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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 12:01 pm
by C28
Jormungant wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 11:57 am
There is this nice p3 180 reflector floating around, which seemingly can be used to make true period guns, I tried to make it work for p4, though I am not sure if there is a better solution hidden already hidden in the forums, since I have no clue when that reaction was first noted:
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x = 64, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
2$2.2A$.A2.A$A.2A2.2A$.A2.2A.A$2.AB2.A4.B$3.B2A4B3A$2.A.A.B2A4B$.A.BA
3.BA3B.2A$.5A3.A3B.2A$5.A5.3AB$.4A7.2B$.A3.3A7.2B6.8B$2.3A2.A5.5B4.9B
$4.A2.A.AB.6B2.4B2A3B$8.2AB.11BA2BA2B$10.5B2.7B2A2B$10.B2AB.3A9B$10.B
2A2BA.12B$10.6BA5B5.2A$11.10B6.A$11.11B6.3A.A7.4B.7B$11.7B.4B7.A.3A6.
11B$35.A6.10B$34.2A5.5BA6B$34.12B.A2B2AB$36.9B3A.B2AB$35.2B2A7B2.5B$
34.2BA2BA11B.B2A$34.3B2A4B2.6B.BA.A2.A$32.9B4.5B5.A2.3A$32.8B6.2B7.3A
3.A$49.2B7.4A$48.B3A5.A$47.2A.3BA3.5A$47.2A.3BAB3.AB.A$50.4B2AB.A.A$
50.3A4B2AB$51.B4.A2.BA$55.A.2A2.A$55.2A2.2A.A$58.A2.A$59.2A!
a p4 solution should exist, since it only needs a dot spark at gen 19 to work, you don't even need much clearance.
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x = 25, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
o14bo$3o11b3o$3bo9b5o$2b2o8bo5bo$11b2o2bo2b2o$10b3obobob3o$5b2o4b2o2b
o2b3o$4bo2bo4bo5bob3o$5b2o6b5o3bobo$14b3o6bo$15bo7b2o$17bo!
edit: a unix works for p6
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x = 25, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
o14bo$3o11b3o$3bo9b5o$2b2o8bo5bo$11b2o2bo2b2o$10b3obobob3o$5b2o4b2o2b
o2b3o$4bo2bo4bo5bob3o$5b2o6b5o3bobo$14b3o6bo$15bo7b2o$17bo2bo$20bo$16b
o4bo$16b2o2bobo$21bob2o3$21bo$21b2o!
edit 2: 83P264
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x = 53, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bobo$3o$2o$bobo$2bobo2b2o$3bo2bobo$4b4o$5b2o$2o$bo$bobo14b2o$2b2o
13bo2bo$18b2o$5b2o$5b2o$21b2o$21bo$22b3o$24bo$28bo$28b3o$31bo$30b2o10b
o$43bo2b2o$41b3o2b2o$33b2o$32bo2bo13b2o$33b2o14bobo$51bo$51b2o$46b2o$
45b4o$44bobo2bo$44b2o2bobo$49bobo$51b2o$50b3o$49bobo$49b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 12:07 pm
by Jormungant
Well, I just proposed a p4 solution, I guess I did not say that clearly, sorry about that... I was just wondering if there was a better solution floating around already, making this suboptimal.
There is also plenty of sparks that could replace the eater too, maybe allowing this to be much smaller, but at least what I found in the not in the way of the diagonal of the outgoing glider.
I one manages to remove 6 rows, and the figure 8 instead with a spark, there might be a few guns like the p64 that could be made smaller I would guess.
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x = 85, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
$B$2B$3B37.A$4B35.A.A3.2A.2A$.4B33.A.A.A.A.A.A.A$2.4B32.A.A.2B.BA.A.A
$3.4B32.A.A.4A.A.2A$4.4B33.A.A2.2A.A$5.2B2A31.A.A2B4.A$6.2A2B30.2A.BA
4.3A$7.BA2B32.BAB6.A$8.4B31.2B2A4.2A$9.4B30.A3B4.6B$10.4B28.BA3BA5.B
2A4B$11.4B28.A3BAB2.3B2A6B$12.4B31.AB.11BAB$13.4B28.2AB2.11BA$14.4B
27.2A2.13B$15.4B30.12B$16.4B30.10B$17.4B31.7B$18.4B30.8B$19.4B28.10B$
20.4B27.6B.4B$21.2B2A25.6B3.2B2A$22.2A2B20.B2.7B4.BABA$23.BA2B17.7B2A
B2A5.A3B$24.4B16.5B2AB2A2B6.4B$25.4B14.6BA6B7.4B$26.4B13.6BABA2B.B2A
6.4B$27.4B13.6B2AB2.BA.A6.4B$28.4B12.7B7.A7.4B$29.4B12.6B7.2A7.4B$30.
4B12.4B18.4B$6.2A23.4B12.4B18.4B$5.A2.A23.4B12.4B7.2A7.6B$4.A.2A2.2A
21.4B12.4B7.A7.7B$5.A2.2A.A22.4B12.4B6.A.AB2.B2A6B$6.BA2.B4.B19.4B12.
4B6.2AB.2BABA6B$7.2AB4AB2A13.2B4.4B12.4B7.6BA6B$6.B.A.4ABAB11.6B3.2B
2A12.4B6.2B2AB2A5B$5.A.2A3.A4B.2A8.7B3.2A2B12.3BA5.2AB2A7B$5.2ABAB3.
2B2A.BA7.9B3.BA2B12.ABAB4.7B2.B$9.A5.BABA9.9B3.4B12.2A2B3.6B$5.4A7.AB
10.10B3.4B12.4B.6B$5.A3.3A7.2B6.12B3.4B12.10B$6.3A2.A5.5B4.3B3A3B.4B
3.4B4.A7.8B$8.A2.A.AB.6B2.4BA2BAB4.4B3.4B3.3A6.7B$12.2AB.12BA3BA5.4B
3.4B5.A4.10B$14.13B2A3B7.4B3.4B3.2A3.12B$14.B2A10B3AB9.4B3.4B2.17B2.
2A$14.B2A16B8.3BA3.4B3.14B2.B2A$14.12B5.2A9.ABAB3.20B.BA$15.10B6.A11.
2A2B3.3BA3B2A4B2A3B2.BA3BA$15.11B6.3A9.4B3.3BAB2A5B2AB5.A3BAB$15.B2A
4B.4B7.A2.A7.4B.4B4A2B2.6B4.3BA$16.5B3.4B9.3A6.9BA2B8.2A4.2A2B$16.3AB
5.2B2A11.A6.10B9.A6.BAB$17.B8.BABA9.2A5.12B9.3A4.AB.2A$27.A3B8.16B2AB
11.A4.2BA.A$28.4B9.B3A10B2AB11.A.2A2.A.A$29.4B7.3B2A13B9.2A.A.4A.A.A$
30.4B5.A3BA12B.B2A8.A.A.AB.2B.A.A$31.4B4.BA2BA4B2.6B.BA.A2.A4.A.A.A.A
.A.A.A$32.4B.3B3A3B4.5B5.A2.3A3.2A.2A3.A.A$33.12B6.2B7.3A3.A11.A$34.
10B10.BA7.4A$35.9B9.ABAB5.A$36.9B7.AB.2A2B3.BAB2A$37.7B8.2A.4BA3.2A.A
$38.6B11.BAB4A.A.B$40.2B13.2AB4AB2A$56.B4.B2.AB$60.A.2A2.A$60.2A2.2A.
A$63.A2.A$64.2A!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 1:26 pm
by C28
Jormungant wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 12:07 pm
I one manages to remove 6 rows, and the figure 8 instead with a spark, there might be a few guns like the p64 that could be made smaller I would guess.
the repeat time is 49 apparently
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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bo$2b2o$b2o7$o$3o$3bo$2b2o10bo$15bo2b2o$13b3o2b2o$5b2o$4bo2bo13b2o$5b
2o14bobo2bo$23bo2b3o$23b3o3bo$26b4o$17b3o5bo$15b2o4bo3b5o$15b2o4bo4bo
2bo$22b2o2bobo$18b3o4b2o$24bo3bo$23bob2o2bo$23b2o2b2obo$26bo2bo$27b2o
![[ STOP 49 ]]
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 1:33 pm
by iNoMed
That reaction is already known and is used (with well-optimised sparkers) in the Catagolue gun collection, where it is found in the true-period guns of period 49, 51, 52 and 57 (sort-of, it's a bit complicated).
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 3:56 pm
by Gustone
Eater 4 but not quite
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x = 28, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo4b2o$3bobo3bo2bo$2obob2o2bo2bo$o2bo3bo2b2o$2bob4o$3bo4b2o$4b
2o2bobo$6bobob3o$6bobo4bo$7bob4o$8bo$10bo$9b2o$17b2o$17bo6b2o$14b2obo
5bo2bo$14bo2b2o4bo2bo$15b2o4bo2b2o$17b5o$17bo4b2o$18b2o2bo$20bobo$20bo
bobo2bo$21b2ob4o$23bo$23bobo$24b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 8th, 2022, 7:34 pm
by mniemiec
Gustone wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 3:56 pm
Eater 4 but not quite ...
Ponds are notoriously difficult to eat cleanly. E.g. it takes two gliders to remove a pond; to remove one from a synthesis, it's usually easier to hit the pond predecessor with a glider.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 9th, 2022, 2:32 am
by wwei47
mniemiec wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 7:34 pm
Gustone wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 3:56 pm
Eater 4 but not quite ...
Ponds are notoriously difficult to eat cleanly. E.g. it takes two gliders to remove a pond; to remove one from a synthesis, it's usually easier to hit the pond predecessor with a glider.
I would like to disagree with that.
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x = 8, y = 6, rule = Life
7bo$5b2o$b2o3b2o$o2bo$o2bo$b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 9th, 2022, 7:34 am
by mniemiec
mniemiec wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 7:34 pm
Ponds are notoriously difficult to eat cleanly. E.g. it takes two gliders to remove a pond; to remove one from a synthesis, it's usually easier to hit the pond predecessor with a glider.
wwei47 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2022, 2:32 am
I would like to disagree with that. ...
While you can technically eliminate an isolated pond with one glider, doing so creates a fairly large plume of junk first. In most syntheses where spurious ponds occur, the ponds are close enough to the target object that destroying the pond with one glider also destroys the target object.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 9th, 2022, 11:11 am
by dvgrn
iNoMed wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 1:33 pm
That reaction is already known and is used (with well-optimised sparkers) in the Catagolue gun collection, where it is found in the true-period guns of period 49, 51, 52 and 57 (sort-of, it's a bit complicated).
Just to clarify, the specific p4 variant that Jormungant suggested seems to be shorter but wider than the p4 in the
p52 gun -- maybe it could find a use somewhere (but not in the p52).
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x = 66, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A3.2A$52.A3.A$52.A.2A2.A$2.A47.2A.A.A.2A$.A.A3.2A.2A39.A.A.A.A$A.
A.B.B.A.A.A38.A.3A.A$A.A.2A.AB.A.A39.5A$.A.A.4A.A.2A39.3B$3.A.B2.BA.A
35.2A3.2B.2B$2.A.B2A4.A33.2B2AB2.5B$2.2A.2A4.3A31.4B4.3A$5.3A6.A30.4B
4.BAB$5.2A2B4.2A31.3AB4.A$5.4B4.6B27.2A2B5.4B$4.B2ABAB5.B2A4B25.2B2A
4.B2A4B$5.A2B3A2.3B2A6B23.B3A2.3B2A6B$9.2B.13B21.BABAB.13B$7.ABA2.12B
23.2A3.12B$7.2A2.13B27.13B$11.12B28.12B$12.10B30.10B$14.7B33.7B$14.5B
3A32.5B3A$13.6BA3B30.6BA3B$13.6B.A3B29.6B.A3B$12.6B3.4B27.6B3.4B$8.B
2.3BA3B4.4B22.B2.3BA3B4.4B$6.7BABA2B5.3B20.7BABA2B5.3B$6.7BABA2B6.2B
20.7BABA2B6.2B$5.9BA3B7.B19.9BA3B7.B$5.11B.B2A25.11B.B2A$6.9B2.BA.A
25.9B2.BA.A$6.7B7.A25.7B7.A$7.6B7.2A25.6B7.2A$8.4B36.4B$9.4B36.4B$10.
4B36.4B$11.4B36.4B$12.4B36.4B$13.4B36.4B$14.4B36.4B$15.4B36.4B!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 13th, 2022, 9:30 am
by Freywa
dvgrn wrote: ↑January 9th, 2022, 11:11 am
Just to clarify, the specific p4 variant that Jormungant suggested seems to be shorter but wider than the p4 in the
p52 gun -- maybe it could find a use somewhere (but not in the p52).
I would like to see how low in population the p4 and p8 versions can go – they may be useful for Skopje. I have not been able to bring the populations down to the point where they get sparser than what I already have in the git repo.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 14th, 2022, 4:46 pm
by SirRobinGunPossible?
Two things:
A pure glider generator that resembles a glider
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x = 5, y = 5, rule = Life
5o$ob3o$2o2bo$o2b2o$5o!
A puffer who's ash includes 1 glider and periodic LWSS
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x = 15, y = 19, rule = Life
2bo5bo$b3o3b3o$2obo3bob2o$3o5b3o$b2o5b2o2$5bo$4b3o2$4bobo$5bo3$13bo$2b
3ob3o3b3o$4bobo4b2obo$11b3o$11b3o$4b3o5b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 14th, 2022, 5:36 pm
by creeperman7002
SirRobinGunPossible? wrote: ↑January 14th, 2022, 4:46 pm
Two things:
A pure glider generator that resembles a glider
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x = 5, y = 5, rule = Life
5o$ob3o$2o2bo$o2b2o$5o!
A puffer who's ash includes 1 glider and periodic LWSS
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x = 15, y = 19, rule = Life
2bo5bo$b3o3b3o$2obo3bob2o$3o5b3o$b2o5b2o2$5bo$4b3o2$4bobo$5bo3$13bo$2b
3ob3o3b3o$4bobo4b2obo$11b3o$11b3o$4b3o5b2o!
Welcome to the forums!
Generally, pure glider generators and puffers aren't that interesting since many examples of both are known. If every one of these discovered was posted, I'd guarantee that this forum would be cluttered with such posts.
As for advice, I would recommend referring to the various collections of patterns in CGoL,
as well as the book, to familiarize yourself as to what's known and what's not, as well as whether your discoveries might be interesting. Examples of uninteresting discoveries include, but are not limited to:
- The patterns mentioned above.
- Methuselahs that don't last at least 20,000 generations, fit in a 20x20 box, or produce a rare object.
- Still lives, oscillators, and spaceships that don't have any significance, especially low-period ones (Ex: random 200 cell p2)
- Rediscoveries of common or well-known objects (as stated, refer to collections to find out what's known).
- Suboptimal stabilizations of already known objects.
Sorry if I let you down or demotivated you, I was just trying to help you out.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 14th, 2022, 8:26 pm
by dvgrn
creeperman7002 wrote: ↑January 14th, 2022, 5:36 pm
Welcome to the forums!
[discussion of what does/doesn't make sense to post]
All that said, this "Thread for unsure discoveries" is a very good place to post things like this, where you're not sure about the notability or interestingness of a discovery, for whatever reason.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 16th, 2022, 5:44 pm
by SirRobinGunPossible?
this is probably more of a curiosity than something useful: it's a bunch of rows of dots and/or dominoes that move the bottom cell forward at the speed of light. It probably can be extended but i got stuck. I call it Tornado.
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x = 29, y = 39, rule = Life
3$4bo2bo2bo2b2o2b2obo2b2o2b2o2$3b2o2b2o2b2obo2bobo3bob2obo2$3bob2obo2b
obo2b2ob2ob2obobo2$4bobob2o2bo3bobobobobo2$7bobo2b2o3bo3bo2$10b2obo2b
2o2b2o2$10bobo3bob2obo2$9b2ob2ob2obobo2$9bobobobobo2$10bo3bo2$9b2o2b2o
2$9bob2obo2$10bobob2o2$13bobo2$14bo!
Here is the Tornado pulling a pi predecessor
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x = 29, y = 39, rule = Life
3$4bo2bo2bo2b2o2b2obo2b2o2b2o2$3b2o2b2o2b2obo2bobo3bob2obo2$3bob2obo2b
obo2b2ob2ob2obobo2$4bobob2o2bo3bobobobobo2$7bobo2b2o3bo3bo2$10b2obo2b
2o2b2o2$10bobo3bob2obo2$9b2ob2ob2obobo2$9bobobobobo2$10bo3bo2$9b2o2b2o
2$9bob2obo2$10bobob2o2$13bobo2$14bo$13b3o$13bobo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 17th, 2022, 7:18 pm
by SirRobinGunPossible?
here is a eater r-pentomino reaction (probably discovered)
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x = 11, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
5$5.D$4.3D$4.D4$3.3D7$6.A$4.3A$5.A2$7.2A$7.A$8.3A$10.A5$9.2D$9.2D!
and an agar I'm calling sparkdance
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x = 8, y = 8, rule = Life:T8
o3bo$bo3bo$3bo3bo$2bo3bo$o3bo$bo3bo$3bo3bo$2bo3bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 20th, 2022, 5:43 pm
by C28
some alternate ways the traffic light predecessor in UL33U can be removed
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x = 233, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
68b2o3bo$67bo2bobobo2bo83b3o58b2o3bo$3b3o8b2o3bo37b3o7bob2obob4o33b3o
47b3o46b3o8bo2bobobo2bo$3b3o7bo2bobobo2bo33b3o6b2o4bo38b3o6b2ob2o35bo
bo47b3o8bob2obob4o$2bobo8bob2obob4o32bobo6bo2bob2obob3o32bobo8bobo36b
2o8b2ob2o34bobo8b2o4bo$2b2o8b2obo2bo37b2o6b3o2bobobo4bo31b2o8bo2bo47b
obo35b2o8bo2bob2obob3o$11bo2bob2ob5o40b3o4bob2o2b2o44bob2o43bo2bo44b3o
2bobobo4bo$11bo2bo2bobobo2bo39b3o4b3o45bobobobo47bob2o41b3o4bob2o2b2o
$11bo5bo2bo2b2o39b3ob2o4bo43bobob2obo43bobobobo42b3o4b3o$11bo3bob2o46b
o3bobob2o44b2o3bo43bobob2obo42b3ob2o4bo$11bo3bobo2bo45b2obobo49b3o45b
2o3bo44bo3bobob2o$11bo3bob4o46bobo2b3o46bo49b3o46b2obobo$12b2obobo49b
obo4bo89b2o5bo49bobo2b3o$6b2o5bobo2b3o39b2o6bo45b2o46bo4bo45b2o6bobo4b
o$4bo4bo3bobo4bo37bo4bo48bo4bo93bo4bo5bo$14bo146bo6bo$3bo6bo46bo6bo46b
o6bo40b3obob2ob3o39bo6bo$b3obob2ob3o42b3obob2ob3o42b3obob2ob3o37bo4bo
3bo3bo36b3obob2ob3o$o4bo3bo3bo40bo4bo3bo3bo40bo4bo3bo3bo37b5o2b2obobo
35bo4bo3bo3bo$b5o2b2obobo41b5o2b2obobo41b5o2b2obobo42bo2bob2o37b5o2b2o
bobo$6bo2bob2o47bo2bob2o47bo2bob2o40bob5o45bo2bob2o$3bob5o47bob5o47bo
b5o42bobo5b3o39bob5o$2bobo5b3o43bobo5b3o43bobo5b3o39bobo3b2o3bo37bobo
5b3o$2bobo3b2o3bo42bobo3b2o3bo42bobo3b2o3bo37b2ob2obobob2o38bobo3b2o3b
o$b2ob2obobob2o42b2ob2obobob2o42b2ob2obobob2o45bo2bo38b2ob2obobob2o$8b
o2bo50bo2bo50bo2bo47bobo45bo2bo$9bobo51bobo51bobo45bobob2o45bobo$7bob
ob2o48bobob2o48bobob2o44b2o47bobob2o$7b2o52b2o52b2o97b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 24th, 2022, 10:02 am
by Gustone
Temporary LWSS (96-103)
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x = 94, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
27b2o$27b2o12b2obob2o27bo$34bob2obo2bob2o2bo26b3o$34b2obob2obo4bobo13b
o14bo$42b5obo12b3o13b2o$38b2obo4bo13bo$38b2obobo3bo12b2o$42bobo3bo$43b
o3b2o2$70bo$43b2o25b3o$42b2o29bo18b2o$31b2o2b2o7bo27b2o18b2o$32b2ob2o$
20b2o9bo$19bo2bo34b2o$18bob2o31bo4b2o$18bo35b2o3b2o$17b2o34b2o3b2o$32b
2o15b2o7bo$32bo17b2o$o10b2o20b3o24b2o28b2o$3o4b2obo2bob2o18bo11b2o11b
2o28bobo$3bo3b2o2bo4bo11bo19bo43bo$2b2o8bo13b3o16b3o44b2o$13bobo9bo19b
o29b3o$4b3o18b2o$4b3o9b2o$3bo3bo9b2o$2bo5bo7bo$3bo3bo$4b3o16bo$13b2o7b
3o$12b2o8b3o50b2o$9bo4bo60bo$9b2o9b2o3b2o49b3o$8bobo9b2o3b2o51bo3$20b
2o$19bobo$18b2o$19b2o$7bo11b2o$6b3o13b3o$5b5o$4bobobobo$4b2o3b2o2$18b
2o3b2o$7bo$6bobo10bo3bo$6bobo11b3o$7bo12b3o$6b2o$6b2o$6b2o2$20b2o$20b
2o4$27bo$27bobo$27b2o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 4:43 pm
by Marda
Hello, if you draw a straight line across the centre of Carnival Shuttle you get to O's / +'s after 25 turns, Don't know if this is already known.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 4:52 pm
by hotdogPi
Marda wrote: ↑January 25th, 2022, 4:43 pm
Hello, if you draw a straight line across the centre of Carnival Shuttle you get to O's / +'s after 25 turns, Don't know if this is already known.
Are you referring to what this creates?
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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B3/S23
bo$3o!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
by Marda
yes, but only 2 of them, not 4. New to the forum so unsure how to poste the pattern. sorry.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 5:19 pm
by dvgrn
Marda wrote: ↑January 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
yes, but only 2 of them, not 4. New to the forum so unsure how to poste the pattern. sorry.
Welcome to the forums! Maybe just try making your suggested edits to the carnival-shuttle pattern below, using the pencil edit button in LifeViewer:
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x = 38, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
33bo3bo$2o3b2o26b5o$bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$b2ob2o2b2o3b2o4b2o2b2o3b
2o4bobo$bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$2o3b2o26b5o$33bo3bo!
Then when you have it right, use LifeViewer again to copy out the pattern in RLE format. It should end up looking something like like this:
x = 38, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
33bo3bo$2o3b2o26b5o$bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$b2ob2o2b2o3b2o4b2o2b2o3b
2o4bobo$bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$2o3b2o26b5o$33bo3bo!
... Then paste that RLE code into a message, and put "code" blocks around it by selecting the code and clicking the "</>" button on the message menu bar.
If you're using Golly, or if you're using some other Life editor software, or doing everything on mobile, the instructions would be a bit different.
Relatively few patterns of this type would really count as discoveries, per se, since it's possible to draw lines through almost any starting pattern and end up with all kinds of different outputs. Have to start somewhere, though!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 6:00 pm
by Marda
x = 41, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2$34bo3bo$b2o3b2o26b5o$2bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$b38o$2bobobo3bo2bo6b
2o3bo2bo7bo$b2o3b2o26b5o$34bo3bo!
Like this?
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x = 41, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2$34bo3bo$b2o3b2o26b5o$2bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$b38o$2bobobo3bo2bo6b
2o3bo2bo7bo$b2o3b2o26b5o$34bo3bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 25th, 2022, 6:15 pm
by dvgrn
Marda wrote: ↑January 25th, 2022, 6:00 pm
Like this?
Exactly. Those are the two
traffic lights you were describing. That's not an uncommon result for a bilaterally symmetric starting pattern -- you get the same thing with other line lengths, for example:
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x = 49, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
40bo3bo$7b2o3b2o26b5o$8bobobo3bo2bo6b2o3bo2bo7bo$49o$8bobobo3bo2bo6b2o
3bo2bo7bo$7b2o3b2o26b5o$40bo3bo!
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 31st, 2022, 11:52 am
by muzik
8G synthesis of a Gosper glider gun isomer:
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x = 56, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
3$22bo$21bo$21b3o$5bo$6b2o9bobo$5b2o11b2o21bo$18bo21bo$40b3o2$15bo$15b
2o$14bobo3$37b3o10b2o$37bo12bobo$38bo11bo$31b2o$32b2o$31bo!
Here's the wiki's synth for the "canonical" variant, for comparison:
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x = 47, y = 14, rule = b3/s23
16bo30b$16bobo16bo11b$16b2o17bobo9b$obo10bo21b2o10b$b2o11b2o31b$bo11b
2o32b3$10b2o20b2o13b$11b2o19bobo9b3o$10bo21bo11bo2b$27bo17bob$27b2o18b
$26bobo!
Back to the first one, shifting the right four up four cells yields another trivial isomer:
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x = 48, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
17bo$16bo19bo$16b3o16bo$o34b3o$b2o9bobo$2o11b2o$13bo3$10bo$10b2o20b3o
10b2o$9bobo20bo12bobo$33bo11bo$26b2o$27b2o$26bo!
The same can be done for the wiki's synthesis to yield a fourth:
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x = 47, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2$16bo$16bobo$16b2o$obo10bo$b2o11b2o$bo11b2o20bo$35bobo$35b2o$10b2o$
11b2o$10bo2$32b2o$32bobo9b3o$32bo11bo$27bo17bo$27b2o$26bobo!
Has the space of "queen-bee-and block interacting with another queen-bee-and-block" been exhaustively searched yet? I assume it has, given there's no other known successful (i.e. the glider escapes) two-queen-bee guns without trivial block shifts like these. Whether it has been or not, it'd make for an interesting catagolue stdin symmetry, as would three bees and more.
Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries
Posted: January 31st, 2022, 11:54 am
by hotdogPi
muzik wrote: ↑January 31st, 2022, 11:52 am
I assume it has, given there's no other known successful (i.e. the glider escapes) two-queen-bee guns without trivial block shifts like these.
Yes. There are three that produce gliders. One is the Gosper Glider Gun, one is unsalvageable, and one works if the glider gets reflected immediately but not on its own.