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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Ian07 » May 20th, 2020, 10:01 am

Hunting wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:48 am
Yeah, but the problem is "and thus not counted". If Unix on snacker is known by 1976, how is 117P18 "the first period 18 oscillator to be found"?
Pretty much because previous people decades ago decided that LCM oscillators don't really count. For example, Bill Gosper alluded to the existence of an LCM-based p24 oscillator in September 1994, a month before he discovered 186P24, referring to the latter as the "first nonboring p24". Dean Hickerson referred to it as the "first nontrivial p24", evidently using a different definition of "trivial" and thus implicitly excluding the boring p24. I don't really agree with this definition (particularly due to the existence of borderline cases like 87P26) but I can see where he's coming from, considering that these oscillators are easy to manually construct and ultimately rather useless when it comes to interacting with other objects.

Regardless, this definition has stuck when it comes to the first-discovered oscillators of a given period on the wiki, though weirdly not for the smallest known oscillators. I've tried using footnotes on the respective wiki pages to help resolve the confusion between these two definitions of triviality.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Hunting » May 20th, 2020, 10:05 am

Ian07 wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:01 am
Regardless, this definition has stuck when it comes to the first-discovered oscillators of a given period on the wiki, though weirdly not for the smallest known oscillators. I've tried using footnotes on the respective wiki pages to help resolve the confusion between these two definitions of triviality.
I would prefer adding a section about this in the Oscillator page or something and change all those "first" to "first non-boring", because saying it's the first is just wrong.

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Post by Saka » May 20th, 2020, 10:06 am

I find it strange that there is no article for the "first p132 oscillator known" as listed on the Oscillator wiki page: the "p132 pi-heptomino hassler".

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Post by GUYTU6J » May 20th, 2020, 11:45 am

Saka wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:06 am
I find it strange that there is no article for the "first p132 oscillator known" as listed on the Oscillator wiki page: the "p132 pi-heptomino hassler".
Probably it doesn't warrant a dedicated article, because it is a variant of p44 pi-heptomino hassler (see DRH-oscillators.rle):

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x = 42, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
20b2o10b2o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$19b3o2b6o2b3o$22b2o6b2o$21bo10bo$21b2obo4bob
2o$4bo21b2o$4b3o$7bo$6b2o23b2o$31b2o6$26bo$2b2o21b3o12b2o$bobo20bo3bo
11b2o$bo22b2ob2o$2o3$2o$bo22b2ob2o$bobo20bo3bo11b2o$2b2o21b3o12b2o$26b
o6$31b2o$6b2o23b2o$7bo$4b3o$4bo21b2o$21b2obo4bob2o$21bo10bo$22b2o6b2o$
19b3o2b6o2b3o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$20b2o10b2o!
Nonetheless it can be treated similarly to the p88 pi-heptomino hassler.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by calcyman » May 20th, 2020, 1:36 pm

Hunting wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 12:48 am
Yeah, but the problem is "and thus not counted". If Unix on snacker is known by 1976, how is 117P18 "the first period 18 oscillator to be found"?
I think you're correct here. I'll amend the wording in the LifeWiki accordingly.
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Post by toroidalet » May 20th, 2020, 8:55 pm

Glider-Block Cycle is listed as an oscillator despite not being one. It should be moved to Category:Wicks.
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Post by Ian07 » May 20th, 2020, 9:49 pm

toroidalet wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 8:55 pm
Glider-Block Cycle is listed as an oscillator despite not being one. It should be moved to Category:Wicks.
Done. (The page is actually Glider-block cycle.)

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Post by GUYTU6J » May 23rd, 2020, 6:05 am

Proposed merging for user pages: User:Ian07/Still life islands, User:Bubblegum/Patterns/SSLWSM, User:BlinkerSpawn#Minimal_Matching_Patterns. What a scattering of quite related information!

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Post by GUYTU6J » May 24th, 2020, 8:21 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 12:15 pm
dvgrn wrote: <how the absolute color of a glider is defined>
...There's of course some confusion similar to "why do we define the imaginary unit to be √(-1) instead of -√(-1)", but this is not a big issue. ...
Interestingly the explanation in Lifewiki (Glider#Colour_of_a_glider) and the "color" entry in Life Lexicon use two different glider phases that are the same under reflection.

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Please add more informations about people!

Post by BokaBB » May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am

Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

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Re: Please add more informations about people!

Post by gameoflifemaniac » May 28th, 2020, 1:22 pm

BokaBB wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am
Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

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That's actually a good idea! I've also looked at some of the people on LifeWiki and yeah, almost nothing. Someone could fill in those gaps there, but only with the permission of that person, of course.
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b4o25bo$o29bo$b3o3b3o2bob2o2bob2o2bo3bobo$4bobo3bob2o2bob2o2bobo3bobo$
4bobo3bobo5bo5bo3bobo$o3bobo3bobo5bo6b4o$b3o3b3o2bo5bo9bobo$24b4o!

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Re: Please add more informations about people!

Post by Hunting » May 29th, 2020, 5:56 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 1:22 pm
BokaBB wrote:
May 28th, 2020, 8:57 am
Most articles about people on LifeWiki have almost no information about them. Please try to add more!
Have a good day!

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That's actually a good idea! I've also looked at some of the people on LifeWiki and yeah, almost nothing. Someone could fill in those gaps there, but only with the permission of that person, of course.
I don't think we got permission from JHC to add his information, so I guess we won't need that.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Macbi » May 30th, 2020, 7:18 am

Legally you don't need permission to add publicly available information about a person. And morally I wouldn't worry either since the kind of information we want on LifeWiki is unlikely to be sensitive, offensive or harmful. We can always remove information if anyone complains.

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Post by gameoflifemaniac » May 30th, 2020, 5:01 pm

Macbi wrote:
May 30th, 2020, 7:18 am
Legally you don't need permission to add publicly available information about a person. And morally I wouldn't worry either since the kind of information we want on LifeWiki is unlikely to be sensitive, offensive or harmful. We can always remove information if anyone complains.
I agree
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b4o25bo$o29bo$b3o3b3o2bob2o2bob2o2bo3bobo$4bobo3bob2o2bob2o2bobo3bobo$
4bobo3bobo5bo5bo3bobo$o3bobo3bobo5bo6b4o$b3o3b3o2bo5bo9bobo$24b4o!

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by GUYTU6J » June 16th, 2020, 1:08 am

I agree with muzik on this issue:
muzik wrote:
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dvgrn wrote:
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muzik wrote:
April 13th, 2020, 7:55 pm
What user rights group is required to be able to move pages without leaving a redirect?
The group that gives me that checkbox option is "administrator". Maybe "interface administrator" or "bureaucrat" would do the same, I'm not sure -- haven't investigated exactly what those groups are good for.
Certainly seems a tad excessive. On all the other wikis I remember having moved pages on, the option to not leave a redirect was always there for registered confirmed users. Could it be changed on the LifeWiki to trusted users? I doubt there'd be much abuse of it, especially seeing the community here isn't as big.
Currently there are too many redirects under user namespace (those italic entries here), and they are mostly useless (apart from a few recursive test pages).

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The p44 pi-heptomino hassler page contains a broken link to p132piheptominohassler.rle. It should be

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#N p132 pi-heptomino hassler
#O David Buckingham
#C The first period 132 oscillator to be discovered
x = 42, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
20b2o10b2o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$19b3o2b6o2b3o$22b2o6b2o$21bo10bo$21b2obo4bob
2o$4bo21b2o$4b3o$7bo$6b2o23b2o$31b2o6$26bo$2b2o21b3o12b2o$bobo20bo3bo
11b2o$bo22b2ob2o$2o3$2o$bo22b2ob2o$bobo20bo3bo11b2o$2b2o21b3o12b2o$26b
o6$31b2o$6b2o23b2o$7bo$4b3o$4bo21b2o$21b2obo4bob2o$21bo10bo$22b2o6b2o$
19b3o2b6o2b3o$19bo2bo8bo2bo$20b2o10b2o!

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by dvgrn » June 16th, 2020, 8:13 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
June 16th, 2020, 1:08 am
p44 pi-heptomino hassler page contains a broken link to p132piheptominohassler.rle.
Uploaded -- thanks! If you find many more of these, they're most convenient to deal with either as additions to the RLE namespace -- i.e., a page under https://conwaylife.com/wiki/RLE:p132piheptominohassler -- or as a ZIP file containing multiple RLE files, which could be attached to a post. The ZIP file saves having to make lots of code boxes in a message and copy in the RLE, and then me having to copy the text back out one by one and re-create the files with the correct filenames before uploading.

As things currently stand, the RLE namespace idea only works if there's an infobox or an embedded viewer in a main-namespace article pointing to that particular pname, and if no version of that file has been uploaded before. I could adjust the auto-upload script to also upload other {pname}.rle files, but would have to figure out a safe place to get a list of pnames from. I'd rather not just indiscriminately upload everything in the RLE namespace, because some of those files might be used on pages in the User namespace, and those might not necessarily belong in the pattern collection.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by GUYTU6J » June 16th, 2020, 11:41 pm

LifeViewer is now equipped with the command RAMDOMIZE to create a random pattern upon launching. I tried to put one in the soup page.
Can we integrate such a LifeViewer in Template:Rule, replacing the static image and showing the motion of a rule?

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Post by muzik » June 18th, 2020, 10:53 am

If anyone's up for improving some images: https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Special ... e:reupload

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Post by bubblegum » June 23rd, 2020, 10:19 pm

okay

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#N Fx153
#O Paul Callahan, February 1997
#C Repeat time 69 ticks
#C http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Fx153
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/fx153.rle
x = 38, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
27bo$2bo23bobo$2bo23bobo$3o9b2o11b2ob3o$o11b2o17bo$25b2ob3o$25b2obo9$
36b2o$36b2o2$9bo$9bobo$9b3o$11bo2$23b2o$23bo$24b3o$26bo!

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! Fx153
! Paul Callahan, February 1997
! Repeat time 69 ticks
! http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Fx153
! http://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/fx153.cells
...........................O..........
..O.......................O.O.........
..O.......................O.O.........
OOO.........OO...........OO.OOO.......
O...........OO.................O......
.........................OO.OOO.......
.........................OO.O.........
......................................
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....................................OO
....................................OO
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.........O............................
.........O.O..........................
.........OOO..........................
...........O..........................
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.......................OO.............
.......................O..............
........................OOO...........
..........................O...........
Fx153
Bx125
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Chris857 » June 28th, 2020, 9:37 pm

https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Achim%27s_p16/Snippet (the Featured Article blurb currently up) says that it is the smallest p16 oscillator, but that is no longer true i.e. the snippet should be updated to match the article.

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Post by dvgrn » June 28th, 2020, 9:50 pm

Chris857 wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 9:37 pm
https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Achim%27s_p16/Snippet (the Featured Article blurb currently up) says that it is the smallest p16 oscillator, but that is no longer true i.e. the snippet should be updated to match the article.
Done, thanks!

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Post by HartmutHolzwart » July 3rd, 2020, 3:30 am

could we have an article about agar space clearers of common agars (lieke the one Keith Amling constructed recently in the agar crawlers thread.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by bubblegum » July 22nd, 2020, 8:14 pm

Jaydot synth:

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#N 9jd.rle
#O Mark D. Niemiec's life synthesis database, Thu Feb 19 02:05:21 2015
x = 69, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
4bo39bo$3bo39bo$3b3o37b3o2$obo37bobo$boo38boo$bo21b2o16bo21b2o$22b3o
37b3o2$23bo25bo13bo$23b2o2bo19b2o14b2o$b2o19bo5bo12b2o5b2o12bo$obo5b2o
30bobo25bo$2bo4b2o33bo24bo$9bo16$2bo39bo$3bo39bo$b3o37b3o2$4bobo37bobo
$4b2o38b2o$5bo16b2o21bo16b2o$22b3o37b3o2$23bo25bo13bo$23b2o2bo19b2o14b
2o$b2o19bo5bo12b2o5b2o12bo$obo5b2o30bobo25bo$2bo4b2o33bo24bo$9bo!
with side of duoplets (they were marked in the original)
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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Ian07 » July 25th, 2020, 2:34 pm

bubblegum wrote:
July 22nd, 2020, 8:14 pm
Jaydot synth:
Added, thanks. I could've sworn I remember looking through the methuselah section of Mark's site and didn't find this, but I guess I missed it somehow.

EDIT: Hmm, the URL now given on the Jaydot page doesn't seem to work: http://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/jaydot_synth.rle

However, adding https:// to the beginning makes it show the RLE: https://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/jaydot_synth.rle

This doesn't seem to be an issue with any of the other patterns in the collection.

EDIT 2: Got around this by simply changing the templates to now link to https.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by goldenratio » July 28th, 2020, 1:31 pm

https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Kickback

No RLE/Plaintext file for the 90-degree reactions? (clicking returns a Not Found message)
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