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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » October 21st, 2020, 2:42 pm

ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 2:04 pm
What's this eater called?

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x = 23, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
2A.A2.A.2A$2A.4A.2A2$2A.4A.2A$.A.A2.A.A$.A.A2.A.A$2A.4A.2A2$2A.4A.2A$
2A.A2.A.2A13$20.3C$20.C$21.C!
The Eater 2 has many variants, so I doubt that every single variant has its own name.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by ColorfulGalaxy » October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm

Eco-engine Siamese Eco-engine

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x = 32, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo4bo2bo
5bo$2bo4bo8bo4bo8bo!
A methuselah based on the Eco-engine. A natural TBS appeared at tick 955, but without the blocks.

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo7$9bo$8bobo$8bo
bo$9bo!
Another methuselah.

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo7$8b2o$8b2o!
Natural TBS in Methuselah.

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x = 18, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo6$18b3o$18bo$19b
o!
This one's mot a methuselah, but a puffer instead. For more info about this puffer, see the bottom of the code.

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x = 18, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo9$3o$2bo$bo!
1 glider + Eco Engine = Glider-producing Eco-engine.
A few notable differences:
The original Eco Engine only produces eleven gliders, while this glider-producing one produces an infinite number of gliders.
The pulsar at the end is missing.
The glider-producing one also produces an infinite number of BigSs.
R-pentomino reaction

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x = 18, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo4$2bo$b3o$2obo13b
o$3o13bo$b2o13bo3bo$16b4o!
Eco Engine + Pentadecathlon = Missing pulsar (?)

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x = 18, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo10$9bo$9bo2$9bo
$8bobo2$8b3o3$8b3o2$8bobo$9bo2$9bo$9bo!
Unknown reaction

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x = 18, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo3$9b3o$9bo$8b2o!
One cell difference

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x = 18, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo3$9b3o$9bo$8b3o!
Unknown reaction

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x = 18, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo6$8b3o$8bo2bo$7b
o!
The Glider-producing one came again.

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo6$b3o$o2bo$3bo$
3bo$2bo!
Last edited by ColorfulGalaxy on October 21st, 2020, 4:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeColorful
6E.2B$6E.2B$7.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D$2D.6C$2D.6C!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » October 21st, 2020, 4:37 pm

ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm
Eco-engine Siamese Eco-engine

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x = 32, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo4bo2bo
5bo$2bo4bo8bo4bo8bo!
I think that I also looked into that engine pair, including with different relative timings.
ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm
A methuselah based on the Eco-engine. A natural TBS appeared at tick 955, but without the blocks.

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo7$9bo$8bobo$8bo
bo$9bo!
Nice find. Is the ten-cell shape at generation 935 interacting with a dot spark, domino spark, or duoplet spark the most common source of natural twin bees?
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by ColorfulGalaxy » October 21st, 2020, 5:15 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:37 pm
ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 5:18 pm
Eco-engine Siamese Eco-engine

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x = 32, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo4bo2bo
5bo$2bo4bo8bo4bo8bo!
I think that I also looked into that engine pair, including with different relative timings.
ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm
A methuselah based on the Eco-engine. A natural TBS appeared at tick 955, but without the blocks.

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo7$9bo$8bobo$8bo
bo$9bo! [[ STOP 934 ]]
Nice find. Is the ten-cell shape at generation 935 interacting with a dot spark, domino spark, or duoplet spark the most common source of natural twin bees?
I'm not really sure yet.

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x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
13bo$6b3obo$6bobobo2b2o$5bo2bobo$6b2o6$18bo2$3bo$bobo$2o!
I edited your RLE
This could be the direct source.

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeColorful
6E.2B$6E.2B$7.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D$2D.6C$2D.6C!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » October 21st, 2020, 5:30 pm

ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 5:15 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:37 pm
Nice find. Is the ten-cell shape at generation 935 interacting with a dot spark, domino spark, or duoplet spark the most common source of natural twin bees?
I'm not really sure yet.

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x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
13bo$6b3obo$6bobobo2b2o$5bo2bobo$6b2o6$18bo2$3bo$bobo$2o!
I edited your RLE
This could be the direct source.
This looks like it could have potential for making a twin bees conduit, which would, among other things, allow stable circuitry with a p46 toggle gun feature. (Has something like that already been made for p30?) Instead of trying to make that shape then add a dot spark to it, we should try to make a honey farm predecessor then modify it in some way. Edgeshooting a blinker for this purpose seems challenging at best, but this looks promising.

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x = 5, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o2bo$2b2o2$2b2o$b2obo$2bobo$3bo!
If a table can be made instead of a beehive, then the reaction forms twin bees.

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x = 4, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
obo$3o2$3o$o2bo$2obo$2bo!
Also, another phrase is a couple of dot sparks behind a queen bee, and the phase is a couple of domino sparks behind the previous phase of the queen bee, so that avenue may also be worth investigating.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by ColorfulGalaxy » October 22nd, 2020, 1:10 am

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x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo7$9bo$8bobo$8bo
bo$9bo!

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x = 21, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo16$4bo8bo4bo$3b
o5bo2bo4bo$3bo6b3o4bo$3bo2bo10bo2bo$3b3o11b3o!
Last edited by ColorfulGalaxy on October 23rd, 2020, 1:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeColorful
6E.2B$6E.2B$7.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D5.2B$2D$2D.6C$2D.6C!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by yujh » October 22nd, 2020, 6:20 am

ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 4:13 pm

This one's mot a methuselah, but a puffer instead. For more info about this puffer, see the bottom of the code.

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x = 18, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
b3o11b3o$o2bo10bo2bo$3bo4b3o6bo$3bo4bo2bo5bo$2bo4bo8bo9$3o$2bo$bo!
1 glider + Eco Engine = Glider-producing Eco-engine.
A few notable differences:
The original Eco Engine only produces eleven gliders, while this glider-producing one produces an infinite number of gliders.
The pulsar at the end is missing.
The glider-producing one also produces an infinite number of BigSs.
People must have found it and it’s in golly.
I think a lot of us has done experiments like this.
B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!
Mission: find a rule with 2-5ob,7-15d,3-5o ships and 4 sparky hp osc.
B2ikn35j6i/S23-a8
B2ck3ar4ac5e6c7/S1e2-an3ejnr4air5iy6c7c8
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » October 22nd, 2020, 10:47 am

ColorfulGalaxy wrote:
October 21st, 2020, 5:15 pm
I'm not really sure yet.
I looked through some soups and found some other predecessors.

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3o$o2bo3$3o!

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x = 6, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
b2o2bo$o2b3o$b2o2bo!

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x = 11, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b2o3b2o$3o5b3o$bo7bo4$2b2o3b2o$3bo3bo!
The pre–∏ interacting with a blinker seems to be the most common, which makes sense because it requires the fewest cells and looks the most edgeshootable.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » October 31st, 2020, 4:22 pm

Here's a periodic R-to-G.

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x = 21, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory
7.D11.C$6.2D10.2C$6.D.D10.2C7$.2A$.2A5$.3A3.3A$.A2.A.A2.A$A3.A.A3.A$.A2.A.A2.A$3.A3.A$.2A5.2A$3A5.3A$3A5.3A14$.2A5.2A$.2A5.2A!


Edit: Here's another that I haven't cleaned up completely.

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x = 30, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
26.2A$26.2A5$16.D11.C$15.2D10.2C$15.D.D10.2C5$19.2A$2A15.2A2.A$.A7.A7.A3.A$.A.A3.2A.2A4.A4.A$2.2A10.A.3A.A$7.2A5.A3.A.A$6.A.A3.A5.2A$6.A.3A.A10.2A$5.A4.A4.2A.2A3.A.A$5.A3.A7.A7.A$5.A2.2A15.2A$6.2A!
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 5th, 2020, 9:55 pm

Jormungant wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 8:40 am
If you pick that century, just a little warning that it is something that is in 2 instances hidden within a well defined circuit. I did notice that it is related to the I-heptomino, and found the following links.

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x = 397, y = 663, rule = LifeHistory
83$208.34D$206.38D$206.38D$205.40D$205.40D$86.33D86.40D$84.39D82.40D$
84.41D81.38D$83.44D79.38D48.2BDB$83.45D80.34D49.3B2DB$83.46D91.10D61.
4B3D3B$83.47D90.10D60.7BD2B$84.47D89.10D60.12B$84.48D27.6D55.10D60.
12B$86.46D26.9D53.10D61.10B2A3.A$91.11D14.17D24.12D51.10D59.12B2A2.A.
A$91.11D17.14D24.13D50.10D58.12B.B3.A.A$91.11D19.13D23.15D48.10D46.2A
7.B3.11B4.2A.3A$91.11D20.12D23.17D46.10D47.A5.4B2.12B4.B4.A$91.11D21.
11D23.19D44.10D47.A.AB.5B.12B3.B2AB3A$91.11D21.11D23.21D42.10D48.2AB.
18B3.B2A.A$91.11D21.11D25.20D41.10D50.26B$91.11D21.12D25.21D39.10D49.
25B$91.11D21.12D27.21D37.10D49.27B$91.11D21.11D30.21D35.10D49.27B$91.
11D21.11D32.20D34.10D48.28B$91.11D20.12D9.45D32.10D47.29B$91.11D19.
13D9.47D30.10D47.29B$91.11D18.13D10.49D28.10D47.28B$91.11D16.15D10.
50D27.10D48.26B$91.11D13.18D10.52D25.10D50.B3D19B$91.41D11.54D23.10D
50.3BD14B$91.40D12.52D25.10D50.B3D15B$91.39D13.50D27.10D49.14B2.5B$
91.38D14.49D28.10D48.11B8.4B$91.37D15.47D30.10D48.12B.2B.3B.4B$91.36D
40.21D32.10D49.30B2.B$91.34D40.21D34.10D49.13B2A11BD7B$91.32D41.21D
35.10D50.7B2D3B2A9B3D7B$91.30D41.21D37.10D52.6BD14BDBD9B$91.27D42.21D
39.10D50.6B2D15BD11B$91.11D57.20D41.10D50.2A.3BD7B2.2B2.14BAB$91.11D
55.20D43.10D51.A2.9B10.10BABA$91.11D55.19D44.10D48.3A3.9B12.8BABA$91.
11D55.17D46.10D48.A4.8B15.8BA$91.11D55.15D34.38D38.2AB.4B15.10B$91.
11D55.13D35.40D36.A.AB.2B2AB14.9B$91.11D55.12D35.42D35.A6.2A15.8B$91.
11D56.9D37.42D34.2A24.7B$91.11D57.6D38.44D60.5B$86.29D88.44D61.2B$84.
33D87.42D$84.34D86.42D$83.35D87.40D$83.35D89.36D$83.35D$83.35D$84.34D
$84.33D$86.29D30$276.78D30$208.34D$206.38D$206.38D$205.40D$205.40D$
86.35D84.40D$85.40D80.40D$84.43D79.38D$83.45D78.38D$83.47D78.34D$83.
48D89.10D$83.49D88.10D$84.48D88.10D$85.48D26.6D55.10D$86.48D24.9D53.
10D$91.11D17.15D23.12D51.10D$91.11D19.13D23.13D50.10D$91.11D21.12D22.
15D48.10D$91.11D21.12D22.17D46.10D$91.11D22.11D22.19D44.10D$91.11D22.
11D22.21D42.10D62.D3B$91.11D21.12D24.20D41.10D60.2B2D2B$91.11D21.11D
26.21D39.10D60.3B3D$91.11D19.13D28.21D37.10D50.7B.7BD2B$91.11D18.14D
30.21D35.10D50.19B$91.11D15.16D33.20D34.10D48.D20B$91.42D10.45D32.10D
48.BD18B$91.41D11.47D30.10D47.2B2D17B$91.40D12.49D28.10D46.2B2D2B2A
13B2A$91.39D13.50D27.10D46.2BD3B2A13B2A$91.40D12.52D25.10D48.18B$91.
42D10.54D23.10D48.10B2.5B$91.43D9.52D25.10D49.6B5.7B$91.44D8.50D27.
10D50.3B8.B3.2A$91.45D7.49D28.10D50.B14.A$91.45D7.47D30.10D49.2A15.3A
$91.11D17.18D30.21D32.10D49.A18.A$91.11D20.16D27.21D34.10D50.A$91.11D
22.14D26.21D35.10D49.2A$91.11D23.13D24.21D37.10D$91.11D24.13D21.21D
39.10D$91.11D25.12D20.20D41.10D$91.11D26.11D18.20D43.10D$91.11D26.11D
18.19D44.10D$91.11D26.11D18.17D46.10D$91.11D26.11D18.15D34.38D$91.11D
26.11D18.13D35.40D$91.11D25.12D18.12D35.42D$91.11D24.13D19.9D37.42D$
91.11D21.15D21.6D38.44D$86.52D65.44D$85.53D66.42D$84.53D67.42D$83.53D
69.40D$83.53D71.36D$83.51D$83.50D$84.47D$85.44D$86.40D30$276.78D30$
79.34D$77.38D$77.38D$76.40D$76.40D$76.40D81.48D$76.40D79.50D$77.38D
79.51D$77.38D79.51D$79.34D81.51D$91.10D93.51D$91.10D93.51D$91.10D93.
51D$91.10D49.6D39.50D31.B33.A$91.10D48.9D39.48D31.2B30.3A$91.10D47.
12D42.11D21.11D31.3B24.2A2.A$91.10D47.13D41.11D21.11D31.4B23.A.A2.A$
91.10D47.15D39.11D21.11D32.4B6.6B.B9.B.2A2.A2.2A$91.10D47.17D37.11D
21.11D33.4B4.10B.3B3.2B2.A.2A2.A.A$91.10D47.19D35.11D9.6D6.11D34.4B3.
15B.2BAB.A6.AB6.2A$91.10D47.21D33.11D8.9D4.11D35.4B.18BA.A.A5.2B7.A$
91.10D49.20D32.11D7.10D4.11D36.22B.2A.2A4.3B3.BA.A$91.10D50.21D30.11D
7.11D3.11D37.4B.15B9.7B.B2A$91.10D52.21D28.11D7.11D3.11D37.20B8.10B$
91.10D54.21D26.11D7.11D4.9D38.22B4.12B$91.10D56.20D25.11D7.11D4.9D37.
23B.15B$91.10D33.45D23.29D6.6D38.27BD12B$91.10D33.47D21.29D49.28BDBD
11B$91.10D33.49D19.29D49.28B3D12B$91.10D33.50D18.29D48.31BD11B$91.10D
33.52D16.29D47.43B$91.10D33.54D14.29D47.14BD15B3.B2.6B$91.10D33.52D
16.29D46.14B2D13B9.3B$91.10D33.50D18.29D45.13B3D7B2.4B10.3B$91.10D33.
49D19.29D45.13BD14B12.B$91.10D33.47D21.29D45.18B5.2A2B$91.10D57.21D
23.11D7.11D46.16B6.A2B$91.10D55.21D25.11D7.11D46.12B11.3A$91.10D54.
21D26.11D7.11D8.6D33.11B13.A$91.10D52.21D28.11D7.11D6.9D33.10B$91.10D
50.21D30.11D7.10D7.9D33.7BD2B$91.10D49.20D32.11D8.9D6.11D33.4BDBD2B$
91.10D47.20D34.11D9.6D8.11D34.3B3DB$91.10D47.19D35.11D23.11D33.5BDB$
91.10D47.17D37.11D23.11D33.7B$77.38D33.15D39.11D23.11D35.3B$76.40D32.
13D41.11D23.11D$75.42D31.12D42.11D23.11D$75.42D32.9D44.11D23.11D$74.
44D32.6D46.11D23.11D$74.44D79.50D$75.42D78.52D$75.42D77.53D$76.40D78.
53D$78.36D80.53D$194.53D$194.53D$194.53D$195.52D$197.50D30$276.78D30$
76.34D$74.38D$74.38D$73.40D$73.40D100.13D$73.40D96.20D6.6D$73.40D94.
25D2.8D$74.38D93.37D$74.38D91.40D$76.34D92.41D$88.10D102.43D$88.10D
101.44D$88.10D100.45D$88.10D49.6D44.46D$88.10D48.9D42.18D10.18D$88.
10D47.12D39.16D16.15D$88.10D47.13D37.15D20.13D$88.10D47.15D35.14D22.
12D$88.10D47.17D32.14D24.11D52.B$88.10D47.19D30.13D25.11D51.2B$88.10D
47.21D27.13D26.11D50.3B$88.10D49.20D26.12D28.9D50.4B$88.10D50.21D23.
13D28.9D49.4B$88.10D52.21D21.12D31.6D38.A10.4B$88.10D54.21D19.12D74.A
.A8.4B$88.10D56.20D18.11D75.A.A7.4B$88.10D33.45D16.11D74.2A.2A5.4B$
88.10D33.47D13.12D74.A2.B5.4B$88.10D33.49D11.12D75.AB2AB2.4B$88.10D
33.50D10.12D73.A.A.2AB.4B$88.10D33.52D8.11D74.2A4.5B$88.10D33.54D6.
11D79.6B$88.10D33.52D8.11D17.26D36.6B$88.10D33.50D10.11D15.29D34.10B$
88.10D33.49D11.11D14.31D32.10B2A$88.10D33.47D13.11D14.31D33.9B2A$88.
10D57.21D15.11D14.31D32.6BD4B$88.10D55.21D17.12D13.31D32.5B2D4B$88.
10D54.21D18.12D13.31D32.3B3DB.B$88.10D52.21D20.12D13.31D33.2BD2B$88.
10D50.21D23.11D14.29D35.4B$88.10D49.20D25.11D16.26D38.B$88.10D47.20D
27.11D29.11D$88.10D47.19D28.12D28.11D$88.10D47.17D31.11D28.11D$74.38D
33.15D33.12D27.11D$73.40D32.13D35.13D26.11D$72.42D31.12D37.13D25.11D$
72.42D32.9D39.15D23.11D$71.44D32.6D42.16D19.13D$71.44D80.20D11.17D$
72.42D82.47D$72.42D83.46D$73.40D85.45D$75.36D88.44D$200.42D$201.39D$
203.35D$206.30D$209.24D$214.14D30$276.78D30$73.34D$71.38D$71.38D$70.
40D$70.40D$70.40D81.33D$70.40D79.38D$71.38D79.42D$71.38D79.43D$73.34D
81.45D$85.10D93.46D$85.10D93.47D$85.10D93.48D$85.10D49.6D39.47D$85.
10D48.9D39.46D$85.10D47.12D42.11D14.17D$85.10D47.13D41.11D17.14D$85.
10D47.15D39.11D18.13D$85.10D47.17D37.11D19.13D$85.10D47.19D35.11D20.
12D41.6B$85.10D47.21D33.11D21.11D40.11B$85.10D49.20D32.11D21.11D40.
12B.B$85.10D50.21D30.11D21.11D39.12B.B2A$85.10D52.21D28.11D21.11D38.
15B2A$85.10D54.21D26.11D20.12D37.14B.2B$85.10D56.20D25.11D19.13D37.
14B$85.10D33.45D23.11D18.13D38.14B$85.10D33.47D21.11D16.15D40.13B$85.
10D33.49D19.11D14.16D42.13B$85.10D33.50D18.11D11.19D41.B2D11B$85.10D
33.52D16.40D42.2D11B$85.10D33.54D14.39D42.2BD12B$85.10D33.52D16.38D
43.16B$85.10D33.50D18.37D44.8BD7B$85.10D33.49D19.36D47.5B2D5B$85.10D
33.47D21.35D48.3B3D4B$85.10D57.21D23.33D51.2BD7B$85.10D55.21D25.33D
52.6B$85.10D54.21D26.34D53.3B$85.10D52.21D28.35D$85.10D50.21D30.11D9.
16D$85.10D49.20D32.11D11.15D$85.10D47.20D34.11D12.15D$85.10D47.19D35.
11D13.15D$85.10D47.17D37.11D14.15D$71.38D33.15D39.11D15.15D$70.40D32.
13D41.11D16.15D$69.42D31.12D42.11D17.15D$69.42D32.9D44.11D18.14D$68.
44D32.6D46.11D19.14D$68.44D79.23D13.17D$69.42D78.26D13.18D$69.42D77.
28D13.18D$70.40D78.29D12.18D$72.36D80.29D13.17D$188.29D14.16D$188.29D
15.15D$188.28D16.15D$189.26D18.13D$191.23D20.10D!
Still, this is not sufficient to split the tracks and add "I" or "century" in the reference (that I-to-E does not link to anything too), so the short message is that there is a century to R and to G already defined.
Is this I→B new? It isn't in that list, but it seems so simple.

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
6.D$5.3D$5.D.CD$2A4.2C$2A2.3C$4.C!
#C [[ T 8 PAUSE 0.5 ]]
It can link up with other conduits.

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x = 26, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$2.3A$5.A$4.2A7$15.2C$13.3C$14.C4$2.2A$.A.A$.A$2A19.D$19.3D2.2A$18.2D4.2A$17.2D.D$8.A.2A6.3D$8.2A.A7.D2$17.2A$17.2A16$17.3D$19.D$18.3D!
Here's a variant.

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
6.D$5.3D$5.D.CD$6.2C$2A2.3C$2A2.C!


Edit:

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x = 19, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
15.2A$15.A$2A14.A$.A9.2A2.2A$.A.A7.A.A$2.2A9.A.4A$12.2A.A2.A3$11.C$10.2C$8.3C$8.C$10.D$9.2D$8.2D$9.D!
Unfortunately, it doesn't look easy to connect.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » November 5th, 2020, 10:24 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 9:55 pm
Is this I→B new? It isn't in that list, but it seems so simple.

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
6.D$5.3D$5.D.CD$2A4.2C$2A2.3C$4.C!
#C [[ T 8 PAUSE 0.5 ]]
It can link up with other conduits.

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x = 26, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$2.3A$5.A$4.2A7$15.2C$13.3C$14.C4$2.2A$.A.A$.A$2A19.D$19.3D2.2A$18.2D4.2A$17.2D.D$8.A.2A6.3D$8.2A.A7.D2$17.2A$17.2A16$17.3D$19.D$18.3D!
Here's a variant.

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
6.D$5.3D$5.D.CD$6.2C$2A2.3C$2A2.C!
It pretty definitely counts as new if you can start with a Herschel somehow, and put a signal through your I-to-B and back to a Herschel again. With luck that will make an H-to-H conduit with a new never-before-seen systemic name -- F{nnn} or Lx{nnn} or whatever; that would make it clearly both new and potentially useful.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 5th, 2020, 10:47 pm

dvgrn wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:24 pm
It pretty definitely counts as new if you can start with a Herschel somehow, and put a signal through your I-to-B and back to a Herschel again.
Are you trying to say that the C→I conduit looks like feeding a century into it might be impossible? In case so, here is a demonstration that that conduit can be connected.

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x = 40, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$2.3A$5.A$4.2A$20.2A$21.A$21.A.2A$22.A.A13.2A$37.A.A$38.A$15.2D11.C.C$13.3D12.C.C$14.D13.3C4$2.2A$.A.A24.2A$.A26.2A$2A19.D$19.3D2.2A$18.2D4.2A$17.2D.D$8.A.2A6.3D$8.2A.A7.D2$17.2A$17.2A16$17.3D$19.D$18.3D!
There is another demonstration for that conduit here, but it doesn't work with my particular conduit because the block would be too close to a fishhook.
dvgrn wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:24 pm
With luck that will make an H-to-H conduit with a new never-before-seen systemic name -- F{nnn} or Lx{nnn} or whatever; that would make it clearly both new and potentially useful.
I only followed the I→B conduit with Conduit 1 in order to demonstrate that the I→B that I found can be connected to other conduits. I did not intend to imply that I believe in a Herschel-centric conduit system.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by bubblegum » November 6th, 2020, 4:10 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:47 pm
I only followed the I→B conduit with Conduit 1 in order to demonstrate that the I→B that I found can be connected to other conduits. I did not intend to imply that I believe in a Herschel-centric conduit system.
Herschel-centricity is actually very versatile and simple given predecessors of the Herschel often start in one direction before forming the Herschel, which proceeds in a 90-degree wedge. Also, Herschels are common enough to show up everywhere. A kind of bad analogy would be using paragliders as the main form air travel instead of the already-existent æroplanes.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 6th, 2020, 6:38 pm

bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Herschel-centricity is actually very versatile and simple given predecessors of the Herschel often start in one direction before forming the Herschel, which proceeds in a 90-degree wedge. Also, Herschels are common enough to show up everywhere. A kind of bad analogy would be using paragliders as the main form air travel instead of the already-existent æroplanes.
Based on my personal experience from making conduits, R sequences occur at least twice (probably at least three times) as frequently as Herschel sequences that don't originate from R sequences.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by bubblegum » November 6th, 2020, 7:21 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 6:38 pm
bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 4:10 pm
Herschel-centricity is actually very versatile and simple given predecessors of the Herschel often start in one direction before forming the Herschel, which proceeds in a 90-degree wedge. Also, Herschels are common enough to show up everywhere. A kind of bad analogy would be using paragliders as the main form air travel instead of the already-existent æroplanes.
Based on my personal experience from making conduits, R sequences occur at least twice (probably at least three times) as frequently as Herschel sequences that don't originate from R sequences.
R sequences have one major flaw: Rs leave the site quickly leaving behind that HF+TL thing, and suppressing it with any sort of clearance is hard.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 6th, 2020, 7:24 pm

bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 7:21 pm
R sequences have one major flaw: Rs leave the site quickly leaving behind that HF+TL thing, and suppressing it with any sort of clearance is hard.
I have made or independently discovered many conduits or partial conduits accepting R, and that does not seem to be a problem.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by bubblegum » November 6th, 2020, 11:24 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 7:24 pm
bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 7:21 pm
R sequences have one major flaw: Rs leave the site quickly leaving behind that HF+TL thing, and suppressing it with any sort of clearance is hard.
I have made or independently discovered many conduits or partial conduits accepting R, and that does not seem to be a problem.
Alright, so that problem's solved. Now there are two steps more:
1) Prove that they are completable and connectable,
2) Integrate them into the Herschel-centric conduit system you're about 25 years too late to change.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 7th, 2020, 12:09 am

bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 11:24 pm
1) Prove that they are completable and connectable,
I've done that for some of them, particularly the ones that I've discovered later. I will admit that the R-sequence didn't always end up pointing in the outward direction, but I have a partial conduit that is very good at fixing that.
MathAndCode wrote:
October 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm

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x = 30, y = 45, rule = TripleB3S23
16.2G$16.2G2$23.G.2G$23.2G.G7$21.G$20.G.G$21.2G$4.CB$4.AGE$5.F.G$6.2G10$29.G$28.2G$27.2G$28.2G7$2.2G$.G.G16.2G$.G18.G.G$2G20.G$5.2G15.2G$6.G$3.3G$3.G!
bubblegum wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 11:24 pm
2) Integrate them into the Herschel-centric conduit system you're about 25 years too late to change.
I think that simply connecting them to any other conduit that is already known to be connectable should be sufficient. If my conduit makes a B-heptomino, then the first conduit that I'll try sticking after it is BFx59H, but if my conduit intakes a century, then I'll try at least one ∏→C conduit before trying any other way to make the century. I have no objection to the existence of Herschel conduits, but I have an objection to treating conduits that do not start and end with a Herschel as somehow less valid. Furthermore, I believe that this culture of requiring "true" conduits to start and end with a Herschel has resulted in detrimental effects on pattern-making, such as the frustratingly long repeat time of Bx222 when the HF95P could instead be followed by a conduit that does not result in an output object going in the same direction that the input object came from.
I do not favor an R-centric conduit system, or a bias towards any single object in conduit-making, for that matter. While I did initially focus on conduits accepting R−B or R−H, this was because I believed that these were under-investigated starting points, not because I was trying to bring about an R-centric conduit system. I have since investigated other starting points that I believe are underinvestigated, such as the dove and the I-heptomino. Even when I first got into conduit-making, I investigated other starting points, such as E−B, that I felt were underinvestigated. As further evidence that I am not anti-Herschel, just anti-inequality, I have posted several ways that I found to make a Herschel that did not develop in the standard manner from a B-sequence.
MathAndCode wrote:
November 6th, 2020, 12:45 pm
That is the latest that I have even seen something enter the Herschel sequence. This could be great if we figured out a way to clean it up: We wouldn't need to worry about that pesky block in conduits like Bx222 and Bx125. Unfortunately, this is the best that I've found.

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x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
bo11bo$b3o7b3o$4bo5bo$3b2o5b2o7$6bo$5b2o$5bo2bo$6b3o$2o5bo7b2o$2o13bobo$17bo$17b2o!
Here's another way to get a Herschel sequence from something besides a B-sequence.

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$o2bo$b3o$2bo!
[[ PASTET 25 PASTE o! -3 7 ]] 
MathAndCode wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 6:49 pm
I want to use it in this reaction.

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x = 11, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$7bo2bo$2o4bo2bo$2o4b3o!
#C [[ PASTET 47 PASTE o$o2$o! 1 8 ]]
MathAndCode wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 5:49 pm
Also, I saw the Herschel's grandchild in the ash.

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x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2o$b2o$bo3$9b2o$9bo$10b3o$12bo!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 29 PASTE b! 6 -2 ]]
Here is the Herschel isolated.

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x = 17, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
15b2o$2o13b2o$b2o$bo3$9b2o$9b2o2$6b2o$6b2o!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ PASTET 29 PASTE b! 6 -1 ]]
MathAndCode wrote:
October 29th, 2020, 4:05 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
October 29th, 2020, 3:41 pm
I doubt that it would be possible to get a conduit out of this (although that's what I thought last time).

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x = 19, y = 13, rule = TripleB3S23
17.2G$17.2G5$12.2G$11.2G$12.G2$.G$G.G$AGD!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY ]]
#C [[ RLE empty 4.$4.! ]]
#C [[ PASTET 30 ]]
#C [[ PASTE empty -1 10 ]]
I was wrong.

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x = 36, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o2$9bo15b2o$9b3o13bo$10bo15bo$25b2o2$32b2o$32bo$33bo$32b2o2$19bo2bo9b2o$17b2o4b2o6bobo$19bo2bo9bo$22b2ob2o6b3o$24b2ob2o6bo$22bo2bo$20b3o3b3o$22bo$22b2obo$23bo2bo$26bo$23bo2bo$24b2o2b2o$28bobo$30bo$30b2o!


Another edit: I somehow made a Herschel going in the opposite direction (although it's definitely useless unless, at the very least, someone finds a more compact V-sparker).

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x = 45, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A12.3D$17.D$15.3D8$18.C15.2A$18.3C13.A$19.C15.A$34.2A2$41.2A$41.A$42.A$41.2A2$28.A2.A9.2A$26.2A4.2A6.A.A$16.3D.D7.A2.A9.A$17.3D11.2A.2A6.3A$17.3D13.2A.2A6.A$31.A2.A$29.3A3.3A$31.A$17.2A12.2A.A$17.2A13.A2.A$35.A$32.A2.A$33.2A2.2A$37.A.A$39.A$39.2A!
MathAndCode wrote:
October 25th, 2020, 7:41 pm
I was wondering what common but not extensively searched methuselahs to search for conduits for, so I tried seeing how this played out.

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
3o$o2bo$bo2bo$2b3o!
To my surprise, it makes two Hershcels minus their first natural gliders, which I had been wondering about ways to make a while back. I decided to look for predecessors, and after finding 3b2o$b2obo$ob2o$2o. I continued looking for predecessors and found this instead.

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
2b3o$3b2o$2o$3o!
I then tried to find paperclip predecessors with less than ten cells based on this, and while I did not find any, I did find this.

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x = 5, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
bo$bobo$3bo$4bo$2o2bo$bo$2bo!


Edit: I just found this when I was trying to remember a partial ∏-to-LOM conduit.

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
bo$bo$ob3o$bo!
MathAndCode wrote:
November 4th, 2020, 12:02 pm
Look at the boat (or rather, what becomes of the boat) starting at generation 128.

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x = 16, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$14bo$bo10bobo$obo9b2o$2o5$14b2o$8bo5b2o$7b3o$7bo!


Edit: I just realized that it's not just some random collision of a glider with a boat and block but rather a wing plus block reaction, so it doesn't seem so useless now.
MathAndCode wrote:
November 4th, 2020, 7:31 pm

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x = 17, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
9bo$7b3o$6bo$6b2o3$3b2o$2bob2o$2bo4bo$3b2o4bo$4bo3bo3$b2o4b2o3$bo3bo$o4b2o$2bo4bo$4b2obo$5b2o3$2b2o$3bo$3o$o5$2bo$2b3o$5bo$4bo$4b2o4$8b3o4b2o$10bo4b2o$8b3o7$6bo$5bobo$5b2o!
By the way, does anyone know of a more compact domino sparker that works?



Edit: This looks significantly harder.

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x = 11, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bo2bo$o2bo$3o5$9b2o$9b2o!
#C [[ PASTET 57 PASTE o! -9 0 ]]
#C [[ T 59 PAUSE 0.5 ]]
It also works when adding a cell to an LoM without other junk.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Sphenocorona » November 7th, 2020, 4:05 am

MathAndCode wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:47 pm
dvgrn wrote:
November 5th, 2020, 10:24 pm
It pretty definitely counts as new if you can start with a Herschel somehow, and put a signal through your I-to-B and back to a Herschel again.
Are you trying to say that the C→I conduit looks like feeding a century into it might be impossible? In case so, here is a demonstration that that conduit can be connected.
Hmm, well the problem now is that the Pi->C used here requires an extremely tight Pi input, which no conduits are able to provide currently. I'm not sure if it was included in the collection as a "maybe it will be usable someday" or if its inclusion was an error. A tight-fitting Pi injector conduit would make a ton of discarded Pi conduits usable (possibly including this one, though its margins are extra tight) but unfortunately no such conduit has been found yet. I checked all the other century outputs in the collection and none of them seem to fit, even PL*328C, which fails because the way the conduit turns interferes with one of the eaters. Hopefully we'll have another edgy C output someday that's in the right orientation to work with this sequence.

... Of course, Jormungant already showed that there is a working H->C->I->G sequence using this converter, so it's just that the choices of I conduit that are currently compatible with it in a *complete* conduit are limited currently.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 7th, 2020, 1:14 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:
November 7th, 2020, 4:05 am
Hmm, well the problem now is that the Pi->C used here requires an extremely tight Pi input, which no conduits are able to provide currently. I'm not sure if it was included in the collection as a "maybe it will be usable someday" or if its inclusion was an error. A tight-fitting Pi injector conduit would make a ton of discarded Pi conduits usable (possibly including this one, though its margins are extra tight) but unfortunately no such conduit has been found yet. I checked all the other century outputs in the collection and none of them seem to fit, even PL*328C, which fails because the way the conduit turns interferes with one of the eaters. Hopefully we'll have another edgy C output someday that's in the right orientation to work with this sequence.

... Of course, Jormungant already showed that there is a working H->C->I->G sequence using this converter, so it's just that the choices of I conduit that are currently compatible with it in a *complete* conduit are limited currently.
I just saw that conduit in the elementary conduits collection, figured that it must be connectable if it was there, and realized that the output century has good clearance in the directions that I typically want clearance in for the output century. However, like you said, there are definitely more options available; we just haven't found all of them yet.
Also, look at generation 21 of that ∏→C: It's that boat-making methuselah that I found some conduits accepting here.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by EvinZL » November 9th, 2020, 5:04 pm

Unix seed

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x = 21, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
5b2o11bo$5b2o11bobo$18b2o2$5b2o$2o2bo2bo$2o2bo2bo$5b2o6$10b2o$10b2o!

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x = 59, y = 12, rule = B2i3-kq4j/S2-i3
.2A7.2A35.2A7.2A$3A7.3A15.3A15.3A7.3A$.2A7.2A15.A3.A15.2A7.2A$26.A5.A
$26.A5.A$26.3A.3A2$26.3A.3A$26.A5.A$26.A5.A$27.A3.A$28.3A!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 9th, 2020, 5:09 pm

EvinZL wrote:
November 9th, 2020, 5:04 pm
Unix seed
That's how the unix is made in the glider synthesis for unix on clock.
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by nokangaroo » November 10th, 2020, 4:10 pm

p37 bumper

A colour-changing p37 reflection is known (http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/index.php?title=132P37); I don't know if this is:

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x = 115, y = 96, rule = B3/S23
96bo$94b3o$93bo$86b3o4b2o$85b2o2bo$81b2obo3bo$81b2o2b3o$86bo4$91b2o5b
2o$90bobo5b2o$90bo17b2o$90bobo15b2o$79b2o10b2o$79b2o28bo$108bobo$68b2o
25bo11b2ob2o$69bo16b2o7bo12bo2bo$69bobo37bobo$58bo11b2o38bo$58b3o18b2o
b2o16b3o$61bo17bo3bo15bo3bo$60b2o18b3o16b2ob2o$72bo38b2o$65bo5bobo37bo
bo$64bobo4bo2bo12bo7b2o16bo$64bo2bo3b2ob2o11bo25b2o$65b2o5bobo$73bo28b
2o$90b2o10b2o$73b2o15bobo$73b2o17bo$83b2o5bobo$83b2o5b2o2$73bo$56b2o
16bo$57b2o13b3o21bo$56bo38b3o2b2o$94bo3bob2o$93bo2b2o$88b2o4b3o$89bo$
86b3o$86bo$47b2o$46bobo$48bo7$92bo$90bobo$91b2o8$28b3o$30bo$29bo25$bo$
b2o$obo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by MathAndCode » November 10th, 2020, 7:21 pm

nokangaroo wrote:
November 10th, 2020, 4:10 pm
p37 bumper
I looked at the image in the article, and none of the examples have loaves, which means that none of them are bumper reactions. However, the variety of sparks that the bumper accepts is wide enough that it seems possible that someone else has thought to try to use that oscillator in a bumper before.



Edit: Actually, the method isn't so obvious, so what you found is probably a new discovery. Good job.



Another edit: It turns out that the spark for a bumper can be delivered one generation earlier than the LifeWiki page says, but it creates a block that must be eaten.

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x = 52, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o13$17bo$15bobo$16b2o10$29bo$27bobo$28b2o7$38bo$36bobo$37b2o
2$39b2o5b2o$38bo2bo4b2o$38bobo$39bo$45bo$34b2o8bo2bo$35bo8bo2bo$32b3o
9bo2bo$32bo9bo3bob3o$42b4obo$40b2o4bo4bo$41bob2obob3o$37b3obob2obo$36b
o4bo4b2o$40bob4o$37b3obo3bo$40bo2bo$40bo2bo$40bo2bo$42bo!
Certain other types of sparks, such as V sparks in a certain orientation, prevent the block from forming, thus making a block eater unnecessary.
Also, domino sparkers can support the bumper, although that's probably known despite being somewhat counter-intuitive.

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x = 95, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
92bo$92bobo$92b2o12$78bo$78bobo$78b2o10$66bo$66bobo$66b2o6$16b2o13b2o
$12b2obo2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o$13bob3obo2b2ob2o2bob3obo20bo$10b3o6bo9bo6b
3o17bobo$10bo2b6ob9ob6o2bo17b2o$11bo4bobobo5bo3bo5bo$14b2o3bo3b2o3b2o
2b4o8b2o$bob5o8b2o4bo2bo6b3o7bo2bo$8b2obo3b2o5bo17b3o9b2o$o9bo2bo8bo13b
2obo2bob2o5bo2bo$o9bo2bo8bo13b2obo2bob2o6bobo$8b2obo3b2o5bo17b3o10bo$
bob5o8b2o4bo2bo6b3o7bo2bo$14b2o3bo3b2o3b2o2b4o8b2o11b2o$11bo4bobobo5b
o3bo5bo20bo$10bo2b6ob9ob6o2bo19b3o$10b3o6bo9bo6b3o21bo$13bob3obo2b2ob
2o2bob3obo$12b2obo2bo3b2ob2o3bo2bob2o$16b2o13b2o!



Yet another edit: I found another oscillator that can support the alternative bumper mechanism that I may have discovered.

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x = 46, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o13$15bo$16b2o$15b2o5$37b2o$37bo$35bobo$35b2o$27bo$28bo$26b3o2b
2o$30bo2bo$30bobo$31bo$36b3o2b3o$35bo8bo$36b3o2b3o$38bo2bo$30b2o$30b2o
$36bo6bo$35b2o6b2o$34b3o6b3o$35b2o6b2o$36bo6bo!
Marine has a non-centered Moore neighborhood and at least one elementary gun with a very high period (11,843).
I'm in the process of reducing the glider cost of universal construction.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by nokangaroo » November 12th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Arbitrary period bumpers and bouncers

Bumpers and bouncers can be built with any period >= 74 (and with the pattern on the right, with any period >= 34. You can build fake p38 and p41 oscillators):

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x = 675, y = 307, rule = LifeHistory
624.2A$623.A.A$617.2A4.A$615.A2.A2.2A.4A$615.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$618.A.ABAB
AB$618.A.AB2AB$619.AB.2B$622.3B$622.4B6.2A$620.3B2AB6.A$620.3B2AB3.BA
.A$618.10B.B2A$617.13B$602.A13.6B3A5B$602.3A10.7BA7B$605.A8.4B2.3BA4B
$604.2A7.4B5.6B$525.2A77.5B3.4B4.9B$524.A.A79.3B2.4B5.2A4.4B$518.2A4.
A71.2A7.9B7.A5.4B$516.A2.A2.2A.4A67.A8.8B5.3A7.4B18.A$516.2A.A.A.A.A
2.A64.2A.A.B3.10B6.A10.4B11.2A3.A.A$519.A.ABABAB66.A2.3AB.2B2A7B18.4B
11.A3.A2.A$519.A.AB2AB68.2A2.BA3B2A7B19.4B10.A.2A.A.A$520.AB.2B71.4A
12B20.4B10.A.A.A.2A$523.3B70.A.2B3.7B.B2A19.4B10.2B2A.A2.A$523.4B6.2A
62.3AB2.7B.BA.A19.4B10.4B2.2A$521.3B2AB6.A66.A4.4B5.A20.4B6.7B$521.3B
2AB3.BA.A61.5A5.4B5.2A20.4B3.2B4A2B$519.10B.B2A62.A10.BABA22.2A3.4B.
2BA3BAB$518.13B66.A9.B2AB22.A4.8B3AB$503.A13.14B65.2A10.A3B21.A.AB2.
3BAB2A2B2A.2B$503.3A10.15B78.4B10.A10.2AB.4BA4BABA2B2A$506.A8.4B2.8B
81.4B7.3A12.7BA6BAB2A$505.2A7.4B5.6B82.4B5.A15.10B2ABA.2B$505.5B3.4B
4.9B82.4B4.2A15.11BAB$507.3B2.ABAB5.2A4.4B74.2A6.9B14.8BA5B.2B$497.2A
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6.7B59.8BA6B4.3B10.7BA.A$496.5A5.4B5.2A20.4B3.8B60.15B5.A2B.2A6.ABA5B
A$496.A10.4B22.2A3.4B.8B62.13B5.A.A2B.A6.B2A3B.B$498.A9.4B22.A4.12B
64.13B2.A.AB2.A7.BA3B$497.2A10.4B21.A.AB2.11B.2B60.8B4.2A.A.A3.A8.6B$
510.4B10.A10.2AB.14B2A59.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A4.2AB.5B$511.4B7.3A12.16B2A59.
5B8.B2.A.A3.2A3.A.AB3.4B$512.4B5.A15.14B.2B60.B.B9.2A.2A.A.A6.A7.4B$
513.4B4.2A15.13B64.3B9.A.A3.A.3A2.2A8.4B$506.2A6.9B14.B2A11B.2B60.B2A
B9.A.A4.A2.A13.4B$507.A7.6B14.B3AB2A11B2A60.2A11.A6.2A15.4B$507.A.2A
5.6B3.B2.2B2.4BABAB2A9B.B2A98.4B$508.A2.A4.7BA10B2ABA13B2.B93.A6.4B7.
A$288.2A219.2AB3.8B2A17B.8B96.3A5.4B4.3A$287.A.A220.11B3ABA7BA8B2.7B
99.A5.5B.A$281.2A4.A223.9B2ABABA16B2.7B98.2A6.4BA.A$279.A2.A2.2A.4A
220.9B4A16B3.7B98.5B4.B.2BAB$279.2A.A.A.A.A2.A107.2A111.10B2A5B.B.2B
11.7B99.3BAB5.2B$282.A.ABABAB109.A.A111.15B4.3B10.7B98.3BABAB.B.2B$
282.A.AB2AB112.A4.2A105.15B5.A2B.2A6.6B98.4BA2BA3B2AB$283.AB.2B109.4A
.2A2.A2.A94.A9.13B5.A.A2B.A7.5B99.4B2A4B2A$286.3B108.A2.A.A.A.A.2A94.
3A9.13B2.A.AB2.A7.5B101.6B.B$286.4B6.2A101.BABABA.A100.A6.9B4.2A.A.A
3.A8.5B102.5B$284.3B2AB6.A103.B2ABA.A99.2A6.8B5.2ABA2.4A.A6.B.B103.7B
$284.3B2AB3.BA.A104.2B.BA100.5B4.6B7.B2.A.A3.2A7.3B101.4B.4B$274.A7.
10B.B2A104.3B105.3BAB2.5B7.2A.2A.A.A9.B2AB100.4B3.4B$272.3A6.13B97.2A
6.4B104.3BABAB.5B8.A.A3.A.3A7.2A100.4B5.4B$271.A8.7B2A5B98.A6.B2A3B
101.4BA2BA7B7.A.A4.A2.A108.4B7.4B$270.A.A6.8BABA4B98.A.AB3.B2A3B102.
4B2A3B3.2A8.A6.2A108.4B9.4B$269.BA.A5.4B2.3BA4B101.2AB.10B101.6B5.A
125.4B11.4B$164.2A102.3BA5.4B5.6B103.13B101.5B6.3A121.4B13.4B$164.A.A
99.4B6.4B4.9B102.14B99.7B7.A90.2A28.4B15.4B$166.A4.2A91.6B5.4B5.2A4.
4B101.15B97.4B.4B98.A27.4B17.4B$162.4A.2A2.A2.A88.7B4.4B7.A5.4B102.8B
2.4B95.4B3.4B95.A7.2A3.2A6.A7.4B19.4B$162.A2.A.A.A.A.2A81.B.4B.8B2.4B
5.3A7.4B101.6B5.3BA93.4B5.4B92.4A5.B2AB.B2AB4.A.A5.4B21.4B$164.BABABA
.A83.2AB.17B6.A10.4B99.9B4.ABAB91.4B7.4B90.A4.2B3.4B.3B5.BA2B3.4B23.
4B$165.B2ABA.A83.2A18B19.4B97.4B4.2A5.2A2B89.4B9.4B88.A2.3A3B3.2B3.B
7.2B3.4B25.4B$166.2B.BA85.2B.16B20.4B95.4B5.A7.4B87.4B11.4B88.2A2.A
22B.4B27.4B$165.3B91.16B21.4B93.4B7.3A5.4B85.4B13.4B89.2A27B29.4B$
156.2A6.4B92.8BABA4B22.4B91.4B10.A6.4B13.A39.2A28.4B15.4B88.A.B.24B
31.4B$157.A6.6B91.7B2A3B.B2A21.4B89.2A2B19.4B10.3A40.A27.4B17.4B88.A
2.24B32.4B$157.A.AB3.6B91.8BA2B2.BA.A21.4B87.2B2A21.4B8.A41.A7.2A3.2A
6.A7.4B19.4B84.3A3.23B$158.2AB.4BA5B7.A82.10B5.A22.4B85.2BAB23.4B7.2A
38.4A5.B2AB.B2AB4.A.A5.4B21.4B83.A6.24B$160.4B2AB2A4B6.3A80.6B2A2B5.
2A22.4B10.2A71.4B25.4B3.5B37.A4.2B3.4B.3B5.BA2B3.4B23.4B89.16B6.2A$
160.4B2AB2A5B8.A79.6B2A3B29.4B9.A71.4B27.4B2.3B38.A2.3A3B3.2B3.B7.2B
3.4B25.4B89.2BA9B9.A$160.4B2A2BA6B6.A.A78.10B31.4B10.A68.4B29.9B7.2A
29.2A2.A22B.4B27.4B89.A9B11.3A$162.4B2A2B2.4B5.A.AB73.A.2AB.8B25.2A5.
BA2B5.5A67.4B31.8B8.A31.2A27B29.4B87.B3A10B10.A$162.6B5.4B5.A3B70.3AB
2AB3.7B25.A5.3AB4.A71.4B33.10B3.A.A.2A28.A.B.24B31.4B85.16B$161.9B4.
4B6.4B67.A4.B6.6B25.A.AB.B4A2B2.B3A68.4B33.9B2A.BABA2.A29.A2.24B32.4B
83.4B.12B$160.4B4.2A5.4B5.6B66.3A.2A4.6B27.2AB.5BAB3.2B.A66.5B33.8B2A
2BAB2.2A27.3A3.23B34.4B81.4B3.11B2.2A2.2A.2A$159.4B5.A7.4B4.7B67.2A2.
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30.2AB.4B3A3.AB.A36.16B6.2A34.4B77.4B3.2A4.4BA2B3.B.2A2.A.A$157.4B10.
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2.4A38.12B9.A36.4B75.4B5.A4.3BABAB2.2B2.A.A.A$156.4B19.5B3A10B2A58.2A
.A.BA2B.2AB2AB6.3A19.BA5BA2B3.B.A.2A60.10B28.A5.2B2A4.A42.10B11.3A34.
4B59.A13.4B3.3A6.B2AB2A.2BAB.A2.A$155.4B20.4B2AB2A7B.2B62.A2.2B2.2AB
2A2B4.A21.3B5A8.A62.12B26.2A5.B2AB5.5A36.9BA4B10.A97.3A10.4B4.A8.BA2B
A3BA.A.3A$154.4B21.3B2A3B2A6B65.2A.B3.2BA4B4.2A19.5B3AB7.2A61.2A11B8.
2A22.2BAB10.A35.9B2A5B110.A8.4B14.A3BA3B.A.A$153.4B22.4B2AB2A6B64.2A
2.A.A2.8B.4B18.4B2.BAB72.11B9.A22.4B9.A36.4B.4BA7B109.2A7.4B16.3BAB4.
A2.2A$152.4B21.2AB.12B64.A2.A2.2A2.11B19.4B3.5B71.12B4.BA.A21.4B10.2A
34.4B3.4B2A5B2.2A2.2A.2A98.5B3.4B17.6B4.2A.3A$151.4B21.A.AB2.11B65.2A
7.12B17.4B7.2A71.15B.B2A10.A10.4B46.ABAB2.4B.BABA4B2.A.A2.A.A.A99.3B
2.4B17.6B6.B4.A$150.4B22.A5.10B75.12B16.4B8.A72.17B12.3A7.4B46.B2AB3.
2A4.BA5B3.B.2A2.A.A89.2A7.9B18.7B3.B2AB3A$137.2A10.4B22.2A5.10B76.11B
15.4B10.3A69.17B15.A5.4B46.3BA5.A4.BABA3B2.2B2.A.A.A90.A8.8B20.8B.B2A
.A$138.A9.3AB29.11B65.2A12.9B13.4B13.A66.B.14B2AB15.2A4.4B32.A13.4B3.
3A6.4BAB.2BAB.A2.A88.2A.A.B3.BA8B21.10B$136.A10.3BA31.10B66.A8.B2.2B
2A6B.2B9.4B80.2A14BA2BAB14.9B6.2A25.3A10.4B4.A8.2BABA3BA.A.3A89.A2.2A
2B.3BA7B20.4BA6B$136.5A5.3BA5.2A25.8B.B2A.A62.A.AB4.8BA9B7.4B81.2AB.
12BA2BA3B14.6B7.A29.A8.4B14.8B.A.A93.2A2.2A3B2A7B14.2A5.2B2A6B$141.A
4.4B5.A25.7B3.B2AB3A61.2AB2.8B2A13B3.4B83.B4.10B5A5B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A
28.2A7.4B16.5B4.A2.2A92.AB2A12B15.A5.10B$138.3AB2.7B.BA.A25.6B6.B4.A
62.13BA10BA7B77.A11.13B2AB2A18B4.A2.A29.5B3.4B17.6B4.2A.3A90.A.2B3.7B
.B2A13.A.AB2.11B$137.A.2B3.7B.B2A27.6B4.2A.3A62.15BA7B3A2B3AB78.3A9.
9B.5BA21B3.B2A32.3B2.4B17.6B6.B4.A90.3AB2.7B.BA.A13.2AB.12B$137.4A12B
29.5B4.A2.2A64.15BA6BABA5BA82.A9.7B2.24BA2BA4B23.2A7.9B18.7B3.B2AB3A
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