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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

4G diehard synthesis: minimum population is 8 (unlike the 3G synthesis has min pop of 9)

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x = 10, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4b2o$5b2o$obo$b2o$bo5$4b2o$5b2o$4bo$8b2o$7b2o$9bo!  Bx222 IS MY WORST ENEMY. Please click here for my own pages. Also, please apgsearch B34t5y7/S23 (B-life) The ENEERG-y of the EVAD is watching. The 70th NAI-ve guy is watching. pew Posts: 9 Joined: May 8th, 2020, 7:58 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries quadpole on quadpole synthesis. 11G and 10G. bottom one based on the known quadpole on ship synthesis. The top one can be used to stack quadpoles indefinitely i guess. Code: Select all x = 86, y = 100, rule = B3/S23 7$55bo$55bobo$55b2o$35bo$33bobo$34b2o$47bo$47bobo$41bo5b2o$31b2o8bobo$
31bobo7b2o$32b2o3$38bo$38b2o$37bobo4$42b2o$42bobo$43b2o43$50bo$48bobo$
49b2o4bo$54bo$54b3o2$52bo$53bo$4bo3bobo4b2o34b3o$2bobo3b2o5bobo$3b2o4b o5bo46b2o$62bobo$63b2o$65b2o$4b3o58bobo$4bo61b2o$5bo$76b3o$76bo$77bo2$73b3o$75bo$74bo4b2o$79bobo$79bo!  Jormungant Posts: 218 Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries I think kazyan is the one that used the following trick to make a p70 gun, just mentionning that the p8 version works too: Code: Select all x = 43, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory 2$14.3B$13.B2AB$13.B2ABA$3.B9.4B.A$3.2B10.A.4B$3.3B10.AB2A2B$3.4B10.B
2A2B$4.4B9.3B$5.4B9.2B$6.3BA10.B3.B$7.ABAB4.2B.3B2.5B$8.2A2B2.7B.5B$
9.4B.13B.B$10.17B.3B$10.17B.3B$10.17B.3B$9.18B$8.19B$7.2A19B$7.2A19B$
8.17B$9.4BA11B$9.4BA13B$10.6BABA10B$9.8B2A10B$8.9BA12B$8.21B$9.5B2AB 2A10B.2B$4.2A3.5BA3BA9B2.BAB$4.A3.6BA3BA6B3.5B$6.A.2AB.3BABA8B2.BAB3A
$5.2AB2AB5.A2.B2.B2AB3.2B2A.A$8.B6.3B5.2A6.A.2A2B$5.2A.2A5.B2AB13.3AB AB$6.A.A7.2A15.5B$6.A.A24.BAB$7.A26.2B!

Tried to make some compact double barrel gun with that, but to no avail...

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Random bait reaction delivery: HWSS + loaf → Herschel + 2G + LoM with catalytic eater.

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x = 34, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
13.3D$15.D$14.D$10.2A$9.A2DA$9.DADA$9.D.C$9.2D$2.2A$A4.A25.D$6.A24.D.
D$A5.A24.3D$.6A26.D3$.D$D$3D5.2A$9.A$6.3A$6.A!

Now time to do real-life academic stuff...
Off-topic: please help write the Star Wars article on LifeWiki, in case someone didn't notice the Tiki bar and the thread.

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x = 33, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4b2o8bobo11b2o$15b2o11bobo$15bo14bo$30b2o$15b2o10b2obo$14bo2bo8bo
bobobo$15bobo9bo3b2o$16bo4$3bob2o$b3ob2o13b2o$o19b2o$b3ob2o6b2o$3bobo 7b2o$3bobo$4bo! #C [[ PASTET 31 PASTE o$o! 15 -11 ]]


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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

dr2 found the following eater that isn't in the stamp collection:

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x = 14, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$3bo5bobo$bobo5bo$2b2o4b2o$5b2o$4bo2b3o$3bobo4bo$b3obob2obo$o4bo
2bobob2o$b3obobo2bob2o$3bob2o3bo$9b2o!  I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) nokangaroo Posts: 33 Joined: February 16th, 2017, 6:21 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Smaller p46 and p60 edge shooters Based on honeyfarm syntheses. For higher periods there are conduits that take a Herschel as input (HSW47T214 with a repeat time of 127, HNE-27T176 with a repeat time of 134). p46: Code: Select all x = 63, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory 15.B.9B.B$13.2BA3B2A9B.B$12.B2ABAB3A12B$11.2BA4B3A12B2.B.6BA2B.B3.4B$10.A2BA3BA25BA2B2A2B.4B$8.3A3B3A25BA5BA5B2A$7.A23.12BABA2B2A4B2A$6.A.
3A3B3A26BA3B2A4B.B$5.A.A2.A2BA3BA27B3A5B$5.A.A3.2BA4B3A12B$4.2A.2A3.B 2ABAB3A10B.13B3A5B$3.3B.3B3.2BA3B2A22BA3B2A4B.B$2.BA2B.2BAB4.B.8BA3B 2.12BABA2B2A4B2A$.B3AB.B3AB12.BABA3.11BA5BA5B2A$.2A2BA.A2B2A11.2B2A6. 10BA2B2A2B.4B$B2AB2A.2AB2AB9.4B9.B.6BA2B.B3.4B$.3B2A.2A3B9.4B$2BABAB.
BABA2B7.4B$BA2BAB.BA2BAB6.4B$4BAB.BA4B5.4B$BABA2B.2BABAB4.4B$2BA3B.3B
A2B3.4B$6B.6B2.4B$6B.6B.A3B$6B.2BA3BA3B$6B.BABA2B3A5.2A$.5B.8B5.B2AB$
6BA5BA3B5.4B$.8BA7B5.2B$.5B2A3B2A.4B3.3B$2.4B.5B3.4B.5B5.2A$13B3.5B3A
2B4.A$6B.5B5.3BA3BAB.BA.A$4B2.2A3B2A5.BA5BA.B2A8.2A$2B2AB.3BA3B3.2BA 3BA3BAB6.A.A2.A$2.2A2.A5BA3.2BA2BABA2BAB4.3A.2A$8.3B5.2BA3BA3BAB3.A4. B$8.ABA3.2AB.BA5BA3B3.3AB2AB3.B.9B.B3.A2BA$9.A3.A.AB3.A3BA5B4.A.2AB. 8B3A6B.A3B$13.A6.B3A2B.4B5.11BA4BA9BA$12.2A5.5B4.4B6.8BA5BA8B2A$19.6B
4.4B4.10BA8BA3B.B$18.6B6.4B2.12B2A8B2A$14.B2.3BA3B7.2B2A.6B$12.7BABA 2B8.BABA12B2A8B2A$12.7BABA2B9.A13BA8BA3B.B$11.9BA3B10.12BA5BA8B2A$11.
11B.B2A9.12BA4BA9BA$12.9B2.BA.A9.12B3A6B.A3B$12.7B7.A12.2B.B.9B.B3.A
2BA$13.3BA2B7.2A11.2B$14.ABAB16.3B.B.3B.9B.B3.4B$15.2A2B15.10B2A11B. 4B$16.4B12.11BABA15B2A$17.4B10.11B2ABA15B2A$18.4B10.11B2A15B.B$19.4B 11.10BA15B$20.4B10.3B.B.3B$21.4B12.7BA15B$22.4B9.B.6B2A15B.B$23.4B7. 2A6B2ABA15B2A$24.3BA6.2A7BABA15B2A$25.3BA6.4B.4B2A11B.4B$26.3A6.4B3.B
.9B.B3.4B!


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x = 75, y = 76, rule = LifeHistory
6.A4.4B$5.A.A4.4B$5.A.A5.4B$4.2A.2A5.4B$3.3B.3B5.4B$2.4B.4B5.4B$.5B.
5B5.4B$.5B.5B6.4B$6B.6B6.4B$.5B.5B8.4B$6B.6B8.4B$6B.6B9.4B$6B.6B10.4B
$6B.6B11.4B$6B.6B12.4B$6B.6B13.4B$2BA3B.3BA2B14.4B$B4AB.B4AB15.4B$BA
3BA.A3BAB16.4B$.BA2BA.A2BAB18.4B$2B3AB.B3A2B18.4B$.11B20.4B$.11B21.4B
$.13B2.B.9B.B5.4B$.17B2A11B4.4B$.15B2AB2A11B4.4B$.15BA2BA13B4.4B$16BA 2BA13BA4.4B$.16B2A14B3A3.4B$2.5B.7B21.A3.4B$3.B2A2.9B2A14B3A5.4B$4.2A 3.7BA2BA13BA8.4B$8.8BA2BA13B10.4B$9.7B2AB2A11B12.4B$9.9B2A11B14.4B$12.5B.9B.B17.4B$13.4B30.4B$14.4B30.4B$15.4B8.2A20.4B$16.3BA6.B2AB15.A 4.4B$17.ABAB6.4B13.A.A4.4B$18.2A2B6.2B14.A.A5.4B$19.4B4.3B13.2A.2A5.
4B$20.4B2.5B5.2A4.BAB.BAB5.4B$21.4B.6B4.A4.3AB.B3A5.4B$22.6BA3B.BA.A 3.A2BAB.BA2BA5.4B$23.4BABA2B.B2A4.4BA.A4B6.4B$22.4BA3BA3B5.B2A3B.3B2A B6.4B$22.4BA3BA3B6.2A3B.3B2A8.4B$22.4BA3BA3B5.4BAB.BA4B8.4B$20.2AB.3B
ABA4B5.4B2A.2A4B9.4B$19.A.AB3.2BA4B6.2B3AB.B3A2B10.4B$19.A6.6B7.2B2A
2B.2B2A2B11.4B$18.2A5.8B6.2BA3B.3BA2B12.4B$25.9B5.6B.6B13.4B$24.6B.4B 4.6B.6B14.4B$20.B2.3BA3B2.4B3.6B.6B15.4B$18.7BABA2B3.4B2.6B.6B16.4B$
18.7BABA2B4.4B2.5B.5B18.4B$17.9BA3B5.10B.6B18.4B$17.11B.B2A4.2B2A5B.
5B20.4B$18.9B2.BA.A4.2A12B21.3B$18.3BA3B7.A5.BA12B21.2B$19.ABA3B7.2A 5.13B2.B.9B.B7.B$20.2A2B16.4B2A19B2ABA$21.4B15.3BA4B2ABA8B3A2B2A2BA$
22.4B14.3BA3B2ABA10B2A6BAB$23.4B15.B.BA5BA10B3A3B4A$24.4B18.A2B2A12BA
3BA3B3A$25.4B16.3BA5B20.A$26.4B13.2A18BA3BA3B3A$27.4B12.2A17B3A3B4A$
28.4B12.17B2A6BAB$29.3BA12.15B3A2B2A2BA$30.3BA12.19B2ABA$31.3A13.B6.B .9B.B! [code] p60: x = 61, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory 10.A5.4B$8.3A6.4B$7.A10.4B$7.2A10.4B$5.4B11.4B$4.3B14.4B$3.B3A2B13.4B$3.B3AB10.B4.4B$2.BA3BAB7.BA2B4.4B$2.7B5.B2A3B5.4B$2.2A3B2A3.2B3A4BA 4.4B$2.7B2.2B.B2A2BA2B5.4B$2.7B.2BAB.2BA.2B.BA4.4B$2.7B2.3AB.4A.3B5.
4B$3.5B2.B3ABA4.ABA3B4.4B$2.3A3B2.A3B2A.2A.A.5B4.4B$3.3B2A6B.A.2A.2A 3BA6.4B$3.3B3A.3BABA4.AB3AB7.4B$2.5B2A3.3B.4A.B3A9.4B$2.2B.ABAB3.AB.
2B.A2B.BAB10.4B$.4B2A2B5.2BA2B2AB.B12.4B$.9B4.A4B3AB14.4B$11B5.3B2AB 16.4B$2A3B2A.4B4.2BAB19.4B$2A3B2A2.4B4.B22.4B$7B3.2BAB9.2A16.4B$2B3A 2B4.2B2A7.B2AB16.4B$2B3A2B5.2A2B7.4B16.4B$.2BA2B7.4B7.2B18.4B$.5B8.4B
5.3B19.4B$2.3B10.4B3.5B5.2A12.4B$3.4B9.4B2.6B4.A14.4B$5.2A10.4B.6B.BA .A15.4B$5.A12.8BAB.B2A13.B3.4B$6.3A9.8BA3B13.A3B3.4B$8.A9.7BA4B11.A2B
A2B4.4B$18.10BAB10.BA2BA4B3.4B$16.2AB.7B2AB9.B.A2BA4B4.4B$15.A.AB3.7B 9.3A.A2B.AB.2B3.4B$15.A6.7B9.3BA.4A.3B4.4B$14.2A5.9B7.A4BA4.2A4B3.4B$
21.10B6.B3ABA.2A.A.5B3.4B$20.6B2.2B2A4.5B.A.2A.AB3AB5.3B$16.B2.4B2AB
3.BABA4.4B2A4.A4BA6.2B$14.7B4AB4.A3B5.3B.4A.A3B8.B$14.6BA3BAB5.4B4.2B
.BA.2BA.3A$13.7BA5B6.4B5.4BA2BA.B$13.7B2A2B.B2A5.4B4.4BA2BAB$14.8BA2. BA.A5.4B5.2BA2BA$14.7B7.A6.4B4.3BA12.2A$15.6B7.2A6.4B4.B14.A$16.4B4.
2A11.8B2.3BA2B3.BA.A$17.4B4.A12.9B4A4B.B2A$18.4B3.A.2A4.B2A10B4A7B$19.4B3.A2B2.3BABA9BA2BA7B$20.4B4.2BA4B3A3B.4B4A6B$21.4B3.A2BA4B3A8B4A 4B$22.3BA3.2A4B3A5B2.B.3BA2B$23.3BA4.3BABA4B$24.3AB5.B2A3B!

In the pattern below the bottom gun can be advanced by 1 tick:

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x = 50, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
18.B4.5BA$16.11BABAB$16.10BA3B2AB2.B.B2A3B$15.2A9BA3BAB2A4BABA4B$15.
2AB.7BA3BA.3A4B3A5B$16.B4.6BABAB2A2BA4B3A4B$23.5BA4B2A4B3A5B$28.10BAB A6B.2A$27.8B2.B2A3B.2BA2.A$26.4B4.A10.B3A$25.4B4.A2BA8.B$24.4B5.3BA2B 7.3A$23.4B4.A5BA2B7.A.A$22.4B5.3A3B2A.B4.A3.A$21.4B4.2A.AB.2BA.A2B3.
4A$20.4B5.B2A.4A.3AB$19.4B4.A2BABA4.A3B2A4.2A$18.A3B4.A4B.A.2A.A5B4. 2A$10.2A5.A3B6.5BA.2A.A.4BA$9.B2AB3.B3A7.2A3BA4.ABA2BA$10.4B.4B9.B3A.
4A.2AB$11.2B.4B10.2BA.A2B.BA.2A$10.7B12.B.2A3B3A$9.7B3.2A9.2BA5BA$9.
6B4.A11.2BA3B$9.6B.BA.A13.A2BA$7.8B.B2A16.A$5.9BA3B17.B$5.9BA2B16.4B$5.8BA3B14.3B2AB$3.2AB.10B13.4BABA2B$2.A.AB3.8B12.B.3B3A2B$2.A6.9B10.
3B.3B.BA.2B$.2A5.5B2.4B9.4B.4A.A2B$8.6B2.4B7.5BA4.AB2A2B$7.6B4.2B2A6. B3ABA.2A.A.ABA2B$3.B2.2BA4B5.BABA4.2BABA.A.2A.AB3AB4.2A$.5B2ABABAB6.A 3B4.2B2ABA4.A5B4.2A$.4BA5BAB7.4B5.2BA.4A.4B$5BA7B8.4B4.2B.AB.3B.3B3. 4A$5B2A4B.B2A7.4B5.2B3A3B.B4.A3.A$.6B2AB2.BA.A7.4B4.2BABA4B7.A.A$.7B
7.A8.4B5.B2A3B7.3A$2.6B7.2A8.4B4.4B8.B$3.4B19.4B4.B10.B3A$4.4B7.2A10. 8B2.A5B.2BA2.A$5.4B7.A11.8BABA8B.2A$6.4B6.A.AB3.BABA8BAB2A8B$7.4B6.2A
B.3BA2BA6B2AB2A8B$8.4B7.8B2A2B.3BAB2A8B$9.4B6.6BA3B2A5BABA6B$10.3BA6. 7B2A4B2.B.A5B$11.3BA6.3BA2BA3B$12.3AB7.BABA2B!  Stable stop-and-go Will delay the input signal (the glider from the NE) by the period of the Herschel. The eater marked in yellow is taken from the HR49H conduit. Code: Select all x = 189, y = 110, rule = LifeHistory 134.2A11.A$133.B2AB9.A.A$134.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$133.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$133.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A12.2A$133.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A13.A$133.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.B A.A$134.13B2.A.AB2.A9.B.B2A$132.13B5.A.A2B.A7.4B$131.15B5.A2B.2A7.4B$131.8BABA4B4.3B10.5B14.2A$130.9BABA5B.B.2B11.6B12.B2A2B$130.15B2A12B 2.8B13.4B$129.11BA4BABA22B13.4B$128.12BA6BA21B13.4B$127.2AB3.12B3A12B
.7B13.7B$126.A2.A4.35B12.7B$125.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.7B2A$125.A7.6B 14.17B8.9B2A$124.2A6.9B14.15B.2B2.11B.B$131.4B4.2A15.29B$131.4B4.A16.
8B.20B$130.5B5.3A11.8B3.2B2A16B$127.9B6.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A16B$127.9B19.A 10.18B$127.9B16.3A12.B.3B.4B$127.10B15.A19.4B$126.12B33.BA2B$125.13B 8.2A22.2A2B$126.11B9.A22.2B2A$127.12B4.BA.A21.4B$127.15B.B2A10.A10.4B
$127.17B12.3A7.4B$127.17B15.A5.4B$124.B.17B15.2A4.4B$123.2A19B14.9B6.
2A$123.2AB.19B14.6B7.A$124.B4.20B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$129.36B4.A2.A$129.
9B.27B3.B2A$130.7B2.16B2A14B$130.7B2.16B2A13B$130.6B4.29B$130.7B10.2B
.B.17B$130.6B10.3B4.15B$129.7B6.2A.2BA5.15B$130.5B7.A.2BA.A5.13B$129.
6B8.A2.BA.A2.13B$128.9B7.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$127.7B.2A5.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$126. 4B5.A5.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$125.4B7.3A2.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$124.4B10.A3.A3. 2A2.A.A9.3B$28.A11.2A81.4B23.A.A9.B2AB$27.A.A9.2BAB79.4B25.A11.2A$9.
2A8.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B79.4B$8.B2AB6.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B77.4B$9.3B6.A.A3.A.
A2.B8.ABA2B76.4B$8.B.B8.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B75.4B$8.5B8.A3.A.A.2A4.A2BA3BA
74.4B$8.6B6.A2.BA.A2.5BABA4BA74.4B$7.6B6.A.2BA.A5.2B3A8B71.4B$6.7B6. 2A.2BA5.2B2A11B69.4B$7.6B10.3B4.3B2A3BA6B68.4B$7.7B10.2B.B.8BA8B66.4B$7.6B4.20B2A7B65.4B$7.7B2.6B2A14BA8B63.4B$7.7B2.5BABA24B61.4B$6.9B.BA 5BA19B3.B2A59.4B$6.8B2A2BA23B4.A2.A57.4B$.B4.7BA5BA6B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A. A55.A3B$2AB.8B2AB2A6B14.6B7.A54.BABA$2A11B4A3BA14.9B6.2A52.2B2A$.B.
11BA4BA15.2A4.4B58.4B$4.12B3A2B15.A5.4B26.A29.4B$4.12BA4B12.3A7.2B2A
23.3A28.4B$4.15B.B2A10.A10.BABA21.A30.4B$4.12B4.BA.A21.A3B20.2A28.4B$3.11B9.A22.4B17.4B27.4B$2.13B8.2A22.4B15.3B28.4B$3.12B33.4B14.BA2B26. 4B$4.10B15.A19.4B12.2B3A16.E8.4B$4.9B16.3A12.B.3B.4B11.2B3AB13.3E7.4B$4.9B19.A10.6B2ABA8B2.8B5.2E5.E9.4B$4.9B6.A11.2A3.B5.2B3A2B2A2BA18B2. 3E.E4.2E7.4B$7.5B5.3A11.8B3.3B2A6BA17B2.E4.E2.4B6.4B$8.4B4.A16.8B.4B 2A4B2A8B.7B4.3E.E.2EB7.4B$8.4B4.2A15.18BA19B5.E.E2BEB6.4B$.2A6.9B14. 15B.2A2.19B6.2B2EB6.4B$2.A7.6B14.17B8.17B5.4B6.4B$2.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2. 19B11.15B.2B2.4B5.4B$3.A2.A4.12BA3B2A17B12.15B3A7B2.4B$4.2AB3.7B4A3BA B2ABA7B.7B13.8B.4BA3B2A11B$5.10BA6BABA4B2A15B10.8B3.4BABA2B2A4B2A3B$6.10BA3BA2B3A2B2A17B9.2A3.B5.3BA5BA5B2A3B5.7B.B$7.9B4A4B2A10B2.5BA2B
11.A10.3BA2B2A11B5.13B.B$7.17B.B.2B11.B2A3B8.3A.B10.2BA2B.B.2BD35B2.B$8.15B4.3B10.B3AB9.A14.B7.2B2D34B.B2A$8.15B5.A2B.2A7.4B32.B2D37B2A$9.
13B5.A.A2B.A7.4B32.17B2A19B.2B$11.13B2.A.AB2.A9.B.B2A31.16B2A19B$10.
8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.BA.A31.B2.19B3.2B2.6B$10.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A13.A34.2B3.B2. 10B$10.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A12.2A34.AB6.6B$10.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A47.A.A7.3B$
11.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A48.2A8.B$10.B2AB9.A.A65.2A$11.2A11.A66.A$92.3A$94.A!


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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

H-to-G3:

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x = 48, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10bo$10b3o$13bo19bo$12b2o17b3o$30bo$30b2o$38b2o$38bo$36bobo$30bo5b2o$
4b2o24bo$5bo24b3o$5bobo24bo$6b2o3$o$3o$3bo$2b2o7$bo$bobo32bo$b3o31bobo
$3bo15b2o13bo2bo$19b2o14b2o$10b2o3bo28b2o$11bo4b2o26bobo$8b3o3b2o30bo$
8bo7bo29b2o2$24b2o$25bo$22b3o$22bo!

Bx222 IS MY WORST ENEMY.

Also, please apgsearch B34t5y7/S23 (B-life)

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

this periodic oscillator... is known?

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x = 58, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
4$22.2A15.4B$15.2A3.2B2AB13.5B$14.B2AB2.4B14.3A2B$15.2B3.6B.B9.B3A2B$16.2B2.10B6.2B3AB$15.2B2A11B4.B3A2B6.2A$12.B.3B2A12B2.2B3AB6.B2AB$11.
2A18B2.2B3A8.2B$11.2AB.15B2.6B9.2B3.B$12.B2.22B9.4B.B2A$16.18B.B8.8B 2A$16.3B2A15B2.2B2.6B2AB.B$8.2B7.31B2A$8.3B7.7B.24B$6.2B3A7.6B2.28B$
6.2B3AB5.7B.29B$7.B3A.B4.6B.29B2A$9.2B3AB3.9B5.6B.14B2A$10.B3A2B2.8B 4.4B.4B2.11B.B$11.3A11B3.2A4B2.4B2.10B$11.5B.7B2.2BA6B2.14B$12.15B2A
2B3AB3.14B$14.4B3A6BA.2BA.3A2.13B$15.5BA2B.3B2ABA4BA2.13B$12.2B.4B3AB .5BA.A5B.B3A4B.2B$10.13B2.A4BAB2A3B.2BA4B$10.13B2.3A.A2B.A6B3A2B$9.
14B3.B3A2B2A10B.4B$10.14B2.6BA2B2.7B.5B$9.10B3.3B2.4B2A3.11B3A$7.B. 11B2.4B.4B4.8B2.2B3AB$6.2A14B.6B5.9B3.B3A.B$6.2A29B.6B4.2B3AB$7.29B.
7B5.B3A2B$7.28B2.6B7.3A2B$11.24B.7B7.3B$11.2A31B7.2B$8.B.B2A6B2.2B2.
15B2A2B$7.2A8B8.B.18B$7.2AB.4B9.21B3.B$8.B3.2B9.6B2.15B.B2A$13.2B8.3A
2B2.18B2A$12.B2AB6.B3A2B2.12B2A3B.B$13.2A6.B.3AB4.11B2A2B$19.B3A2B6. 10B2.2B$18.2B3AB9.B.6B3.2B$18.2B3A14.4B2.B2AB$20.3B13.B2A2B3.2A$20.2B 15.2A!  calcyman Posts: 2247 Joined: June 1st, 2009, 4:32 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Jormungant wrote: July 17th, 2020, 6:30 pm this periodic oscillator... is known? Yes, I (re?) discovered it when trying to find the legendary p64 oscillator that appears to be permanently lost: Dean Hickerson wrote: Noam Elkies wrote: Dave Buckingham wrote:This was the first period independent B-heptomino turn and yielded the P256 gun (as shown), but since the released gliders pass through the mechanism, this is the only period glider gun possible (with a Figure 8, the gliders can be removed, and 4 B's cycled, but defeats the purpose). Ergo, still no period 64 gun! Wait a minute -- that seems to indicate that you *did* have a P64 oscillator at this time, made of 4 B's and and 4 90-degree turns each composed of four blocks and a Figure 8. At that time, no P64 oscillator was known at all; my attempts to construct one along those lines failed. Even now with the full b7 toolkit this would be the simplest P64 oscillator. What does it look like? I'm puzzled about this too. For a while I thought he might have meant a Kok's galaxy rather than a figure 8: A galaxy will fit in the middle of the 'p64'; there are timings that delete the gliders and other timings that let the B-heptominos pass unharmed, but none that do both. Bill Gosper wrote: Mark Niemiec wrote: At one point DJB intimated that he did have a gliderless P64 oscillator, but never showed it to me. I'll have to ask him if he still has it. He told me about it (and all the guns) by phone in July, which is how long I've been biting my tongue. He said the p64 was the squarest oscillator he ever saw. I found the p128 but had no luck rediscovering the elusive p64. What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic! Jormungant Posts: 218 Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries "He said the p64 was the squarest oscillator he ever saw". squarest eh? is it this one that got discovered recently, or ith as to be rotation symmetric H-track? Code: Select all x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23 3$17b2o$17b2o2$14bo$13bobo$3b2o8bobo$3b2o9bo2$11bo$10b3o$10bo5bo$14b3o$15bo2$12bo9b2o$11bobo8b2o$11bobo$12bo2$8b2o$8b2o!

now... there is a p16 that won over the "squarest oscillator" title for sure

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
10b2o3b2o$10b2o3b2o$6bo$2o3b2o$2o2bo10bo$5bo3b2o2b2obo$5bo3bo6b2o2$2o$
2o3bo7b2o$5b2o7bo3b2o$18b2o2$2b2o6bo3bo$3bob2o2b2o3bo$4bo10bo2b2o$13b
2o3b2o$13bo$3b2o3b2o$3b2o3b2o!  In any case, I guess I was wondering if there is a way to fix the following: Code: Select all x = 116, y = 69, rule = LifeHistory 75.6B$76.6B$75.6B$76.6B$45.2A9.2A17.6B$45.A11.A18.6B$46.A9.A18.6B$45.
2A9.2A18.6B$43.BA4.A3.A4.AB15.6B$42.2B6A3.6A2B15.6B$43.A.B11.B.A15.6B$44.A2BA7.A2BA17.6B$44.B.A.A2.A2.A.A.B16.6B$42.3A.A.7A.A.3A15.6B$41.A 2.2ABA7.AB2A2.A13.6B$41.2A.B2A2B2A.2A2B2AB.2A14.6B$27.2A15.3BA2.A.A2. A3B16.6B$20.2A3.2B2AB14.B4A.A.A.4AB17.6B$19.B2AB2.4B15.A.A3BA.A3BA.A 16.6B$20.2B3.6B.B11.B2A3B3.3B2AB17.6B$21.2B2.10B.B8.2BA.5A.A2B17.6B$
20.15B.B5.B4.B7AB20.6B$17.B.15B2A13.5B14.B6.6B$16.2A4B4ABA6B2A13.5B
13.3B6.6B$16.2AB.7BAB3A3B2.B12.4B11.3B3A4.7B$17.B2.7BAB2A7B2.2C8.4B5.
4B2.2B3A2B3.8B$21.17B2.B7.7B2.10BA3B2ABA4B2A3B$21.BA2BA13BAB2.2B2.20B
A3B2A2BA2BAB2A3B$13.2B7.A16BA34B2A2BA3BA3B$13.3A7.3BA3B.8BA24BA3B2A4B
2A2B3A2BA3B$11.BA3B7.A2BA2B2.33BAB3A2B3A6B2ABA3B$11.BA3BA5.2B3A2B.12B
2A22B2ABABA6BA2BABA3B3.2A3.2A5.2B$12.A2BA.A4.6B.12BA12B.B5.17B2A2BA7B 2AB2.2AB2.BA4B$14.ABA2BA3.9B5.6B.9B10.B2.3BABA7B3A10B4.3B2A5B$15.A3BA B2.8B4.4B.4B2.8B12.B2ABA14B.10B.2B2A4B2A$16.3BA10B3.6B2.4B2.7B12.A4BA
11B4.6B2A4B2A4B2A$16.3A2B.7B2.BAB2AB2AB2.17B7.A3BA13B4.A3B2A.3A2B2A2B .B$17.14B2AB2A2B2A3.15BAB7.4AB.11B4.B4A3B2A3B2AB$19.12BAB.3B.3B2.14BA BA7.4B2.12B4.3A3B2.4B.AB$20.8B.9B2AB2.13BA3BA13.4B.2BA3B4.7B2.B.BA2B.
2A$17.2B.8B.2B2A2B.2B2A2B.8B.3B.BA2B.A17.BABA2B3.4B2AB5.2AB.B2A$15.
13B2.B2A9B.7B8.A3BAB16.2A2B3.2AB.B2A5.B2A4B$15.13B2.3B.3B.BA10B9.A3BA B17.B4.2A.2BAB.B2.7B$14.14B3.2A2B2AB2A9B.4B6.ABA2B25.BA.4B2.3B3A$15. 14B2.B2AB2ABAB2.7B.2B3A5.BAB27.B2A3B2A3B4AB$14.10B3.3B2.6B3.10BA3B6.
2B25.B.2B2A2B3A.2A3BA$12.B.11B2.4B.4B4.8B2.BA3BA31.2A4B2A4B2A6B$11.2A
14B.6B5.9B3.A2BA.A30.2A4B2A2B.9B$11.2A16BA12B.6B4.ABA2BA29.5B2A3B4.4B$12.15B2A12B.2B3A2B5.A3BAB28.4BAB2.B2A2.B2A2B$12.28B2.2BA2BA7.3BAB30. 2B5.2A3.2A$16.15BA8B.3BA3B7.3A$16.2A13BA16BA7.2B$13.B.B2A6B2.2B2.BA
13BA2BA$12.2A8B8.B.18B$12.2AB.4B9.11B2ABA6B3.B$13.B3.2B9.3A3B2.3B3ABA 7B.B2A$18.2B8.3BAB2.2A6BAB4A4B2A$17.B2AB6.A3BAB2.2A15B.B$18.2A6.A.A2B
A4.15B$24.A2BABA6.10B2.2B$23.BA3BA9.B.6B3.2B$23.BA3B14.4B2.B2AB$25.3A
obobobobo2bo$2o3bo2bobobobo2bo2bo!  Ian07 Posts: 578 Joined: September 22nd, 2018, 8:48 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries VadeveSi wrote: July 18th, 2020, 4:38 pm Furthermore, on Achim Flammenkamp's webpage (http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/orphan_11th.html), it states that there is a 12th Garden, however the link to it is dead. Achim probably just put the link there as a placeholder for when GoE12 gets discovered, and the page it links to hasn't actually been made yet. For example, here's an archived version of the orphan_9th page from August 28, 2016 which already displays the "YES" link to orphan_10th, despite orphan_10th not being discovered until a few weeks later on September 16. VadeveSi Posts: 6 Joined: April 29th, 2020, 1:00 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Wow, that is amazing!!! This 45-cell Garden of Eden was known to be the smallest one for 11 years: Is there a way to be 100% sure that it is indeed a Garden of Eden and not just an error by me? Ian07 Posts: 578 Joined: September 22nd, 2018, 8:48 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries VadeveSi wrote: July 18th, 2020, 4:59 pm Is there a way to be 100% sure that it is indeed a Garden of Eden and not just an error by me? Unfortunately it's not, as A for awesome posted this predecessor on Discord: Code: Select all x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23 6bobo2bo$3bobo4bo$4b8o2bo$5b6obo$3bobo2bob4o$bo2bobo2b5o$ob2o2b2o2bob o$bo3bobo3b2obo$2bo3bobo2b2o$bob3o5b2o$2ob2o2b3ob4o$3obob7o$bo2b2obob 2o$bo2b3o$5bo$5bo!

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Ian07 wrote:
July 18th, 2020, 5:07 pm
July 18th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Is there a way to be 100% sure that it is indeed a Garden of Eden and not just an error by me?
Unfortunately it's not, as A for awesome posted this predecessor on Discord:

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x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2bo$3bobo4bo$4b8o2bo$5b6obo$3bobo2bob4o$bo2bobo2b5o$ob2o2b2o2bob
o$bo3bobo3b2obo$2bo3bobo2b2o$bob3o5b2o$2ob2o2b3ob4o$3obob7o$bo2b2obob
2o$bo2b3o$5bo$5bo! Aww man I was so socially awkward in the past and it will haunt me for my entire life. Code: Select all x = 21, y = 5, rule = B3/S23 b2o2bo2b2o2b2o2bobobo$o3bobobobobobobobobo$bo2bobob2o2b2o3bo2bo$2bobob
obobobobo2bo$2o3bo2bobobobo2bo2bo!  A for awesome Posts: 2077 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: Pembina University, Home of the Gliders Contact: ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Ian07 wrote: July 18th, 2020, 5:07 pm VadeveSi wrote: July 18th, 2020, 4:59 pm Is there a way to be 100% sure that it is indeed a Garden of Eden and not just an error by me? Unfortunately it's not, as A for awesome posted this predecessor on Discord: Code: Select all rle Anyway, here's a much better example parent (found with JLS): Code: Select all x = 14, y = 8, rule = B3/S23 bob2obo2bo$2b4o2bo$obo2bob3o$2bo2bo2bo2bo$4bobo4bo$bob2o2b3obobo$2bo2b obo3bo$o2bo9bo!
By any chance were you either checking only predecessors that fit within the same bounding box, or checking only predecessors that fit within a bounding box one larger on all sides? Trying either of those while setting an all-off background elsewhere gives no solutions for me with JLS, but expanding it one larger gives the above one. For Garden of Eden/orphan–checking searches, it's often better to set unchecked cells (with U) to surround the pattern rather than off cells, to rule out local predecessors that leave more distant junk (or you can leave a four-cell — if I remember right — border around everything if you'd rather, but the search will take longer [EDIT: no, this doesn't work, please disregard it]).
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praosylen#5847 (Discord)

x₁=ηx
V*_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Ian07 wrote:
July 18th, 2020, 5:07 pm
Unfortunately it's not, as A for awesome posted this predecessor on Discord:

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x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
6bobo2bo$3bobo4bo$4b8o2bo$5b6obo$3bobo2bob4o$bo2bobo2b5o$ob2o2b2o2bob
o$bo3bobo3b2obo$2bo3bobo2b2o$bob3o5b2o$2ob2o2b3ob4o$3obob7o$bo2b2obob
2o$bo2b3o$5bo$5bo! Ah, well there is my mistake: I assumed that checking for a parent in a bounding box one cell larger in every direction was enough. At least now that this is incorrect, which really increases the complexity of the problem even further. Thanks for checking! Macbi Posts: 750 Joined: March 29th, 2009, 4:58 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries VadeveSi wrote: July 18th, 2020, 5:17 pm Ian07 wrote: July 18th, 2020, 5:07 pm Unfortunately it's not, as A for awesome posted this predecessor on Discord: Code: Select all x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23 6bobo2bo$3bobo4bo$4b8o2bo$5b6obo$3bobo2bob4o$bo2bobo2b5o$ob2o2b2o2bob o$bo3bobo3b2obo$2bo3bobo2b2o$bob3o5b2o$2ob2o2b3ob4o$3obob7o$bo2b2obob 2o$bo2b3o$5bo$5bo!
Ah, well there is my mistake: I assumed that checking for a parent in a bounding box one cell larger in every direction was enough.
At least now that this is incorrect, which really increases the complexity of the problem even further.
See here if you want to know the sure way to check whether something is a GoE.

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

p128 gun / Hershel producer

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x = 84, y = 77, rule = LifeHistory
61.4B$62.4B$63.4B$64.4B8.2A$65.4B6.A2.A$66.4B2.BA2.A.A$60.A6.4B.B4A.
2A$42.2A9.2A5.3A5.5B6.A$42.A11.A8.A4.4B.B.4A$43.A9.A8.2A4.7BA$42.2A9.
2A7.14B.2A$25.2B13.BA4.A3.A4.AB7.10B4.A$24.BAB12.2B6A3.6A2B4.13B3.A.A
$24.3A2B11.A.B11.B.A5.14B3.2A$23.AB3AB12.A2BA7.A2BA6.13B$22.A.2BAB13. B.A.A2.A2.A.A.B6.13B$20.BA2B.A13.3A.A.7A.A.3A4.12B$19.B3ABA13.A2.2ABA 7.AB2A2.A4.12B$19.2B3A14.2A.B2A2B2A.2A2B2AB.2A3.14B$21.BAB17.3BA2.A.A 2.A3B6.14B$21.2B18.B4A.A.A.4AB7.12B$20.B16.B3.A.A3BA.A3BA.A7.12B$19.
4B14.B3.B2A3B3.3B2AB7.11B$17.7B13.B4.2BA.5A.A2B5.13B$15.9B4.4B7.B4.B
7AB6.2A12B$14.11B.5B2A13.5B8.2A13B$7.4B4.16B2AB12.5B8.5B2A3B2A3B$7.6B 4.4B2A3B2A6B13.4B8.5BABA2BABA2B$6.6AB2A2.2B2AB4ABA6B13.4B6.9B2A3B2AB$6.6AB2A2B.B2A4B2A8B10.7B2.13B2A2BA2B$5.3B.3B.2A3B.2A4BA12B2.2B2.13BD
10B3A3B2.A$5.B2A5B2A2B.3BA2BA32BDBD4B.4BA4B.A.A$4.2B2A2B.2B2A2B3.B3A
3B.29B3D4B2.B.6B2.A$4.2B2A5B2AB4.6B2.31BD4B5.5B$4.2B2A.3B.3B3.7B.26BA
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Jormungant wrote:
July 27th, 2020, 10:41 am
p128 gun / Hershel producer :D ...
Tricky! I sure wouldn't have bet on that block+glider cleanup working, especially in time to repeat at p128.

Since this is "unsure discoveries", and I wasn't sure where this technology came from, I went back and looked. The Herschel splitter is at least as old as a 2003 gun by David Eppstein (center, below).

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x = 289, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
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.7B.3B.2B.15B15.4B.B2A$41.2B113.27B17.2B3.B$156.18B.8B16.2B$155.15B2A 2B3.8B13.B2AB$156.14B2A2B5.B3.2A14.2A$157.16B10.A$160.2B3.B.3B.B12.3A
$160.2B24.A$158.6B$156.2B6A2B$154.3BA6BA3B$153.3BA8BA3B$154.3BA6BA3B$156.2B6A2B$158.6B$160.2B! The Herschels are lined up at T=0 to make it clear that the P4, P5, and P6 variants have the same basic geometry. I also replaced the blocker in the P4 version with a stable eater, since it fits -- though I'm not really clear why that would be an improvement. I forget, has this p4 variant of the Herschel splitter been assembled before? GUYTU6J Posts: 1128 Joined: August 5th, 2016, 10:27 am Location: 拆哪！I repeat, CHINA! ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Wait, I'm a bit confused of the relationship — Code: Select all x = 126, y = 63, rule = B3/S23 37b3o$36bo$36bo3bo$36bo2bobo$20b4o14bobo2bo$16b2obo4bo14bo3bo$15bo3bo 4bo18bo$15bo4b2o18b3o65b2o$15bo2bo4b2o83b2o5b2o$15bo2bo3bo2bo65b3o21b
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19bo3bo14bo4bob2o$19bo2bobo14b4o$21bobo2bo$22bo3bo$26bo$23b3o!  According to the DRH-oscillators.rle, the p128 on the left was found by David Buckingham before November 1991. It features four copies of the dependent p8 variant of R64. So does that mean it probably inspired him to discover the stable, FNG-releasing R64 (and consequently the p256 glider gun) four years later? Code: Select all x = 33, y = 19, rule = B3/S23 4b2o$4b2o8bobo11b2o$15b2o11bobo$15bo14bo$30b2o$15b2o10b2obo$14bo2bo8bo bobobo$15bobo9bo3b2o$16bo4$3bob2o$b3ob2o13b2o$o19b2o$b3ob2o6b2o$3bobo
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

GUYTU6J wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:59 am
Wait, I'm a bit confused of the relationship —
...
According to the DRH-oscillators.rle, the p128 on the left was found by David Buckingham before November 1991. It features four copies of the dependent p8 variant of R64. So does that mean it probably inspired him to discover the stable, FNG-releasing R64 (and consequently the p256 glider gun) four years later?
I think that's right. Most of the story seems to be told in this article. The story actually started back in 1973 with Mark Niemiec (see second paragraph) (!).
At almost the same time in 1973, Mark Niemiec was investigating appearance of known common forms (B, R, Lom, Pi, etc) within the histories of these same objects. He showed me a listing of the most promising observation: a B-heptomino run to 70 generations (quite a feat in those days!), where he had highlighted the evolution of a new B-heptomino at generation 64, turned 90 degrees. And since the B-heptomino releases a natural glider in generation 41, period 64, 128, and 256 guns appeared to be an absolute certainty as soon as someone tamed the pesky debris behind this new B! But most work in those days was done manually (gasp!) and this was not a manual job.
In 1990/91,
Resurrecting Niemiec's old listing of the B-heptomino reproducing itself at generation 64, I set about to create the period 64 gun to start.

I needed a spark source and since most of the neat spark toys that exist now had yet to fall out the search programmes, only period 8 (and subperiods) was practical (Figure-8, Kok's Galaxy, Emulators, Mold, Mazing).

With these tools, the new B-heptomino was quickly isolated, but the new (and unanticipated challenge was to remove the block created by the B-heptomino at generation 15. Adding to this distress, the new B-heptomino makes such a sharp turn that removal of debris block from the previous B-heptomino at generation 57 becomes a problem. Ok, the debris removal process would need to remove the two blocks and the residual debris from the turn reaction.

After a few weeks work, the reaction is found, the P64 gun constructed and lo and behold, the glider produced by each B at generation 41 smashes into one of the Galaxys used. Sheesh, I forgot that the glider passes back through the mechanism! No problem, we'll just find another way to turn a B-heptomino and use these two in combination. More work and the elegant sparking of a B-heptomino to produce the P73 glide symmetry turn; debris dies cleanly, while removing the generation 15 block, and the glider produced by the B removes the block from the previous B. This time we'll test a quarter of the mechanism before building the whole thing. Now the glider just nicks the figure-8 for the P73 turn. Even more work, a P64 turn that removes the debris, both blocks, and the glider.
Then 1995:
Attempts to produce period-independent track pieces (bounded only by still lifes) had failed over the previous 23 years to yield much of anything useful. Suddenly (clouds open, sun shines, angels sing) a fluke placement of a block (and subsequent stabilizing blocks), produces the period 64 B-heptomino turn dreamt of in 1973 (as classy and elegant as it was supposed to be). This was the first period independent B-heptomino turn and yielded the P256 gun ... but since the released gliders pass through the mechanism, this is the only period glider gun possible (with a Figure 8, the gliders can be removed, and 4 B's cycled, but defeats the purpose). Ergo, still no period 64 gun!
I like the "clouds open, sun shines, angels sing" part. That kind of discovery doesn't show up very often, but it sure is awesome when it happens.

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

The one part of that story that seems a bit fuzzy to me is the date. I printed off that step-by-step listing of the B heptomino (which took up a lot of paper), but I thought it might have been on the University of Waterloo Math/Unix system, which would have put it more like 1975, but I'm sure Dave's recollection of the process is better than mine, as he was actively involved in the search for several decades. It may very well have been somewhere else; I just can't think of where it was that had a printer whose typeface was like that. I might still have that listing in a box somewhere. It's hard to remember details with great clarity that happened almost 50 years ago.

I remember noticing that the B turned 90 degrees after 64 generations (and, not only that, it made two Bs heading in opposite directions, although one looked much easier to save than than the other). I played with that for several weeks without any success. Of course, the initial block was a major obstacle. One of the key discoveries that Dave made that hadn't occurred to me was that instead of going B-to-B, one should go H-to-H (which is the preferred method today), which eliminates the block problem.