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newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 3rd, 2020, 6:11 pm
by Whatamidoing
I just downloaded Golly and I am experimenting with it. I have come across a Methuselah that I could not find, so i'm wondering if I missed the file, if its not on there, or if I (somehow) discovered a new pattern.
if the lattermost is so, I call it 3x4 Megaglider, as it is a glider scaled up somewhat. due to this nature, I believe it has been discovered
if so, can someone link the article?
i put the picture in Attachments
some information on it:
it stabilizes at around generation 150
it creates 3 blocks, 2 gliders, and a still-life ship
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 3rd, 2020, 6:22 pm
by goldenratio
It's a one generation
B-heptomino predecessor. In general closely connected patterns up to 10 cells have all been investigated.
Also use RLE. To do this just select the pattern you want to get the code for and use your typical copy to clipboard keyboard shortcut. Make sure to put RLEs in code tags.
You also posted this in the "Thread for your unsure discoveries" thread. That's a good choice, but please don't post the same thing in multiple places.
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 3rd, 2020, 6:25 pm
by Ian07
To clarify on this, if you select the pattern and then copy it and paste it inside a code tag, you can get the option to show it in an interactive pop-up window using the "Show in viewer" button:
Code: Select all
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3bo$o2bo$b3o!
Welcome to the forums!
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 3rd, 2020, 6:26 pm
by Whatamidoing
goldenratio wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:22 pm
It's a
B-heptomino predecessor. In general closely connected patterns up to 10 cells have all been investigated.
Also use RLE
thanks for the info. i made a post on a different section (unsure discoveries) after deciding that one is better, so I will have to wait for the same reply there too I guess. I must have missed it on B-heptomino because it is not shown immediately apon looking on the page
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 4th, 2020, 1:20 am
by Hunting
Whatamidoing wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:26 pm
goldenratio wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:22 pm
It's a
B-heptomino predecessor. In general closely connected patterns up to 10 cells have all been investigated.
Also use RLE
thanks for the info. i made a post on a different section (unsure discoveries) after deciding that one is better, so I will have to wait for the same reply there too I guess. I must have missed it on B-heptomino because it is not shown immediately apon looking on the page
Also why did you consider it as a methuselah? It is not even as long lived as random scribble.
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 4th, 2020, 11:06 pm
by bubblegum
Hunting wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:20 am
Also why did you consider it as a methuselah? It is not even as long lived as random scribble.
You're like the graph of a quadratic equation with a negative
a term plotted on a graph where the x-axis is time from before on the left to after on the right and the y-axis is lifeenthusiastic skill going from more skilled on the top to after on the bottom. I don't even want to change your displayed name in the quote. I just can't put the thought I have for you in words.
Whatamidoing wrote:(literally just for the ping)
yeah i'll give up the changing displaynames thing
Tip: Try rotating, reflecting or advancing a pattern if you can't find it on the LifeWiki, and see if that helps. I'd also advise you to check in pattern catalogues like
mniemiec's database,
the Pentadecathlon catalogue,
Catagolue, or pattern collections like jslife.
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 5th, 2020, 8:18 am
by gameoflifemaniac
bubblegum wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 11:06 pm
You're like the graph of a quadratic equation with a negative
a term plotted on a graph where the x-axis is time from before on the left to after on the right and the y-axis is lifeenthusiastic skill going from more skilled on the top to after on the bottom. I don't even want to change your displayed name in the quote. I just can't put the thought I have for you in words.
I'm too stupid to understand that roast lol
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 5th, 2020, 7:20 pm
by Whatamidoing
gameoflifemaniac wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 8:18 am
bubblegum wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 11:06 pm
You're like the graph of a quadratic equation with a negative
a term plotted on a graph where the x-axis is time from before on the left to after on the right and the y-axis is lifeenthusiastic skill going from more skilled on the top to after on the bottom. I don't even want to change your displayed name in the quote. I just can't put the thought I have for you in words.
I'm too stupid to understand that roast lol
don't worry, I am too. what am I doing on big brain math forum
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 5th, 2020, 9:05 pm
by Hunting
Whatamidoing wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 7:20 pm
gameoflifemaniac wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 8:18 am
bubblegum wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 11:06 pm
You're like the graph of a quadratic equation with a negative
a term plotted on a graph where the x-axis is time from before on the left to after on the right and the y-axis is lifeenthusiastic skill going from more skilled on the top to after on the bottom. I don't even want to change your displayed name in the quote. I just can't put the thought I have for you in words.
I'm too stupid to understand that roast lol
don't worry, I am too. what am I doing on big brain math forum
Well this is not a "big brain math forum" (Math Stack Exchange and CS Theory Stack Exchange is). Most of the member here are big brain math people though.
Welcome!
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 6th, 2020, 6:01 am
by wzkchem5
Hunting wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:20 am
Whatamidoing wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:26 pm
goldenratio wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:22 pm
It's a
B-heptomino predecessor. In general closely connected patterns up to 10 cells have all been investigated.
Also use RLE
thanks for the info. i made a post on a different section (unsure discoveries) after deciding that one is better, so I will have to wait for the same reply there too I guess. I must have missed it on B-heptomino because it is not shown immediately apon looking on the page
Also why did you consider it as a methuselah? It is not even as long lived as random scribble.
Maybe one can compile the distribution of lifetimes of random scribbles of various lengths, so that we have a concrete criterion for separating methuselahs from non-methuselahs: one can thus, for example, say a particular pattern is so long-lived that the probability of a random scribble of comparable length having that long lifetime is < 0.001, so it deserves to be called a methuselah, while another only outlives 70% of random scribbles involving that many cells and is definitely not a methuselah.
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 6th, 2020, 7:20 am
by Hunting
wzkchem5 wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 6:01 am
Hunting wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:20 am
Whatamidoing wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:26 pm
thanks for the info. i made a post on a different section (unsure discoveries) after deciding that one is better, so I will have to wait for the same reply there too I guess. I must have missed it on B-heptomino because it is not shown immediately apon looking on the page
Also why did you consider it as a methuselah? It is not even as long lived as random scribble.
Maybe one can compile the distribution of lifetimes of random scribbles of various lengths, so that we have a concrete criterion for separating methuselahs from non-methuselahs: one can thus, for example, say a particular pattern is so long-lived that the probability of a random scribble of comparable length having that long lifetime is < 0.001, so it deserves to be called a methuselah, while another only outlives 70% of random scribbles involving that many cells and is definitely not a methuselah.
Or rather, random soups (of various symmetry). If someone did try I'd love to see the result.
Re: newbie trying to discover new stuff. can anyone identify this pattern? I can't find it
Posted: August 6th, 2020, 9:40 am
by dvgrn
Hunting wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 7:20 am
Or rather, random soups (of various symmetry). If someone did try I'd love to see the result.
Random soups are already being catalogued -- or rather,
Catagolued -- at least for C1. The distribution follows a fairly nice curve, with the usual statistical weirdness in the last few bins.
Other symmetries would be a little harder to do methuselanalysis on, I think, because strange long-lived things like kaleidoscopic switch-engine arrangements tend to show up more often.