b2obo$ob2o$2o. I continued looking for predecessors and found this instead.
Here is an eight-cell predecessor.

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3S23
2o$obo2$bobo$2b2o!
Here is how I found it.

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = Symbiosis
19.B$7.A12.2A$2B5.B11.2A2.B$2B14.2A2.A.A$16.3A.A.2AB$16.A3.A.A$15.A.A
2.A.B$15.A4.A$16.A.A.2A.BA$16.5A$17.3A7$6.B$6.A!
The eight-cell object occurs at generation 612.



Edit: Here is a way to create four copies of that bottleneck with only ten cells.

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x = 13, y = 4, rule = Conway's Life
2o9b2o$bo9bo$bo9bo$o11bo!


Another edit: Here is a three-glider synthesis of two Herschels without their first natural gliders.

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x = 18, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
10bo$9bo$9b3o9$b2o$obo$2bo12b2o$15bobo$15bo!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » January 14th, 2021, 8:54 pm

Here is a 3c/8 partial:

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x = 7, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$o3bo$bobo$6bo$4b2o!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by JP21 » January 28th, 2021, 10:09 am

I have finally rediscovered figure eight:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bo2bo$10b2o3bo$12b3o$12bo$7bo$6b3o$5bo3bo$6b3o$bo5bo$obo
$bobo$2bobo$3bobo$4bo!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by dvgrn » January 28th, 2021, 11:49 am

JP21 wrote:
January 28th, 2021, 10:09 am
I have finally rediscovered figure eight:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bo2bo$10b2o3bo$12b3o$12bo$7bo$6b3o$5bo3bo$6b3o$bo5bo$obo
$bobo$2bobo$3bobo$4bo!
Nice! It can be a little simpler and cleaner, and there are a lot of variants that work -- like tubs instead of boats here:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o9b2o$12b2o$14b2o$14b2o4$9b2o$2b2o4bo2bo$2bobo4b2o$3bo$6bo$5bo
bo$6b2o!
I forget, are there known stable 1G seeds for a figure eight?

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » January 28th, 2021, 12:11 pm

dvgrn wrote:
January 28th, 2021, 11:49 am
Nice! It can be a little simpler and cleaner, and there are a lot of variants that work -- like tubs instead of boats here:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o9b2o$12b2o$14b2o$14b2o4$9b2o$2b2o4bo2bo$2bobo4b2o$3bo$6bo$5bo
bo$6b2o!
A loaf can be used instead of a beacon (and would probably be easier to make).

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o10b2o$12bo2bo$13bobo$14bo4$9b2o$2b2o4bo2bo$2bobo4b2o$3bo$6bo
$5bobo$6b2o!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by bubblegum » January 28th, 2021, 12:43 pm

JP21 wrote:
January 28th, 2021, 10:09 am
I have finally rediscovered figure eight:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bo2bo$10b2o3bo$12b3o$12bo$7bo$6b3o$5bo3bo$6b3o$bo5bo$obo
$bobo$2bobo$3bobo$4bo!
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Even more worthless explanation.

Post by JP21 » January 28th, 2021, 1:39 pm

I checked the LifeWiki for the glider synthesis right after posting that and found this:

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x = 29, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
26bobo$26b2o$27bo6$18bo$16bobo$17b2o5bo$23bo$23b3o18$2o$b2o$o$4bo$4b2o
$3bobo!
So I thought "hey, it was a useless boring quite known accidental rediscovery after all" and moved on with the night.
I checked back forums and I was like "wait what :shock: ".

Also I was trying to find a honey farm hassler.

Edit: Eater 4 was the idea with the still life I placed down.
but the post below just thought it wasn't an eater 4 idea
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by A for awesome » January 28th, 2021, 4:06 pm

JP21 wrote:
January 28th, 2021, 10:09 am
I have finally rediscovered figure eight:

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rle
Now with catalysts! (Not sure why you would want to do this using catalysts though...)

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x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bobo$12bo$8b4ob2o$8bo2bobobo$13bobo$13bo2b2o$12b2o4bo$14b5o$14b
o4b2o$9bo7b2o2bo$8b3o7bob2o$7bo3bo6bo$8b3o6b2o$2b2o5bo$bobo$bo$2o$6b2o
$7bo$4b3o$4bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by Jormungant » February 2nd, 2021, 10:32 pm

G+blinker-to-glider:

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x = 30, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
3$10.3C3$11.2DB$10.B2D2B$10.6B6.2A$5.2A.7BAB5.A$4.A.A7BABA2.BA.A$4.A
3.6B2A2B.B2A$3.2A3.12B$8.12B$8.12B$6.2AB.9B$5.A.AB.10B$5.A4.6B.4B$4.
2A5.5B2.4B$12.3B4.2B2C$12.2B6.BCBC$11.4B6.CB$12.B2AB$13.2A!
On the wrong phase, it explodes sadly...

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x = 27, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
3$10.C$9.BCB$10.C2$10.2DB$9.B2D2B$9.6B6.2A$4.2A.7BAB5.A$3.A.A7BABA2.B
A.A$3.A3.6B2A2B.B2A$2.2A3.12B$7.12B$7.12B$5.2AB.9B$4.A.AB.10B$4.A4.6B
.4B$3.2A5.5B2.4B$11.3B4.2B2C$11.2B6.BCBC$10.4B6.CB$11.B2AB$12.2A!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » February 3rd, 2021, 9:37 pm

A blinker can eat an R-sequence.

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x = 14, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b3o$b4o$ob3o$o$bo6b2o$7b3o2b2o$5b2o2bo2b2o$5bob2o!
I'm probably not the first person to see that.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by hotdogPi » February 5th, 2021, 2:06 pm

Lumps of muck becomes sidewalk on a 15×14 torus in the correct orientation.

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x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23:T15,14
4$7b3o$6bo2bo$6b3o!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by FUNNYMAN2 » February 5th, 2021, 10:50 pm

So I accidentally found a pattern that purely makes 4 gliders
I put on the side a big example of how it is normally at normal blocks (÷3)
and then the little course of how it goes

I am too bad at re-programming it here so I'll just put it here so you can do it yourself (sorry)

I also accidentally discovered something else but I don't know if that counts
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by dvgrn » February 5th, 2021, 11:04 pm

FUNNYMAN2 wrote:
February 5th, 2021, 10:50 pm
So I accidentally found a pattern that purely makes 4 gliders...
Yup, these things -- "pure glider generators" -- were a relatively hot item in the early 1970s; they got mentioned in early LIFELINE newsletters. Now there are so many of them that we don't know what to do with them, but it's still a good place to start exploring Conway's Life.

Here's your pattern in LifeViewer format:

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$2bobobo$bobobob2o$obobobo2bo$o2bobobobo$b2obobobo$3bobobo$
3bo2bo$4b2o!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 PAUSE 2 AUTOSTART Z 12 LOOP 100 GPS 12 ]]

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by FUNNYMAN2 » February 6th, 2021, 9:18 pm

dvgrn wrote:
February 5th, 2021, 11:04 pm
FUNNYMAN2 wrote:
February 5th, 2021, 10:50 pm
So I accidentally found a pattern that purely makes 4 gliders...
Yup, these things -- "pure glider generators" -- were a relatively hot item in the early 1970s; they got mentioned in early LIFELINE newsletters. Now there are so many of them that we don't know what to do with them, but it's still a good place to start exploring Conway's Life.

Here's your pattern in LifeViewer format:

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$2bobobo$bobobob2o$obobobo2bo$o2bobobobo$b2obobobo$3bobobo$
3bo2bo$4b2o!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 PAUSE 2 AUTOSTART Z 12 LOOP 100 GPS 12 ]]
nice

Sorry if it's outdated ?

At least, I made something
it can go in useless discoveries lol

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » February 6th, 2021, 9:21 pm

FUNNYMAN2 wrote:
February 5th, 2021, 10:50 pm
So I accidentally found a pattern that purely makes 4 gliders
Removing four of the cells delays the reaction by one generation.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$4bobo$bo3bob2o$obobobo2bo$o2bobobobo$b2obo3bo$3bobo$3bo2bo$4b2o!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by FUNNYMAN2 » February 10th, 2021, 9:17 am

MathAndCode wrote:
February 6th, 2021, 9:21 pm
FUNNYMAN2 wrote:
February 5th, 2021, 10:50 pm
So I accidentally found a pattern that purely makes 4 gliders
Removing four of the cells delays the reaction by one generation.

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$4bobo$bo3bob2o$obobobo2bo$o2bobobobo$b2obo3bo$3bobo$3bo2bo$4b2o!
OOOooooo
cool! :3

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by RamenGuy217 » February 10th, 2021, 1:25 pm

I think I accidentally discovered an eater of some sort - similar to eater 1, but it requires and exact copy of itself mirrored to be stable. Code for demonstration below:

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x = 28, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
3$21bo$20bo$20b3o2$12b2o3b2o$12bobobobo$14bobo$14bobo$13b2ob2o$14bobo$
13bo3bo$13b2ob2o!
Let me know if this exists already or can be used in any way.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by mniemiec » February 10th, 2021, 1:38 pm

RamenGuy217 wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 1:25 pm
I think I accidentally discovered an eater of some sort - similar to eater 1, but it requires and exact copy of itself mirrored to be stable. Code for demonstration below: ... Let me know if this exists already or can be used in any way.
Many still-lifes that have the "eater head" part of Eater-1 can eat things the same way. In this case, what is important is the top 8 cells on the left - i.e. a long bookend (or long-hook); the rest is totally irrelevant to the eating process, and can be replaced by anything else that is stable. The long bookend alone can be stabilized by a block in one of two ways. Also, one half of the pattern you showed can be stabilized by many different still-lifes or inductors that have either a single cell on the edge (e.g. a tub), or three cells on the edge (e.g. a bookend).

In many large constructions (e.g. oscillators, conduits, guns), it's necessary to have several eating mechanisms close together, so two eater-1s would not fit together. In many such cases, it's possible to combine several of the eater heads (and possibly other mechanisms) into a customized eater that can eat things from multiple sides.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by creeperman7002 » February 10th, 2021, 1:41 pm

RamenGuy217 wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 1:25 pm
I think I accidentally discovered an eater of some sort - similar to eater 1, but it requires and exact copy of itself mirrored to be stable. Code for demonstration below:

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x = 28, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
3$21bo$20bo$20b3o2$12b2o3b2o$12bobobobo$14bobo$14bobo$13b2ob2o$14bobo$
13bo3bo$13b2ob2o!
Let me know if this exists already or can be used in any way.
That eater is actually a variant of Eater 1. Variants of common eaters (especially small ones) were probably discovered years ago. Even if it wasn't known, it won't be that exciting, as per a forum rule:
Forum rules wrote: Some specific examples of discoveries that won't be of interest to this community include:
A new still life.
A methuselah that lasts fewer than 20,000 generations or is larger than a 20-by-20 box.
An alternate stabilization for a reaction (unless it is smaller than the smallest currently known).
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by JP21 » February 10th, 2021, 1:42 pm

RamenGuy217 wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 1:25 pm
I think I accidentally discovered an eater of some sort - similar to eater 1, but it requires and exact copy of itself mirrored to be stable. Code for demonstration below:

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x = 28, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
3$21bo$20bo$20b3o2$12b2o3b2o$12bobobobo$14bobo$14bobo$13b2ob2o$14bobo$
13bo3bo$13b2ob2o!
Let me know if this exists already or can be used in any way.
Use the code tag </> when showing the pattern.
That is in no way a nice discovery. It's probably a known 24-bit still life. It's just a stator variant eater. There's also these:

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x = 11, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bo$8b3o2$2o3b2o$obobobo$2bobo$2bobo4bo$3bo4bo$8b3o2$2o3b2o$obobob
o$2bobo$2bobo$b2ob2o!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » February 10th, 2021, 3:00 pm

RamenGuy217 wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 1:25 pm
I think I accidentally discovered an eater of some sort - similar to eater 1, but it requires and exact copy of itself mirrored to be stable.
The other side can be stabilized by a tub.

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bo$8b3o2$5b2o$4bobo$bo2bo$obobo$bo2b2o$4bo$5bo$4b2o!
However, typically, people use a simple fishhook when they can because it's smaller and easier to construct. Your method could be useful if a fishhook-type catalysis and a snake-type catalysis in that particular arrangement is required, but a long hook (or, in some cases, a dock) on a fishhook would work just as well and would likely be easier to construct.

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x = 17, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
14b3o$14bo$14b3o$6b2o$5bobo$5bo$4b2o2$2b4o$2bo3bo$5b2o6$2b2o$2b2o2b3o
$6bo$6bo$7bo23$14b3o$14bo$14b3o$6b2o$5bobo$5bo$4b2o2$2b4o$bo4bo$b2o2b
2o5$bo$b2o$obo!
Therefore, your method would only be advantageous if a third catalysis were needed with tight enough clearance to require a weld, which would be very unlikely.

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x = 25, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
3o19b3o$3bo18bo$o2bo18b3o$bobo10b2o$3b4o6bobo$2b2o2bo3bo2bo$3b3o3bobo
bo$4bo5bo2b2o$13bo$4b2o8bo$4b2o7b2o6$10b2o$10b2o2b3o$14bo$14bo$15bo23$
22b3o$22bo$7bo14b3o$6bo2b2o3b2o$7bobobobobo$11bobo$10b2obo$13b2o$13bo
$14bo$13b2o6$10b2o$10b2o2b3o$14bo$14bo$15bo!
By the way, could someone please give me examples of bookend catalyses? I don't know how to detect them, the backwards V spark is the only one that I know, and I'm not even sure if it's possible to get the V spark in that position.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by toroidalet » February 10th, 2021, 7:53 pm

The main catalysis with a bookend is the v-spark method, as you mentioned:

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x = 25, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$obobobo2bobobobo2bobobobo$2bobo6bobo6bobo$b2ob
2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o2$3bo8bo8bo$2bobo6bobo6bobo$12bo6bo3bo$20bo!
The important part is that the cell right below the bookends survives for a generation and the cells to the left and right are not birthed. Thus, you may have an interaction like this, although it is much rarer (including an unsuccessful catalysis and a bonus component I found):

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x = 43, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$obobobo2bobobobo2bobobobo2bobob
obo2bobobobo$2bobo6bobo6bobo6bobo6bobo$b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o4b2o
b2o$37bo3bo$3bo8bo8bo8bo7bobo$b5o4b3o6b3o6b3o6bo3bo$12bo17bo$12bo!
It can also act as a double rock, although this is much less likely (and a hat is usually used instead):

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x = 53, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
b2o3b2o12b2o3b2o17b2o3b2o$bobobobo12bobobobo17bobobobo$3bobo16bobo21bo
bo$2b2ob2o14b2ob2o19b2ob2o2$bo5bo$b2o3b2o$obo3bobo2$43b3o3b3o$19b3o3b
3o14bo2bo3bo2bo$19bo2bobo2bo17bo3bo$19bo7bo!
Note that the bookend can sometimes be replaced with a pair of eaters:

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x = 9, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
o7bo$3o3b3o$3bobo$2b2ob2o2$4bo$3bobo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » February 10th, 2021, 7:58 pm

toroidalet wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 7:53 pm
The main catalysis with a bookend is the v-spark method, as you mentioned:

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x = 25, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$obobobo2bobobobo2bobobobo$2bobo6bobo6bobo$b2ob
2o4b2ob2o4b2ob2o2$3bo8bo8bo$2bobo6bobo6bobo$12bo6bo3bo$20bo!
I meant when only one bookend is engaging in the catalysis.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Post by Extrementhusiast » February 18th, 2021, 7:34 pm

Two-sided three-glider collision plus eater catalysis makes clean MWSS:

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x = 11, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
10bo$8b2o$9b2o3$2bo$obo2bo$b2o2bobo$5b2o6$7b2o$7bo$8b3o$10bo!
MathAndCode wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 7:58 pm
toroidalet wrote:
February 10th, 2021, 7:53 pm
The main catalysis with a bookend is the v-spark method, as you mentioned:

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RLE
I meant when only one bookend is engaging in the catalysis.
I actually see a different type of catalysis more frequently, which sometimes leaves an inducting block. Fortunately, hitting the block from the side triggers the desired catalysis. For example:

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x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
bo$2b2o$b2o3$6bobo7b2ob2o$7b2o8bobo$7bo7bobobobo$15b2o3b2o$8b3o$10bo$
9bo8$3o$2bo$bo!
I Like My Heisenburps! (and others)

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