## Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

codeholic wrote:Nice. If it is stabilized it will almost certainly yield a p34 using known techniques for doubling the period because of large sparks it produces.
Indeed, here is one such potential technique (this mechanism was found by Noam Elkies in 2010):

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x = 26, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
22b2o2$21bo$20bobo$4bo6b3o5bo3bobo$5bo13bo3bo$o5bo12bo3bo$6bo13bobo$6b o4b3o7bo$bo3bo$2b3o16bo$20bobo$2b3o14bo3bo$bo3bo13bo3bo$6bo12bo3bobo$
6bo13bobo$o5bo14bo$5bo$4bo17b2o!  -Matthias Merzenich Scorbie Posts: 1537 Joined: December 7th, 2013, 1:05 am ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete These are the results when I fed the dependent block to catforce. Many of them are interesting for their own sake, and are quite nice potential conduits. Code: Select all x = 523, y = 3904, rule = B3/S23 16bo$16b3o$19bo$18b2o2$21b2o$20bobo$20b2o22$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$
18b2obo59$bo$b3o$4bo$3b2o11b2o$16b2o23$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2ob
o60$8b2o$8b2o$16b2o$16b2o23$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo61$321bo$24bo294b3o92b2o98b2o$22b3o192b2o99bo95b2o98b2o$21bo195b2o99b2o$21b2o$26b2o77b2o18b2o$26bo79bo18bo$24bobo79bobo14bobo$24b2o81b2o14b2o$224bo 98bo98bo98bo$223bobo96bobo96bobo96bobo$224b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o14$19b2o
97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo98b
o98bo98bo98bo$19b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b
2obo95b2obo95b2obo60$24b2o$24bo$22bobo$18b2o2b2o79bo13b2o$18b2o83b3o 11b2o$106bo$105b2o20$19b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo$19b3o96b3o$18b2o
bo95b2obo64$28b2o$22bo5bo$21bobo2bobo$21bobo2b2o$22bo18$19b2o$19b2o10$
20bo$19b3o$18b2obo64$19b2o$18bobo$19bo6$25b2o$25b2o13$19b2o$19b2o10$
20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$222bo197bo$19b2o97b2o100b3o93b2o100b3o$18bobo96bo bo99bo95bobo99bo$19bo90b2o6bo90b2o8b2o95bo100b2o$111bo98bo$111bobo96bo
bo$112b2o97b2o$26bo$25bobo281b2o97b2o$26b2o281b2o97b2o14$19b2o97b2o97b 2o97b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo98bo98bo98bo$19b3o96b
3o96b3o96b3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo95b2obo63$24bo98bo$22b3o 96b3o$21bo98bo$21b2o97b2o4$26b2o$26b2o97b2o$125b2o14$19b2o97b2o$19b2o
97b2o10$20bo98bo$19b3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo63$24bo$22b3o$21bo$21b2o6$
25b2o$25b2o13$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo61$31b2o$31bo$29bobo$29b
2o2$26b2o$25bobo$26bo18$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo65$8bo$8b3o$11bo$10b2o8$10b2o$11bo$8b3o$8bo7$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$
18b2o$18b2o$9bo$9b3o$12bo$11b2o18$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo65$9bo$9b3o14b2o$12bo13bo$11b2o11bobo$24b2o17$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$
18b2obo65$9bo$9b3o$12bo$11b2o2$26bo$25bobo$26b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo64$26bo$13b2o9b3o$14bo8bo$14bobo6b2o$15b2o18$19b2o$19b2o 10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo65$13b2o9b2o$14bo9bo$14bobo5bobo$15b2o5b2o18$19b 2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo65$13b2o97b2o$14bo98bo$14bobo96bobo$15b2o 97b2o2$26b2o$26b2o97b2o$125b2o14$19b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo$19b
3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo65$13b2o$14bo$14bobo$15b2o3$27b2o$27b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo65$13b2o$14bo$14bobo$15b2o5$26b2o$26bobo$28b o$28b2o10$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o4$3b2o$3bobo$
4b2o16$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o2$8b2o$9bo$9bobo$10b2o17$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo66$8b2o16b2o$9bo16bo$9bobo12bo bo$10b2o12b2o17$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo66$8b2o$9bo$9bobo$10b 2o$26bo$25bobo$26b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo66$8b2o$9bo$9bo
bo$10b2o5$10b2o$9bobo$9bo$8b2o9$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo67$26b 2o97b2o$26b2o97b2o3$31b2o$31b2o97b2o$130b2o13$19b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o10$
20bo98bo$19b3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo67$3b2o$4bo$4bobo$5b2o7$7b2o$8bo$8bo bo$9b2o6$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o3$4b2o$5bo$5bob
o$6b2o16$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o3$5b2o$6bo$6bob o$7b2o16$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo66$26b2o$6b2o18bo$7bo16bobo$7bobo14b2o$8b2o16$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o5$2o$b o$bobo$2b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo66$11b2o$11b2o4$10b2o$
10bobo$11bo13$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo63$18b2o97b2o$18b2o97b2o
7$7b2o$7b2o97b2o$106b2o13$19b2o97b2o$19b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo$19b3o96b3o$
18b2obo95b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o7$12b2o$12b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo70$26bo$12b2o11bobo$12b2o12b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2o bo67$31b2o$31bo$29bobo$29b2o$25b2o$25b2o14$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$
18b2obo70$8b2o$7bo2bo$3b2o3b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o11$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b
3o$18b2obo63$18b2o$18b2o10$3b2o$3b2o11$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2ob
o71$12b2o$12b2o$4bo$4b3o$7bo$6b2o10$19b2o$19b2o10$20bo$19b3o$18b2obo 71$12b2o97b2o$12b2o97b2o$7bo99bo$7b3o97b3o$10bo99bo$9b2o98b2o10$19b2o
97b2o$19b2o97b2o10$20bo98bo$19b3o96b3o$18b2obo95b2obo!

and these are the most interesting ones:

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x = 219, y = 787, rule = B3/S23
188b2o$189bo$189bobo$190b2o$206bo$205bobo$206b2o14$199b2o$199b2o10$200bo$199b3o$198b2obo72$100bo98bo$2o98b3o96b3o$bo101bo98bo$bobo98b2o 97b2o$2b2o5$2b2o97b2o97bo$bobo96bobo96bobo$bo98bo97bo2bo$2o97b2o98b2o
9$11b2o97b2o97b2o$11b2o97b2o97b2o10$12bo98bo98bo$11b3o96b3o96b3o$10b2o bo95b2obo95b2obo33$7bo98bo98bo$7b3o96b3o96b3o$10bo98bo98bo$9b2o97b2o 97b2o8$108b2o96b2o$6b2o101bo95bobo$7bo98b3o96bo$7bobo96bo97b2o$8b2o6$18b2o97b2o97b2o$18b2o97b2o97b2o10$19bo98bo98bo$18b3o96b3o96b3o$17b2obo 95b2obo95b2obo52$7b2o$7b2o4$6b2o$6bobo$7bo13$15b2o$15b2o10$16bo$15b3o$14b2obo60$21b2o$21b2o4$6b2o$6bobo$7b2o16$22b2o$22b2o10$23bo$22b3o$21b 2obo138$7b2o$8bo$8bobo$9b2o7$11b2o$12bo$12bobo$13b2o6$23b2o$23b2o10$
24bo$23b3o$22b2obo79$26b2o$26bo$24bobo$24b2o$20b2o$20b2o14$14b2o$14b2o
10$15bo$14b3o$13b2obo31$17b2o$16bo2bo$12b2o3b2o$11bobo$11bo$10b2o11$
28b2o$28b2o10$29bo$28b3o$27b2obo23$67b2o$18b2o48bo$18b2o48bobo$69b2o6$70bo$15bo53bobo$14bobo51bo2bo$13bo2bo52b2o$14b2o8$79b2o$24b2o53b2o$24b
2o9$80bo$25bo53b3o$24b3o51b2obo$23b2obo!

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

I've started to search LWSS->H, and I've got nice ignition, from a block that can be generated by glider. The only thing left is to convert the spark into H and get a glider to the correct place:

Here are two variations:

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x = 198, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
17bobo$16bo$16bo$16bo2bo135bobo$16b3o135bo$154bo$154bo2bo$154b3o5$27bo
$25b3o5bo$24bo6b3o$24b2o4bo134bo$30b2o131b3o5bo$162bo6b3o$162b2o4bo$168b2o$21b2o$21b2o$37b2o$25b2o10b2o120b2o$3bo20bobo132b2o$b3o21bo149b 2o$o162b2o10b2o$2o160bobo$163bo$25b2o120bo$16b2o8bo119bobo$16b2o5b3o 121b2o$23bo139b2o$154b2o8bo$9b2o143b2o5b3o$9b2o150bo18$57b3o$57bo$58bo
$195b3o$195bo$196bo!  dvgrn Moderator Posts: 7551 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete simsim314 wrote:I've started to search LWSS->H, and I've got nice ignition, from a block that can be generated by glider. The only thing left is to convert the spark into H and get a glider to the correct place... This looks nice, but... maybe I'm expecting too much from CatForce, but have you looked for ways to shape the active reaction to restore the block, so that an additional glider isn't needed? Also, are you limiting the search to Spartan conduits? Otherwise, it seems unlikely that you'll end up with a circuit that's significantly better than this ancient piece of Bronze Age technology from my email archives -- looks like I built it in January 2007: Code: Select all #C stable LWSS-to-Herschel converter -- produces a Herschel #C descendant that can feed an F116 (shown) or R64 conduit. #C Recovery time is 978 generations, but the output #C Herschel is available soon after the initial collision. #C There's a clear path through the circuit if the beehive is #C not present, so it could also be used as a demultiplexer. x = 106, y = 131, rule = B3/S23 12boo$11bobbo$12boo16$23boo$23bobo$25bo$25boo$27bo$25b3o$24bo$24boo6$
26boo$26boo$bboo$bobo$bo$oo$25bo$23b3o$22bo$22boo$$15boo14bobbo36boo 15boo36b4o52booboo53boo812boo13bo10b3o10bo441boo41boo3boo4bo 72boo4bobo15boo54bo5boo15boo54bobo79bobo19boo59bo20bo3boo15bo58bo bo23boo13bobo58bobbo33boobboo59boo34boo$$48boo$48boo4$23boo$23bobo$25bo$25boo8boo$35boo64boo$39boo42boo16bobo$38bobo41bobo18bo$38bo43bo
20boo$7boo28boo42boo4boo$6bobo41boo33bobbo$6bo43boo33boo$5boo87boo$94b oo$52boo$52boo4$15boo$15boo87boo$104bo$22boboo76bobo$22boobo76boo$6boo$7bo$7bobo46bo$8boo44b3o27bo$53bo30b3o$24bo28boo32bo$22b3o61boo$21bo
11bo48boo$6bo14boo8b3o48bo$5bobo22bo53bo$6bo23boo51boo6$80boo$10boo68b oo17boo$9bobo87boo$9bo$8boo7boo$18bo81boo$15b3o82bo$15bo71boo12b3o$70b
oo16bo14bo$38boo30bo14b3o$38bo5boo25b3o11bo$39b3obobo27bo$41bobo7boo$42boo7boo! Nowadays, if non-Spartan circuitry is allowed, we can catch that output glider with a Snark or two plus a syringe, and get a signal back to rebuild the beehive several hundred ticks sooner... but anything that requires waiting for an output glider, and catching it and processing it, is still going to be kind of slow. If you have to use a signal output to rebuild something, it doesn't matter too much if the reset signal is in the form of a Herschel or a glider: Code: Select all #C LWSS-to-H converter, repeat time 556 x = 315, y = 118, rule = LifeHistory 12.2A$11.A2.A$12.2A16$23.2A$23.A.A$25.A$25.2A$27.A$25.3A$24.A$24.2A6$ 26.2A$26.2A$2.2A$.A.A$.A$2A$25.A$23.3A$22.A$22.2A2$15.2A$14.A2.A16.2C 276.2A$15.2A16.4C274.4A$32.2C.2C273.2A.2A$33.2C276.2A8$12.2A$13.A$10. 3A$10.A6$3.2A$4.A$4.A.A15.2A$5.2A15.2A8$52.2A$52.2A$3.2A$2.A2.A2.2A$3.2A2.A.A13.2A$5.2A16.A.A$5.A19.A$2.2A.A2.A16.2A$2.A.2A.A.A41.A11.2A$ 6.A.A41.A.A10.2A$3.2A2.A41.A2.A$.3A.2A43.2A$A$.3A.2A$3.A.2A$49.2A$13. 2A35.A$13.2A7.2A23.3A$22.A2.A21.A8.2A$20.A.A.2A30.2A$20.2A.A$23.A$23. 3A$26.A$2A23.2A$2A5$16.A$15.A.A17.2A$15.A.A10.2A5.A.A$16.A11.2A7.A$17.3A17.2A$19.A$24.A$23.A.A.2A$23.A.A.A.A$20.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$20.A2.A2. 2A.4A$22.2A4.A$28.A.A$29.2A! #C [[ AUTOSTART STEP 4 ZOOM 2 HEIGHT 320 LOOP 1500 ]]

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

dvgrn wrote:LWSS-to-H converter, repeat time 556
Very nice! I think it's currently the best we got.

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

In the non-spartan category I doubt better than a LWSS->G + syringe? We have stable LWSS->G, right?
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simsim314
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

biggiemac wrote:We have stable LWSS->G, right?
I don't think it's better than this one.

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Here's something really exciting: (EDIT: Okay, not too exciting)

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x = 65, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
7b2o44bo$6bobo44b3o$6bo7bo41bo7bo$5b2o5b3o40b2o5b3o$11bo49bo$11b2o48b 2o$7b2o48b2o$7b2o48b2o7$3o47b3o$2bo49bo$3o47b3o!

This is the first time I've seen something similar to an edgeshooting lom:

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x = 20, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
10bo$9bobo$10bo5$12b2o$12b2o5$4b3o$6bo$4b3o2$16b2o$16bo$17b3o$19bo! Best wishes to you! - Scorbie dvgrn Moderator Posts: 7551 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete simsim314 wrote: biggiemac wrote:We have stable LWSS->G, right? I don't think it's better than this one. I might not be remembering a recent development in *WSS-to-G technology, but the most recent discussion I can find is from back in 2009. For X-to-*WSS, there are some other experiments in old messages, but nothing that seems significantly smaller than the new pi-to-LWSS. Probably they could be rebuilt smaller again now -- and certainly circuits that recover faster are easy now. (Not really relevant, since it would require a periodic converter -- but there's also this way to collide any *WSS with a Herschel, and get the same glider out...) Almost certainly this latest syringe-assisted LWSS-to-H device can be made to recover in less than 500 ticks, and quite possibly even less than 400 ticks, at the cost of more complexity and a larger bounding box. The trick will be to bounce the glider around and hit some sacrificial bait object that makes a B-heptomino in the right place to feed the Herschel-to-beehive converter... while simultaneously getting another signal out (maybe a glider from an R64 conduit, instead of the F116?) and routing it around to rebuild the bait. It would be interesting if this could be done with the G->block conduit, the block being the bait, and a glider hitting it to produce a pi, which is run through a pi-to-H to feed the H-to-beehive. If that's not complicated enough, we could add another stage... it would look ridiculous, but the repeat time would probably go down a little more. I don't think anyone has had a fresh look at block-to-pi-to-Herschel converters for a while. Last time I did a review was a long time ago, when I was designing the ladder circuit for the original prototype universal constructor. One of the things I noticed is that it's possible to catch a glider and make a boat-bit, hit it with another glider to make a block (said glider would otherwise safely pass by the boat-bit site), and then hit it with a third glider to produce a pi explosion, which could be Spartanly converted to a Herschel somehow, with the circuits staying out of the gliders' way. I forget exactly which known pi-to-H mechanism it was, but it would probably be easy to rediscover. At the time it turned out that three gliders was too complicated -- it was easier to use the two-gliders mechanism that's in the prototype U.C. ladder. But a lot has changed recently; it might be worth a fresh look. Scorbie Posts: 1537 Joined: December 7th, 2013, 1:05 am ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete An almost pi-c: Code: Select all x = 21, y = 20, rule = B3/S23 16bo$14b3o$13bo$13b2o7$3o$2bo$3o3$12b2o$12b2o3b2o$17bo$18b3o$20bo!
Which can be integrated to kazyan's c-pi "converter":

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x = 25, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$15bo$13bobo$13b2o5bo$18b3o$17bo$17b2o6$4bo$2o2bobo$2o2b2o4$16b2o
$16b2o3b2o$21bo$22b3o$24bo!
Best wishes to you! - Scorbie

Scorbie
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Here are the pi collision ptbsearch results filtered: the left part has potential, and the right... mayyyybe.
If ptbsearch searches catalysts by reacting time, then I have searched for all 3 catalyst pi perturbations until gen 59.

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x = 347, y = 233, rule = B3/S23
8b2o5bo28b2o53bo31b2o81b2o41b2o28b2o38b2o$8b2o4bobo27b2o51b3o30bobo81b 2o41b2o7bo20b2o38b2o$15bo80bo33bo7bo126bobo$40b2o54b2o31b2o5b3o127bo$
40b2o42bo50bo$80b2o2bobo48b2o203bo$47bo32b2o2b2o45b2o205b3o$6bo36b2o2b obo81b2o204bo$2b2o2bobo34b2o2b2o151b2o135b2o$2b2o2b2o192b2o2$211bo42bo
29bo39bo$92b2o113b2o2bobo36b2o2bobo23b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo13b2o$92b2o30bo
82b2o2b2o27b2o8b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o14b2o$120b2o2bobo113b2o$44b2o
74b2o2b2o$bo43bo$obo39b3o$2o40bo47bo$89bobo$90bo4$294b2o$294b2o15$7b2o
45b2o31b2o38b2o13bo64b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$7b2o45b2o31b2o38b2o11b3o64b2o 38b2o38b2o38b2o$139bo$139b2o4$99bo$40b2o55b3o$40b2o54bo$96b2o$4bo46bo
32bo39bo79bo39bo39bo39bo$2o2bobo13b2o25b2o2bobo26b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo73b 2o2bobo19b2o12b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo$2o2b2o14b2o25b2o2b2o27b2o2b
2o34b2o2b2o74b2o2b2o20b2o12b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o20b2o12b2o2b2o$306b2o3$303b
2o$17b2o285bo$17bo286bobo$18b3o284b2o$20bo3$61b2o191b2o$61b2o191b2o4$328bo$327bobo$328b2o9$7b2o48b2o38b2o28b2o75bo55bo29b2o34bo$7b2o48b2o 38b2o28b2o71b2o2bobo13b2o36b3o28bobo34b3o$200b2o2b2o14b2o35bo22bo8bo
30bo8bo$257b2o21b3o5b2o30b3o5b2o$283bo39bo$282b2o38b2o$244bo$79bo160b 2o2bobo13b2o$77b3o135b2o23b2o2b2o14b2o$76bo138b2o$76b2o$4bo49bo39bo29b o158b2o38b2o$2o2bobo43b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo23b2o2bobo156b2o38b2o$2o2b2o 34b2o8b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o$40b2o7$287bo39bo$283b2o2bobo33b2o2bobo
$283b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o$14b2o$14b2o77b2o$92bobo35b2o$92bo37bo$91b2o38b3o$133bo11$16b2o34b2o34bo39bo96bo18bo48b2o39b2o$16b2o34b2o30b2o2bobo35b3o 95bobo13b2o2bobo46bo40bo$84b2o2b2o35bo99bo14b2o2b2o34b2o9bobo26b2o10bo
bo$2o38b2o83b2o154bo9b2o28bo10b2o$bo39bo239bobo2b2o33bobo3b2o$bobo37bo bo85b2o134b2o15b2o2b2o34b2o3b2o$2b2o38b2o85b2o134bo$204bo61b3o$200b2o
2bobo61bo$83b2o115b2o2b2o$83b2o171b2o$13bo35bo206b2o$9b2o2bobo29b2o2bo
bo$9b2o2b2o30b2o2b2o$82b2o$83bo$80b3o$80bo135b2o$124bo91b2o$120b2o2bob o119b2o$120b2o2b2o120bo$247b3o38bo40bo$138b2o109bo34b2o2bobo34b2o2bobo
$138bobo143b2o2b2o35b2o2b2o$140bo$140b2o$19b2o34b2o149b2o$19bo35bo150b o$20b3o33b3o148b3o$22bo35bo150bo11$8bo55bo41b2o32bo74bo39bo48b2o18bo$6b3o53b3o41bo31b3o72b3o37b3o48bo15b2o2bobo$5bo55bo42bobo30bo74bo39bo
49bobo15b2o2b2o19b2o$5b2o49b2o3b2o35b2o4b2o31b2o73b2o38b2o48b2o41b2o$
56b2o40b2o$9b2o73bo$9b2o33bo35b2o2bobo$40b2o2bobo33b2o2b2o18bo$40b2o2b
2o57bobo238b2o$104b2o18bo219b2o$120b2o2bobo13b2o142bo$120b2o2b2o14b2o 138b2o2bobo18b2o$280b2o2b2o19b2o3$20b2o$20bo36b2o145bo$18bobo36bo77b2o 63b2o2bobo18b2o$4bo13b2o38b3o74b2o63b2o2b2o19b2o17bo$2o2bobo53bo179b2o 2bobo18b2o65b2o$2o2b2o234b2o2b2o19b2o65bo$333b3o$335bo5$222b2o68b2o$
222bobo67bo$224bo68b3o$224b2o69bo5$252b2o$252bo$253b3o$255bo12$204bo$
200b2o2bobo$200b2o2b2o19b2o$225b2o8$222b2o$222bobo$224bo$224b2o5$212b 2o$212bo$213b3o$215bo!

Best wishes to you! - Scorbie

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

I'm not having my hopes too high, but has anyone tried to search for p7 HW emulators? For this purpose:
I wrote:I think a p7 with these sparks(upper left and lower right) could stabilize the p28 wick.

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x = 47, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
13b2o9b2o12bo3bo$4b2o18b2o9bobobobobobo$3bo2bo5bo21bo2bobobobo2bo$3bob 3o4b2o21bo3bobo3bo$2b2o3bo10b2o4b2o9bo3bobo3bo$2bo2b4o3b2o3bo2bo2bo2bo 4bo3bo2bo3bo2bo$3b2o3bo3bo4bo2bo2bo2bo3b2o4b2o5b2o$6bob2o8b2o4b2o$b4o
25b2o$obo28bo4b2o5b2o$o3bobo11b2o16b2o5b2o$b5o12b2o9bobo2$3b3o2b2o$2bo 2b2o2bo$2b2ob4o2$2b2ob4o$2bo2b2o2bo$3b3o2b2o2$b5o$o3bobo$obo$b4o$6bob
2o$3b2o3bo$2bo2b4o$2b2o3bo$3bob3o$3bo2bo$4b2o!

Best wishes to you! - Scorbie

velcrorex
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Can anyone find a good way to get rid of the pair of beehives this pattern generates every 65 generations? If so, it could be a p130 oscillator. The beehives show up at generation 48.

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
o$o2b4o$2ob3o2bo$bo6bo$2bob3obo$b2o3bo$2bo3bo$2b2o2bo2$2b2o2bo$2bo3bo$b2o3bo$2bo b3obo$bo6bo$2ob3o2bo$o2b4o$o! -Josh Ball. calcyman Posts: 2350 Joined: June 1st, 2009, 4:32 pm ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete Davids Bell and Eppstein made that engine into a gun just over a decade ago: Code: Select all x = 110, y = 57, rule = B3/S23 59b2o2bo38bo2b2o$59bo2bobo9bo26bobo2bo$2o3b2obo6b2obo41bobobo9bo26bobo bo$bo3bob2o6bob2o40b2obob2o9bo24b2obob2o$o8b2o2b2o4b2o37bo3bo2bo14b2o 18bo2bo3bo$2o7bo3bo5bo37bob3o2bo14bo2bo18bo2b3obo$10bo3bo5bo36bo3b2o2b o14b2o18bo2b2o3bo$2o7b2o2b2o4b2o37b4o2bo19b2o15bo2b4o$bo3b2obo4bo5bo 42bo2bo16b4o14bo2bo$o4bob2o5bo5bo35b5obob2o15bo4bo13b2obob5o$2o7b2o2b 2o4b2o35bo2bo2bobo16bobobo15bobo2bo2bo$9bo3bo5bo41bo2bo15bo3b2o15bo2bo
$2o8bo3bo5bo41b2o19bo18b2o$bo7b2o2b2o4b2o$o4b2obo6b2obo64bo18b2o$2o3bo
b2o6bob2o61bo3b2o15bo2bo$81bobobo15bobo2bo2bo$81bo4bo13b2obob5o$35b2o 2bo42b4o14bo2bo$35bo2bobo43b2o15bo2b4o$36bobobo39b2o18bo2b2o3bo$35b2ob
ob2o37bo2bo18bo2b3obo$34bo3b2o3bo17bo6bobo9b2o18bo2bo3bo$33bob2o2b2o
21bo6b2ob2o26b2obob2o$33bobo2bobo3bo16b2o6bo3bo27bobobo$34b3o2b2o14b7o
8b3o28bobo2bo$38b2o3bo10b3o2bo42bo2b2o$32b5obob2o12bo2b2obo$32bo2bo2bo bo17bobo$37bo2bo15b2ob2o$38b2o16b4o2$38b2o16b4o$37bo2bo15b2ob2o$32bo2b
o2bobo17bobo$32b5obob2o12bo2b2obo16bo$38b2o3bo10b3o2bo15b3o$34b3o2b2o 14b7o12bo$33bobo2bobo3bo16b2o10bobo$33bob2o2b2o21bo11bo$34bo3b2o3bo17b
o$35b2obob2o34bo$36bobobo32bobobo$35bo2bobo32b2o2bo$35b2o2bo37b2o3$65b 7o$63b3ob3ob3o$62bo4b3o4bo$63b4obob3obo$73bo$62bob2obobobo$62b2obobobo b2o$66bo2bobo32bo$67b2o2bo33bo$71b2o30b3o!
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velcrorex
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Okay, thanks. I didn't see anything of period 130 on the wiki, so I thought it might be worth a shot.
-Josh Ball.

velcrorex
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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Incomplete 3c/9. I highly doubt anyone can complete this. Posting it anyway.

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x = 18, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bo2bo3b2o3bo2bo$2b2o4b2o4b2o$b2o5b2o5b2o$2b2o2bo4bo2b2o$4bo2b4o
2bo$5bob4obo$5bobo2bobo$6b2o2b2o$3b2ob2o2b2ob2o$3b2obo4bob2o$3b2o
8b2o$5bo2b2o2bo$2b2obo2b2o2bob2o$b3ob3o2b3ob3o$2o2b2o6b2o2b2o$3o bo8bob3o$3b2obo4bob2o$4bo8bo2$5bobo2bobo$5bo6bo2$6b2o2b2o2$5bo6b o$5bob4obo$4bo8bo$5bo6bo$8b2o$4b3o4b3o$5bo6bo! -Josh Ball. A for awesome Posts: 2286 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: Pembina University, Home of the Gliders Contact: ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete I think 2c/9 diagonal ships might actually be possible to find in a reasonable amount of time. On my current JLS search, I've been getting many semi-promising partials such as this one: Code: Select all x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23 19bo$19bo$19bo$19bo$19bo$18b2o$13bo4b2o$13b2o$15bo2b3o$14bobo2b2o$12bo b2o3bo$14b2obob2o$10bobo8bo$6b2o6b4ob3o$7bob3obo2b2o2bo$8bob2obo4b3o$9bo3b2o2bo2bo$11bob2ob2ob2o$5b2obo6bo3b2o$7ob4obobob2o$8b2obob6o$12b2o
!

I didn't find any D2_x-symmetrical ones within 20x20, but I didn't let the non-all-inclusive search run to completion.

Also, 300th post!

Edit: Weird sparky partial:

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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
14bo$14b2o$9bobob3o$10bo2b3o$9bobo2b2o$10bo3bo$9b2obob2o$7bo8bo$9b4ob
3o$2bobobobo2b2o2bo$3bob2obo4b3o$2bobo3b2o2bo2bo$6bob2ob2ob2o$2b2o6bo 3b2o$7obobob2o$b4obob6o$7b2o!

Could be useful if completed.
praosylen#5847 (Discord)

x₁=ηx
V*_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

Well, I sincerely apologize for making Gustavo's life slightly harder, but here's a 516 or so tick LWSS->G. (Thanks dvgrn for the conduits.)

EDIT: Does not actually work. Did I really think that was an lwss? :/
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"What's purple and commutes?
The Evanston Express."

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### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete

thunk wrote:Well, I sincerely apologize for making Gustavo's life slightly harder, but here's a 516 or so tick LWSS->G. (Thanks dvgrn for the conduits.)

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rle
I'm sorry, but that actually doesn't work, because the pattern you are converting to a glider is not, in fact, a LWSS:

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x = 21, y = 4, rule = LifeHistory
.2C14.2C$4C12.4C$2C.2C11.2C.2C$.3C14.2C!  praosylen#5847 (Discord) x₁=ηx V*_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ thunk Posts: 170 Joined: October 3rd, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: Central USA ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete Sorry. My bad. "What's purple and commutes? The Evanston Express." Kazyan Posts: 1057 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete You probably overlooked that stray cell because the same LWSS + boat collision still produces a Pi in nearly the same location, just shifted one cell to the right. This causes problems with the resulting glider colors, but shouldn't be too hard to fix with different conduits. Tanner Jacobi Coldlander, a novel, available in paperback and as an ebook. Now on Amazon. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 7551 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete thunk wrote:Well, I sincerely apologize for making Gustavo's life slightly harder, but here's a 516 or so tick LWSS->G. (Thanks dvgrn for the conduits.) EDIT: Does not actually work. Did I really think that was an lwss? :/ That wouldn't have been a problem anyway -- Gustavo can get an LWSS-to-G down below 512-tick recovery time, and a bounding box under 75x75, starting from the LWSS+boat collision he picked out. I just hope nobody else beats him to it... thunk Posts: 170 Joined: October 3rd, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: Central USA ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete I would have used this: Code: Select all x = 23, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory 21.2D$20.DBD$19.3BD$18.4B$17.4B$16.4B$15.4B$14.4B$14.3B$14.CB$2.BC7B. BCBC$2.2BC8B.2C$C3BC10B$.4C8B$.12B.B!  But both H-boat converters I saw clashed with the output glider/input spaceship. And I didn't manage to figure out catforce to search for new ones. Just goes to show that Life has a rather steep learning curve, and that I should avoid embarrassing myself in public. "What's purple and commutes? The Evanston Express." dvgrn Moderator Posts: 7551 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete thunk wrote:But both H-boat converters I saw clashed with the output glider/input spaceship. And I didn't manage to figure out catforce to search for new ones. Just goes to show that Life has a rather steep learning curve, and that I should avoid embarrassing myself in public. Beginner's luck is still a powerful force, though! People find all kinds of things because they don't know enough not to look for them. And never mind the "embarrassing" part. I say foolish things here almost every week and nobody seems to mind. CatForce or ptbsearch or catgl would probably find you a new way to place a boat on the edge of the reaction envelope, eventually -- but it might take hours of search time, and would probably produce hundreds of not-quite-usable results to sort through. Probably better to just start with the collision that Gustavo picked out. He made a lot of progress today, but his last posting could still be improved quite easily. On the other hand, the conduit that restores the boat is kind of awkward -- maybe it would be worth finding something better. Really the best use of CatForce/ptbsearch/catgl would be to hit some small object with an LWSS, make an explosion, and then try to tame the explosion to get a glider back out, along with the original object in the original location. There's probably something like that out there, smaller than 75x65, but it's going to take some serious inspiration and/or perspiration to find it. simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: Incomplete search patterns - try to complete thunk wrote:I would have used this [...] But both H-boat converters I saw clashed with the output glider/input spaceship. This H-to-boat should make that reaction usable: Edit: Added another one that looks useful: Code: Select all x = 73, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory 8.2C$9.C$9.C.C$10.2C3$13.2C$13.2C5$2C46.2C$.C47.C$.C.C45.C.C$2.2C46.
2C$63.2D$63.D.D$64.D3$69.2C$2.E47.E18.C.C$2.E.E45.E.E18.C$2.3E45.3E 12.2C4.2C$4.E47.E12.C.C$67.C$67.2C6$19.2D$18.D.D\$19.D!