Small color-changing stable reflector!

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Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Extrementhusiast » April 1st, 2017, 11:15 am

I think this pattern speaks for itself:

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x = 41, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
8$8bo3b4o2b4o2b5obo$7bobo2bo3bobo3bo3bo3bo$6bo3bobo3bobo3bo3bo3bo$6b5o
b4o2b4o4bo3bo$6bo3bobo5bo3bo3bo3bo$6bo3bobo5bo3bo3bo3bo$6bo3bobo5bo3bo
b5ob5o2$6b5o2b3o3b3o2bo6b3o$6bo5bo3bobo3bobo5bo3bo$6bo5bo3bobo3bobo5bo
$6b3o3bo3bobo3bobo6b3o$6bo5bo3bobo3bobo9bo$6bo5bo3bobo3bobo5bo3bo$6bo
6b3o3b3o2b5o2b3o!
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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by gmc_nxtman » April 1st, 2017, 11:27 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:I think this pattern speaks for itself:

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Congratulations! Wow, there goes the gun collection...

EDIT: What should we name it?

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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by dvgrn » April 1st, 2017, 12:04 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:I think this pattern speaks for itself:

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Congratulations! Wow, there goes the gun collection...
It looks familiar somehow. Wasn't it used in the fine-structure constant calculator somewhere?

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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Goldtiger997 » April 1st, 2017, 10:18 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:I think this pattern speaks for itself:

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Wow! Congratulations! How did you find it?
gmc_nxtman wrote: EDIT: What should we name it?
Hmm... perhaps something to do with the day it was discovered on.

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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Extrementhusiast » April 2nd, 2017, 2:05 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:I think this pattern speaks for itself:

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Wow! Congratulations! How did you find it?
Trying some unusual (but known) catalyses on a pi. One of them happened to drop a beehive in the right spot, and the rest was just trying to coax a glider out of the remaining mess.
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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Saka » April 2nd, 2017, 2:07 am

Amazing! Name it "Fools Gold" perhaps?
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!
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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Gamedziner » April 2nd, 2017, 6:46 am

In all honesty, I'd like to find a small stable reflector with ridiculously low repeat time. I'm thinking of using a p20 or less gun plus an eater to search for one using WLS's oscillator search function. To that end, I'd like to know: What is the smallest known glider gun with a (true) period less than or equal to 20?

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x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
$4.2A18$4.2A$4.2A2.2A$8.2A!

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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by dvgrn » April 2nd, 2017, 9:02 am

Gamedziner wrote:In all honesty, I'd like to find a small stable reflector with ridiculously low repeat time. I'm thinking of using a p20 or less gun plus an eater to search for one using WLS's oscillator search function. To that end, I'd like to know: What is the smallest known glider gun with a (true) period less than or equal to 20?
P20 is the smallest true-period gun known to date. You can tell by checking chris_c's lists of glider-gun bounding boxes -- if we had a lower-period true gun, we could throw away a huge-bounding-box p14 to p19 pseudogun.

Before you start a WLS search for a p20 glider-stream reflector, read this estimate about p19 oscillator searches, and then see if you can find a way to constrain your search enough to remove at least 900 zeroes from the time estimate. If your search space is smaller than 20x20, of course that will help proportionally -- e.g., at 14x14, the search time estimate might have "only" about 450 zeroes in it.

Alternatively, to get a sense of how quickly high-period searches can get awful in WLS, start with something simpler: maybe tell WLS about a p20 oscillator --

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x = 28, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
4b2o9b2o$3bo2bo2b3o2bo2bo$3b3o2b5o2b3o$b2o3b9o$obo2bo9bo4b2o$obobobo7b
2o3bo2bo$bobobo13bobo2bo2bo$3bo5bo8b2obob5o$3b2o3bobo6bo3bo$3b3o2bo2bo
5bo4bob2o$3b3o5bo5bo3b2o3bo$3b3o2bo2bo5bo4bobobo$3b2o3bobo6bo3bo3bo$3b
o5bo8b2obob2o$bobobo13bobobo$obobobo7b2o3bobo2bo$obo2bo9bo4bo2b2o$b2o
3b9o$3b3o2b5o2b3o$3bo2bo2b3o2bo2bo$4b2o9b2o!
-- and then progressively remove more and more known cells from all 20 phases, and see how long it takes WLS to find the oscillator again. With just a few missing cells WLS will be able to work wonders at patching things up, but as more cells become unknown the task gets exponentially more difficult, and at some point you suddenly cross the boundary where you're waiting around for days or weeks to get a result.

Also, without a prime-period true gun I think your proposed method might discover something p2/p4/p5/p10 instead of stable. That would still be a good discovery, but without a lot of clever constraints it seems likely to take billions of years of CPU time to get there.

-- No harm in trying, of course! But your likelihood of success goes way up if you develop a good sense of what size of WLS search can be run to completion.

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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by Rhombic » April 3rd, 2017, 2:37 pm

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x = 256, y = 256, rule = LifeHistory
18$53.2C$53.2C4$36.A3.4A2.4A2.5A.A$35.A.A2.A3.A.A3.A3.A3.A$34.A3.A.A3.
A.A3.A3.A3.A$34.5A.4A2.4A4.A3.A$34.A3.A.A5.A3.A3.A3.A$34.A3.A.A5.A3.A
3.A3.A$34.A3.A.A5.A3.A.5A.5A2$34.5A2.3A3.3A2.A6.3A$34.A5.A3.A.A3.A.A5.
A3.A$34.A5.A3.A.A3.A.A5.A$34.3A3.A3.A.A3.A.A6.3A$34.A5.A3.A.A3.A.A9.A
$34.A5.A3.A.A3.A.A5.A3.A$34.A6.3A3.3A2.5A2.3A3$61.C$61.C$61.C!
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Re: Small color-changing stable reflector!

Post by MikeP » April 3rd, 2017, 5:46 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:I think this pattern speaks for itself:
Looks like I owe you a prize:

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x = 21, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
21o$o19bo$o3bo4bo3bo3bo2bo$o2b4ob2o2bobobobobo$obobo4bo2bobobobobo$o2b
3o3bo2bobobobobo$o3bobo2bo2bobobobobo$ob4o3bo2bobobobobo$o3bo3b3o2bo3b
o2bo$o19bo$21o!
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