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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Ian07 » May 20th, 2020, 10:01 am

Hunting wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:48 am
Yeah, but the problem is "and thus not counted". If Unix on snacker is known by 1976, how is 117P18 "the first period 18 oscillator to be found"?
Pretty much because previous people decades ago decided that LCM oscillators don't really count. For example, Bill Gosper alluded to the existence of an LCM-based p24 oscillator in September 1994, a month before he discovered 186P24, referring to the latter as the "first nonboring p24". Dean Hickerson referred to it as the "first nontrivial p24", evidently using a different definition of "trivial" and thus implicitly excluding the boring p24. I don't really agree with this definition (particularly due to the existence of borderline cases like 87P26) but I can see where he's coming from, considering that these oscillators are easy to manually construct and ultimately rather useless when it comes to interacting with other objects.

Regardless, this definition has stuck when it comes to the first-discovered oscillators of a given period on the wiki, though weirdly not for the smallest known oscillators. I've tried using footnotes on the respective wiki pages to help resolve the confusion between these two definitions of triviality.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Hunting » May 20th, 2020, 10:05 am

Ian07 wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:01 am
Regardless, this definition has stuck when it comes to the first-discovered oscillators of a given period on the wiki, though weirdly not for the smallest known oscillators. I've tried using footnotes on the respective wiki pages to help resolve the confusion between these two definitions of triviality.
I would prefer adding a section about this in the Oscillator page or something and change all those "first" to "first non-boring", because saying it's the first is just wrong.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Saka » May 20th, 2020, 10:06 am

I find it strange that there is no article for the "first p132 oscillator known" as listed on the Oscillator wiki page: the "p132 pi-heptomino hassler".

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4bo4bobo4bo$2o2b2o2b4obo2bo3bo$2ob4o3bo2bo2bo2bo$b2o3bobob2o$3bobobo5b
obobobo$3bobobob2o3bo2bobo!
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by GUYTU6J » May 20th, 2020, 11:45 am

Saka wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:06 am
I find it strange that there is no article for the "first p132 oscillator known" as listed on the Oscillator wiki page: the "p132 pi-heptomino hassler".
Probably it doesn't warrant a dedicated article, because it is a variant of p44 pi-heptomino hassler (see DRH-oscillators.rle):

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x = 42, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
20b2o10b2o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$19b3o2b6o2b3o$22b2o6b2o$21bo10bo$21b2obo4bob
2o$4bo21b2o$4b3o$7bo$6b2o23b2o$31b2o6$26bo$2b2o21b3o12b2o$bobo20bo3bo
11b2o$bo22b2ob2o$2o3$2o$bo22b2ob2o$bobo20bo3bo11b2o$2b2o21b3o12b2o$26b
o6$31b2o$6b2o23b2o$7bo$4b3o$4bo21b2o$21b2obo4bob2o$21bo10bo$22b2o6b2o$
19b3o2b6o2b3o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$20b2o10b2o!
Nonetheless it can be treated similarly to the p88 pi-heptomino hassler.

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x = 33, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4b2o8bobo11b2o$15b2o11bobo$15bo14bo$30b2o$15b2o10b2obo$14bo2bo8bo
bobobo$15bobo9bo3b2o$16bo4$3bob2o$b3ob2o13b2o$o19b2o$b3ob2o6b2o$3bobo
7b2o$3bobo$4bo!
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by calcyman » May 20th, 2020, 1:36 pm

Hunting wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:48 am
Yeah, but the problem is "and thus not counted". If Unix on snacker is known by 1976, how is 117P18 "the first period 18 oscillator to be found"?
I think you're correct here. I'll amend the wording in the LifeWiki accordingly.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by toroidalet » May 20th, 2020, 8:55 pm

Glider-Block Cycle is listed as an oscillator despite not being one. It should be moved to Category:Wicks.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Ian07 » May 20th, 2020, 9:49 pm

toroidalet wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 8:55 pm
Glider-Block Cycle is listed as an oscillator despite not being one. It should be moved to Category:Wicks.
Done. (The page is actually Glider-block cycle.)

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by GUYTU6J » May 23rd, 2020, 6:05 am

Proposed merging for user pages: User:Ian07/Still life islands, User:Bubblegum/Patterns/SSLWSM, User:BlinkerSpawn#Minimal_Matching_Patterns. What a scattering of quite related information!

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x = 33, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4b2o8bobo11b2o$15b2o11bobo$15bo14bo$30b2o$15b2o10b2obo$14bo2bo8bo
bobobo$15bobo9bo3b2o$16bo4$3bob2o$b3ob2o13b2o$o19b2o$b3ob2o6b2o$3bobo
7b2o$3bobo$4bo!
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by GUYTU6J » May 24th, 2020, 8:21 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 12:15 pm
dvgrn wrote: <how the absolute color of a glider is defined>
...There's of course some confusion similar to "why do we define the imaginary unit to be √(-1) instead of -√(-1)", but this is not a big issue. ...
Interestingly the explanation in Lifewiki (Glider#Colour_of_a_glider) and the "color" entry in Life Lexicon use two different glider phases that are the same under reflection.

EDIT: can we delete Lifewiki spam accounts like this?

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x = 33, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4b2o8bobo11b2o$15b2o11bobo$15bo14bo$30b2o$15b2o10b2obo$14bo2bo8bo
bobobo$15bobo9bo3b2o$16bo4$3bob2o$b3ob2o13b2o$o19b2o$b3ob2o6b2o$3bobo
7b2o$3bobo$4bo!
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Please add more informations about people!

Post by BokaBB » May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am

Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

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Re: Please add more informations about people!

Post by gameoflifemaniac » May 28th, 2020, 1:22 pm

BokaBB wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am
Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

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That's actually a good idea! I've also looked at some of the people on LifeWiki and yeah, almost nothing. Someone could fill in those gaps there, but only with the permission of that person, of course.
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Re: Please add more informations about people!

Post by Hunting » May 29th, 2020, 5:56 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 1:22 pm
BokaBB wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am
Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

BokaBB
That's actually a good idea! I've also looked at some of the people on LifeWiki and yeah, almost nothing. Someone could fill in those gaps there, but only with the permission of that person, of course.
I don't think we got permission from JHC to add his information, so I guess we won't need that.
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Macbi » May 30th, 2020, 7:18 am

Legally you don't need permission to add publicly available information about a person. And morally I wouldn't worry either since the kind of information we want on LifeWiki is unlikely to be sensitive, offensive or harmful. We can always remove information if anyone complains.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by gameoflifemaniac » May 30th, 2020, 5:01 pm

Macbi wrote:
May 30th, 2020, 7:18 am
Legally you don't need permission to add publicly available information about a person. And morally I wouldn't worry either since the kind of information we want on LifeWiki is unlikely to be sensitive, offensive or harmful. We can always remove information if anyone complains.
I agree
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