(Engineered) diehards

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moebius
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by moebius » September 15th, 2023, 7:48 pm

b3s23love: And I was incorrect about your contribution. The 507 is the number of loaves and you increased their number by 10, so you increased a 497 in the equation to 507.

This also means that I was incorrect in my estimate of the second fuse loaves with my inclusion of 2 toads. It should be 121^(121^(121^(135361 * 121^497 / 15)))

Have a happy day,

-Tim Coe

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by Dean Hickerson » September 15th, 2023, 9:04 pm

moebius wrote:
September 14th, 2023, 11:41 am
After the above showed up the following with a lifetime of 1120271 appeared (not much of an improvement :-)):
This is amazing! It sure beats my best 32x32 diehard (31133 gens). I'm glad to see that someone's working on smaller diehards. (And that I didn't waste time trying to optimize my "gun clearing debris, with spaceship chasing" patterns larger than 40x40.)

Do you have any ideas for improving the 16x16 case? My best lasts for 1456 gens:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
4o2bo5bo$3b3o5b2o$8b2o4bo$o2b3o2bo3bo2bo$2o2bo6b3o$o3bobo6bo$bo2b2o9bo
$b2ob2o3bobo3bo$3obo4b3o3bo$8b2o3b2o$12bob2o$10b4o$2b2o4bobob4o$2bo6bo
3b3o$3bo3b2obo3bo$2b2o4b3ob3o!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 15th, 2023, 10:07 pm

If this could be tucked in by two columns, the result would be 121^^(121^(121^(121^(121^(135361 * 121^497 / 15)))))

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x = 111, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
20b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$21bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$43b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$44bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$44bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$45b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$50b2o6b3o3b2o$39b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$30b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$30b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$44bobo8bo38b2o$45bo8b3o$23b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$23b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$31b2o7bob
o5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$31b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$32bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b
2o20bo2bo19b2obo$37bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$36bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$35bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$34bobo21bo45b2o$21b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$21b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$22b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$23bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$37b2o
37b2o11bo$23b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$29bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$29b2o24bo23b2o
13bo2bo$44bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$42bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$21b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$22bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$19b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$19bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$29bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
4bobo12b2o11b4o$30bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$25b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17b
o5bo6bo18bo4bo$27bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$24bo14bo6bobo
10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$25b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12b
o3b2o$43bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo$42bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2b
obo$32bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo$18bo12bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o4bo$
18b3o11b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$21bo21bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8bo$20b2o20bobo
16bo5bo24bo$30bo12b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o$29bobo3b2o24bo5bo$30bo3bobo
21bo5bo$23bo3bo6bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4bo16b3o2bobo4b2o17bo5bo5bo7bobo$4bob
o13bo6bo24b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$4b2o6b2o2b2o3bo24bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo$12bobo2b
o4bo22bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$14bobo4b2o22b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo$4b2o7bo2b2o15b
o15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$4b2o2bo4b2o2bo14bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo$2bo4bo
bo5b2o14bobo43bobo4b3o$2o5bo5b2o15bobo45bo7bo7b2o$b2o5b2o2bobo16bo16bo
45b2o9bo2bobo$9bo2bo15bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo$5bo21bobo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o
4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$3b2o5bo17bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$4b2o
5b2o18bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$9bo20bobo16b2obo12bo4bo12bobo20b
2o2bo$7b2o8bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob2o$8b2o6bo2bo4b2o9bo
19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$13b2obo2bo4bobo9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b
2o31b2ob2o$14bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$15b5o6b2o7b
obo9b3obo10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$16bobobo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2ob
obo$16b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$17bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$
18b4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o$19bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob
3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$25bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o$26bo2bo5bo12b2o
b5obob3o10bo31b2o2bobo$27bo6bobo12b3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo$27bo7bo12bo4bo
2bo2b2o3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$42bo2bo2bobobobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$28bo9b2o6bo4b
obobo3b2ob3o36b4o4b2o$28bob2obo4b2o2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob
2o$27b2obobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2obo17b2o8bobobo5bo$28bob3o10b3obo4b
3ob2o3bobo5bo34b2o$29b2obo3bo5b2o5bo3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bo
bob3o$30b3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o$32bo11b2obo
7bo3bobo3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$33b2o7b2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$
34bo7b3o4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!
Unfortunately, I need to sleep right now.

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by toroidalet » September 15th, 2023, 10:48 pm

A taste of things to come:

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x = 106, y = 94, rule = LifeSuper
15.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$16.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
38.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$39.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$39.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
40.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$45.2Q6.3M3.2M$34.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$25.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$25.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$39.pA.pA8.M38.2M$40.pA8.3M$
18.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$18.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$26.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$26.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$27.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$32.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$31.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
30.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$29.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$16.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$16.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
17.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$18.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
32.2O37.2M11.M$18.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$24.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$24.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$39.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$37.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
16.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$17.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$14.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$14.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$24.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$25.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$20.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$22.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$19.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$20.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$27.pA10.pA6.pA.pA
5.2S2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$26.pA.pA8.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$
27.pA10.pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$13.O28.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$13.3O26.
2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$16.O21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$12.W.WO10.U10.A.A16.S
5.S24.Q$W5.2W3.W4.O8.U.U10.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$.W.5W.6W11.U3.2U24.S
5.S$3.2W3.W.2W17.U.U21.S5.S$.W2.3W.4W2.W14.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$3.W4.W2.W.
2W2.W.2W7.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$W.W3.W2.W.W2.W.2W.W.W11.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.
2Q$.2W3.W2.2W2.W.2W3.W11.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$W2.2W.3W2.2W3.W16.U6.O
.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$W.W8.W.3W24.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$W4.W.2W.W.W.W13.U5.U
9.2S6.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$4W6.W2.W2.W10.U.U3.U.U8.2S7.S17.pA.pA4.M$2W
2.W3.W3.2W12.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$W4.W.W2.W2.W11.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$W2.W.W
3.2W2.W.W10.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$W3.W.W.2W3.3W7.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.Q.Q$2.
W6.2W11.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$4.3W6.W9.U5.U5.2O3.3S9.S.
S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$5W3.2W2.W2.W4.U5.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q
$3.2W.W3.W2.2W4.U.U3.U.U16.2S.S12.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$20.U5.U3.2U13.3S
2.3S.S2.S8.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$30.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$31.3U6.2S4.S
.2S.S.S2.3S2.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.M12.U11.U5.S3.2S.3S3.2S3.2S2.2Q13.2S
23.Q$20.U.U7.U.U9.3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$5.2M.3M4.2U4.U3.2U3.2U4.pA3.
2S.3S2.S2.2S.S2.S.S40.2Q.Q.Q$5.2M2.M2.M2.U.U7.U9.pA.pA5.2S5.S5.2S.S$
5.M6.M5.U7.3U7.pA6.S.2S.2S2.2S4.S5.M$5.2M2.M2.M.M2.2U9.U4.pA10.S.2S6.
2S2.M4.M.M.2M$7.M4.M12.U.U4.pA.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M
2.M$8.M2.M.M11.2U6.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.6M27.M.2M2.2M$10.M19.pA12.2S.5S.S.
3S10.M31.2M2.M.M$7.M.3M3.M13.pA.pA12.3S10.S.S34.M2.M.M5.M$9.M5.M14.pA
12.S4.S2.S2.2S3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$8.M3.M2.2M10.pA9.S2.S2.S.S.S.S.S2.2S.2S
38.3M4.Q$17.M8.pA.pA4.2pA6.S4.S.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$17.3M7.pA5.2pA2.
3S4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$23.M15.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M8.
M.M.Q5.Q$21.M16.3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$17.M4.4M11.2S5.S3.3S.S.S2.S.
2S3.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$19.M.M15.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M9.2M
5.2M6.M.7Q$19.2M5.M12.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$18.2M3.M.2M10.
2S.S.2S.S.S.S.S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$17.M3.M4.M.M8.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q
$19.M2.M$23.M.2M$23.4M!
EDIT: EvinZL :x (Actually, I meant Tim Coe. Sorry about that.)

EDIT2: Finally got EvinZL's idea to work (EDIT3: this is not actually EvinZL's idea, and I think this one is not an improvement at all). Unfortunately, due to timing we need to get rid of the long hook with tail:

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = LifeSuper
18.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$19.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
41.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$42.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$42.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
43.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$48.2Q6.3M3.2M$37.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$28.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$28.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$42.pA.pA8.M38.2M$43.pA8.3M$
21.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$21.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$29.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$29.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$30.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$35.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$34.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
33.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$32.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$19.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$19.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
20.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$21.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
35.2O37.2M11.M$21.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$27.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$27.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$42.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$40.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
19.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$20.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$17.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$17.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$27.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$28.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$23.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$25.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$22.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$23.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$41.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$40.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$30.W10.pA
10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$16.O12.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$16.3O11.2W
13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$19.O21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$18.2O20.A.A16.S5.S
24.Q$28.W12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$27.W.W3.2U24.S5.S$4.W23.W3.U.U21.S
5.S$4.W.W18.W6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$4.2W6.2W2.2W6.W.W4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$
12.W.W2.W7.W10.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$14.W.W18.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$4.
2W7.W2.2W18.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$4.2W2.W4.2W2.W25.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$
2.W4.W.W5.2W14.U5.U9.2S6.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$2W5.W5.2W15.U.U3.U.U8.2S
7.S17.pA.pA4.M$.2W5.2W2.W.W7.2U5.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$9.W2.W8.U.U4.U.U
45.pA7.M7.2M$5.W15.2U6.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$3.2W5.W15.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.
Q.Q$4.2W5.2W5.2U5.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$9.W7.U.U6.U5.U
5.2O3.3S9.S.S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$7.2W8.2U10.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S
11.S24.Q$8.2W18.U.U16.2S.S12.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$14.M14.U3.2U13.3S2.3S
.S2.S8.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$22.2U9.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$11.2M.3M5.U.
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3S3.2S3.2S2.2Q13.2S23.Q$11.M6.M5.2U7.U.U9.3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$11.2M
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2S6.2S2.M4.M.M.2M$13.M.3M3.M13.pA.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2MpA23.M.M
.M.M2.M$15.M5.M14.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.6M27.M.2M2.2M$14.M3.M2.2M10.pA12.2S
.5S.S.3S10.M31.2M2.M.M$23.M8.pA.pA12.3S10.S.S34.M2.M.M5.M$23.3M7.pA
12.S4.S2.S2.2S3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$29.M10.S2.S2.S.S.S.S.S2.2S.2S38.3M4.Q$
27.M8.2pA6.S4.S.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$23.M4.4M4.2pA2.3S4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.
M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$25.M.M14.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$25.2M5.
M8.3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$24.2M3.M.2M7.2S5.S3.3S.S.S2.S.2S3.3M3.2M
10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$23.M3.M4.M.M5.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.
M.7Q$25.M2.M13.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$29.M.2M7.2S.S.2S.S.S.
S.S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$29.4M7.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q!
Slightly improved version (doesn't actually work) (EDIT3: removed a pink nose):

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = LifeSuper
18.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$19.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
41.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$42.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$42.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
43.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$48.2Q6.3M3.2M$37.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$28.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$28.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$42.pA.pA8.M38.2M$43.pA8.3M$
21.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$21.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$29.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$29.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$30.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$35.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$34.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
33.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$32.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$19.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$19.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
20.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$21.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
35.2O37.2M11.M$21.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$27.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$27.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$42.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$40.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
19.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$20.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$17.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$17.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$27.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$28.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$23.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$25.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$22.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$23.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$41.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$40.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$30.W10.pA
10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$16.O12.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$16.3O11.2W
13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$19.O21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$18.2O20.A.A16.S5.S
24.Q$28.W12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$27.W.W3.2U24.S5.S$4.W23.W3.U.U21.S
5.S$4.W.W18.W6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$4.2W6.2W2.2W6.W.W4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$
12.W.W2.W7.W10.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$14.W.W18.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$4.
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2.W4.W.W5.2W14.U5.U9.2S6.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$2W5.W5.2W15.U.U3.U.U8.2S
7.S17.pA.pA4.M$.2W5.2W2.W.W7.2U5.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$9.W2.W8.U.U4.U.U
45.pA7.M7.2M$5.W15.2U6.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$3.2W5.W15.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.
Q.Q$4.2W5.2W5.2U5.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$9.W7.U.U6.U5.U
5.2O3.3S9.S.S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$7.2W8.2U10.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S
11.S24.Q$8.2W18.U.U16.2S.S12.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$14.M14.U3.2U13.3S2.3S
.S2.S8.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$22.2U9.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$11.2M.3M5.U.
U9.3U6.2S4.S.2S.S.S2.3S2.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$11.2M2.M2.M4.U.U10.U5.S3.2S.
3S3.2S3.2S2.2Q13.2S23.Q$11.M6.M5.2U7.U.U9.3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$11.2M
2.M2.M.M12.2U4.pA3.2S.3S2.S2.2S.S2.S.S40.2Q.Q.Q$13.M4.M12.2U5.pA.pA5.
2S5.S5.2S.S$14.M2.M.M9.U2.U6.pA6.S.2S.2S2.2S4.S5.M$16.M12.2U5.pA10.S.
2S6.2S2.M4.M.M.2M$13.M.3M3.M13.pA.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M
.M2.M$15.M5.M14.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.6M27.M.2M2.2M$14.M3.M2.2M10.pA12.2S.
5S.S.3S10.M31.2M2.M.M$23.M8.pA.pA12.3S10.S.S34.M2.M.M5.M$23.3M7.pA12.
S4.S2.S2.2S3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$29.M10.S2.S2.S.S.S.S.S2.2S.2S38.3M4.Q$27.M
8.2pA6.S4.S.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$23.M4.4M4.2pA2.3S4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.M19.
2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$25.M.M14.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$25.2M5.M8.
3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$24.2M3.M.2M7.2S5.S3.3S.S.S2.S.2S3.3M3.2M10.
2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$23.M3.M4.M.M5.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.
7Q$25.M2.M13.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$29.M.2M7.2S.S.2S.S.S.S.
S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$29.4M7.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q!
Well, it looks like that's not actually an improvement. The shillelagh-snake-whatever gets destroyed by the tub. I'll let some other LLS freak fix it and cut another column off.
Last edited by toroidalet on September 16th, 2023, 2:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by calcyman » September 16th, 2023, 4:58 am

moebius wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 7:48 pm
b3s23love: And I was incorrect about your contribution. The 507 is the number of loaves and you increased their number by 10, so you increased a 497 in the equation to 507.

This also means that I was incorrect in my estimate of the second fuse loaves with my inclusion of 2 toads. It should be 121^(121^(121^(135361 * 121^497 / 15)))
It's actually 121^(121^(121^(132961 * 121^497 / 15))). It looks like the number of loaves in the first fuse affects both the mantissa and exponent here, suggesting an empirical closed form of:

(240n + 13861) 121^n / 15 + p(n)

for the initial distance of the block from the mechanism. (The polynomial p(n) is positive but so hugely dominated by the 121^n term that it doesn't really affect the approximation but means that our approximation is a lower bound on the actual lifespan.)
b3s23love wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 5:04 pm
Would you like to share how you calculated this (and how my trivial optimisation affected it)?
moebius wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 7:29 pm
b3s23love: I imagine that calcyman has a pile of equations and analysis similar to the equations I posted a in my 8:13am post yesterday.
Actually no: I run the whole pattern in lifelib's hashlife for enough time (approximately 2^3600 generations) to cause the block to be created, and then use lifelib's pattern-matching functionality to find the actual coordinates of the block. (It might have been pulled a few times from its initial position, but not very far.) Then, I convert this integer to base 11 -- in this case, it was 67290808080808080808080808...08080808082AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA724. Then, I multiply by 15 to get that recurring sequence of '08's to turn to zeroes, giving 9099400000000...0000000030AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA5925. Ignoring the insignificant tail after the very long string of zero digits, this is 132961 * 121^497. But then we need to divide by the factor of 15 that was introduced, giving 132961 * 121^497 / 15.

This method of running the pattern tends to be more reliable than trying to analyse it (but of course is limited, because hashlife can only take you so far), largely because it's free from human error.

EDIT: the other advantage of simulating it for so long is that we can see the final state of the mechanism and then restore the crabstretcher and c/5d spaceship in order to be able to continue reasoning about the diehard:

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x = 111, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
51b2o$51bobo$21b2o29bo$20bo2bo33bo$21b2o33bobo$56bo2bo25b2o15bo$57b2o
26b2o8b2o5bo$41b2o51bo2bo4bo$42bo52b2o8b2o$42bobo5b2o30b2o21bobo$43b2o
3bo3bo29b2o22bo$47bo5bo8b2o$37b3o6b2obo3bo8b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o8bo5bo
31b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o18bo3bo39bo7b2o$50b2o40b2o2$21b2o74b2o$21bo2bo4bo
36bo30b2o$29b2o19bobo12bobo$25bo3b2o20b2o13b2o32b2o$30bo20bo8b2o20bo2b
o14b2o7bo$23b2o34bo2bo21b4o19b3o$22bo37b2o19bo24bo$82b2o2b2o18b2o2$19b
2o3b2o14b2o5b2o33b2o$19b2o3b2o14b2o5bo33b2o$20b5o20bobo34b2o2bo14bo$
21bobo21b2o27b2o25b2o$35b2o26bo10b2o24bobo$21b3o11b2o26bobo$53b2o8b2o
12b2o$53bo23b2o$42bo8bobo41bo$40bobo8b2o38b2o3bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o34b2o
15b6o$20bo11b2o4b2o34b2o14bo3b3o$17b3o18b2o49b2o2b2ob2o$17bo10b2o10bob
o47b2ob2o3bo$27b2o13bo53b2o$29bo78bo$23b2o59bo22bobo$25bo47bobo6b3o22b
o2bo$22bo50b2o6bo7b2o17b2o$23b2o32b2o15bo6b2o6b2o$57bobo45bo$53bo3bo
27bo18bobo$30bo21bobo30bo19b2o$16bo12bobo21bo24b3o4bo$16b3o11b2o40bo5b
3o9bo$19bo6bo45bobo2bo3bo8bo$18b2o6b2o44b2o16bo$26b2o48b2o3b2o$27bo$4b
o17bo$4bobo15b2o$4b2o6b2o2b2o4b2o$12bobo2bo5bo72b2o$14bobo27bo50bo2bo$
4b2o7bo2b2o25bobo50bobo$4b2o2bo4b2o2bo25b2o44b2o6bo$2bo4bobo5b2o44bo
19b2o6b2o$2o5bo5b2o45b2o19bo$b2o5b2o2bobo45bobo19b3o$9bo2bo71bo7b2o$5b
o86b2o11bo$3b2o5bo27bo65bobo$4b2o5b2o25b2o49b2o14b2o$9bo13b2o13b2o49b
2o$7b2o14b2o14bo$8b2o99bo$15bo92bobo$14bo2bo25bobo19bo43b2o$11b2obo2bo
25b2o19bobo$12bo5bo2bo22bo19b2o21b2o$13b5o4bo64bobo$14bobobo68bo$14b5o
$15bo7bo43bo$16b4o22bo18b2o3bobob2o$17bo3b2o19bobo16b2o2bob3ob2o$23bo
12b2o4b2o22b6o34b2o$24bo2bo8b2o32bo28b3o4bo$25bo4bo68bo2bo4b3o$25bo5bo
61bo5bo9bo$93bo6bo2bo$26bo73bobo$26bob2obo56b2o9bobo5bo$25b2obobob2o
54b2o9bo6bobo$26bob3o76b2o$27b2obo3bo50b2o5b2o$28b3ob2o51b2o5b2o6b2o$
30bo46bobo20b2o$31b2o45b2o15b2o$32bo45bo16b2o2$82b2o$82bobo$84bo$84b2o
!
which makes it that much easier to check that it works correctly.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by b3s23love » September 16th, 2023, 5:42 am

toroidalet wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 10:48 pm
Slightly improved version (doesn't actually work):

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x = 107, y = 93, rule = LifeSuper
16.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$17.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
39.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$40.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$40.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
41.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$46.2Q6.3M3.2M$35.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$26.2Q
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19.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$19.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
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2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$38.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$28.W10.pA
10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$14.O12.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$14.3O11.2W
13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$17.O21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$16.2O20.A.A16.S5.S
24.Q$26.W12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$W.W.W4.2W14.W.W3.2U24.S5.S$W.W2.2W.
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2S8.3M20.2Q$25.M.2M$25.4M!
Well, it looks like that's not actually an improvement. The shillelagh-snake-whatever gets destroyed by the tub. I'll let some other LLS freak fix it and cut another column off.
I got it to work by replacing the problematic tub with a toad and pulling in the OTT. Unfortunately at a expense of two light-green tubs.

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x = 107, y = 93, rule = LifeSuper
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.S3.S4.S6.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$23.M16.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q
$19.M4.4M11.3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$21.M.M14.2S5.S3.3S.S.S2.S.2S3.3M
3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$21.2M5.M9.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.
M.7Q$20.2M3.M.2M11.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$19.M3.M4.M.M7.2S.
S.2S.S.S.S.S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$21.M2.M13.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q$25.M.
2M$25.4M!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by AlbertArmStain » September 16th, 2023, 9:51 am

b3s23love wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Would someone like to check this assembly works (especially that it self-destructs properly)? EDIT 1: Fixed a crab that wasn’t self-destructing properly.I don’t think it could be compactified, though. Also, could someone color-code this like the original tetrational diehard?
Does it fit in the 100x100 bounding box though?

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by b3s23love » September 16th, 2023, 9:53 am

AlbertArmStain wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 9:51 am
b3s23love wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Would someone like to check this assembly works (especially that it self-destructs properly)? EDIT 1: Fixed a crab that wasn’t self-destructing properly.I don’t think it could be compactified, though. Also, could someone color-code this like the original tetrational diehard?
Does it fit in the 100x100 bounding box though?
No, but I asked if someone could compactify it. E.g. use the reductions that are in previous diehards and LLS the parts that are new.

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 16th, 2023, 10:48 am

EvinZL wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 10:07 pm
If this could be tucked in by two columns, the result would be 121^^(121^(121^(121^(121^(135361 * 121^497 / 15)))))

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x = 111, y = 91
Unfortunately, I need to sleep right now.
oops, this doesn't quite work

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$42bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o$21b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bob
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2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b2o
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13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
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$2bo2bob2o2bob2obo10bobo3b2o24bo5bo$bobobo3b2o2b2o3b2o2bo5bo3bobo21bo
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3obo3b3o2b3o5bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo$2o4bob2o2bobo10bobo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o
4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$2bobo4bobo3bo2bo7bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o
17bo$3obo7bo16bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$2b3obo3bo17bobo16b2obo
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2o$bo6bo5bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$2ob2obo4b2obo2bo4bobo9b
3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o$7b2o3bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b
2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$o2b3o7b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$b2obo2bo
6bobobo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b
2obo$15bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bo
bob2o$17bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$23bo12bo9b
2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o10bo31b2o2bobo$25bo6b
obo12b3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2b
o2bobobobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b2ob3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2o
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3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$
31b2o7b2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!
however, this does

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$42bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o$21b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bob
o5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$29b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$30bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b
2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b2o
37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$27bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o
13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
4bobo12b2o11b4o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17b
o5bo6bo18bo4bo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$22bo14bo6bobo
10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12b
o3b2o$41bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo$40bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2b
obo$30bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo$16bo12bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o4bo$
16b3o11b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$bobobo4bo8bo21bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8bo$2ob
o2b2o2bob2o4b2o20bobo16bo5bo24bo$7o2bo3b3o12bo12b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o
$b2o3bo5b2obo11bobo3b2o24bo5bo$5bo2b3o7bobobo5bo3bobo21bo5bo$o3b3o4b3o
b3o2bo4bo6bo22bobo3bobo7bo$2o4b2o4bo2b4o5bobo4b2o17bo5bo5bo7bobo$2b2o
3bob2o8bobo3bo24b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$2b2o5b2ob3ob2obobo22bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo
$3bo2bobo3bo5bob2o21bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$b2o2bo5b2o2bobo3b2o20b2o11bo17bo
14b2o6bo$bo5b2o4bobo3b4o8bo15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$o4b2obo2b2ob2o2b3o
9bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo$2obob3o4b2o15bobo43bobo4b3o$o4bobobob2o2bobobo
8bobo45bo7bo7b2o$2o4bo5b2o2bobobo8bo16bo45b2o9bo2bobo$ob2o3bo2b3o2b2o
9bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo$3obo2b3obob3o2bobo4bobo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o4bo16b2o
8b2o14bo$6b2obobo2b2obobo6bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$2obo
2bobobo18bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$3bo3b2o19bobo16b2obo12bo4bo
12bobo20b2o2bo$ob3o4bo5bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob2o$obo2b
o2bo5bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$ob2o2bo4b2obo2bo4bobo9b3o6b
2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o$3bo8bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o3b2o
2b2o13b2o23bo$2o2bobobo4b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$3bobo8bobo
bo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$
15bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o
$17bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$23bo12bo9b2o3b3o
5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o10bo31b2o2bobo$25bo6bobo12b
3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2bo2bobo
bobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b2ob3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2obo4b2o
2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o$25b2obobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2ob
o17b2o8bobobo5bo$26bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bobo5bo34b2o$27b2obo3bo5b2o5bo
3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o$28b3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b
2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$31b2o7b
2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by calcyman » September 16th, 2023, 12:57 pm

EvinZL wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 10:48 am
however, this does
I'm not entirely convinced -- if you compare your version (left) to Tim Coe's version (right), the crabstretcher and fuse both start out translated southwest by (2,2), which means that it takes 8 extra generations for a glider to ignite the fuse. But the crab requires the approaching fuse to be in the correct phase modulo 24 generations, so it causes an explosion upon impacting the crab:

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x = 309, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo115b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b
2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo116bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b2o
4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo138b2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o135b
o4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo134bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b2o3b
ob2obo2bo25b2o22bo136b2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o184b2o6b3o3b
2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo141b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o46b2o6b3o4b
2o126b2o6b3o46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o126b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$
42bobo8bo38b2o148bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o188bo8b3o$21b2o17bo5bo4b2o7b2o
35b2o7b3o112b2o17bo5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo
30b2o6bobo113b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bobo5bo2bobo
13bobo37bo123b2o7bobo5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$29b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o
120b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$30bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b2o20bo2bo19b2obo
121bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9b
o6bobobo126bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bobo3b2o19b
o13b2o9b2o126bobo13bo3bobo3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o
8bo126bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o128bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo115b2o3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$
19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18bo117b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o
21b2o18bo$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o118b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo
21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo130bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b
2o37b2o11bo147b2o37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o131b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$27bob
o23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o122bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o13bo2bo131b
2o24bo23b2o13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo146bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo
8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo145bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o28b2o4b2o6bo
bo134b2o11b2o4b2o28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o129bo5b
o5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo13bo9b2o126b3o5bobo10b
2o23bobo13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo110bo8bobo11bobo
11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo4bobo12b2o11b4o118bobo12b
o10bobo14bobo4bobo12b2o11b4o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o121bobo
22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17bo5bo6bo18bo4bo114b2o4b
obo5bo14b2o17bo5bo6bo18bo4bo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o
116bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$22bo14bo6bobo10bobo7bobo3bobo
5bo7b2o13b3obo113bo14bo6bobo10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$23b2o19b2o
3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12bo3b2o114b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b
2o12bo3b2o$41bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo133bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo
$40bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2bobo131bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17b
o2bobo$30bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo123bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo
$16bo12bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o4bo130bo12bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o4bo$16b3o
11b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo125b3o11b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$bobobo
4bo8bo21bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8bo128bo6bo14bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8bo$2obo2b2o2bob2o
4b2o20bobo16bo5bo24bo127b2o6b2o12bobo16bo5bo24bo$7o2bo3b3o12bo12b2o15b
obo3bobo9b2o3b2o143b2o13b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o$b2o3bo5b2obo11bobo3b2o
24bo5bo161bo5b2o24bo5bo$5bo2b3o7bobobo5bo3bobo21bo5bo141bo17bo9bobo21b
o5bo$o3b3o4b3ob3o2bo4bo6bo22bobo3bobo7bo132bobo15b2o8bo22bobo3bobo7bo$
2o4b2o4bo2b4o5bobo4b2o17bo5bo5bo7bobo131b2o6b2o2b2o4b2o7b2o17bo5bo5bo
7bobo$2b2o3bob2o8bobo3bo24b3o6bo11b2o23b2o114bobo2bo5bo26b3o6bo11b2o
23b2o$2b2o5b2ob3ob2obobo22bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo115bobo27bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo$
3bo2bobo3bo5bob2o21bobo6b2o5bo36bobo105b2o7bo2b2o25bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$b
2o2bo5b2o2bobo3b2o20b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo106b2o2bo4b2o2bo25b2o11bo17bo
14b2o6bo$bo5b2o4bobo3b4o8bo15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o111bo4bobo5b2o14bo
15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$o4b2obo2b2ob2o2b3o9bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo118b
2o5bo5b2o15bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo$2obob3o4b2o15bobo43bobo4b3o116b2o5b2o
2bobo14bobo43bobo4b3o$o4bobobob2o2bobobo8bobo45bo7bo7b2o115bo2bo15bobo
45bo7bo7b2o$2o4bo5b2o2bobobo8bo16bo45b2o9bo2bobo96bo23bo16bo45b2o9bo2b
obo$ob2o3bo2b3o2b2o9bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo94b2o5bo15bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobo
bo$3obo2b3obob3o2bobo4bobo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14bo98b2o5b2o12b
obo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$6b2obobo2b2obobo6bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bob
o3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo100bo16bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$2ob
o2bobobo18bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo100b2o20bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b
2o11bo24bo$3bo3b2o19bobo16b2obo12bo4bo12bobo20b2o2bo99b2o18bobo16b2obo
12bo4bo12bobo20b2o2bo$ob3o4bo5bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob
2o106bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob2o$obo2bo2bo5bo2bo4b2o9bo
19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo105bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$ob2o
2bo4b2obo2bo4bobo9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o102b2obo2bo4bo
bo9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o$3bo8bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o
3b2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo107bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$
2o2bobobo4b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo10bo18b2o22b3o2bo104b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo10bo
18b2o22b3o2bo$3bobo8bobobo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo105bob
obo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo
151b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$15bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo147bo
7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o144b
4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o$17bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob
2o24bobobobo2bo110bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$
23bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o116bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b
2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o10bo31b2o2bobo115bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o10bo
31b2o2bobo$25bo6bobo12b3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo116bo6bobo12b3o10bobo34bo2b
obo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o3bo35b3o2b3o2bo116bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o3bo
35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2bo2bobobobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo132bo2bo2bobobobobo2b2ob
2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b2ob3o36b4o4b2o117bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b2ob
3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2obo4b2o2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o117bob2ob
o4b2o2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o$25b2obobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo
5b2obo17b2o8bobobo5bo116b2obobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2obo17b2o8bobobo5b
o$26bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bobo5bo34b2o122bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bobo5bo34b
2o$27b2obo3bo5b2o5bo3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o119b2obo3bo
5b2o5bo3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o$28b3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bob
o3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o119b3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o
5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo123bo11b2obo7bo3bobo
3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$31b2o7b2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o134b2o7b
2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o135bo7b3o
4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!
I believe that this means that Tim Coe's diehard is still the record-holder at this point.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by toroidalet » September 16th, 2023, 2:17 pm

b3s23love wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 5:42 am
I got it to work by replacing the problematic tub with a toad and pulling in the OTT. Unfortunately at a expense of two light-green tubs.
Can you tell me why the lime-green tubs had to go? This pattern seems to work fine (there are other improvements):

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x = 107, y = 93, rule = LifeSuper
16.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$17.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
39.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$40.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$40.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
41.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$46.2Q6.3M3.2M$35.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$26.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$26.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$40.pA.pA8.M38.2M$41.pA8.3M$
19.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$19.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$27.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$27.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$28.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$33.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$32.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
31.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$30.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$17.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$17.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
18.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$19.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
33.2O37.2M11.M$19.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$25.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$25.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$40.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$38.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
17.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$18.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$15.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$15.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$25.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$26.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$21.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$23.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$20.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$21.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$39.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$38.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$28.W10.pA
10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$14.O12.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$14.3O11.2W
13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$17.O6.W14.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$16.2O6.2W12.A.A
16.S5.S24.Q$24.2W13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$W.W.W4.2W14.W5.2U24.S5.S$W.
W2.2W.W11.W9.U.U21.S5.S$5.W.2W6.2W3.2W8.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$4W6.W.2W2.W3.
2W7.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$W7.W2.W.W.W5.W12.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$W6.3W3.W.
2W16.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$.W.3W5.W2.W19.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$.W3.2W2.
W2.3W8.2U16.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$2W4.2W2.W2.W2.W5.U.U4.U5.U9.2S6.S.S
15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$W.W.2W4.4W2.W5.2U4.U.U3.U.U8.2S7.S17.pA.pA4.M$2W2.4W
2.W2.W.W11.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$W.W4.2W7.W2.2U5.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$3W5.6W
4.U.U6.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$.W2.2W3.W2.2W.W3.U4.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.Q.Q$W.
W4.W2.W4.W2.U4.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$3.2W.3W2.W2.W9.U5.
U5.2O3.3S9.S.S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.2W.2W2.2W.W7.U5.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S
2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$.2W3.W2.W.2W7.U.U3.U.U32.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.2W15.U
5.U3.2U15.2S17.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$24.U6.U15.S2.S12.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$10.M12.U
.U6.3U6.2S5.S.S11.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$18.2U4.U9.U5.S8.S7.2S3.2Q13.2S23.Q$
7.2M.3M5.U.U10.U.U9.S13.2S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$7.2M2.M2.M4.U.U9.2U4.pA3.2S
58.2Q.Q.Q$7.M6.M5.2U7.2U5.pA.pA$7.2M2.M2.M.M10.U2.U6.pA11.3S13.M$9.M
4.M12.2U5.pA24.2M3.M.M.2M$10.M2.M.M17.pA.pA4.pA14.S3.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.
M.M.M2.M$12.M21.pA4.pA.pA12.S.S7.6M27.M.2M2.2M$9.M.3M3.M20.pA.pA8.2S
4.S12.M31.2M2.M.M$11.M5.M7.pA5.pA5.pA.pA8.S.S44.M2.M.M5.M$10.M3.M2.2M
5.pA.pA3.pA.pA3.pA.pA10.S46.3M2.3M2.M$19.M5.pA5.pA3.pA.pA7.2S8.2S41.
3M4.Q$19.3M14.pA7.4S.S5.2S40.4M4.2Q$25.M16.S4.2S17.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$
23.M9.2pA6.S6.S.S14.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$19.M4.4M5.2pA6.3S5.2S14.M34.
2Q$21.M.M25.2S14.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$21.2M5.M16.S11.S9.M.5M9.2M5.
2M6.M.7Q$20.2M3.M.2M15.S7.S2.2S12.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$19.M3.M4.M.M13.3S4.
2S3.2S12.3M20.2Q$21.M2.M24.S20.3M20.2Q$25.M.2M19.S$25.4M19.3S!
I must say: I never would have expected the old block-destroyer toad to appear in a record diehard again.
calcyman wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 12:57 pm
I'm not entirely convinced -- if you compare your version (left) to Tim Coe's version (right), the crabstretcher and fuse both start out translated southwest by (2,2), which means that it takes 8 extra generations for a glider to ignite the fuse. But the crab requires the approaching fuse to be in the correct phase modulo 24 generations, so it causes an explosion upon impacting the crab:
No, EvinZL's does not work. Mine and b3s23love's do, though (I checked).
Apologies to Tim Coe: I didn't see your latest diehard and thought EvinZL had come up with the shillelagh-snake monstrosity.

Interestingly, the length of the fuse at the start does not matter; it will make the same amount of loaves in the end (the easiest way to see this is to note that the distance between the crabstretcher and the fuse-triggering glider is constant). So we would want the fuse to be as long as possible to make all the loaves as close as possible.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 16th, 2023, 3:25 pm

For a rather small improvement, replacing a toad with a barge with tail absorbs an extra glider pair from the second sawtooth

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$42bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o$21b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bob
o5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$29b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$30bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b
2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b2o
37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$27bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o
13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
4bobo12b2o11b4o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17b
o5bo6bo18bo4bo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$22bo14bo6bobo
10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12b
o3b2o$41bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo$40bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2b
obo$23b2o5bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo$16bo7bo4bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o
4bo$16b3o5bobo3b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$19bo5bobo13bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8b
o$18b2o6bobo11bobo16bo5bo24bo$27bo13b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o$33b2o24bo5b
o$4bo17bo9bobo21bo5bo$4bobo15b2o8bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4b2o6b2o2b2o4b2o7b2o
17bo5bo5bo7bobo$12bobo2bo5bo26b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$14bobo27bo8bo4bobo34bo
2bo$4b2o7bo2b2o25bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$4b2o2bo4b2o2bo25b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo
$2bo4bobo5b2o14bo15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$2o5bo5b2o15bobo14b2o7bo17bob
o4bo$b2o5b2o2bobo14bobo43bobo4b3o$9bo2bo15bobo45bo7bo7b2o$5bo23bo16bo
45b2o9bo2bobo$3b2o5bo15bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo$4b2o5b2o12bobo3bobo4b2o6b
o9b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$9bo16bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$7b2o
20bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$8b2o18bobo16b2obo12bo4bo12bobo20b2o
2bo$15bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob2o$14bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o
2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$11b2obo2bo4bobo9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob
2o$12bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$13b5o6b2o7bobo9b3ob
o10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$14bobobo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b
5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$15bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b
2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o$17bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24b
obobobo2bo$23bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o
10bo31b2o2bobo$25bo6bobo12b3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o
3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2bo2bobobobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b
2ob3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2obo4b2o2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o$25b2o
bobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2obo17b2o8bobobo5bo$26bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bob
o5bo34b2o$27b2obo3bo5b2o5bo3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o$28b
3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b
2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$31b2o7b2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b
8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by calcyman » September 16th, 2023, 3:35 pm

toroidalet wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 2:17 pm
No, EvinZL's does not work. Mine and b3s23love's do, though (I checked).
Right, but they have the same height of the second tower, don't they?

In terms of improving the height of the second tower, we can use a fuse to extract a one-time signal into the currently unused northwest corner, and then we can do arbitrary delaying tactics in that nice swathe of empty space to get the ignition to happen in the correct phase:

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x = 102, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
42b2o$42bobo$12b2o29bo$11bo2bo33bo$12b2o33bobo$47bo2bo25b2o15bo$48b2o
26b2o8b2o5bo$32b2o51bo2bo4bo$33bo52b2o8b2o$33bobo8b2o50bobo$34b2o8b2o
23bo27bo$41b2o6bo3b2o13bo3b6o$28b3o9b3o5bo3bobo14b2o3bo2bo8bo$19b2o6b
3o11b2o6b5o22b2o6b3o4b2o$19b2o23b2o4b3o16bo6bo6bo7b2o$44b2o24bo4bo7b2o
2$12b2o74b2o$12b2o6bo9b3o24bo30b2o$20b2o10bo23bobo$20b2o9bo25b2o5bo26b
2o$21bo29b2o11bobo23bobo7bo$13bo36bo2bo10b2o32b3o$12bobo36b2o38bo5bo$
11bo3bo73bo2bo4b2o$12b3o75b4o$10b2o3b2o14b2o5b2o52b2o$31b2o5bo51bo$36b
obo50b2o$36b2o27b2o22bo2bo$26b2o37b2o23b3o$26b2o63bo$44b2o22b2o$44bo
23b2o4bobo$35b2o5bobo29b2o$34bo3bo3b2o31bo$2o8b2o11b2o8bo5bo25b2o$obo
8bo11b2o8bo3bob2o24b2o13b2o$3bo4b3o22bo5bo40b2o$4bo3bo25bo3bo22bobo$5b
o29b2o25b2o19b2o$6bo55bo20b2o14bo$7bo6b2o59bo22bobo$8bo7bo56b3o22bo2bo
$9bo3bo58bo7b2o17b2o$10bo3b2o56b2o6b2o$11bo84bo$12bo31bo31bo18bobo$13b
o7bo21bobo30bo19b2o$7bo6bobo3bobo21bo31bo$7b3o5b2o4b2o11bo46bo$10bo17b
o5bobo44bo$9b2o15b2o6b2o45bo$27b2o40b3o$68bo3bo$58b2o7bo5bo$58bobo6bo
5bo$58bo11bo$68bo3bo14b2o$24b2o9bo33b3o14bo2bo$24b2o8bobo33bo16bobo$
34b2o44b2o6bo$72b2o6b2o$44bobo25bo$44b2o27b3o$45bo29bo7b2o$83b2o11bo$
29bo65bobo$29b2o49b2o14b2o$29b2o49b2o$30bo$100bo$62bo36bobo$56bo4b2o
37b2o$55bobo3bobo$55b2o22b2obo$79b5o$80b4o2$80b3o$52b2o5b2o19b3o$52b2o
5b2o20bo$97b2o$56b2o39bo$56b2o40b3o$91b2o7bo$91b2o2$79b2o7b2o8bo$67b2o
bo8b2o7b2o7bobo$64bobo3bo27b2o$64bo11b2o5b2o$64bobo9b2o5b2o6b2o$68bobo
20b2o$86b2o$86b2o2$73b2o$73bobo$75bo$75b2o!
We might be able to remove (or at least restyle) the still-life motif that's currently tied to the boat being crabstretched. Since the ignition will now come from the north, rather than the east, this should leave room for one or two more bait objects to extend the second tower.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by b3s23love » September 16th, 2023, 5:14 pm

calcyman wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 3:35 pm
We might be able to remove (or at least restyle) the still-life motif that's currently tied to the boat being crabstretched. Since the ignition will now come from the north, rather than the east, this should leave room for one or two more bait objects to extend the second tower.
I'm currently looking for such improvements. For now, I reduced the still life by 2 cells:

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$42bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o$21b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bob
o5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$29b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$30bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b
2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b2o
37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$27bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o
13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
4bobo12b2o11b4o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17b
o5bo6bo18bo4bo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$22bo14bo6bobo
10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12b
o3b2o$41bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo$40bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2b
obo$23b2o5bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo$16bo7bo4bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o
4bo$16b3o5bobo3b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$19bo5bobo13bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8b
o$18b2o6bobo11bobo16bo5bo24bo$27bo13b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o$33b2o24bo5b
o$4bo17bo9bobo21bo5bo$4bobo15b2o8bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4b2o10b2o4b2o7b2o17b
o5bo5bo7bobo$13b2o2bo5bo26b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$14bobo27bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo$
4b2o7bo2b2o25bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$4b2o2bo4b2o2bo25b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo$2bo
4bobo5b2o14bo15b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$2o5bo5b2o15bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo
$b2o5b2o2bobo14bobo43bobo4b3o$9bo2bo15bobo45bo7bo7b2o$5bo23bo16bo45b2o
9bo2bobo$3b2o5bo15bo5bo5bo6bobo56bobobo$4b2o5b2o12bobo3bobo4b2o6bo9b2o
4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$9bo16bo5bo5b2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$7b2o20bo
9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$8b2o18bobo16b2obo12bo4bo12bobo20b2o2bo$
15bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o10b2o19b3ob2o$14bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o2bo
4bo6bo30b2o3bo$11b2obo2bo4bobo9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o$
12bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$13b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo
10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$14bobobo14b2o4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b5o
12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$15bo7bo5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b2o
5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o$17bo3b2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24bob
obobo2bo$23bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b6o27bob2o2b2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o
10bo31b2o2bobo$25bo6bobo12b3o10bobo34bo2bobo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o
3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2bo2bobobobobo2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b
2ob3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2obo4b2o2b3o4bob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o$25b2o
bobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2obo17b2o8bobobo5bo$26bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bob
o5bo34b2o$27b2obo3bo5b2o5bo3b3obobo2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o$28b
3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b2o5bob5o9b2o5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b
2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$31b2o7b2obob2obobobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b
8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!
EDIT: I meant that I’m looking for reductions to the still life. I don’t think it’s possible, though.
calcyman wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 3:35 pm
In terms of improving the height of the second tower, we can use a fuse to extract a one-time signal into the currently unused northwest corner, and then we can do arbitrary delaying tactics in that nice swathe of empty space to get the ignition to happen in the correct phase:

[RLE]

We might be able to remove (or at least restyle) the still-life motif that's currently tied to the boat being crabstretched. Since the ignition will now come from the north, rather than the east, this should leave room for one or two more bait objects to extend the second tower.
Would you like to explain more how this would work? I have no idea how we could restyle that SL and fit a signal there.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 16th, 2023, 9:18 pm

The empty space is bothering me, so have a few more small improvements

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
18b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$19bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$41b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$42bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$42bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$43b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$48b2o6b3o3b2o$37b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$28b2o13bo9b3o36bo7b2o$42bobo8bo38b2o$43bo8b3o$21b2o17bo
5bo4b2o7b2o35b2o7b3o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo4b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$29b2o7bob
o5bo2bobo13bobo37bo$29b2o6bobo3bo22b2o35bobob2o$30bo5bobo3bobo6bo2bo5b
2o20bo2bo19b2obo$35bobo5bo6bo2bobo3bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$34bobo13bo3bob
o3b2o19bo13b2o9b2o$33bobo19bobo24b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$32bobo21bo45b2o$19b2o
3b2o5bobo6b2o5b2o4bo28b2o17bobo$19b2o3b2o4bobo7b2o5bo4bobo3b2o21b2o18b
o$20b5o6bo13bobo5bo4bobo21b2o4b2o10b2o$21bobo21b2o12b2o13b2o14bo$35b2o
37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$27bobo23b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o
13bo2bo$42bo8bobo13b2o23bo2bo$40bobo8b2o14bobo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o4b2o
28b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o4b2o24bo9b2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo10b2o23bobo
13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo11bobo11b2o8bo6bo6bobo23bobo$27bobo12bo10bobo14bobo
4bobo12b2o11b4o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bob2o$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17b
o5bo6bo18bo4bo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b3o18b3ob2o$22bo14bo6bobo
10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o13b3obo$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o12b
o3b2o$41bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bobo$40bobo5b2o3bo10bobo3bobo12bo17bo2b
obo$23b2o5bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo13bo18bobo$16bo7bo4bobo13b2o6bo8bo5bo9b3o
4bo$16b3o5bobo3b2o13b2o14bobo3bobo8b3o9bo$19bo5bobo13bo20bo5bo8bo3bo8b
o$18b2o6bobo11bobo16bo5bo24bo$27bo13b2o15bobo3bobo9b2o3b2o$33b2o24bo5b
o$4bo17bo9bobo21bo5bo$4bobo15b2o8bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4b2o10b2o4b2o7b2o4b
2o11bo5bo5bo7bobo$13b2o2bo5bo12bobo11b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$14bobo19b2o6bo8b
o4bobo34bo2bo$4b2o7bo2b2o25bobo6b2o5bo36bobo$4b2o2bo4b2o2bo25b2o11bo
17bo14b2o6bo$2bo4bobo5b2o14bo5bo9b2o6bobo15bobo5b2o6b2o$2o5bo5b2o10bo
4bobo3bobo8b2o7bo17bobo4bo$b2o5b2o2bobo5b2o2bobo2bobo5bo37bobo4b3o$9bo
2bo7b2o3bo2bobo45bo7bo7b2o$5bo23bo16bo45b2o9bo2bobo$3b2o5bo9b4o8bo5bo
6bobo56bobobo$4b2o5b2o7bo2bo7bobo4b2o6bo9b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14bo$9bo22bo5b
2o3b3o9bobo3bo2bo14bobo7b2o17bo$7b2o20bo9bo3bo11b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo24bo$
8b2o18bobo16b2obo12bo4bo12bobo20b2o2bo$15bo13bo3b2o13b3o2b3obo2bo8b3o
10b2o19b3ob2o$14bo2bo4b2o9bo19bo2b2o2bo4bo6bo30b2o3bo$11b2obo2bo4bobo
9b3o6b2o4bob2obobo2b3o2bobo4b2o31b2ob2o$12bo5bo4bobo10bo5bo3b2ob3o3b2o
3b2o2b2o13b2o23bo$13b5o6b2o7bobo9b3obo10bo18b2o22b3o2bo$14bobobo14b2o
4bo3b2ob3o2bo2b2obo2bobo40b2obobo$14b5o12b2o5bobo5b2o5bo5b2obo$15bo7bo
5bo2bo6bo6bob2ob2o2b2o4bo5bo$16b4o9b2o5bo10bob2o6b2o2bo4bobob2o$17bo3b
2o12bobo11bo2bo2bo3bob2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$23bo12bo9b2o3b3o5b2o5b
6o27bob2o2b2o$24bo2bo5bo12b2ob5obob3o10bo31b2o2bobo$25bo6bobo12b3o10bo
bo34bo2bobo5bo$25bo7bo12bo4bo2bo2b2o3bo35b3o2b3o2bo$40bo2bo2bobobobobo
2b2ob2o38b3o4bo$26bo9b2o6bo4bobobo3b2ob3o36b4o4b2o$26bob2obo4b2o2b3o4b
ob2obo3bo4bo6bo19b2o7b5o3bob2o$25b2obobob2o8bo2bobobo5bo5bo5b2obo17b2o
8bobobo5bo$26bob3o10b3obo4b3ob2o3bobo5bo34b2o$27b2obo3bo5b2o5bo3b3obob
o2bob2o3b3o3b2o10b2o5b2o7bobob3o$28b3ob2o6b2o2b2o2bo2bobo3bo4b2o5bob5o
9b2o5b2o6bob7o$30bo11b2obo7bo3bobo3b2o6bo3bo24b2ob2obo$31b2o7b2obob2ob
obobobob2o2bob3o7b3o20b2o$32bo7b3o4b8o5bob2o8b3o20b2o!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by AlbertArmStain » September 17th, 2023, 9:05 am

b3s23love wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 9:53 am
No, but I asked if someone could compactify it. E.g. use the reductions that are in previous diehards and LLS the parts that are new.
Can someone actually compact it?

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by toroidalet » September 17th, 2023, 4:37 pm

I managed to fit the long hook with tail in:

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = LifeSuper
18.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$19.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
41.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$42.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$42.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
43.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$48.2Q6.3M3.2M$37.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$28.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$28.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$42.pA.pA8.M38.2M$43.pA8.3M$
21.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$21.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$29.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$29.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$30.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$35.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$34.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
33.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$32.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$19.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$19.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
20.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$21.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
35.2O37.2M11.M$21.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$27.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$27.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$42.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$40.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
11.W7.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$10.W9.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M
$10.3W4.3M5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$17.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S
6.S.S23.Q.Q$27.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$28.pA.pA22.pA
16.S.S3.S.S13.2M9.Q.2Q$23.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$25.O4.
pA5.pA.pA6.2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$2.W19.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S
3.S.S5.M7.2M13.3Q.Q$.2W13.3O4.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q
3.2Q$.2W15.O.O20.pA6.pA.pA5.2S2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$.W18.O19.pA.pA5.2pA3.O
10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$17.2O.O.O7.W10.pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$9.W
.W5.O.2O8.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$9.W.2W.W2.O.O.O8.2W13.2pA14.S.S3.
S.S8.3M9.Q$11.2W.W3.2O21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$12.W6.O20.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$
28.W12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$2.W3.W.2W4.W.W10.W.W3.2U24.S5.S$3.W3.3W
4.W3.W.2W6.W3.U.U21.S5.S$3W3.3W6.W2.W6.W6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$3.W.W.W3.2W
.2W.W.2W3.W.W4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$W2.W.3W.3W2.2W.W2.2W3.W10.U13.3S6.S
11.2S23.2Q$W.2W.2W3.2W8.2W13.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$.2W.2W.W4.2W.2W3.W
15.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$2.W.2W2.W2.4W2.W3.W21.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$W5.W
2.W2.W3.4W11.U5.U9.2S6.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$.W6.2W5.W2.W11.U.U3.U.U8.
2S7.S17.pA.pA4.M$2W.W.W2.W4.W.2W3.2W7.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$W5.2W3.2W2.
2W2.3W6.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$2W.W.W3.W5.W2.W.W8.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$W.W3.2W
.W2.W.W2.2W2.W4.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.Q.Q$3W.2W5.W5.2W6.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.
2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$2.W4.W4.2W12.U5.U5.2O3.3S9.S.S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q
$2.W2.W.4W3.3W2.3W7.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$W4.W3.3W.2W2.W.W8.
U.U16.2S.S12.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$6W2.W.3W.2W7.2U4.U3.2U13.3S2.3S.S2.S
8.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$2M2.W10.M.2M.M2.U.U7.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$.M
5.2W2.W3.5M4.U.U7.3U6.2S4.S.2S.S.S2.3S2.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$.M.W3.M2.M7.M
2.M3.2U9.U5.S3.2S.3S3.2S3.2S2.2Q13.2S23.Q$.2M.2W2M.M.M3.2M3.M12.U.U9.
3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$4.3M.M2.M2.2M.M.3M11.2U4.pA3.2S.3S2.S2.2S.S2.S.
S40.2Q.Q.Q$3M2.M2.M2.2M.M3.M.M10.2U5.pA.pA5.2S5.S5.2S.S$2.M2.M2.2M2.M
2.M2.M2.M7.U2.U6.pA6.S.2S.2S2.2S4.S5.M$M.M2.M2.M.2M.M3.2M10.2U5.pA10.
S.2S6.2S2.M4.M.M.2M$5.M.M2.M2.M.M5.M13.pA.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2M
24.M.M.M.M2.M$7.M3.M3.2M4.M14.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.6M27.M.2M2.2M$5.M2.M3.M
2.M.M3.2M10.pA12.2S.5S.S.3S10.M31.2M2.M.M$23.M8.pA.pA12.3S10.S.S34.M
2.M.M5.M$23.3M7.pA12.S4.S2.S2.2S3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$29.M10.S2.S2.S.S.S.S.
S2.2S.2S38.3M4.Q$27.M8.2pA6.S4.S.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$23.M4.4M4.2pA2.
3S4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$25.M.M14.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M
8.M.M.Q5.Q$25.2M5.M8.3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$24.2M3.M.2M7.2S5.S3.3S.
S.S2.S.2S3.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$23.M3.M4.M.M5.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.
2S5.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$25.M2.M13.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$29.
M.2M7.2S.S.2S.S.S.S.S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$29.4M7.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q!
Amazingly, it only took LLS 6 minutes to find this one.
calcyman wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 3:35 pm
Right, but they have the same height of the second tower, don't they?
If you mean the second loaf tower, I'm pretty sure mine is longer (if you ignore the barge with tail, but it can be easily added). However, that doesn't really matter anymore.
b3s23love wrote:
September 16th, 2023, 5:14 pm
Would you like to explain more how this would work? I have no idea how we could restyle that SL and fit a signal there.
The idea, as I understand it, is to have a fuse triggered by the last boat (or a replacement object) that sends a signal into the empty northwest corner and bounces it around to get the correct timing before smashing into the activation from the other side:

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x = 109, y = 91, rule = LifeSuper
18.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$19.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
41.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$42.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$42.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
43.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$48.2Q6.3M3.2M$37.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$28.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$28.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$42.pA.pA8.M38.2M$43.pA8.3M$
21.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$21.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$29.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$29.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$30.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$35.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$34.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
33.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$32.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$19.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$19.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
20.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$21.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
35.2O37.2M11.M$21.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$27.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$27.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$42.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$40.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
19.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$20.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$17.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$10.3V4.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S
23.Q.Q$10.V16.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$11.V16.pA.pA22.pA
16.S.S3.S.S13.2M9.Q.2Q$23.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$14.2W
9.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$14.W.W5.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.
S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.3Q.Q$6.V10.W5.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.
2M12.Q3.2Q$5.V12.W22.pA6.pA.pA5.2S2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$5.3V11.W20.pA.pA5.
2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$20.W9.W10.pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$
16.O4.W7.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$16.3O3.W7.2W13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M
9.Q$19.O3.W.W15.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$6.V11.2O4.2W14.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$7.V
20.W12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$5.3V19.W.W3.2U24.S5.S$28.W3.U.U21.S5.S$
25.W6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$12.2W2.2W6.W.W4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$12.W.W2.W7.W
10.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$14.W.W18.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$4.2W7.W2.2W18.U
6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$4.2W2.W4.2W2.W25.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$2.W4.W.W5.2W
14.U5.U9.2S6.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$2W5.W5.2W15.U.U3.U.U8.2S7.S17.pA.pA
4.M$.2W5.2W2.W.W7.2U5.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$9.W2.W8.U.U4.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M
$5.W15.2U6.U16.S45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$3.2W5.W15.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.Q.Q$4.2W5.2W
5.2U5.U.U3.U.U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$9.W7.U.U6.U5.U5.2O3.3S9.S.S
3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$7.2W8.2U10.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$8.2W
18.U.U16.2S.S12.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$14.M14.U3.2U13.3S2.3S.S2.S8.3S10.
2S19.3Q.2Q$22.2U9.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$11.2M.3M5.U.U9.3U6.2S4.S
.2S.S.S2.3S2.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$11.2M2.M2.M4.U.U10.U5.S3.2S.3S3.2S3.2S2.
2Q13.2S23.Q$11.M6.M5.2U7.U.U9.3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$11.2M2.M2.M.M12.
2U4.pA3.2S.3S2.S2.2S.S2.S.S40.2Q.Q.Q$13.M4.M12.2U5.pA.pA5.2S5.S5.2S.S
$14.M2.M.M9.U2.U6.pA6.S.2S.2S2.2S4.S5.M$16.M12.2U5.pA10.S.2S6.2S2.M4.
M.M.2M$13.M.3M3.M13.pA.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$15.M
5.M14.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.6M27.M.2M2.2M$14.M3.M2.2M10.pA12.2S.5S.S.3S10.M
31.2M2.M.M$23.M8.pA.pA12.3S10.S.S34.M2.M.M5.M$23.3M7.pA12.S4.S2.S2.2S
3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$29.M10.S2.S2.S.S.S.S.S2.2S.2S38.3M4.Q$27.M8.2pA6.S4.S
.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$23.M4.4M4.2pA2.3S4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.
2Q$25.M.M14.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$25.2M5.M8.3S.S4.3S.2S
3.S.S5.M34.2Q$24.2M3.M.2M7.2S5.S3.3S.S.S2.S.2S3.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.
3Q$23.M3.M4.M.M5.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$25.M2.M13.
2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$29.M.2M7.2S.S.2S.S.S.S.S.2S2.S.3S7.
3M20.2Q$29.4M7.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q!
I'm not sure if it would get us to 4 block destroyers, but it could let us optimise the timing to add more rows and bring back some of those earlier improvements.
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by moebius » September 18th, 2023, 10:32 am

Hi All,

Dean: This whole effort is a great exercise in resource management. We have limited area and we can spend it on a variety of efforts like single use infrastructure, multi-use infrastructure, in isolation to generate delay, in conjunction with infrastructure to generate multipliers of delay, and destruction of infrastructure. I have not looked into very small (like 16 x 16) diehards at all.

calcyman: sending a signal back to the vast open area is an interesting idea. Other than getting the phase right on the crab light, that vast open space could also be used to put back a block destroyer or two. Lighting the fuse from the side could either be done with a spaceship or a glider. I think the geometry of things might prefer a spaceship.

Observing what is going on here and learning what is important lead me to desire more and better fuse lighters. So I set about finding some. Due to the fact that reworking the timing of the core of Pavgran's design is highly undesirable, the positioning and phase of the crab is fixed for a given lighter modulo multiples of 6 diagonal steps in or out.

The following is the best lighter that I have found. I am posting it in the form that I used to get the phase right and have not filled out the diehard.
The first salvo lights the fuse, and I made the first salvo late enough so that the end of the fuse burn does not blow up the ship:

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x = 108, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
17b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$18bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$40b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$41bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$41bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$42b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$47b2o6b3o3b2o$36b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$27b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$27b2o23b3o36bo7b2o$52bo38b2o$51b3o$20b2o28b2o7b2o35b2o7b
3o$20b2o6bo22b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$28b2o18bobo13bobo37bo$28b2o35b2o35bo
bob2o$29bo20bo8b2o20bo2bo19b2obo$58bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$59b2o19bo13b2o
9b2o$81b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$67b2o32b2o$18b2o3b2o14b2o5b2o19b2o12b2o17bobo$
18b2o3b2o14b2o5bo33b2o18bo$19b5o20bobo34b2o4b2o10b2o$20bobo21b2o27b2o
14bo$34b2o37b2o11bo$20b3o11b2o51b2o$52b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$52bo23b2o13bo2b
o$41bo8bobo38bo2bo$39bobo8b2o41bo$18b2o11b2o4b2o34b2o$19bo11b2o4b2o34b
2o13b2o$16b3o18b2o39b2o8b2o$16bo22bobo36b2o23bobo$41bo49b2o11b4o$91b2o
9bob2o$22b2o59bo18bo4bo$24bo56b3o18b3ob2o$21bo58bo7b2o13b3obo$22b2o56b
2o6b2o12bo3b2o$104bobo$52bo31bo17bo2bobo$29bo21bobo30bo18bobo$15bo12bo
bo21bo24b3o4bo$15b3o11b2o46b3o9bo$18bo57bo3bo8bo$17b2o70bo$10bo64b2o3b
2o$4bo5b3o$4bobo6bo$4b2o6b2o$11bo$12bobo80b2o$4b2o7b2o17b2o9bo50bo2bo$
4b2o2bo23b2o8bobo50bobo$2bo4bobo32b2o44b2o6bo$2o5bo5bo66b2o6b2o$b2o5b
2o2bobo65bo$9bo3bo67b3o$5bo77bo7b2o$3b2o5bo80b2o9bo2bobo$4b2o5b2o24bo
65bobobo$9bo27b2o49b2o14bo$7b2o28b2o49b2o17bo$8b2o28bo66bo$15bo52b2o
33b2o2bo$14bo2bo50bobo31b3ob2o$11b2obo2bo46bo4b2o31b2o3bo$12bo5bo44bob
o37b2ob2o$13b5o45b2o38bo$14bobobo83b3o2bo$14b5o83b2obobo$15bo7bo$16b4o
46bo$17bo3b2o37b2o3bobob2o$23bo36b2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$24bo2bo37b
6o27bob2o2b2o$25bo43bo31b2o2bobo$25bo70bo2bobo5bo$97b3o2b3o2bo$26bo72b
3o4bo$26bob2obo30bo2b2o23bo7b4o4b2o$25b2obobob2o26b3o2b2o2bo16bob5o3b
5o3bob2o$26bob3o32b2o2b3o18b2ob2o4bobobo5bo$27b2obo3bo28b2o2b3o19b2o2b
2o6b2o$28b3ob2o29b2o6bo2bo9b2o2b2obo8bobob3o$30bo33bo6b3o10bo3b2ob6o2b
ob7o$31b2o52bo2bo3b5o2b2ob2obo$32bo!
Here is the second best lighter that I found. The fact that the lighter is spaced 3 diagonal steps from the best lighter is a nice feature. I used the same core structure as previously, only I moved the ship, deleted the first salvo, and added a bunch of tubs to make it a substantial 112 X 89 diehard. It turns out the entire value of the first fuse is slightly less than the inclusion of one more tub on the second fuse. This diehard may actually hold the delay record for several hours :-).

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x = 112, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
21b8o20b12o4b5o2bo15b2o15bo$22bo4bo22bo3b2o8b2obob4obo13b2o8b2o5bo$44b
2o4bo4b2o9b4o27bo2bo4bo$45bo4b2o46b2o8b2o$45bobo8bo3bo24b2o21bobo$46b
2o3bob2obo2bo25b2o22bo$51b2o6b3o3b2o$40b3o8b2o12b2o21b2o8bo$31b2o6b3o
46b2o6b3o4b2o$31b2o23b3o36bo7b2o$56bo38b2o$55b3o$24b2o28b2o7b2o35b2o7b
3o$24b2o6bo22b2o6b2o4bo30b2o6bobo$32b2o18bobo13bobo37bo$32b2o35b2o35bo
bob2o$33bo20bo8b2o20bo2bo19b2obo$62bo2bo21b4o9bo6bobobo$63b2o19bo13b2o
9b2o$85b2o2b2o8b2o8bo$71b2o32b2o$22b2o3b2o14b2o5b2o19b2o12b2o17bobo$
22b2o3b2o14b2o5bo33b2o18bo$23b5o20bobo34b2o4b2o10b2o$24bobo21b2o27b2o
14bo$38b2o37b2o11bo$24b3o11b2o51b2o$56b2o22b2o14bo8b3o$56bo23b2o13bo2b
o$45bo8bobo38bo2bo$43bobo8b2o41bo$22b2o11b2o4b2o34b2o$23bo11b2o4b2o34b
2o13b2o$20b3o18b2o49b2o$20bo22bobo61bobo$45bo49b2o11b4o$95b2o9bob2o$
26b2o59bo18bo4bo$28bo56b3o18b3ob2o$25bo58bo7b2o13b3obo$26b2o56b2o6b2o
12bo3b2o$108bobo$56bo31bo17bo2bobo$33bo21bobo30bo18bobo$19bo12bobo21bo
24b3o4bo$19b3o11b2o46b3o9bo$22bo57bo3bo8bo$21b2o70bo$31bo47b2o3b2o$30b
obo$31bo$28bo$27bobo4b2o$4bo23bo5b2o63b2o$3bo9b2o10bo21bo50bo2bo$3b3o
6bo2bo8bobo19bobo50bobo$12b4o9bo20b2o44b2o6bo$22bo11b2o48b2o6b2o$3bo2b
o5b4o5bobo10b2o48bo$3bo8bo2bo6bo62b3o$4bo82bo7b2o$obo3b2obo3bo81b2o9bo
2bobo$2o5bo2bobobo26bo65bobobo$bo6b2o3bo27b2o49b2o14bo$41b2o49b2o17bo$
3bobo4b2o8bo21bo66bo$3b2o5b2o7bo2bo49b2o33b2o2bo$4bo11b2obo2bo49bobo
31b3ob2o$7bobo7bo5bo44bo4b2o31b2o3bo$7b2o9b5o44bobo37b2ob2o$8bo10bobob
o43b2o38bo$19b5o82b3o2bo$20bo7bo77b2obobo$21b4o$22bo3b2o42bo$28bo35b2o
3bobob2o$29bo2bo31b2o2bob3ob2o24bobobobo2bo$30bo38b6o27bob2o2b2o$30bo
42bo31b2o2bobo$100bo2bobo5bo$31bo69b3o2b3o2bo$31bob2obo66b3o4bo$30b2ob
obob2o27b2ob2o23bo7b4o4b2o$31bob3o30b2ob2o2bo16bob5o3b5o3bob2o$32b2obo
3bo27b2o2b3o18b2ob2o4bobobo5bo$33b3ob2o28b2o2b3o19b2o2b2o6b2o$35bo31b
2o6bo2bo9b2o2b2obo8bobob3o$36b2o30bo6b3o10bo3b2ob6o2bob7o$37bo51bo2bo
3b5o2b2ob2obo!
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by AlbertArmStain » September 18th, 2023, 10:46 am

b3s23love wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm

Would someone like to check this assembly works (especially that it self-destructs properly)? EDIT 1: Fixed a crab that wasn’t self-destructing properly.I don’t think it could be compactified, though. Also, could someone color-code this like the original tetrational diehard?
You can move the crab further in

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x = 111, y = 97, rule = B3/S23
50b4o$21b2o26bob2o2bo$20bo2bo32bo7b2o$21b2o25b2o2bo4bo3b2ob2o$46b5ob2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o19b2o15bo$47bob2ob2o7b2o4b3o15b2o8b2o5bo$41b2o4bo4bo10bo2b
4o24bo2bo4bo$42bo9b2o14bo26b2o8b2o$42bobo37b2o21bobo$43b2o11bo25b2o22b
o$55bo6b2o$37b3o14bo2bo4b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o15bo2bo27b2o6b3o4b2o$28b
2o13bo8b5o35bo7b2o$42bobo7bob3o35b2o$43bo10b3o$21b2o17bo5bo7b2o4b2o35b
2o6b4o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo12b2o4bo30b2o5bo2bo$29b2o7bobo5bo3b2o13bobo36b
2o$29b2o6bobo3bo6b2o14b2o$30bo5bobo3bobo9bo5b2o47bo$35bobo5bo9bobo3bo
2bo21bo22b3o$34bobo17bobo3b2o21bo12bo9bo$33bobo19bobo23bobo10b2o10b2o
$32bobo21bo26bo11b2o5b2o$31bobo6b2o5b2o4bo26bobo18bobo$30bobo7b2o5bo4b
obo3b2o20bo20bo$19b2o3b2o5bo13bobo5bo4bobo19bobo5b2o10b2o$45b2o12b2o13b
2o5b2o7bo$20bo3bo10b2o37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$21b3o3bobo23b2o22b
2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o13bo2bo$40bo10bobo13b2o23bo2bo$38b4o9b2o14bo
bo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o3bobob2o25b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o2bo2bob3o20bo9b
2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo9bobob2o20bobo13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo9b4o12b2o8bo6bo6b
obo$27bobo10bo12bobo14bobo4bobo12b2o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bo4bo
$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17bo5bo6bo17bobo2bobo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b
3o22bo2bo$22bo14bo6bobo10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o17b2o$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo
2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o$30bo10bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bo$29bobo8bobo5b2o3b
o10bobo3bobo6bo5bo18bobo$30bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo6bobo4bo19b2o$16bo28b2o
6bo8bo5bo8bo3bo3bo$16b3o26b2o14bobo3bobo7b5o8bo$19bo21bo20bo5bo7b2o3b
2o7bo$18b2o20bobo16bo5bo11b5o8bo$41b2o15bobo3bobo11b3o$33b2o24bo5bo13b
o$5bo26bobo21bo5bo$3b2o27bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4b2o25b2o17bo5bo5bo7bobo$15b
2ob2ob2o27b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$15b2ob2obobo20bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo$4b2o16bo20b
obo6b2o5bo36bobo$3b4obo34b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo$bo4b2o6b2o15bo15b2o6bobo
15bobo5b2o6b2o$o6bobo3bobo14bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo$3o5b2o2bobo14bobo43b
obo4b3o$8b2o3bo14bobo45bo7bo7b2o$4bo24bo62b2o11bo$3bo7bo14bo5bo5bo65b
obo$3b3o4b2o13bobo3bobo4b2o16b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14b2o$8bo17bo5bo5b2o15bob
o3bo2bo14bobo7b2o$7bo21bo9bo15b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo$7b3o18bobo32bo4bo12bo
bo25bo$29bo3b2o34b3o10b2o24bobo$22b2o9bo31bo6bo36b2o$11bob3o6bobo9b3o
27bobo4b2o$11bob4o6bobo10bo18bo8b2o13b2o$11bo5bo6b2o7bobo18bobo22b2o$
12bobobo2b3o11b2o4bo15b2o$13bobob4o10b2o5bobo$14bo2bob2o8bo2bo6bo4b2o
9b2o14b2o$14bo3b3obo6b2o5bo6bobo9b2o4b2o2b2o4bobo$15b3o2b2obo11bobo5b
2o16b2ob2o5bob2o24b3o$21bo14bo18b2o8bobo4b2o25bo2bo3b2o$22bo2bo7bo6b2o
9b2o2b2o9b2o4bo26bob2o3bo$23bo2bo5bobo4bobo8bobo54b3o$24b2o3bo3bo5b2o
10bo57bo$25b5o17b2o$26b4o6b2o9b2o2bo16bo$26bobo7b2o7bo4bobo13bo3bo17b
2o7b2o8bo$25bob2obo12b2o5bo15bo3bo17b2o7b2o7bobo$25bo3bobo12b2o5b2o17b
2o35b2o$25bo2bo2b2o19bo2bo14b2ob3o9b2o5b2o$26b2obob2o15bo9bo8b9o9b2o5b
2o6b2o$28bo2b2o13b2o5bo4bobo8b5obo24b2o$29bo17b2o5b2o2b2o35b2o$30b3o19b
o20b3o19b2o$50b2o21b2o$51b2o20bo!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by b3s23love » September 18th, 2023, 1:53 pm

I added Tim’s optimisation to the main diehard. I hope I have done everything right.

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x = 112, y = 92, rule = LifeSuper
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
44.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
46.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$
24.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
36.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
23.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
38.2O37.2M11.M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
22.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$25.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$26.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$44.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$33.W10.pA
10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$19.A12.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3A11.2W
13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$22.A21.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2A20.A.A16.S5.S
24.Q$31.A12.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$30.A.A3.2U24.S5.S$31.A3.U.U21.S5.S$
28.A6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$27.A.A4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$4.A23.A10.U13.3S6.S
11.2S23.2Q$3.A9.2A10.A12.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.3A6.A2.A8.A.A12.U6.O
.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$12.4A9.A20.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$22.A11.U5.U9.2S6.S.S
15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.A2.A5.4A5.A.A9.U.U3.U.U8.2S7.S17.pA.pA4.M$3.A8.A2.
A6.A9.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$4.A26.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$A.A3.2A.A3.A18.U16.S
45.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$2A5.A2.A.A.A14.U5.U5.O6.S.S56.Q.Q.Q$.A6.2A3.A14.U.U3.U.
U4.2O6.S9.2S4.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$29.U5.U5.2O3.3S9.S.S3.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q
$3.A.A4.2A20.U9.O3.S11.2S4.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$3.2A5.2A19.U.U16.2S.S12.S
4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.A21.2U4.U3.2U13.3S2.3S.S2.S8.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$7.A.
A16.U.U7.U19.S2.2S2.S4.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$7.2A6.4A8.U.U7.3U6.2S4.S.2S.S.S2.
3S2.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.A4.2A4.2A7.2U9.U5.S3.2S.3S3.2S3.2S2.2Q13.2S23.Q
$13.2A5.A15.U.U9.3S.S10.S18.2S22.3Q2.Q$15.2A.A.A15.2U4.pA3.2S.3S2.S2.
2S.S2.S.S40.2Q.Q.Q$20.A13.2U5.pA.pA5.2S5.S5.2S.S$16.A3.A11.U2.U6.pA6.
S.2S.2S2.2S4.S5.M$16.A4.A10.2U5.pA10.S.2S6.2S2.M4.M.M.2M$18.3A3.A13.pA
.pA11.S2.S2.S3.S.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$18.2A4.A14.pA9.2S3.3S5.2S5.
6M27.M.2M2.2M$24.2A10.pA12.2S.5S.S.3S10.M31.2M2.M.M$26.A8.pA.pA12.3S
10.S.S34.M2.M.M5.M$26.3A7.pA12.S4.S2.S2.2S3.S35.3M2.3M2.M$43.S2.S2.S.
S.S.S.S2.2S.2S38.3M4.Q$39.2pA6.S4.S.S.S3.2S.3S36.4M4.2Q$29.A9.2pA2.3S
4.S.2S.S3.S4.S6.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$28.A.5A10.S2.S.S.S5.S5.S5.2M.M17.2M
8.M.M.Q5.Q$27.2A5.A9.3S.S4.3S.2S3.S.S5.M34.2Q$27.2A3.A2.A7.2S5.S3.3S.
S.S2.S.2S3.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$35.A7.2S2.2S2.S2.S.S3.S4.2S5.M.5M
9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$29.2A.A2.A9.2S.S7.S3.S.S3.2S6.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$32.A2.A7.
2S.S.2S.S.S.S.S.2S2.S.3S7.3M20.2Q$33.2A8.3S4.8S5.S.2S8.3M20.2Q$33.2A!
AlbertArmStain wrote:
September 18th, 2023, 10:46 am
b3s23love wrote:
September 15th, 2023, 6:30 pm

Would someone like to check this assembly works (especially that it self-destructs properly)? EDIT 1: Fixed a crab that wasn’t self-destructing properly.I don’t think it could be compactified, though. Also, could someone color-code this like the original tetrational diehard?
You can move the crab further in

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x = 111, y = 97, rule = B3/S23
50b4o$21b2o26bob2o2bo$20bo2bo32bo7b2o$21b2o25b2o2bo4bo3b2ob2o$46b5ob2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o19b2o15bo$47bob2ob2o7b2o4b3o15b2o8b2o5bo$41b2o4bo4bo10bo2b
4o24bo2bo4bo$42bo9b2o14bo26b2o8b2o$42bobo37b2o21bobo$43b2o11bo25b2o22b
o$55bo6b2o$37b3o14bo2bo4b2o21b2o8bo$28b2o6b3o15bo2bo27b2o6b3o4b2o$28b
2o13bo8b5o35bo7b2o$42bobo7bob3o35b2o$43bo10b3o$21b2o17bo5bo7b2o4b2o35b
2o6b4o$21b2o6bo9bobo3bobo12b2o4bo30b2o5bo2bo$29b2o7bobo5bo3b2o13bobo36b
2o$29b2o6bobo3bo6b2o14b2o$30bo5bobo3bobo9bo5b2o47bo$35bobo5bo9bobo3bo
2bo21bo22b3o$34bobo17bobo3b2o21bo12bo9bo$33bobo19bobo23bobo10b2o10b2o
$32bobo21bo26bo11b2o5b2o$31bobo6b2o5b2o4bo26bobo18bobo$30bobo7b2o5bo4b
obo3b2o20bo20bo$19b2o3b2o5bo13bobo5bo4bobo19bobo5b2o10b2o$45b2o12b2o13b
2o5b2o7bo$20bo3bo10b2o37b2o11bo$21b3o4b2o5b2o51b2o$21b3o3bobo23b2o22b
2o14bo8b3o$27b2o24bo23b2o13bo2bo$40bo10bobo13b2o23bo2bo$38b4o9b2o14bo
bo13b2o9bo$19b2o11b2o3bobob2o25b2o4b2o6bobo$20bo5bo5b2o2bo2bob3o20bo9b
2o6b2o5b2o$17b3o5bobo9bobob2o20bobo13bo9b2o$17bo8bobo9b4o12b2o8bo6bo6b
obo$27bobo10bo12bobo14bobo4bobo12b2o$28bobo22bo16bobo3bobo13b2o9bo4bo
$23b2o4bobo5bo14b2o17bo5bo6bo17bobo2bobo$25bo4bo5bobo6b2o11b2o8bo5bo7b
3o22bo2bo$22bo14bo6bobo10bobo7bobo3bobo5bo7b2o17b2o$23b2o19b2o3b2o5bo
2bobo6bo5bo6b2o6b2o$30bo10bo6bobo5b2o2b2o3bo5bo33bo$29bobo8bobo5b2o3b
o10bobo3bobo6bo5bo18bobo$30bo10bo10bobo10bo5bo6bobo4bo19b2o$16bo28b2o
6bo8bo5bo8bo3bo3bo$16b3o26b2o14bobo3bobo7b5o8bo$19bo21bo20bo5bo7b2o3b
2o7bo$18b2o20bobo16bo5bo11b5o8bo$41b2o15bobo3bobo11b3o$33b2o24bo5bo13b
o$5bo26bobo21bo5bo$3b2o27bo22bobo3bobo7bo$4b2o25b2o17bo5bo5bo7bobo$15b
2ob2ob2o27b3o6bo11b2o23b2o$15b2ob2obobo20bo8bo4bobo34bo2bo$4b2o16bo20b
obo6b2o5bo36bobo$3b4obo34b2o11bo17bo14b2o6bo$bo4b2o6b2o15bo15b2o6bobo
15bobo5b2o6b2o$o6bobo3bobo14bobo14b2o7bo17bobo4bo$3o5b2o2bobo14bobo43b
obo4b3o$8b2o3bo14bobo45bo7bo7b2o$4bo24bo62b2o11bo$3bo7bo14bo5bo5bo65b
obo$3b3o4b2o13bobo3bobo4b2o16b2o4bo16b2o8b2o14b2o$8bo17bo5bo5b2o15bob
o3bo2bo14bobo7b2o$7bo21bo9bo15b2o4bo2bo3b2o11bo$7b3o18bobo32bo4bo12bo
bo25bo$29bo3b2o34b3o10b2o24bobo$22b2o9bo31bo6bo36b2o$11bob3o6bobo9b3o
27bobo4b2o$11bob4o6bobo10bo18bo8b2o13b2o$11bo5bo6b2o7bobo18bobo22b2o$
12bobobo2b3o11b2o4bo15b2o$13bobob4o10b2o5bobo$14bo2bob2o8bo2bo6bo4b2o
9b2o14b2o$14bo3b3obo6b2o5bo6bobo9b2o4b2o2b2o4bobo$15b3o2b2obo11bobo5b
2o16b2ob2o5bob2o24b3o$21bo14bo18b2o8bobo4b2o25bo2bo3b2o$22bo2bo7bo6b2o
9b2o2b2o9b2o4bo26bob2o3bo$23bo2bo5bobo4bobo8bobo54b3o$24b2o3bo3bo5b2o
10bo57bo$25b5o17b2o$26b4o6b2o9b2o2bo16bo$26bobo7b2o7bo4bobo13bo3bo17b
2o7b2o8bo$25bob2obo12b2o5bo15bo3bo17b2o7b2o7bobo$25bo3bobo12b2o5b2o17b
2o35b2o$25bo2bo2b2o19bo2bo14b2ob3o9b2o5b2o$26b2obob2o15bo9bo8b9o9b2o5b
2o6b2o$28bo2b2o13b2o5bo4bobo8b5obo24b2o$29bo17b2o5b2o2b2o35b2o$30b3o19b
o20b3o19b2o$50b2o21b2o$51b2o20bo!
The crab explodes; that’s why I had to do this.
My 50th post!
EDIT 1: (Reworded previous sentences and added gen-0 version) This is a gen-0 diehard (I posted it before, but I rewinded it and added a few ships) that I think it's unlikely to compact, but I still post it for completeness and for someone to actually do it.
(EDIT 2: Added EvinZL’s barge with tail optimisation that I missed)

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x = 112, y = 96, rule = LifeSuper
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
44.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
46.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$
24.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
36.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
23.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
38.2O37.2M11.M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
22.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$25.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$26.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$44.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$26.2A5.A10.
pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$19.A7.A4.A.A13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3A5.A
.A3.2A13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$22.A5.A.A13.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2A6.A
.A11.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$30.A13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$36.2U24.S5.S$35.U.U
21.S5.S$28.A6.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$27.A.A4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$4.A23.A10.U
13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$3.A9.2A10.A12.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.3A6.A2.A8.A.
A12.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$12.4A9.A20.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$22.A11.U5.U17.
S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.A2.A5.4A5.A.A9.U.U3.U.U17.S17.pA.pA4.M$3.A8.A2.
A6.A9.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$4.A26.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$A.A3.2A.A3.A18.U62.2M
9.Q2.Q.Q$2A5.A2.A.A.A14.U5.U5.O65.Q.Q.Q$.A6.2A3.A14.U.U3.U.U4.2O15.2pA
5.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$29.U5.U5.2O15.2pA4.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.A.A4.2A20.U
9.O21.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$3.2A5.2A19.U.U21.2pA9.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.A
21.2U4.U3.2U16.pA.pA15.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$7.A.A16.U.U7.U17.2pA12.Q6.S30.
2Q3.Q$7.2A6.4A8.U.U7.3U27.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.A4.2A4.2A7.2U9.U11.2pA5.S
8.2Q13.2S23.Q$13.2A5.A15.U.U11.pA.pA4.S.S22.2S22.3Q2.Q$15.2A.A.A15.2U
4.pA7.2pA6.2S46.2Q.Q.Q$20.A13.2U5.pA.pA$16.A3.A11.U2.U6.pA4.2pA9.2S
10.M$16.A4.A10.2U5.pA6.pA.pA9.2S4.2M3.M.M.2M$18.3A3.A13.pA.pA5.2pA16.
2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$18.2A4.A14.pA18.2S9.6M27.M.2M2.2M$24.2A10.pA
6.2pA9.2S2.2S13.M31.2M2.M.M$26.A8.pA.pA4.pA.pA8.S.S44.M2.M.M5.M$26.3A
7.pA5.2pA8.S.S46.3M2.3M2.M$51.S.S49.3M4.Q$39.2pA9.S.S49.4M4.2Q$29.A9.
2pA10.S19.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$28.A.5A12.2S21.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$27.2A5.
A12.2S2.S18.M34.2Q$27.2A3.A2.A9.S4.S.S17.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$35.A
7.2S5.S21.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$29.2A.A2.A8.2S5.2S21.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$32.A
2.A16.S22.3M20.2Q$33.2A13.S9.S16.3M20.2Q$33.2A11.2S5.S4.S.S$47.2S5.2S
2.2S$52.S$50.2S$51.2S!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 18th, 2023, 6:38 pm

Some more small optimizations

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x = 112, y = 96, rule = B3/S23Super
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$44.
2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$46.
2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q6.3O
46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$24.2M
17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q30.2M6.
M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.M.M.2M$
33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA2.pA.pA3.
Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$36.pA.pA19.
pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA6.2O5.2O4.pA
28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$23.5M6.pA13.
O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$38.2O37.2M11.
M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA24.M23.2M13.M2.
M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$22.2M11.2M4.2M28.
2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA
.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.
pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.
pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.
3Q.2Q$25.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.3Q.Q$26.2O19.2pA3.2pA
5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$44.pA6.pA.pA5.2S2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA
.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$26.2A5.A10.pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.
Q.Q$19.A7.A4.A.A13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3A5.A.A3.2A13.2pA14.S.S3.S.
S8.3M9.Q$22.A5.A.A13.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2A6.A.A11.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$30.
A13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$36.2U24.S5.S$35.U.U21.S5.S$28.A6.U22.S.S3.S
.S7.S$27.A.A4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$4.A23.A10.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$3.A9.2A
10.A12.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.3A6.A2.A8.A.A12.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$12.
4A9.A20.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$22.A11.U5.U17.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.A2.A5.
4A5.A.A4.U4.U.U3.U.U17.S17.pA.pA4.M$3.A8.A2.A6.A4.U.U2.U.U5.U37.pA.pA
4.3M$4.A23.U2.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$A.A3.2A.A3.A18.U62.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$2A5.A2.A.
A.A20.U5.O65.Q.Q.Q$.A6.2A3.A20.U.U4.2O15.2pA5.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$35.U5.2O
15.2pA4.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.A.A4.2A15.U4.U9.O21.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$3.2A
5.2A14.U.U2.U.U21.2pA9.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.A22.U4.U3.2U16.pA.pA15.3S
10.2S19.3Q.2Q$7.A.A26.U17.2pA12.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$7.2A6.4A5.2U11.3U27.Q.Q4.
2S31.2Q.2Q$8.A4.2A4.2A3.U.U12.U11.2pA5.S8.2Q13.2S23.Q$13.2A5.A4.U.U8.
U.U11.pA.pA4.S.S22.2S22.3Q2.Q$15.2A.A.A5.2U8.2U4.pA7.2pA6.2S46.2Q.Q.Q
$20.A20.pA.pA$16.A3.A21.pA4.2pA9.2S10.M$16.A4.A17.pA6.pA.pA9.2S4.2M3.
M.M.2M$18.3A3.A13.pA.pA5.2pA16.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$18.2A4.A14.pA
18.2S9.6M27.M.2M2.2M$24.2A10.pA6.2pA9.2S2.2S13.M31.2M2.M.M$26.A8.pA.pA
4.pA.pA8.S.S44.M2.M.M5.M$26.3A7.pA5.2pA8.S.S46.3M2.3M2.M$51.S.S49.3M4.
Q$39.2pA9.S.S49.4M4.2Q$29.A9.2pA10.S19.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$28.A.5A12.2S21.
2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$27.2A5.A12.2S2.S18.M34.2Q$27.2A3.A2.A9.S4.S.S17.3M
3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$35.A7.2S5.S21.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$29.2A.A2.A8.2S
5.2S21.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$32.A2.A16.S22.3M20.2Q$33.2A13.S9.S16.3M20.2Q$33.
2A11.2S5.S4.S.S$47.2S5.2S2.2S$52.S$50.2S$51.2S!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by AlbertArmStain » September 18th, 2023, 8:53 pm

Further optimization by removing the tubs that aren’t really doing anything and replacing the ships with tubs:

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 x = 112, y = 96, rule = B3/S23Super
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$44.
2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$46.
2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q6.3O
46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$24.2M
17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q30.2M6.
M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.M.M.2M$
33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA2.pA.pA3.
Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$36.pA.pA19.
pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA6.2O5.2O4.pA
28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$23.5M6.pA13.
O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$38.2O37.2M11.
M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA24.M23.2M13.M2.
M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$22.2M11.2M4.2M28.
2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA
.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.
pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.
pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.
3Q.2Q$25.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.3Q.Q$26.2O19.2pA3.2pA
5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$44.pA6.pA.pA5.2S2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA
.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$26.2A5.A10.pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.
Q.Q$19.A7.A4.A.A13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3A5.A.A3.2A13.2pA14.S.S3.S.
S8.3M9.Q$22.A5.A.A13.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2A6.A.A11.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$30.
A13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$36.2U24.S5.S$35.U.U21.S5.S$28.A6.U22.S.S3.S
.S7.S$27.A.A4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$4.A23.A10.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$3.A9.2A
10.A12.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.3A6.A2.A8.A.A12.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$12.
4A9.A20.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q$22.A11.U5.U17.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.A2.A5.
4A5.A.A4.U4.U.U3.U.U17.S17.pA.pA4.M$3.A8.A2.A6.A4.U.U2.U.U5.U37.pA.pA
4.3M$4.A23.U2.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$A.A3.2A.A3.A18.U62.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$2A5.A2.A.
A.A20.U5.O65.Q.Q.Q$.A6.2A3.A20.U.U4.2O22.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$35.U5.2O14.pA
6.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.A.A4.2A15.U4.U9.O13.pA.pA5.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$3.
2A5.2A14.U.U2.U.U23.pA8.S4.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.A22.U4.U3.2U16.pA17.3S10.
2S19.3Q.2Q$7.A.A26.U16.pA.pA12.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$7.2A6.4A5.2U11.3U14.pA12.
Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.A4.2A4.2A3.U.U12.U11.pA6.S8.2Q13.2S23.Q$13.2A5.A4.U
.U8.U.U11.pA.pA4.S.S22.2S22.3Q2.Q$15.2A.A.A5.2U8.2U13.pA6.2S46.2Q.Q.Q
$20.A27.pA$16.A3.A26.pA.pA8.2S10.M$16.A4.A26.pA9.2S4.2M3.M.M.2M$18.3A
3.A20.pA18.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$18.2A4.A19.pA.pA11.2S9.6M27.M.2M2.
2M$24.2A19.pA8.2S2.2S13.M31.2M2.M.M$26.A15.pA10.S.S44.M2.M.M5.M$26.3A
12.pA.pA8.S.S46.3M2.3M2.M$42.pA8.S.S49.3M4.Q$39.pA10.S.S49.4M4.2Q$29.
A8.pA.pA10.S19.M19.2M7.5M3.Q.2Q$28.A.5A4.pA7.2S21.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q
$27.2A5.A12.2S2.S18.M34.2Q$27.2A3.A2.A9.S4.S.S17.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q
.3Q$35.A7.2S5.S21.M.5M9.2M5.2M6.M.7Q$29.2A.A2.A8.2S5.2S21.M3.M24.2M.2Q
.Q$32.A2.A16.S22.3M20.2Q$33.2A13.S9.S16.3M20.2Q$33.2A11.2S5.S4.S.S$47.
2S5.2S2.2S$52.S$50.2S$51.2S!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by EvinZL » September 18th, 2023, 9:16 pm

And a few more optimizations

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x = 112, y = 96, rule = LifeSuper
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
44.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
46.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$
24.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
36.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
23.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
38.2O37.2M11.M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
22.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
2pA11.2S8.S5.S7.3M18.3Q.2Q$25.O14.pA6.pA.pA10.S.S7.S.S3.S.S5.M7.2M13.
3Q.Q$26.2O19.2pA3.2pA5.S2.S.S6.S5.S6.2M6.2M12.Q3.2Q$44.pA6.pA.pA5.2S
2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$26.2A5.A10.
pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$19.A7.A4.A.A13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3A5.A
.A3.2A13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$22.A5.A.A13.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2A6.A
.A11.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$30.A13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$36.2U24.S5.S$29.A5.U
.U21.S5.S$28.A.A4.U22.S.S3.S.S7.S$18.2A9.A4.2U17.S5.S5.S7.S.S$4.A13.
2A6.A12.U13.3S6.S11.2S23.2Q$3.A9.2A10.A.A10.U.U6.O8.S4.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.
3A6.A2.A5.A4.A12.U6.O.O6.2S5.S36.Q.Q$12.4A4.A.A23.2O11.S17.pA14.2M6.Q
$21.A12.U5.U17.S.S15.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.A2.A5.4A12.U4.U.U3.U.U17.S17.pA.
pA4.M$3.A8.A2.A11.U.U2.U.U5.U37.pA.pA4.3M$4.A23.U2.U.U45.pA7.M7.2M$A.
A3.2A.A3.A18.U62.2M9.Q2.Q.Q$2A5.A2.A.A.A20.U5.O65.Q.Q.Q$.A6.2A3.A20.U
.U4.2O22.S16.2S8.2M14.Q$35.U5.2O14.pA6.S2.S14.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.A.A4.2A
15.U4.U9.O13.pA.pA5.S2.S3.2S11.S24.Q$3.2A5.2A14.U.U2.U.U23.pA8.S4.S
12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.A22.U4.U3.2U16.pA17.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$7.A.A26.U16.pA.pA
12.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$7.2A6.4A5.2U11.3U14.pA12.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.A4.2A4.2A
3.U.U12.U11.pA6.S8.2Q13.2S23.Q$13.2A5.A4.U.U8.U.U11.pA.pA4.S.S22.2S
22.3Q2.Q$15.2A.A.A5.2U8.2U13.pA6.2S46.2Q.Q.Q$20.A27.pA$16.A3.A26.pA.pA
8.2S10.M$16.A4.A26.pA9.2S4.2M3.M.M.2M$18.3A3.A20.pA18.2M2.M.3M.2M24.M
.M.M.M2.M$18.2A4.A19.pA.pA11.2S9.6M27.M.2M2.2M$24.2A19.pA8.2S2.2S13.M
31.2M2.M.M$26.A15.pA10.S.S44.M2.M.M5.M$26.3A12.pA.pA8.S.S46.3M2.3M2.M
$42.pA8.S.S49.3M4.Q$39.pA10.S.S49.4M4.2Q$29.A8.pA.pA10.S19.M19.2M7.5M
3.Q.2Q$28.A.5A4.pA7.2S21.2M.M17.2M8.M.M.Q5.Q$27.2A5.A12.2S2.S18.M34.
2Q$27.2A3.A2.A9.S4.S.S17.3M3.2M10.2M5.2M7.M.Q.3Q$35.A7.2S5.S21.M.5M9.
2M5.2M6.M.7Q$29.2A.A2.A8.2S5.2S21.M3.M24.2M.2Q.Q$32.A2.A16.S22.3M20.
2Q$33.2A13.S9.S16.3M20.2Q$33.2A11.2S5.S4.S.S$47.2S5.2S2.2S$52.S$50.2S
$51.2S!

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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by toroidalet » September 19th, 2023, 4:53 am

Unfortunately, 112*92 is larger than 10,000, and 112*96 is even larger. Here is a new record, though (it looks a lot like the older pre-fuse diehards):

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x = 112, y = 89, rule = LifeSuper
21.8Q20.12Q4.5Q2.Q15.2M15.Q$22.Q4.Q22.Q3.2Q8.2Q.Q.4Q.Q13.2M8.2Q5.Q$
44.2M4.Q4.2Q9.4Q27.Q2.Q4.Q$45.M4.2Q46.2Q8.2Q$45.M.M8.Q3.M24.2M21.Q.Q$
46.2M3.Q.2Q.Q2.M25.2M22.Q$51.2Q6.3M3.2M$40.3O8.2Q12.2M21.2M8.M$31.2Q
6.3O46.2M6.3M4.2M$31.2Q13.pA9.3M36.M7.2M$45.pA.pA8.M38.2M$46.pA8.3M$
24.2M17.pA5.pA4.2pA7.2M35.2M7.3M$24.2M6.O9.pA.pA3.pA.pA4.2pA6.2M4.Q
30.2M6.M.M$32.2O7.pA.pA5.pA2.pA.pA13.Q.Q37.M$32.2O6.pA.pA3.pA22.2Q35.
M.M.2M$33.O5.pA.pA3.pA.pA6.pA2.pA5.2Q20.M2.M19.2M.M$38.pA.pA5.pA6.pA
2.pA.pA3.Q2.Q21.4M9.M6.M.M.M$37.pA.pA13.pA3.pA.pA3.2Q19.M13.2M9.2M$
36.pA.pA19.pA.pA24.2M2.2M8.2M8.M$35.pA.pA21.pA45.2M$22.2M3.2M5.pA.pA
6.2O5.2O4.pA28.2M17.M.M$22.2M3.2M4.pA.pA7.2O5.O4.pA.pA3.2pA21.2M18.M$
23.5M6.pA13.O.O5.pA4.pA.pA21.2M4.2M10.2M$24.M.M21.2O12.2pA13.2M14.M$
38.2O37.2M11.M$24.3M4.2pA5.2O51.2M$30.pA.pA23.2M22.2M14.M8.3M$30.2pA
24.M23.2M13.M2.M$45.M8.M.M13.2pA23.M2.M$43.M.M8.2M14.pA.pA13.2S9.M$
22.2M11.2M4.2M28.2pA4.2M6.S.S$23.M5.pA5.2M4.2M24.pA9.2M6.2S5.2M$20.3M
5.pA.pA10.2M23.pA.pA13.S9.2M$20.M8.pA.pA11.M.M11.2pA8.pA6.S6.S.S23.Q.
Q$30.pA.pA12.M10.pA.pA14.S.S4.S.S12.2M11.4Q$31.pA.pA22.pA16.S.S3.S.S
13.2M9.Q.2Q$26.2O4.pA.pA5.pA14.2pA17.S5.S6.M18.Q4.Q$28.O4.pA5.pA.pA6.
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2.2S3.S5.S33.Q.Q$43.pA.pA5.2pA3.O10.S.S3.S.S12.Q17.Q2.Q.Q$26.2W5.W10.
pA10.O.O10.S5.S13.Q18.Q.Q$19.O7.W4.W.W13.2pA6.O8.S5.S9.3M4.Q$19.3O5.W
.W3.2W13.2pA14.S.S3.S.S8.3M9.Q$22.O5.W.W13.A20.S5.S8.M3.M8.Q$21.2O6.W
.W11.A.A16.S5.S24.Q$30.W13.2A15.S.S3.S.S9.2M3.2M$36.2U18.S5.S5.S$29.W
5.U.U18.3S6.S$28.W.W4.U23.S4.S.S7.S$18.2W9.W4.2U22.2S5.S7.S.S$4.W13.
2W6.W12.U22.S11.2S23.2Q$3.W9.2W10.W.W10.U.U6.O13.S.S34.Q2.Q$3.3W6.W2.
W5.W4.W12.U6.O.O13.S36.Q.Q$12.4W4.W.W23.2O29.pA14.2M6.Q$21.W12.U5.U
35.pA.pA5.2M6.2M$3.W2.W5.4W17.U.U3.U.U35.pA.pA4.M$3.W8.W2.W16.U.U5.U
37.pA.pA4.3M$4.W26.U.U34.S10.pA7.M7.2M$W.W3.2W.W3.W18.U34.S2.S24.2M9.
Q2.Q.Q$2W5.W2.W.W.W14.U5.U5.O25.S2.S36.Q.Q.Q$.W6.2W3.W14.U.U3.U.U4.2O
26.S12.2S8.2M14.Q$29.U5.U5.2O20.U18.S.S7.2M17.Q$3.W.W4.2W20.U9.O19.U.
U6.2S11.S24.Q$3.2W5.2W19.U.U29.U7.S12.S.S20.2Q2.Q$4.W12.4M5.2U4.U3.2U
22.U11.3S10.2S19.3Q.2Q$7.W.W5.2M4.2M3.U.U7.U22.U.U6.Q6.S30.2Q3.Q$7.2W
6.2M5.M6.U7.3U20.U6.Q.Q4.2S31.2Q.2Q$8.W8.2M.M.M5.2U9.U17.U9.2Q13.2S
23.Q$22.M13.U.U17.U.U23.2S22.3Q2.Q$18.M3.M13.2U19.U48.2Q.Q.Q$18.M4.M
30.U$20.3M3.M26.U.U14.M$20.2M4.M27.U9.2M3.M.M.2M$26.2M23.U12.2M2.M.3M
.2M24.M.M.M.M2.M$28.M21.U.U16.6M27.M.2M2.2M$28.3M20.U21.M31.2M2.M.M$
34.M13.U51.M2.M.M5.M$32.M14.U.U51.3M2.2MQ2.M$28.M4.4M11.U54.3M4.Q$30.
M.M12.U20.2M.2M23.M7.4M4.2Q$30.2M5.M6.U.U19.2M.2M2.M16.M.5M3.5M3.Q.2Q
$29.2M3.M.2M7.U21.2M2.3M18.2M.2M4.M.M.M5.Q$28.M3.M4.M.M2.U24.2M2.3M
19.2M2.2M6.MQ$30.M2.M7.U.U23.2M6.M2.M9.2M2.2M.M8.M.Q.3Q$34.M.2M4.U25.
M6.3M10.M3.2M.6M2.M.5M2Q$34.4M51.M2.M3.5Q2.2M.2M.Q!
If we want to use the yellow loaf fuse, that would require shaving 3 columns while keeping 4 green block destroyers (or finding some other way).

Moebius: Nice work! Would you mind sharing some of the other ignitions that didn't quite fit? There are other cleanups for the wickstretcher with different timings that might make them better than the cap on table.

Obviously, there's the wretched cleanup I used above, where the crabstretcher is 8 generations ahead of the one-glider cleanup. I also found this one, where it is 7 generations behind:

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x = 24, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
19bo$18bo$17b2o$14bo3bo$14bo$13bo$13bo3b2o$12bo2bo$11bob2o$10bobo$9bob
o$8bobo12bo$7bobo11b2o$8bo13b2o$4b2o$4b2o2bo$2bo4bobo$2o5bo8bo$b2o5b2o
6bobo$9bo2bo3b2o$4bo$4bobo3bo$4b2o5b2o$9bo$7b2o$8b2o!
There are almost certainly more.
Any sufficiently advanced software is indistinguishable from malice.

moebius
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Re: (Engineered) diehards

Post by moebius » September 19th, 2023, 8:42 am

Hi toroidalet,

Here are 3 different fuse lighters with 2 versions of the last one. I have timed none of them:

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x = 62, y = 269, rule = B3/S23
$bo57bo3$57bobo$57b2o$58bo17$41bo2b2obob2o$39b3o2bob2ob2o$38bo$37bobo$
36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$
26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$
16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo$10bobo46bo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo
$6bobo$7bo46bo11$bo57bo3$57bobo$57b2o$58bo16$45bob2o$43b3obobo$39b2obo
4bobo$38bobobob2obob2o$37bobo3b2obo$36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo
$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo
$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo
$11bobo$10bobo46bo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo$7bo46bo12$bo57bo3$57bobo$
57b2o$58bo15$42b2o$42bo3bo$40bobo2bobo$39bobo4bobo$38bobo7bo$37bobo8b
2o$36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bo
bo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bo
bo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo$10bobo46bo$9bobo$8bobo$7b
obo$6bobo$7bo46bo14$bo57bo3$57bobo$57b2o$58bo15$42b2o$42bo3bo$40bobo2b
obo$39bobo4bobo$38bobo6bobo$37bobo8b2o$36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32b
obo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22b
obo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12b
obo$11bobo$10bobo46bo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo$7bo46bo!
Here are several different versions of the best fuse lighter. They all have identical timing:

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x = 62, y = 334, rule = B3/S23
$2bo57bo3$58bobo$58b2o$59bo18$40bo3b2o2b2o$39bobo2bo2bobo$38bobo4b2o$
37bobo$36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$
27bobo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$
17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo46bo$10bobo$9bobo$8bob
o$7bobo$8bo46bo12$2bo57bo3$58bobo$58b2o$59bo18$40bo3b2o$39bobo2bo2b2o$
38bobo4bobobobo$37bobo6bo3b2o$36bobo$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bob
o$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bob
o$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bob
o46bo$10bobo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo46bo$7bo8$2bo57bo3$58bobo$58b2o$
59bo18$40bo3b2o$39bobo2bo$38bobo4bo3bo$37bobo6bobobo$36bobo6b2ob2o$35b
obo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$25b
obo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15b
obo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo46bo$10bobo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo46bo
$5bobo$6bo10$2bo57bo3$58bobo$58b2o$59bo18$40bo3b2o$39bobo2bo2b2o$38bob
o4bobobo$37bobo6bo2bo$36bobo10b2o$35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$
30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$
20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo
46bo$10bobo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo46bo$5bobo$6bo8$2bo57bo3$58bobo$58b
2o$59bo18$40bo3b2o$39bobo2bo4b2o$38bobo4bo3b2o$37bobo6bo$36bobo6b2o$
35bobo$34bobo$33bobo$32bobo$31bobo$30bobo$29bobo$28bobo$27bobo$26bobo$
25bobo$24bobo$23bobo$22bobo$21bobo$20bobo$19bobo$18bobo$17bobo$16bobo$
15bobo$14bobo$13bobo$12bobo$11bobo46bo$10bobo$9bobo$8bobo$7bobo$6bobo
46bo$5bobo$6bo!
I think it is good that you are sussing out several different versions of clean burn ends.

Have a happy day,

-Tim Coe

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