Gun Discussion Thread

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 16th, 2021, 10:02 pm

Here's another dot spark to glider that only requires the dot sparker to have a period of 24 or more, which is still unlikely but more likely than the one in the previous post. 34P14 shuttles are only an example and can be replaced with any period sparker that doesn't get destroyed.

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x = 34, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
24bo$23b3o$19b2obo3b2o4b2o$19b2o2b2o2bo4b2o$24b2obo4$24b2obo$19b2o2b2o
2bo4b2o$19b2obo3b2o4b2o$23b3o$24bo7$12b3o3b3o2$10bo4bobo4bobo$10bo4bob
o4bo$10bo4bobo4bo$12b3o3b3o2$12b3o3b3o$10bo4bobo4bo$10bo4bobo4bo$8bobo
4bobo4bo2$12b3o3b3o7$9bo$8b3o$2o4b2o3bob2o$2o4bo2b2o2b2o$6bob2o4$6bob
2o$2o4bo2b2o2b2o$2o4b2o3bob2o$8b3o$9bo!
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 19th, 2021, 1:38 pm

I know I have 4 of the last 5 posts, but here's a p60 almost gun in a 24×32 bounding box (total 768); the only issue is that the gliders crash into the pentadecathlons. There has to be a way to do this. (You can merge it with the previous post if you're able to keep the newer timestamp on it.)

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x = 24, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
3bo2b2o4b2o2bo$2bo3b3o2b3o3bo$3bo2b2o4b2o2bo4$22bo$22bo$21b3o2$bo$bo7b
2o10b3o$3o5b3o11bo$8bo2bo10bo$9b2o11bo$3o19bo$bo19b3o$bo11b2o$bo10bo2b
o$bo11b3o5b3o$3o10b2o7bo$22bo2$3o$bo$bo4$7bo2b2o4b2o2bo$6bo3b3o2b3o3bo
$7bo2b2o4b2o2bo!
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » July 19th, 2021, 6:39 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 1:38 pm
I know I have 4 of the last 5 posts, but here's a p60 almost gun in a 24×32 bounding box (total 768); the only issue is that the gliders crash into the pentadecathlons. There has to be a way to do this. (You can merge it with the previous post if you're able to keep the newer timestamp on it.)

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x = 24, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
3bo2b2o4b2o2bo$2bo3b3o2b3o3bo$3bo2b2o4b2o2bo4$22bo$22bo$21b3o2$bo$bo7b
2o10b3o$3o5b3o11bo$8bo2bo10bo$9b2o11bo$3o19bo$bo19b3o$bo11b2o$bo10bo2b
o$bo11b3o5b3o$3o10b2o7bo$22bo2$3o$bo$bo4$7bo2b2o4b2o2bo$6bo3b3o2b3o3bo
$7bo2b2o4b2o2bo!
Replacing those pentadecathlons with Berger's p30s allow the gliders to escape, but unfortunately they're not compatible with the other pentadecathlons. Can you find an alternative way to provide the domino or monomino sparks?

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x = 46, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A$16.A2BAB$16.4B$15.A3B$16.4B$16.2A2B$.2A13.2BA2B$2A2B12.5B$.BA2B
10.7B$2.4B9.2A3B2A$3.4B8.2A3B2A$4.4B7.B5AB$5.4B6.2BABA2B$6.4B5.7B$7.
4B5.B3AB5.3BA2B4.B$8.4B4.5B3.5BABA7B$9.4B4.4B.10B2A5B$10.4B3.15B2A4B
2A$11.4B3.14B2A2B.B2A$12.4B2.11BABA2B4.B$13.4B3.4B2.3BA2B$14.2B2A3.5B
$15.2A2B.6B$16.BA9B$17.11B$17.11B$17.13B$17.13B$18.B3A7B$17.BA4BAB2AB
.C$17.BA8BAB$17.BA8BAB$16.C.B2ABA4BAB$16.C7B3AB$16.13B$16.13B$18.11B$
18.11B$19.9BAB$20.6B.2B2A$20.5B3.2A2B$14.2BA3B2.4B3.4B$7.B4.2BABA11B
2.4B$6.2AB.2B2A14B3.4B$6.2A4B2A15B3.4B$7.5B2A10B.4B4.4B$7.7BABA5B3.5B
4.4B$9.B4.2BA3B5.B3AB5.4B$24.7B5.4B$24.2BABA2B6.4B$24.B5AB7.4B$24.2A
3B2A8.4B$24.2A3B2A9.4B$24.7B10.2BAB$25.5B12.2B2A$25.2BA2B13.2A$26.2B
2A$26.4B$27.3BA$26.4B$25.BA2BA$26.2A!
EDIT: Remarkably, a Gosper glider gun works (with the other gliders being safely absorbed by the reaction).

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x = 54, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
48.2A$46.2B2AB$46.4B$B21.2A21.4B$2A18.2B2AB21.4B$ABA17.4B22.2A2B$A3B
15.4B23.5B$.4B15.4B22.5B$2.4B14.4B21.7B$3.4B13.B3AB20.7B$4.4B12.B3AB
20.2A3B2A$5.4B10.BA3BAB19.B5AB$6.4B9.7B19.B2AB2AB$7.4B8.2A3B2A19.B2AB
2AB$8.4B7.7B20.B3AB$9.4B6.7B16.2A2.6B$10.4B5.7B16.A3.5B$11.4B5.5B5.A
5B3.BA.A2.6B$12.4B4.2BA2B3.4A8B2A3.7B$13.2B2A4.ABAB.BABAB2A7B5.4B.2B$
14.BABA3.ABA2BA2BAB3A6B5.8B$15.A3B3.A4BABAB2A6B5.A8B$16.4B2.6B4A6B5.B
ABA3BA3B$17.4B3.4B2.A5B6.2B2A.2B3A2B$18.4B3.5B11.4B2.B5AB$19.4B.6B10.
4B3.ABABABA$20.11B8.4B4.2A3B2A$21.6B2A3B6.4B5.7B$21.5BA2B2AB5.A3B7.5B
$21.4B2A2B2A4B.A3B8.2BA2B$21.5B2A3BA4B3A10.ABAB$22.5BA3BAB.4B11.ABAB$
3.2A16.3BAB2A2BA6B13.A3B$.2B2AB13.5BA2BA2BA5B13.2A2B$.2B2A13.5BA2BA2B
A5B13.B2A2B$3BA13.6BA2B2ABA3B16.2A$.BABA11.4B.BA3BA5B$.BABA10.3A4BA3B
2A5B$.2BA2B8.3BA.4B2A2B2A4B$.5B7.3BA5.B2A2BA5B$7B5.4B6.3B2A6B$2A3B2A
4.4B8.11B$ABABABA3.4B10.6B.4B$B5AB2.4B11.5B3.4B$2B3A2B.2A2B6.5BA2.4B
3.4B$3BA3BABAB5.6B4A6B2.4B$.8BA5.6B2ABABA4BA3.3BA$.8B5.6B3ABA2BA2BABA
3.ABAB$2.2B.4B5.7B2ABABAB.BABA4.2A2B$2.7B3.2A8B4A3.2BA2B4.4B$3.6B2.A.
AB3.5BA5.5B5.4B$3.5B3.A16.7B5.4B$2.6B2.2A16.7B6.4B$3.B3AB20.7B7.4B$2.
B2AB2AB19.2A3B2A8.4B$2.B2AB2AB19.7B9.4B$2.B5AB19.BA3BAB10.4B$2.2A3B2A
20.B3AB12.4B$2.7B20.B3AB13.4B$2.7B21.4B14.4B$3.5B22.4B15.4B$3.5B23.4B
15.3BA$4.2B2A22.4B17.ABA$4.4B21.B2A2B18.2A$5.4B21.2A21.B$4.4B$3.B2A2B
$4.2A!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » July 19th, 2021, 8:14 pm

calcyman wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 6:39 pm
hotdogPi wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 1:38 pm
here's a p60 almost gun
Replacing those pentadecathlons with Berger's p30s allow the gliders to escape, but unfortunately they're not compatible with the other pentadecathlons. Can you find an alternative way to provide the domino or monomino sparks?
An alternate spark placement allows it to be completed with caterers:

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x = 34, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12b2o4$10b2o5$9b2o3b2o$10b5o$10b2ob2o$10b2ob2o$11b3o11bo$24bobo$
24b2obo$24b2ob2o3b2o$24b2obo4b2o$24bobo$10bo14bo$9b2o$9bobo5$13b2o12bo
$14b2o10b2o$2b2o7bo2bo$2b4obo3bo10bob3o2bobo$2bobo2b3obo10bo3bob4o$19b
o2bo7b2o$6b2o10b2o$6bo12b2o5$22bobo$23b2o$8bo14bo$7bobo$2o4bob2o$2o3b
2ob2o$6bob2o$7bobo$8bo11b3o$19b2ob2o$19b2ob2o$19b5o$18b2o3b2o5$22b2o4$
20b2o$20b2o!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » July 19th, 2021, 8:37 pm

Sokwe wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 8:14 pm
An alternate spark placement allows it to be completed with caterers:
Single-barreled version:

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x = 48, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
27.A11.A$18.B8.3A9.3A$6.2A9.3A10.A11.A$7.A9.2A10.AB10.2A$7.A.AB7.2A9.
A2BA8.4B$8.A.AB.B4.AB.B9.2BA9.3B$9.A3B2A2.4B2A7.A3BA7.5B$4.A3.3B.B2A
3.2A.AB7.2BA2B7.2BA2B$3.ABA2.2B3.B4.BAB8.A5BA5.2B3A2B$3.3B.4B8.A9.A5B
A5.2B3A2B$2.5B.4B7.B2.2B5.BA3BAB5.7B$2.B3AB2.7B.3B.3B5.2B3A2B5.2A3B2A
$.2B3A2B2.16B3.7B5.2A3B2A$.3BA3B3.16B2.7B5.7B$9B.4BA12BAB.5B7.5B$9B2A
B2ABA6B6AB.5B7.2BA2B$.3BA4B3A3B2A4BA2BA3BA5B8.BABA$.2B3A3BA3BA2BA4B2A
3B3A5B8.2A2B$2.B3AB2.B6A6BAB2AB2A4B3.BA4B2AB$2.5B2.BA12BA4B.6BABA4B3A
B$3.3B5.16B3.4BABA5B3A2B$3.ABA6.16B2.3BA2BA6BA2BA$4.A9.3B.3B.7B3.2BAB
A7B2A$14.2B2.B7.4B4.BABA6B$18.A8.4B5.BA4B$17.BAB8.4B$15.BA.2A9.4B$15.
2A4B9.4B$16.B.BA11.4B$18.2A12.4B$19.2A12.3BA$18.3A13.3BA$19.B15.3AB!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » July 19th, 2021, 8:55 pm

calcyman wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 8:37 pm
Sokwe wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 8:14 pm
An alternate spark placement allows it to be completed with caterers:
Single-barreled version:
Slightly reduced:

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x = 49, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
18.A15.2A$6.2A9.BAB14.A.A.2A$7.A9.BA17.A.2A$7.A.AB7.2A11.4B2A$8.A.AB.
B4.2B.A9.7B2A$9.A3B2A2.A4BA7.6B3.A$4.B3.3B.B2A3.2B.BA7.5B4.A.A$3.3A2.
2B3.B4.3A8.7B4.2A$3.3A.4B8.B9.7B$2.2BA2B.4B7.B2.2B5.3BA3B$2.2BA2B2.7B
.3B.3B5.2B3A2B$.3BA3B2.11B2A3B3.B5AB5.2A$.2BABA2B3.8B2A2B2A2B2.2A3B2A
5.A$9B.7B2A4B2A4B.5A7.3A.2A$14BA10BA3B.A3BA9.A.2A$.2BABA7B3ABAB4A2BA
5BABA10.B$.3BA7BA2B4ABAB3A7BAB10.B3A$2.2BA2B2.3BA10BA9B3.3BA2B.2BA2.A
$2.2BA2B2.4B2A4B2A7B.10BABA4B.2A$3.3A5.2B2A2B2A8B3.2B2A8B2A2B$3.3A6.
3B2A11B2.BA2BA7B2A2B$4.B9.3B.3B.7B3.2A8B2A2B$14.2B2.B7.4B4.5BABA2B$
11.B6.B8.4B5.3BA2B$10.3AB2.B3A8.4B$9.A.3A2.3A.A8.3BA$10.2A.4A.2A10.3B
A$13.4B14.3AB!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » July 24th, 2021, 11:56 am

My p84 pi hassler can turn a block to a glider in two ways, in two different directions

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x = 86, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
36b2o10b2o$26b2o8bo12bo$26b2o6bobo12bobo$34b2o14b2o$10bo64bo$4bo4bobo
62bobo4bo$4b3o2bobo62bobo2b3o$7bobob2o60b2obobo$4b2obobo2bo60bo2bobob
2o$4bo4bobo62bobo4bo$5b3obobo18b2o22b2o18bobob3o$2o2b2obobobo12b2o4bob
o20bobo4b2o12bobobob2o2b2o$o4bobobobo14bo5bo20bo5bo14bobobobo4bo$b3obo
bo4bo11b2o4bobo20bobo4b2o11bo4bobob3o$6bo2bob2o17b2o22b2o17b2obo2bo$b
4obob2obo62bob2obob4o$bo2bobobo2bo62bo2bobobo2bo$5bo3b2o64b2o3bo9$5bo
3b2o64b2o3bo$bo2bobobo2bo62bo2bobobo2bo$b4obob2obo62bob2obob4o$6bo2bob
2o17b2o22b2o17b2obo2bo$b3obobo4bo11b2o4bobo20bobo4b2o11bo4bobob3o$o4bo
bobobo14bo5bo20bo5bo14bobobobo4bo$2o2b2obobobo12b2o4bobo20bobo4b2o12bo
bobob2o2b2o$5b3obobo18b2o22b2o18bobob3o$4bo4bobo62bobo4bo$4b2obobo2bo
60bo2bobob2o$7bobob2o60b2obobo$4b3o2bobo62bobo2b3o$4bo4bobo62bobo4bo$
10bo64bo$34b2o14b2o$23b2o9bobo12bobo$23b2o11bo12bo$36b2o10b2o!
Can someone run a search to see if any catalysts can release a glider with the blinker reappearing in its original location? (p32)

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x = 87, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
67b2o$67bo$68bo$43bo13bo7b3obo15b2o$43bo12bobo7bo2bo5b2o6bob2o$43bo12b
obo5bo3b2ob2obobo5bo$18b2o15bo18b2o2b2o3bob3o2bobobo10bo$19bo15b3o17bo
bo2bobobo3bobo3b2o5b2obo$18bo19bo16bobob2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b2o$2o15bob3o
15bo16b2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$2obo6b2o5bo2bo11b2o3bo3bo3b3o5bo5b3o2bo
bo6bo2bo$4bo5bobob2ob2o3bo8bobo7bo3bo2bo4bo3b2o3bo4b9o$bo10bobobo2b3ob
o3b2o2bobobo3bo2bobo2b2o4bo$2bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bobo2b2o5b2ob2o2bo
4bo3b2o3bo4b9o$4b2o3b2obo5bob2o2bob2obobo21bo5b3o2bobo6bo2bo$9bobo3b2o
bo2b2obobo2bob2o21b2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$10bo2bo6bobo2b3o5bo21bobob
2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b2o$11b9o4bo3b2o3bo4bo2b2ob2o5b2o2bobo2bobobo3bobo3b
2o5b2obo$33bo4b2o2bobo2bo3bobobo2b2o3bob3o2bobobo10bo$11b9o4bo3b2o3bo
4bo2bo3bo7bobo8bo3b2ob2obobo5bo$10bo2bo6bobo2b3o5bo5b3o3bo3bo3b2o11bo
2bo5b2o6bob2o$9bobo3b2obo2b2obobo2bob2o16bo15b3obo15b2o$4b2o3b2obo5bob
2o2bob2obobo16bo19bo$2bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bobo17b3o15bo$bo10bobobo2b
3obo3b2o2b2o18bo15b2o$4bo5bobob2ob2o3bo5bobo$2obo6b2o5bo2bo7bobo$2o15b
ob3o7bo$18bo$19bo$18b2o!
or beehive

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x = 87, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
67b2o$45bo21bo$44bobo21bo$44bobo10bo7b3obo15b2o$45bo10bobo7bo2bo5b2o6b
ob2o$56bobo5bo3b2ob2obobo5bo$18b2o15bo18b2o2b2o3bob3o2bobobo10bo$19bo
15b3o17bobo2bobobo3bobo3b2o5b2obo$18bo19bo16bobob2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b2o$
2o15bob3o15bo16b2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$2obo6b2o5bo2bo11b2o3bo3bo3b3o
5bo5b3o2bobo6bo2bo$4bo5bobob2ob2o3bo8bobo7bo3bo2bo4bo3b2o3bo4b9o$bo10b
obobo2b3obo3b2o2bobobo3bo2bobo2b2o4bo$2bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bobo2b2o
5b2ob2o2bo4bo3b2o3bo4b9o$4b2o3b2obo5bob2o2bob2obobo21bo5b3o2bobo6bo2bo
$9bobo3b2obo2b2obobo2bob2o21b2obo2bobob2o2bob2o3bobo$10bo2bo6bobo2b3o
5bo21bobob2obo2b2obo5bob2o3b2o$11b9o4bo3b2o3bo4bo2b2ob2o5b2o2bobo2bobo
bo3bobo3b2o5b2obo$33bo4b2o2bobo2bo3bobobo2b2o3bob3o2bobobo10bo$11b9o4b
o3b2o3bo4bo2bo3bo7bobo8bo3b2ob2obobo5bo$10bo2bo6bobo2b3o5bo5b3o3bo3bo
3b2o11bo2bo5b2o6bob2o$9bobo3b2obo2b2obobo2bob2o16bo15b3obo15b2o$4b2o3b
2obo5bob2o2bob2obobo16bo19bo$2bob2o5b2o3bobo3bobobo2bobo17b3o15bo$bo
10bobobo2b3obo3b2o2b2o18bo15b2o$4bo5bobob2ob2o3bo5bobo$2obo6b2o5bo2bo
7bobo$2o15bob3o7bo$18bo$19bo$18b2o!
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » July 27th, 2021, 6:36 am

Has this P184 gun be seen elsewhere, other than the endemic pattern thread? It is two cells smaller (36 cells, ties with GGG and p156) than the one in LifeWiki:

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x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$22bobo$24bo7$28b2o$28bo$26bobo$7b2o17b2o$7bob2o$10bo$8bobo
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Freywa » July 27th, 2021, 12:02 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
July 27th, 2021, 6:36 am
Has this P184 gun be seen elsewhere, other than the endemic pattern thread? It is two cells smaller (36 cells, ties with GGG and p156) than the one in LifeWiki:

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x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bobo$22bobo$24bo7$28b2o$28bo$26bobo$7b2o17b2o$7bob2o$10bo$8bobo
$8b2o5$2bo$2o$2b2o$bo$12b2o$13bo$10b3o$10bo!
Which spurred me to improve my 15-glider synthesis of the fully stable gun by two:

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x = 145, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
2bobo52bo73bo$3b2o50b3o52bo18b3o$3bo50bo45bo10bo16bo$54b2o45bo7b3o16b
2o$3o10bobo52bo30b3o40bo$2bo11b2o50b3o71b3o$bo12bo50bo73bo$65b2o72b2o$
11b3o$13bo$12bo98bobo$112b2o$112bo10$50bo$40bo7bobo54b2o$38bobo4bo3b2o
55b2o$39b2o4b2o58bo$44bobo$118b2o$117bobo$117bo$116b2o9$142b2o$137b2o
3bobo$137bobo2bo$137bo!
The gun with clocks can meanwhile be synthed in 16

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x = 163, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
25bo$26b2o$25b2o$65bobo81bo$23bo42b2o60bo18b3o$23b2o41bo51bo10bo16bo$
22bobo94bo7b3o16b2o$63b3o12bo38b3o38bo$65bo10b2o78b2o$64bo13b2o78b2o$
77bo79bo$25bobo$25b2o$26bo102bobo$130b2o$23b2o105bo$22b2o$24bo5$4bo$5b
o$3b3o2$b2o120b2o$obo121b2o$2bo120bo$55bo79bo$55bobo77bobo$54bobo77bob
o$56bo79bo$3bo$3bobo$3b2o2$3o$o$bo3$160b2o$155b2o3bobo$155bobo2bo$155b
o!
and the capped versions now cost 18 and 21 respectively:

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x = 236, y = 102, rule = B3/S23
192bo$193b2o$192b2o4$78bobo115bo$79b2o115bobo$79bo116b2o$143bo67bo$
141b3o47bo17b3o$80bo59bo51b2o14bo$79bo60b2o49b2o15b2o$79b3o122bo9b2o$
205bo8bo$203b3o6bobo$77bobo132b2o$78b2o38bo24bo56bo$78bo38bo25bobo3b2o
50b2o$117b3o19b2o2b2o3b2o50b2o$112bobo23b2o10bo$113b2o25bo42b2o$113bo
68bobo17b2o$182bo19bobo$181b2o19bo4$27bo$26bo$26b3o$21bobo$22b2o37b2o
56b2o66b2o$22bo37bobo5bo49bobo65bobo$60bo7bobo47bo67bo$59b2o7b2o47b2o
66b2o$123b2o66b2o$124bo67bo$66b2o53b3o65b3o$65b2o54bo67bo$67bo21$212bo
$213b2o$212b2o4$216bo$216bobo$27bobo186b2o$27b2o9b2o54bo66bo67bo$22bo
5bo8b2o53b2o65b2o50bo15b2o$23b2o8bo5bo54b2o48bo16b2o49b2o15b2o$22b2o9b
2o58bo49bo16bo50b2o15bo$32bobo108b3o78bo9b2o$126bobo96bo8bo$127b2o94b
3o6bobo$127bo104b2o$163bo56bo$163bobo3b2o50b2o$159b2o2b2o3b2o50b2o$
158b2o10bo$160bo42b2o$202bobo17b2o$202bo19bobo$201b2o19bo6$5bo$5bobo7b
3o53bo66bo67bo$bo3b2o8bo55bobo64bobo65bobo$2bo8b2o3bo53bobo6bo57bobo
65bobo$3o7bobo59bo6bobo57bo67bo$12bo66b2o$143b2o66b2o$144bo67bo$77b2o
62b3o65b3o$76b2o63bo67bo$78bo!
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » July 27th, 2021, 2:57 pm

Freywa wrote:
July 27th, 2021, 12:02 pm
Which spurred me to improve my 15-glider synthesis of the fully stable gun by two:

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x = 145, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
2bobo52bo73bo$3b2o50b3o52bo18b3o$3bo50bo45bo10bo16bo$54b2o45bo7b3o16b
2o$3o10bobo52bo30b3o40bo$2bo11b2o50b3o71b3o$bo12bo50bo73bo$65b2o72b2o$
11b3o$13bo$12bo98bobo$112b2o$112bo10$50bo$40bo7bobo54b2o$38bobo4bo3b2o
55b2o$39b2o4b2o58bo$44bobo$118b2o$117bobo$117bo$116b2o9$142b2o$137b2o
3bobo$137bobo2bo$137bo!
I think that I found an improvement a while back, but I can't remember how many gliders I improved the cost by.
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by hotdogPi » August 1st, 2021, 3:40 pm

Here's a p21 pi-heptomino generator. It should be easily convertable into a gun (new period!), although I'm not familiar with conduits.

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x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
16bo2bo2bo$16b7o2$16b7o$16bo2bo2bo3$26b2o5b2o$26b2o5b2o$19bo$18b3o$17b
o2b2o4b3o3b3o$17bo3bo2bo4bobo4bo$19bobo7bobo$23bo3bobobobo3bo$16b2ob2o
3bo2bobobobo2bo$4b2o3b2o7bo6b3obobob3o$2b3obobob3o6bo7b2o3b2o$bo2bobob
obo2bo3b2ob2o$o3bobobobo3bo$6bobo7bobo$bo4bobo4bo2bo3bo$3b3o3b3o4b2o2b
o$17b3o$18bo$3b2o5b2o$3b2o5b2o3$15bo2bo2bo$15b7o2$15b7o$15bo2bo2bo!
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries

Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » August 1st, 2021, 3:57 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 3:40 pm
Here's a p21 pi-heptomino generator. It should be easily convertable into a gun (new period!), although I'm not familiar with conduits.
I found a glider-creating reaction, but it doesn't have enough clearance for the gliders to escape.

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x = 39, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
15bo2bo2bo$15b7o2$15b7o$15bo2bo2bo2$18bo$17b3o5b2o5b2o$17bobo5b2o5b2o
3$16bo8b2o5b2o$16b3o5bob2o3b2obo$17b2o4b3ob2ob2ob3o$23b3o2bobo2b3o$19b
o3b2o3bobo3b2o$4bo3bo7bo2bo5b2obobob2o$2b2obobob2o5bo2bo7bo3bo$2o3bob
o3b2o3bo$3o2bobo2b3o$3ob2ob2ob3o4b2o$bob2o3b2obo5b3o$2b2o5b2o8bo3$2b2o
5b2o5bobo$2b2o5b2o5b3o$17bo2b3o5b2o5b2o$20bo2bo4b2o5b2o2$24bo$18bo9b2o
5b2o$19b2obo4bo2bo3bo2bo$21bo5bo3bobo3bo$27bo3bobo3bo$22bo3bo2bobobob
o2bo$7bo3bo8b3o4bobobobobobo$4bobobobobobo4b3o8bo3bo$3bo2bobobobo2bo3b
o$4bo3bobo3bo$4bo3bobo3bo5bo$4bo2bo3bo2bo4bob2o$5b2o5b2o9bo$17bo2$5b2o
5b2o4bo2bo$5b2o5b2o5b3o3$17bo2bo2bo$17b7o2$17b7o$17bo2bo2bo!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by C28 » August 1st, 2021, 3:58 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 3:40 pm
Here's a p21 pi-heptomino generator. It should be easily convertable into a gun (new period!), although I'm not familiar with conduits.

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x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
16bo2bo2bo$16b7o2$16b7o$16bo2bo2bo3$26b2o5b2o$26b2o5b2o$19bo$18b3o$17b
o2b2o4b3o3b3o$17bo3bo2bo4bobo4bo$19bobo7bobo$23bo3bobobobo3bo$16b2ob2o
3bo2bobobobo2bo$4b2o3b2o7bo6b3obobob3o$2b3obobob3o6bo7b2o3b2o$bo2bobob
obo2bo3b2ob2o$o3bobobobo3bo$6bobo7bobo$bo4bobo4bo2bo3bo$3b3o3b3o4b2o2b
o$17b3o$18bo$3b2o5b2o$3b2o5b2o3$15bo2bo2bo$15b7o2$15b7o$15bo2bo2bo!
smaller bounding box

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x = 38, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
24bo$22b3o$21bo$21b2o2$26b2o5b2o$26b2o5b2o$19bo$18b3o$17bo2b2o4b3o3b3o
$17bo3bo2bo4bobo4bo$19bobo7bobo$23bo3bobobobo3bo$16b2ob2o3bo2bobobobo
2bo$4b2o3b2o7bo6b3obobob3o$2b3obobob3o6bo7b2o3b2o$bo2bobobobo2bo3b2ob
2o$o3bobobobo3bo$6bobo7bobo$bo4bobo4bo2bo3bo$3b3o3b3o4b2o2bo$17b3o$18b
o$3b2o5b2o$3b2o5b2o2$15b2o$16bo$13b3o$13bo!
edit: smaller

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x = 38, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
14bo$14b3o$17bo$16b2o$26b2o5b2o$26b2o5b2o$19bo$18b3o$17bo2b2o4b3o3b3o
$17bo3bo2bo4bobo4bo$19bobo7bobo$23bo3bobobobo3bo$16b2ob2o3bo2bobobobo
2bo$4b2o3b2o7bo6b3obobob3o$2b3obobob3o6bo7b2o3b2o$bo2bobobobo2bo3b2ob
2o$o3bobobobo3bo$6bobo7bobo$bo4bobo4bo2bo3bo$3b3o3b3o4b2o2bo$17b3o$18b
o$3b2o5b2o$3b2o5b2o$20b2o$20bo$21b3o$23bo!
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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo8$b3o$b3o$obo$2o!
the U-turner gallery
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » August 1st, 2021, 4:07 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 3:40 pm
Here's a p21 pi-heptomino generator. It should be easily convertable into a gun (new period!), although I'm not familiar with conduits.
Here's a reduction of a completion that Kazyan posted in Discord:

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x = 42, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
18bo$17bobob2o$17bobob2o$12bob2obobo$12b2obobobob2o$16bo2bo2bo$20bo$18b
o$18b3o10b2o5b2o$31b2o5b2o$15b2o14b2o5b2o$14bobo15b2o3b2o$14bo16b2o5b
2o$13b2o8b3o6bobobobo$12bo9bo2bo8bobo$11bob2o7b2obo8bobo$8bo2bobobo13b
3o2bobo2b3o$8b4obobo13b2obobobobob2o$b2o10bob2o16bo3bo$bobo6b4o2bo$3b
o6bo3b2o6bob2o$3b2o6b3o2bo5bo2bo$b2o3b2o2bo2bob2o5b3o$o2b2o5bo2bobo$b
obo2bobo4bobo$2o2bobob4ob2o$2bob2obo4bo$2bo4bob2obo$b2o4b2ob2o$20b2o$
21bo$18b3o$18bo!
Last edited by MathAndCode on August 1st, 2021, 4:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by iNoMed » August 1st, 2021, 4:07 pm

Both sides can be 38P7s:

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x = 38, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
13.A12.3A$12.A.A.2A7.3BA$12.A.A.2A6.3BA$7.A.2A.A.A8.4B$7.2A.A.A.A.2A
4.4B$11.A2BA.BA3.2A2B$11.2B.BA4.2B2A$12.BA3B.3BAB$11.2B3A6B4.2A5.2A$
12.5B.4B3.B2AB3.B2AB$10.2AB4.5B4.2A5.2A$9.A.AB4.6B4.2A3.2A$9.A6.7B3.
2AB3.B2A$8.2A6.2B3A2B.3BABA.ABA3B$16.BA2BA2B.5BA.A5B$16.B2ABA2.6BA.A
6B$16.6B2.3AB.A.A.B3A$4.BA3.AB5.6B2.2ABA.A.A.AB2A$.2ABA.A.A.AB2A2.6B
5.BA3.AB$.3AB.A.A.B3A2.6B$6BA.A6B2.AB2AB$.5BA.A5B.2BA2BAB$.3BABA.ABA
3B.2B3A2B$3.2AB3.B2A3.7B$4.2A3.2A4.6B$3.2A5.2A4.5B$2.B2AB3.B2AB3.4B$
3.2A5.2A5.5B$20.2A$20.A$21.3A$23.A!

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x = 35, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
4b2o3b2o3bo3b2ob2o3b2ob2o$2o2bobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo$obobo2bo2bob
o2bobo2bo2bobo3bobo$2bobo3bobobobo2bo5bobo3bobob2o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2o3b
2ob2o3b2ob2o!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » August 1st, 2021, 4:09 pm

iNoMed wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 4:07 pm
Both sides can be 38P7s:
The top sparker is unnecessarily large.

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x = 38, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
26.3A$12.2A11.3BA$12.A.A9.3BA$7.A.2A.A.A8.4B$7.2A.A.A.A.2A4.4B$11.A2B
A.BA3.2A2B$11.2B.BA4.2B2A$12.BA3B.3BAB$11.2B3A6B4.2A5.2A$12.5B.4B3.B2A
B3.B2AB$10.2AB4.5B4.2A5.2A$9.A.AB4.6B4.2A3.2A$9.A6.7B3.2AB3.B2A$8.2A6.
2B3A2B.3BABA.ABA3B$16.BA2BA2B.5BA.A5B$16.B2ABA2.6BA.A6B$16.6B2.3AB.A.
A.B3A$4.BA3.AB5.6B2.2ABA.A.A.AB2A$.2ABA.A.A.AB2A2.6B5.BA3.AB$.3AB.A.A
.B3A2.6B$6BA.A6B2.AB2AB$.5BA.A5B.2BA2BAB$.3BABA.ABA3B.2B3A2B$3.2AB3.B
2A3.7B$4.2A3.2A4.6B$3.2A5.2A4.5B$2.B2AB3.B2AB3.4B$3.2A5.2A5.5B$20.2A$
20.A$21.3A$23.A!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » August 1st, 2021, 4:25 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 4:09 pm
iNoMed wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 4:07 pm
Both sides can be 38P7s:
The top sparker is unnecessarily large.
The top sparker is unnecessarily large.

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x = 38, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A9.3AB$7.A.2A.A.A8.3BA$7.2A.A.A.A.2A4.3BA$11.A2BA.BA3.4B$11.2B.2A
4.4B$12.B2A2B.B2A2B$11.3BA5B2A4.2A5.2A$12.3BAB.BA2B3.B2AB3.B2AB$10.2A
B4.5B4.2B5.2B$9.A.AB4.6B4.AB3.BA$9.A6.2BA4B3.B2A3.2AB$8.2A6.2A5B.3BAB
A.ABA3B$16.3B2A2B.5BA.A5B$16.2BA2B2.6BA.A6B$16.3BA2B2.2ABA.A.A.AB2A$
4.2A3.2A5.B4AB2.BA2B.A.A.2BAB$.BA2B.A.A.2BAB2.B4AB5.2A3.2A$.2ABA.A.A.
AB2A2.2BA3B$6BA.A6B2.2BA2B$.5BA.A5B.2B2A3B$.3BABA.ABA3B.5B2A$3.B2A3.
2AB3.4BA2B$4.AB3.BA4.6B$3.2B5.2B4.5B$2.B2AB3.B2AB3.4B$3.2A5.2A5.5B$
20.2A$20.A$21.3A$23.A!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Freywa » August 1st, 2021, 11:11 pm

That's it, God is dead!

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x = 36, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$2b2o5b2o9bobo$2b2o5b2o10bo2$3bo5bo$3b2o3b2o8bo$3bobobobo9b2o$5bo
bo8b2o$5bobo10bo$2obobobobob2o4bo$bo3bobo3bo4b4o6b2o3b2o$3b2o3b2o6b4o
4bo3bobo3bo$18bo4b2obobobobob2o$17bo10bobo$18b2o8bobo$7b2o6b2o9bobobob
o$8bo8bo8b2o3b2o$8bobo15bo5bo$9b2o$14bo3bo6b2o5b2o$13bo5b2o4b2o5b2o$
12b2o4b2o$13b2o$10bo2bo2bo$6b2obobobob2o7bo$6bob2obobo11bo$12b2o9b3o!
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » August 1st, 2021, 11:51 pm

Freywa wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 11:11 pm
That's it, God is dead!
What exactly do you mean by that?
Freywa wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 11:11 pm

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x = 36, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$2b2o5b2o9bobo$2b2o5b2o10bo2$3bo5bo$3b2o3b2o8bo$3bobobobo9b2o$5bo
bo8b2o$5bobo10bo$2obobobobob2o4bo$bo3bobo3bo4b4o6b2o3b2o$3b2o3b2o6b4o
4bo3bobo3bo$18bo4b2obobobobob2o$17bo10bobo$18b2o8bobo$7b2o6b2o9bobobob
o$8bo8bo8b2o3b2o$8bobo15bo5bo$9b2o$14bo3bo6b2o5b2o$13bo5b2o4b2o5b2o$
12b2o4b2o$13b2o$10bo2bo2bo$6b2obobobob2o7bo$6bob2obobo11bo$12b2o9b3o!
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Freywa » August 1st, 2021, 11:53 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 11:51 pm
What exactly do you mean by that?
I am not reporting anything new; I am just noting that this is the smallest-known odd-period gun.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » August 1st, 2021, 11:55 pm

Freywa wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 11:53 pm
I am just noting that this is the smallest-known odd-period gun.
After discoveries such as electricity, radio, and integrated circuits, how does only a new smallest odd-period gun imply that God is dead?
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by wwei47 » August 2nd, 2021, 12:01 am

MathAndCode wrote:
August 1st, 2021, 11:55 pm
After discoveries such as electricity, radio, and integrated circuits, how does only a new smallest odd-period gun imply that God is dead?
I agree. Suppose god does not exist. Then god is not dead, because they would need to exist to die.
Suppose god does exist. God is still not necessarily dead-the creator of the universe could easily add something to prevent us from killing them.
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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » August 2nd, 2021, 12:19 am

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » August 2nd, 2021, 2:16 am

Good job, everyone! I wonder if a smaller pseudo-period 14 glider gun can be constructed with the new p42 one? I tried for a while but didn't find a p6 or p7 domino sparker for the GIG.

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Re: Gun Discussion Thread

Post by Freywa » August 2nd, 2021, 6:16 am

After reading about the p42/p63/p84 period-multiplying mechanisms I realised that the old blocker trick suffices to turn p84 into p168:

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x = 46, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
11.B$9.3B2A$5.B3.3B2A$4.3A.A3BAB$4.6A3BAB$5.B.A4B2.A$9.5A$27.2A$9.5A
4.A8.A$5.B.A4B2.A3.3A7.A$4.6A3BAB6.A5.2A$4.3A.A3BAB6.2A.B.BA$5.B3.3B
2A6.7B2A6.2A$2A7.3B2A8.B2A.B2.A5.A.A$.A9.B10.BA2B4A7.A$.A.AB2.4B11.BA
BA7.4A.2A2.2A$2.2AB.5B.8B2.3B.BA5.A2.B.A.A2.A$4.7B2AB2AB3A2B.B2.2A3.
2A2.A2BA.2A$4.5B2A5B3A5B6.A2.2A3BA.A$4.5B3A5B2A5BA4.A.2A2.AB2A.A$6.2B
3AB2AB2A5BABAB3.A3.BAB3.A$8.8B.6B2A2B3.3A.A.3A$17.4B3.4B4.5A$16.B8.4B
4.3B$8.A6.3B8.2BAB3.3B$.2A3.3A2.A3.3B9.2B2A3.B$2.A2.A3.3A2.2AB2A2.A6.
2A4B$2.A.A.2A4.3A.A.4A7.6B2.2A5.2A$2A2.A.A.4A3.BA13.4B.2B2A5.A$.A.AB.
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.A.A2.A12.5B2A2B$.A.A6.4A.A.3A13.5BABAB$.A2.6A4.A17.7BAB$2A9.2A2.3A7.
2A4.A7B$4.3A.2A.A5.3A3.2B2AB2.A3B3.B.B$3.A2.A.A2.A8.A2.4B2.B3A5.3B$3.
2A4.2A8.2A2.9B6.3A$19.12B6.ABABA$21.9B5.3A.B.3A$8.2A.2A7.9B5.A3.BAB3.
A$8.2A.A8.9B4.A.2ABA2.2A.A$11.A.B3.11B5.A.AB4A2.A$11.3AB.2B2A7B3.2A.A
.2A2B2.2A$9.2A2.BA3B2A7B3.2A.A.A.A2.A$8.A2.4A12B7.2A.4A$8.2A.A.2B3.7B
.B2A7.A$9.A2.3AB2.7B.BA.A6.A.A$9.A5.A3.5B5.A7.2A$10.5A4.5B5.2A$12.A7.
5B$17.3B2.4B$12.B2.BA3B3.4B$11.3AB2A2B2A3.4B$11.4A4B2A4.3BA$12.3B2A2.
B6.3BA$12.3B12.3AB!
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!

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