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[MathAndCode]

block and glider cleanly burns through blinkers

It wasn't in Blinker fuse (although I just mentioned it there), and jslife's fuses folder doesn't have any file titled d-0454545.lif, so it's probably new. That's a nice find.

[C28]

2c/516 crawling reaction

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x = 80, y = 146, rule = B3/S23
54$65bo$63bobo$64b2o6$77b3o$77bobo$76bo2bo$76b2o78$3o$2bo$bo!

edit: 28c/83

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x = 35, y = 142, rule = B3/S23
2o31b2o$2o31b2o4$3b2o25b2o$3b2o25b2o22$2o31b2o$2o31b2o4$3b2o25b2o$3b2o
25b2o22$2o31b2o$2o31b2o4$3b2o25b2o$3b2o25b2o22$2o31b2o$2o31b2o4$3b2o25b
2o$3b2o25b2o22$2o31b2o$2o31b2o4$3b2o25b2o$3b2o25b2o21$12bo9bo$11b3o7b
3o$13bo7bo!

[MathAndCode]

2c/516 crawling reaction
edit: 28c/83

Those are also nice, especially the first one. I was surprised that you managed to condense the entire mess back down into the small bottleneck—as well as a glider, using only one glider; reactions like that are unlikely/rare.

[AforAmpere]

2c/516 crawling reaction

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x = 80, y = 146, rule = B3/S23
54$65bo$63bobo$64b2o6$77b3o$77bobo$76bo2bo$76b2o78$3o$2bo$bo!

I found that first one a couple of years ago:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2036&p=61751#p61751

It would be interesting if someone could stabilize it. There was some discussion a while ago on Discord about possibly using caterloopillars, but it wasn't constructed.

[C28]

2c/516 crawling reaction
edit: 28c/83

Those are also nice, especially the first one. I was surprised that you managed to condense the entire mess back down into the small bottleneck—as well as a glider, using only one glider; reactions like that are unlikely/rare.

it was pure chance but i doubt it can be made into a spaceship.

[C28]

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x = 10, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o12$7b3o$7bobo$6bo2bo$6b2o!

edit: might be new but i highly doubt it

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x = 13, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o$11bo$9b2o$10b2o7$9b2o$9bo$10b3o$12bo!

[MathAndCode]

Is this component known?

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x = 27, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$14bobo$7bo6b2o$8bo$o5b3o$b2o$2o23bo$5b3o6b2o8b2o$7bo7b2o7bobo$6bo7bo!

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
15b2o4bo$14bobo4bobo$7bo6b2o5b2o$8bo$o5b3o$b2o$2o$5b3o$7bo12bo$6bo12b2o$19bobo!

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x = 26, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$14bobo6bo$7bo6b2o7bobo$8bo14b2o$o5b3o$b2o$2o$5b3o$7bo11b3o$6bo12bo$20bo!

Edit: What about this one?

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x = 28, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
15bo$15bobo$15b2o9bo$25bo$2bo22b3o$obo$b2o4$21bo$20bo$20b3o6$9bo$8bob
o$9bo15b2o$25bobo$25bo!

[Entity Valkyrie 2]

P1380 gun:

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x = 60, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
4b2o14bo$5bo13bobo$5bob2o10bobo$6bo3b2o5b3ob2o$11bo4bo$17b3ob2o6b2o$8b
o4bo5bob2o4b5o$8bo4bo12bo4bo$8b4o14bo2b3o$8bo4bo12b2o2bo13bo$8bob2o2bo
6b2o5b2o14b3o$o7bo5bo6b2o24bo$3o5bob5o13b2o14b3o$3bo6bo3bob2o8b2o2bo
13bo$2bobo6b3o2b3o7bo2b3o$2b2o8b2o2b2o8bo4bo$27b5o$2b2o25b2o$2bo$3bo
12b2o$2b2o12bobo$8b2o8bo27b2o3bo$9bo8b2o10bo16bo2bobo$6b3o11bo10b2o12b
o4bobo$6bo11b3o9b2o13b5obo$17bo31bo$17b2o26b2o3bo$45b2o4bo$50b2o2$42b
2o$41bo2bo13b2o$42b2o14bo$56bobo$38bo17b2o$37bobo11bo$37bobo10bobo$38b
o12bo$56b2o$56bobo$43b2o13bo$8bo33bo2bo12b2o$7bo35b2o$7b3o!

Not sure if smallest.

[dvgrn]

P1380 gun:

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x = 60, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
4b2o14bo$5bo13bobo$5bob2o10bobo$6bo3b2o5b3ob2o$11bo4bo$17b3ob2o6b2o$8b
o4bo5bob2o4b5o$8bo4bo12bo4bo$8b4o14bo2b3o$8bo4bo12b2o2bo13bo$8bob2o2bo
6b2o5b2o14b3o$o7bo5bo6b2o24bo$3o5bob5o13b2o14b3o$3bo6bo3bob2o8b2o2bo
13bo$2bobo6b3o2b3o7bo2b3o$2b2o8b2o2b2o8bo4bo$27b5o$2b2o25b2o$2bo$3bo
12b2o$2b2o12bobo$8b2o8bo27b2o3bo$9bo8b2o10bo16bo2bobo$6b3o11bo10b2o12b
o4bobo$6bo11b3o9b2o13b5obo$17bo31bo$17b2o26b2o3bo$45b2o4bo$50b2o2$42b
2o$41bo2bo13b2o$42b2o14bo$56bobo$38bo17b2o$37bobo11bo$37bobo10bobo$38b
o12bo$56b2o$56bobo$43b2o13bo$8bo33bo2bo12b2o$7bo35b2o$7b3o!

Not sure if smallest.

Not quite -- p690 is a small enough gun that doubling it only gets you to 51x45:

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x = 51, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
23b2o$23bo2bo$15b5o7bo$14bo5bo6bo$14bo3b2o7bo$15bo7bo2bo7b3o$23b2o8b2o
b2o$33b2ob2o$33b5o$32b2o3b2o$43b2o$14b2o27bo$13bo30b3ob2o$2o10bo2b2o
10b2o17bob2o$2o10bo2bo11b2o7b2o$12bobo32b3o$13b2o28bo3bo2bo$42bobo4b2o
$13b2o9b2o16b2obo$12bobo7b2o3bo14b2ob2o$2o10bo2bo6bo4bo14b2obo$2o10bo
2b2o5b2o3bo14bobo$13bo10b2o17bo$14b2o3$16b2o$16b2o3$7b2o$7bobo$8bo4$
11b2o$11b2o$6b2o$5bobo$5bo$4b2o13b2o$19bo10bo$12b2o6b3o8bo$12b2o8bo6b
3o!

Your p1380 is still a very interesting crystal-based construction, though! With a longer crystallization track, and maybe a few quadri-Snarks on the output packed into the unused corner, and maybe a different period for the base gun, it should be possible to invent compact guns with very high periods that might be very hard to beat with any other mechanism.

[bubblegum]

Not quite -- p690 is a small enough gun that doubling it only gets you to 51x45:

48×45 is viable with an alternate twin bees stabilisation, for the extra space taken up by the semi-Snark:

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x = 48, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20bo2bo$12b5o7bo$11bo5bo6bo$11bo3b2o7bo$12bo7bo2bo7b3o$20b2o8b2o
b2o$30b2ob2o$3b2o25b5o$2bobo24b2o3b2o$3bo36b2o$11b2o27bo$10bo30b3ob2o
$2o7bo2b2o10b2o17bob2o$2o7bo2bo11b2o7b2o$9bobo32b3o$10b2o28bo3bo2bo$39b
obo4b2o$10b2o9b2o16b2obo$9bobo7b2o3bo14b2ob2o$2o7bo2bo6bo4bo14b2obo$2o
7bo2b2o5b2o3bo14bobo$10bo10b2o17bo$11b2o$3bo$2bobo$3b2o8b2o$13b2o3$4b
2o$4bobo$5bo4$8b2o$8b2o$3b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o13b2o$16bo10bo$9b2o6b3o8bo$
9b2o8bo6b3o!

[Sphenocorona]

Your p1380 is still a very interesting crystal-based construction, though! With a longer crystallization track, and maybe a few quadri-Snarks on the output packed into the unused corner, and maybe a different period for the base gun, it should be possible to invent compact guns with very high periods that might be very hard to beat with any other mechanism.

I'd originally thought of the potential for compact gun building when I demonstrated the universality of this family of p2 pulse dividers, but at the time I thought it wouldn't be possible to get gun periods lower than 1000 without them getting bulky, and so I thought it wouldn't affect the normal gun collection much if at all. It's nice to see that at the very least I was almost wrong about that. That said, I imagine the most efficient thing for getting super high multipliers in small bounding boxes would probably be a combination of Tremi- or Quadri-snarks along with the p2 "n-snarks" (n >= 15) chained together in a tight space, at least until you get big enough to afford more complex systems with faster period scaling.

On a side note, n-snark is kinda ugly, maybe we can call them crystal snarks or something instead? I guess they're still a bit big and slow compared to the snark so maybe that term isn't the best, but the smallest ones can still get some very impressive multipliers for their size. I'm open to suggestions on that front if anybody has any good ones.

[dvgrn]

On a side note, n-snark is kinda ugly, maybe we can call them crystal snarks or something instead? I guess they're still a bit big and slow compared to the snark so maybe that term isn't the best...

Yeah, the main meaning of "Snark" is "90-degree reflector", and when you add "semi", "tremi", etc. it adds the meaning "half", "third", etc. So "n-Snark" should really be "1/n-Snark", which is even more awkwardnessful.

Anway the main point of these devices is more the period multiplication than the angle of reflection, so maybe we should just say "crystal period multipliers"? It's longer, but it seems much clearer.

[MathAndCode]

A slow component can be extracted from Catagolue's synthesis of xs16_69ligozw66.

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x = 20, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
4bo$2bobo$3b2o9bo$12b2o$13b2o$17bo$17bobo$17b2o7$15bo$14bobo$15bo4$b2o
4b2o$obo3b2o$2bo5bo2$6bo$6b2o$5bobo!

[C28]

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x = 38, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o26$35b3o$35b3o$34bobo$34b2o!

[MathAndCode]

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x = 38, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o26$35b3o$35b3o$34bobo$34b2o!

That active region only requires six cells.

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x = 39, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo25$38bo$36b2o2$36bo$36bo$36bo!

Also, that might be a useful for a fast component. There are several times when I've seen regions close to fishhook/integral motifs fail in the manner that that one would have if it weren't for that spark. Here's a version of the spark that might be easier to insert with two gliders:

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x = 9, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2bobo2$3bob2obo$o3b3obo$b2o2$3bo!

[calcyman]

Not quite -- p690 is a small enough gun that doubling it only gets you to 51x45:

48×45 is viable with an alternate twin bees stabilisation, for the extra space taken up by the semi-Snark:

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x = 48, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20bo2bo$12b5o7bo$11bo5bo6bo$11bo3b2o7bo$12bo7bo2bo7b3o$20b2o8b2o
b2o$30b2ob2o$3b2o25b5o$2bobo24b2o3b2o$3bo36b2o$11b2o27bo$10bo30b3ob2o
$2o7bo2b2o10b2o17bob2o$2o7bo2bo11b2o7b2o$9bobo32b3o$10b2o28bo3bo2bo$39b
obo4b2o$10b2o9b2o16b2obo$9bobo7b2o3bo14b2ob2o$2o7bo2bo6bo4bo14b2obo$2o
7bo2b2o5b2o3bo14bobo$10bo10b2o17bo$11b2o$3bo$2bobo$3b2o8b2o$13b2o3$4b
2o$4bobo$5bo4$8b2o$8b2o$3b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o13b2o$16bo10bo$9b2o6b3o8bo$
9b2o8bo6b3o!

47-by-45 by repeating the extra-queen-bee-shuttle trick:

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x = 47, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20bo2bo$12b5o7bo$11bo5bo6bo$11bo3b2o7bo$12bo7bo2bo7b3o$20b2o8b2o
b2o$30b2ob2o$3b2o25b5o$2bobo24b2o3b2o$3bo$11b2o$10bo$2o7bo2b2o10b2o$2o
7bo2bo11b2o7b2o$9bobo$10b2o28bo$39bobo$10b2o9b2o16b2obo$9bobo7b2o3bo
14b2ob2o$2o7bo2bo6bo4bo14b2obo$2o7bo2b2o5b2o3bo14bobo$10bo10b2o17bo$
11b2o$3bo$2bobo$3b2o8b2o27b3o$13b2o26b2ob2o$41b2ob2o$41b5o$4b2o34b2o3b
2o$4bobo$5bo3$44b2o$8b2o$8b2o$3b2o$2bobo37b2o$2bo39b2o$b2o13b2o$16bo
10bo$9b2o6b3o8bo$9b2o8bo6b3o!

[MathAndCode]

A B-heptalet predecessor can be hassled with period four.

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x = 14, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bo2bo$8bobo2bo$9bo$10b2obo$12bo2$8bo$6b3o$8bo$8bo$6b2o2$5bo$5bo
$4b3o4$3b5o$2bob3obo$2bobobobo$b2obobob2o$o2b2ob2o2bo$2o7b2o!

[hotdogPi]

A B-heptalet predecessor can be hassled with period four.

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x = 14, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bo2bo$8bobo2bo$9bo$10b2obo$12bo2$8bo$6b3o$8bo$8bo$6b2o2$5bo$5bo
$4b3o4$3b5o$2bob3obo$2bobobobo$b2obobob2o$o2b2ob2o2bo$2o7b2o!

I believe this in the DRH collection with different P4s.

[praosylen]

A B-heptalet predecessor can be hassled with period four.

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x = 14, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bo2bo$8bobo2bo$9bo$10b2obo$12bo2$8bo$6b3o$8bo$8bo$6b2o2$5bo$5bo
$4b3o4$3b5o$2bob3obo$2bobobobo$b2obobob2o$o2b2ob2o2bo$2o7b2o!

It's in jslife — osc/o0004.lif, right side, top row, second from left.

[MathAndCode]

It's in jslife — osc/o0004.lif, right side, top row, second from left.

Yes, I see it now. That's what I get for not knowing how to navigate jslife and giving up so quickly.

[Schiaparelliorbust]

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x = 28, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
5$16bo$15bobo$15bobo$11b2o3bo3b2o$10bo2bo5bo2bo$11b2o7b2o2$15b3o$16bo!

Edit: Tubs work too:

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x = 18, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
9$7bo$6bobo$6bobo$3bo3bo3bo$2bobo5bobo$3bo7bo2$6b3o$7bo!

Edit2: Table on table:

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x = 21, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
2$11bo$10b3o2$7bo7bo$6bobo5bobo$7bo3bo3bo$10bobo$10bobo$7bo3bo3bo$6bo
bo5bobo$7bo7bo2$10b3o$11bo!

[MathAndCode]

Tubs work too:

I checked whether or not that turns a loaf into a loop, and I got something close.

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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$4bobo$bo3bo3bo$obo5bobo$bo7bo2$4b3o$5bo!

I then tested it with the beehive version and got a snorkel loop.

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$4bo2bo$5bobo$b2o3bo3b2o$o2bo5bo2bo$b2o7b2o2$5b3o$6bo!

[C28]

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x = 16, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
11b3o$11b3o$2o8bobo$obo7b2o$bo12$14b2o$14b2o!

EDIT by dvgrn: Label your posted patterns, please? Pretty please, with flying spaghetti monsters on top? Just a few words can be hugely helpful, compared to zero words.

[MathAndCode]

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x = 16, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
11b3o$11b3o$2o8bobo$obo7b2o$bo12$14b2o$14b2o!

Is your point that it's a conduit or that it makes an integral?



Edit: Speaking of U-turner-accepting conduits, here's a century output with good output clearance:

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x = 15, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo8b3o$2b2o8b3o$11bobo$11b2o!

Another edit: I also got a B output and a glider output.

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x = 77, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o54b2o$bo55bo$bobo8b3o42bobo8b3o$2b2o8b3o43b2o8b3o$11bobo53bobo$11b2o
54b2o7$5b2o54b2o12b2o$6bo55bo12b2o$3b3o53b3o$3bo55bo$11b2o$12bo$9b3o$
9bo!

Yet another edit: I got another B output.

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x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6b3o$6b3o$5bobo$5b2o4$2b2o$3bo$3o$o!

Fourth edit: Here's yet another B output:

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x = 8, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b3o$b3o$obo$2o6$6bo$5bobo$6b2o!

A ship-fishhook combination can suppress the block, resulting in a Herschel output.

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x = 15, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
8b3o$8b3o$7bobo$7b2o6$13bo$12bobo$b2o10b2o$obo$2o2$3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo!

[EvinZL]

I got a different glider working on it before

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x = 21, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
12.4B3.2A$11.4B3.A.A$10.4B4.A$8.C4B4.2A$6.2B2C2B.B.BA$6.2B3C5B3A$6.4B
2C3B.B2.A$6.3B2C4B3.2A$7.8B$6.8B$6.7B$6.7B$7.6B$6.5B$5.4B$5.3BAB$6.BA
BAB$.B2.2B2.A.A$2AB.B3A2.3A$2A2BAB2.2A3.A$.B.BA.2A2.3A$4.BA2.A.A$7.A.
A$8.A!

I found that active region here:

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x = 31, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.B$2.5B.B10.4B6.2A$12B.B3.5B7.A$22B4.BA.A$.24B.B2A$2.25B$2.6B2C17B$
3.6B2C16B$6.3BC16B$7.5B.5B.B.2B$7.10B$7.8B$8.5B$8.4B$7.3BA2B$8.BA.A2B
$8.B2A3B$9.4B!
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