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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Rhombic » June 27th, 2016, 7:45 am

HWSS eats a somewhat complex still life; disappears entirely within 12x10 in 48 generations:

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x = 17, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$11bo4bo$10bo$10bo5bo$10b6o4$4b2o$4b2o2$2o2b4o$o2bo2bo2bo$2b2o4b
2o!
EDIT! MWSS also eats it from the same position, albeit it happens in a larger bounding box and takes longer:

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x = 16, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
13bo$11bo3bo$10bo$10bo4bo$10b5o4$4b2o$4b2o2$2o2b4o$o2bo2bo2bo$2b2o4b2o
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 27th, 2016, 8:04 am

Glider plus Herschel, gives two herschels:

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x = 25, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$22.A.A$22.2A11$15.3A$16.A$14.3A3$10.D$10.D.D$10.3D$12.D12$3D$2.D
$.3D!
Potentially spaceship driving reaction?

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x = 15, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
12.A$12.A.A$12.2A10$5.3A$6.A$4.3A7$3D$2.D$.3D!

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x = 19, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
14bo$14bo$14bo2$10b3o3b3o2$14bo$14bo$5b2o7bo$5b2o$16b2o$16b2o$12b2o$
11bo2bo$12b2o6$b2o$obo$2bo!

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x = 17, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12bo$12bo2$8b3o3b3o2$12bo$12bo$3b2o7bo$3b2o$14b2o$14b2o$10b2o$9bo
2bo$10b2o7$b2o$obo$2bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Rhombic » June 27th, 2016, 8:05 am

This wick of length=1043 cells reaches the end of the wick after collision with a glider in 1043 generations, effectively carrying the information at c (a complex system to intercept the signal would have to be attached at the end though):

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x = 1047, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
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2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2o$4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
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2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2$2o2b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
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2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 27th, 2016, 8:36 am

c/26? Doesn't seem to be very repeatable though

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x = 24, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
20bo$20bobo$20b2o11$9bo$9bobo$9b2o10bobo$21b2o$22bo6$ob2o$3o$bo3$10bob
o$10b2o$11bo$16b2o$15b2o$17bo13$14b3o$14bo$15bo!
Also, could a p8 oscillator be made from this reaction?

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x = 5, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2bo$2bo$2bo3$o3bo$b3o2$2bo$2bo$2bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Rhombic » June 29th, 2016, 1:21 pm

A period-1200 GGG construct; probably, either it already exists or it is totally useless.

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x = 409, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
264b2o$182b2o80b2o$182b2o$168bo10b2o$168bobo7b3o10b2o$157b2o12b2o6b2o
10b2o$157b2o12b2o9b2o$171b2o9b2o$168bobo$168bo$261b2o3b2o$262b5o136b2o
$262b2ob2o54b2o80b2o$262b2ob2o54b2o$263b3o41bo10b2o$307bobo7b3o10b2o$
296b2o12b2o6b2o10b2o$296b2o12b2o9b2o$310b2o9b2o$307bobo$307bo$400b2o3b
2o$266bo134b5o$265b3o133b2ob2o$264b5o132b2ob2o$263bobobobo132b3o$263b
2o3b2o7$405bo$265b2o137b3o$265b2o136b5o$402bobobobo$402b2o3b2o2$107b2o
$25b2o80b2o$25b2o$11bo10b2o$11bobo7b3o10b2o$2o12b2o6b2o10b2o$2o12b2o9b
2o377b2o$14b2o9b2o377b2o$11bobo$11bo$104b2o3b2o$105b5o$105b2ob2o$105b
2ob2o$106b3o8$109bo$108b3o$107b5o$106bobobobo$106b2o3b2o6$210b2o$209bo
bo$108b2o99bo$108b2o98b2o4$372b2o$372bobo$374bo$374b2o29$53b2o$52bobo$
52bo$51b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 30th, 2016, 11:56 am

Tablespark can evolve into two different blinker fuses

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x = 13, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
o$o$o$o$o$o$6bo5bo$6bo5bo$o5bo5bo$o$o2$o$o$o2$o$o$o2$o$o$o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » June 30th, 2016, 1:30 pm

muzik wrote:Tablespark can evolve into two different blinker fuses

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x = 13, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
o$o$o$o$o$o$6bo5bo$6bo5bo$o5bo5bo$o$o2$o$o$o2$o$o$o2$o$o$o!
How many fuses would you like?

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x = 63, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
62bo$57bo4bo$57bo4bo$57bo5$20bo$19bobo11bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$19bobo
6b3o2bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$20b2o11bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo6$21bo$21bo
$21bo37b3o3$20b3o$59b3o3$20b3o$59b3o3$20b3o$59b3o3$20b3o$59b3o3$20b3o$
14b2o43b3o$14b2o2$14b2o4b3o$14b2o43b3o3$20b3o$59b3o$o3bo3bo3bo17bo3bo
3bo3bo$o3bo3bo3bo17bo3bo3bo3bo$o3bo3bo3bo7b3o7bo3bo3bo3bo$59b3o4$59b3o
4$59b3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by drc » June 30th, 2016, 3:01 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote: How many fuses would you like?
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Are blinkers like dominoes then?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 30th, 2016, 3:27 pm

drc wrote:
BlinkerSpawn wrote: How many fuses would you like?
[/code]
Are blinkers like dominoes then?
Triominoes perhaps?

This gave me an idea for another forum game though: build onto and extend a structure that completely destroys itself.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 30th, 2016, 4:12 pm

muzik wrote:This gave me an idea for another forum game though: build onto and extend a structure that completely destroys itself.
That does sound like fun. Here's a possible place to start -- something I put together for no good reason at all, on 12 April 2003:

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#C pseudorandom Herschel soup
x = 146, y = 71, rule = LifeHistory
35.2A$35.A.A10.A$36.A.A8.A.A$37.A9.2A30.2A37.A$79.2A36.A.A$118.2A2$
69.2A25.2A$69.2A25.A.A$97.A.A$98.A27.A$83.2A40.A.A$83.A.A39.2A$52.2A
30.A$52.A.A$53.A68.2A$122.2A2$39.2A$40.A$40.A.A87.2A$41.2A45.2A40.2A$
60.2A26.2A$49.2A9.2A$12.A36.2A$10..A.A$11.A.A8.2A$12.A9.2A7.2A109.2A$
5.A25.2A52.2A55.A$4.A.A78.2A18.2A36.3A$5.A99.2A38.A4$17.2A.A88.2A$17.
A.2A39.A48.2A$41.2A16.A.A$2.2A37.2A17.A.A$2.2A57.2A2$9.2A$9.2A$43.2A$
43.2A13$2A$2A$38.A49.2A$37.A.A48.2A$36.A.A54.A$36.2A54.A.A$92.A.A$93.
A$103.2A$103.2A$11.2A$11.2A86.2A$99.2A$5.2A$5.2A!
35.2A$35.A.A10.A$36.A.A8.A.A$37.A9.2A30.2A37.A$79.2A36.A.A$118.2A2$
69.2A25.2A$69.2A25.A.A$97.A.A$98.A27.A$83.2A40.A.A$83.A.A39.2A$52.2A
30.A$52.A.A$53.A68.2A$122.2A2$39.2A$40.A$40.A.A87.2A$41.2A45.2A40.2A$
60.2A26.2A$49.2A9.2A$12.A36.2A$10.CA.A$11.A.A8.2A$12.A9.2A7.2A109.2A$
5.A25.2A52.2A55.A$4.A.A78.2A18.2A36.3A$5.A99.2A38.A4$17.2A.A88.2A$17.
A.2A39.A48.2A$41.2A16.A.A$2.2A37.2A17.A.A$2.2A57.2A2$9.2A$9.2A$43.2A$
43.2A13$2A$2A$38.A49.2A$37.A.A48.2A$36.A.A54.A$36.2A54.A.A$92.A.A$93.
A$103.2A$103.2A$11.2A$11.2A86.2A$99.2A$5.2A$5.2A!
As it stands, it's a stable constellation, but if you pick the right place to add a single cell, it will completely self-destruct in 904 ticks.

If anyone needs it, the location of the cell is hidden in the RLE in a fairly obvious way, that LifeViewer and Golly can't see (pun intended) without a little help from a human editor. Here's the original description:
A long time ago, dvgrn wrote:I was reminded that I wanted to check to see how easy it was to convert the average Herschel conduit into a clean-burning fuse. One horrible thought I had was a Game-of-Life equivalent of those mate-in-four chess problems that I always hated [just because the board positions generally seem so contrived, and it's usually easy to mate in five or six...] In this case it would be:

"Add one ON cell to the following pattern to produce an empty universe in less than 1000 generations."

Along those lines, here's some pseudorandom soup I just cooked up -- modified pieces of the first four conduits I tried.* It fails a number of randomness tests -- too many boats and long boats; I was using them to reflect gliders, but I should really have used larger random-looking constellations like the one on the lower right.

But I don't want to make this into an attractive-looking puzzle, for fear someone might like it and produce more of the darn things. Life is hard enough already.

It's obviously very easy to throw together miscellaneous debris that
can catalyze Herschel reactions. When I find an actual use for this
idea, you can be sure I'll post it --
...
* For the record, in order of use, the conduits are:
1. An R-to-Herschel converter
2. A Herschel transceiver
3. A 166-step conduit
4. A Herschel-to-4-glider converter [posted by Paul Callahan on 11 Nov 1996].
Luckily nobody encouraged me at the time, so no more similar puzzles were forthcoming. Eventually the idea evolved into Demonoid self-destruct circuitry... but now it looks like simeks' search program can do a much more efficient job of this kind of Seeding for Destruction, than I could ever manage.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Rhombic » June 30th, 2016, 4:17 pm

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x = 14, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
.A$A2.2A$A2.2A$.A$13.D$11.3D$11.D.D$2A.A.2A4.D$A.2A.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 30th, 2016, 4:28 pm

Here is a reaction that rotates a B-heptomino with a glider and reflects the glider:

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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
and you can indeed do this with it:

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x = 22, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
21bo$19b2o$20b2o22$o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Rhombic » June 30th, 2016, 4:43 pm

muzik wrote:Here is a reaction that rotates a B-heptomino with a glider and reflects the glider:

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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
and you can indeed do this with it:

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x = 22, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
21bo$19b2o$20b2o22$o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Four/eight gliders, with reflectors at a particular distance, creating a brilliant oscillator that is basically a B-heptomino going round and round!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Gamedziner » June 30th, 2016, 4:45 pm

Almost certainly already known reaction, but just in case, Pi pushes beehive one cell forward:

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bo$obo$obo$bo3$3o$obo$obo!

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x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
$4.2A18$4.2A$4.2A2.2A$8.2A!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » June 30th, 2016, 4:50 pm

Rhombic wrote:
muzik wrote:Here is a reaction that rotates a B-heptomino with a glider and reflects the glider:

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x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
and you can indeed do this with it:

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x = 22, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
21bo$19b2o$20b2o22$o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Four/eight gliders, with reflectors at a particular distance, creating a brilliant oscillator that is basically a B-heptomino going round and round!
Well, I was thinking that, but it doesn't rotate, it actually moves, so...


New engineered ship anyone?

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x = 330, y = 336, rule = B3/S23
329bo$327b2o$328b2o22$314bo$313bo$313b3o13$289bobo$289b2o$290bo22$275b
o$275bobo$275b2o12$252bo$250b2o$251b2o22$237bo$236bo$236b3o13$212bobo$
212b2o$213bo22$198bo$198bobo$198b2o12$175bo$173b2o$174b2o22$160bo$159b
o$159b3o13$135bobo$135b2o$136bo22$121bo$121bobo$121b2o12$98bo$96b2o$
97b2o22$83bo$82bo$82b3o13$58bobo$58b2o$59bo22$44bo$44bobo$44b2o12$21bo
$19b2o$20b2o22$o5bo$2o3bo$b2o2b3o$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » June 30th, 2016, 5:59 pm

muzik wrote:New engineered ship anyone?
I think I'll pass for now. That reaction moves the B-heptomino 13 spaces diagonally every 102 ticks, using up two synchronized gliders and spitting out two random gliders to the side.

Here's what I did to find out the period and offset, by the way -- color the original B white in LifeHistory, and then wait for it to reappear. It's pretty straightforward once you get used to it:

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x = 79, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
21.A48.2B$19.2A48.3B$20.2A46.4B$67.4B$43.A22.4B$42.2AB20.4B$42.ABAB
18.4B$43.4B16.4B$44.4B14.4B$45.4B12.4B$46.4B9.5B$47.4B5.2B.4BA$48.4B
3.2A6B2A$49.4B.2AB2A5B2A$50.4BAB2A5B2A3B$49.5BABA11B$48.7BA4B2A5B$48.
11BA6B$48.20B$48.17BA3B$47.17BA2BAB$46.19B2A2B$46.22B$47.17B$C5.A38.
5BD12B$2C3.A39.5B2D8B$.2C2.3A37.6B2D7B$2C46.2B2D8B$50.10B$51.9B$51.9B
$52.6B$52.7B$53.2B.4B$57.4B$58.4B$59.4B$60.4B$61.4B$62.4B$63.4B$64.4B
$65.4B$66.4B$67.4B$68.4B$69.4B$70.4B$71.4B$72.4B$73.4B$74.4B$75.3BA$
76.ABA$77.2A!
To get started on an engineered spaceship, you generally need to have some hope of getting something for free -- more signals coming out than you have to put in. If you're just barely breaking even, you don't have any extra pieces to use to build your helices or whatever... there might be some sparks there that you could rub together by putting multiple B's next to each other, and get extra signals out, but it doesn't look too likely offhand.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » July 1st, 2016, 4:07 pm

Lone dot agar

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x = 53, y = 131, rule = B3/S23
26bo2$25bobo2$26bo$24bo3bo$26bo$23bo5bo$21bo3bobo3bo$23bo5bo$26bo$22bo
bo3bobo$26bo$23bo5bo$21bo3bobo3bo$23bo5bo$20bo5bo5bo$18bo3bobo3bobo3bo
$20bo5bo5bo$23bo5bo$19bobo3bobo3bobo$23bo5bo$20bo5bo5bo$18bo3bobo3bobo
3bo$20bo5bo5bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$15bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$20bo
5bo5bo$16bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$13bobo3bob
o3bobo3bobo3bobo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$12bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo
bo3bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$9bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bob
o3bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$10bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3b
obo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$9bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo
3bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$6bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo
3bobo3bobo3bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$7bobo3bobo3bob
o3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$6bo3bo
bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5b
o5bo5bo$3bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5b
o5bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$4bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$8b
o5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$3bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3b
obo3bobo3bobo3bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$2bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$
o3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$2bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo
5bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$3bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo
$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$4bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3b
obo3bobo3bobo3bobo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$3bo
3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$8bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$6bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5b
o5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$7bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$11bo5bo5b
o5bo5bo5bo$8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$6bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$
8bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$9bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo
3bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$10bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo
bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$9bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3b
o$11bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$12bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$14b
o5bo5bo5bo5bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$13bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$
14bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$16bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$20bo5bo5bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$15bo3b
obo3bobo3bobo3bo$17bo5bo5bo5bo$20bo5bo5bo$18bo3bobo3bobo3bo$20bo5bo5bo
$23bo5bo$19bobo3bobo3bobo$23bo5bo$20bo5bo5bo$18bo3bobo3bobo3bo$20bo5bo
5bo$23bo5bo$21bo3bobo3bo$23bo5bo$26bo$22bobo3bobo$26bo$23bo5bo$21bo3bo
bo3bo$23bo5bo$26bo$24bo3bo$26bo2$25bobo2$26bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » July 1st, 2016, 7:00 pm

muzik wrote:Lone dot agar

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rle
DRH-oscillators.rle has some cool things in it, as you should recall from other times I've had you check it out:

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
9b2o2b2o$9bobo2bo$13bo$6b2o2bo5b2o$6bobo3bobo2bo$10bo5bo$3b2o2bo5bo5b
2o$3bobo3bobo3bobo2bo$7bo5bo5bo$2o2bo5bo5bo5b2o$obo3bobo3bobo3bobo2bo$
4bo5bo5bo5bo$bo5bo5bo5bo$o2bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$2o5bo5bo5bo2b2o$4bo5bo
5bo$3bo2bobo3bobo3bobo$3b2o5bo5bo2b2o$7bo5bo$6bo2bobo3bobo$6b2o5bo2b2o
$10bo$9bo2bobo$9b2o2b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Gamedziner » July 2nd, 2016, 8:37 am

Stabilizer for even length-n hollow square polyominoes.

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14b2ob2o20b2ob2o$10b2obobobobob2o12b2obobobobob2o$6b2obobobobobobobobob2o4b2obobobobobobobobob2o$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$3b3obobobobobobobobobobob4obobobobobobobobobobob3o$2bo4bobobobobobobobobobo6bobobobobobobobobobo4bo$2b6obobobobobobobobob8obobobobobobobobob6o$9bobobobobobobobo10bobobobobobobobo$2b8obobobobobobob12obobobobobobob8o$bo9bobobobobobo14bobobobobobo9bo$b11obobobobob16obobobobob11o$13bobobobo18bobobobo$b13obobob20obobob13o$o14bobo22bobo14bo$16ob24ob16o2$16ob24ob16o$o14bobo22bobo14bo$b13obobob20obobob13o$13bobobobo18bobobobo$b11obobobobob16obobobobob11o$bo9bobobobobobo14bobobobobobo9bo$2b8obobobobobobob12obobobobobobob8o$9bobobobobobobobo10bobobobobobobobo$2b6obobobobobobobobob8obobobobobobobobob6o$2bo4bobobobobobobobobobo6bobobobobobobobobobo4bo$3b3obobobobobobobobobobob4obobobobobobobobobobob3o$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$3b3obobobobobobobobobobob4obobobobobobobobobobob3o$2bo4bobobobobobobobobobo6bobobobobobobobobobo4bo$2b6obobobobobobobobob8obobobobobobobobob6o$9bobobobobobobobo10bobobobobobobobo$2b8obobobobobobob12obobobobobobob8o$bo9bobobobobobo14bobobobobobo9bo$b11obobobobob16obobobobob11o$13bobobobo18bobobobo$b13obobob20obobob13o$o14bobo22bobo14bo$16ob24ob16o2$16ob24ob16o$o14bobo22bobo14bo$b13obobob20obobob13o$13bobobobo18bobobobo$b11obobobobob16obobobobob11o$bo9bobobobobobo14bobobobobobo9bo$2b8obobobobobobob12obobobobobobob8o$9bobobobobobobobo10bobobobobobobobo$2b6obobobobobobobobob8obobobobobobobobob6o$2bo4bobobobobobobobobobo6bobobobobobobobobobo4bo$3b3obobobobobobobobobobob4obobobobobobobobobobob3o$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$5bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$6b2obobobobobobobobob2o4b2obobobobobobobobob2o$10b2obobobobob2o12b2obobobobob2o$14b2ob2o20b2ob2o!
Using more squares and the same stabilization method, you can make infinitely many different (albeit very dirty) fuses.
(If I could name this, I would call it Squareflower.)

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x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
$4.2A18$4.2A$4.2A2.2A$8.2A!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Bullet51 » July 2nd, 2016, 11:14 am

Some possible reactions that could lead to eater-3 syntheses:

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8b3o$11bo$11b2o$11b2o$6b3o$5bo2bo2bo$5bobo$2o3b2o$2o$bo$2b3obo$3b
2o!

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x = 18, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11b2o3bo$10b2o4bo$11b2o3bo$6b2o$5b2o$4b2o10b2o$4bo11b2o3$2bo$b3o$
2obo4$b3o2b2o$6b2o!

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9bobo$10bo4b3o$14bo3bo$13bo5bo$13bo5bo$13bo5bo$14bo3bo$15b3o$2o$o
bo$bo15b2o$17b2o$4b3o6b2o$3bo3bo5b2o$2bo5bo$2bo5bo$2bo5bo2b2o$3bo3bo3b
2o$4b3o!

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2bo$3b2o$2b2o2$bo$2o2b3o$4bo2bo$5bobo$6b2o3bo$10b2o$10bobo$7b2o$7bo!
It seems there is a solution with less than 20 gliders.

EDIT: The 3rd pattern demonstrates a solution with 19 gliders (16 for the base still life, 3 for the loaf).
Still drifting.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by mniemiec » July 2nd, 2016, 12:44 pm

Bullet51 wrote:Some possible reactions that could lead to eater-3 syntheses: ... The 3rd pattern demonstrates a solution with 19 gliders (16 for the base still life, 3 for the loaf).
Nice! Much better than the previous 72-glider synthesis. Actually, it's 16 and 18, as the loaf only costs 2 extra gliders:

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x = 158, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
100bo$98boo$99boo7$78bo$77bo$77b3o$71bo$72bo$70b3o$4bo73bo35boo18boo
18boo$3bo75boo32bobbo16bobbo16bobbo$3b3o72boobbobo29b3o17b3o17b3o$bo
80boo$bbo62bo17bo28b5o15b5o15b5o$3o28boo30bobo5boo38bo4bo14bo4bo14bo4b
o$31boo31boo5boo37bobbo16bobbo16bobbo$12bobo92bobboboo13bobboboo13bobb
oboo$13boo29bo39bo21bobobo15bobobo6bo8bobobo5bo$13bo29bobo37bobo20bobo
bo15bobobo5bo9bobobo4bobo$44boo38boo21booboo15booboo4b3o8booboobbobbo$
13b3o45boo92boo$13bo46bobo3bobo66boo$14bo47bo4boo65bobo$67bo68bo$$3bo
64boo$4booboo26bo33boo4bo$3boobbobo24bobo31bo5bobo$7bo27boo38boo13$52b
o$52boo$51bobo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by muzik » July 2nd, 2016, 1:30 pm

p2 billard table

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x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo$7bo2$5b5o$4bobo3bo$bo2b2o4bo2bo$obobo5bobobo$bo2bo4b2o2bo$4b
o3bobo$5b5o2$7bo$6bobo$7bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » July 2nd, 2016, 3:17 pm

Bullet51 wrote:Some possible reactions that could lead to eater-3 syntheses:

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x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9bobo$10bo4b3o$14bo3bo$13bo5bo$13bo5bo$13bo5bo$14bo3bo$15b3o$2o$o
bo$bo15b2o$17b2o$4b3o6b2o$3bo3bo5b2o$2bo5bo$2bo5bo$2bo5bo2b2o$3bo3bo3b
2o$4b3o!
It seems there is a solution with less than 20 gliders.

EDIT: The 3rd pattern demonstrates a solution with 19 gliders (16 for the base still life, 3 for the loaf).
Here it is (the loaf takes 2, not 3):

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x = 282, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
207bo$207bobo$207b2o5$13bo$14bo$12b3o175bo$32b2o18b2o28b2o28b2o28b2o
38b2o4b2o$14bo17bobo17bobo27bobo27bobo27bobo37bobo4b2o$13b2o18bo19bo
29bo29bo29bo39bo$13bobo173bo$188b2o$188bobo50bo$241bobo$241b2o$271b2o$
2bo20b2o18b2o28b2o28b2o28b2o38b2o42b2ob2o17b3o4b2ob2o19bo2bo2b2ob2o$ob
o2b2o16bobo17bobo27bobo27bobo15bo11bobo37bobo42bobobo18bo5bobobo18bobo
4bobobo$b2ob2o18bo19bo12bobo14bo29bo16bobo10bo15b2o22bo15b2o26bobobo
17bo6bobobo19bo5bobobo$6bo50b2o62b2o27b2o38b2o23b2obo2bo22b2obo2bo23b
2obo2bo$58bo27b2o28b2o6b2o20b2o38b2o27bo2bo25bo2bo26bo2bo$55bo30b2o28b
2o6bobo19b2o38b2o24bo4bo23bo4bo24bo4bo$55b2o67bo48bo3b2o33b5o24b5o25b
5o$54bobo116b2ob2o$144b2o26bobo3bo5b2o26b3o26b3o27b3o$113b3o28b2o38b2o
26bo2bo25bo2bo26bo2bo$115bo97b2o27b2o28b2o$114bo$116b3o$116bo$117bo11$
163b3o$165bo$164bo!
Coincidentally, this is exactly one-fourth the cost currently posted in Mark Niemiec's database. (72)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by mniemiec » July 2nd, 2016, 3:47 pm

Bullet51 wrote:Some possible reactions that could lead to eater-3 syntheses: ... The 3rd pattern demonstrates a solution with 19 gliders (16 for the base still life, 3 for the loaf).
BlinkerSpawn wrote:Here it is (the loaf takes 2, not 3): ...
We must have been working in parallel (see above). Our solutions are slightly different, but equivalent. Yours does have one error (which I also had originally, but fixed before posting). One of the gliders that makes the honeyfarm would interfere with one of the blocks, so the block must be brought in behind it.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » July 2nd, 2016, 5:58 pm

mniemiec wrote:
Bullet51 wrote:Some possible reactions that could lead to eater-3 syntheses: ... The 3rd pattern demonstrates a solution with 19 gliders (16 for the base still life, 3 for the loaf).
BlinkerSpawn wrote:Here it is (the loaf takes 2, not 3): ...
We must have been working in parallel (see above).
I actually hadn't seen your post (Whoops.)
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