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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by ihatecorderships » January 13th, 2022, 9:50 am

Should all the oscillators/things in the gallery of 44P38 be changed to using yujh's reduction?
Also, I discovered figure eight on 44P38 independently, if not first.
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Post by May13 » January 17th, 2022, 9:54 am

p120 interchange hassler in OCA:HoneyLife doesn't works in B38/S238:

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x = 32, y = 18, rule = B38/S238
13b2o2b2o$13b2o2b2o$13b2o2b2o6$2o28b2o$2o28b2o6$13b2o2b2o$13b2o2b2o$13b
2o2b2o!
Most likely it should be in OCA:Pedestrian Life.
What's about adding information about B38/S238-specific oscillators from Catagolue instead of "p120"?

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x = 56, y = 106, rule = B38/S238
obobo3bobobo2$4bo7bo2$4bo3bobobo$37b2o3b2o$4bo7bo14b2o9bo3bo9b2o$26bo
2bo7b2o3b2o7bo2bo$4bo3bobobo13bo2bo6bobo3bobo6bo2bo$27b2o7b3o3b3o7b2o
7$28b2o21b2o$25bobobo21bobobo$25b5o21b5o4$25b5o21b5o$25bobobo21bobobo$
28b2o21b2o7$27b2o7b3o3b3o7b2o$26bo2bo6bobo3bobo6bo2bo$26bo2bo7b2o3b2o
7bo2bo$27b2o9bo3bo9b2o$37b2o3b2o15$obobo3bobobo2$o3bo3bo$23bo$obobo3bo
bobo9b2o10bo$22bo4bo6bo$4bo3bo3bo13b3o5bo$26b3o$obobo3bobobo11b5obo$
24bobobobo$24bobobobo$24b5obo$26b3o$26b3o5bo$22bo4bo6bo$22b2o10bo$23bo
14$2bo5bo3bo3bobobo2$obo5bo3bo7bo2$2bo5bobobo3bobobo2$2bo9bo3bo$38bo$o
bobo7bo3bobobo16b3o$36bo3bo$36b2ob2o2$42b2o$42bobo$44b2o$42bobo$29b2o
11b2o$28bobo$27b2o$28bobo$29b2o2$32b2ob2o$32bo3bo$33b3o$34bo!
And (maybe) this 3c/7 spaceship (605P7H3V0) from new-gliders.db, because this is the only known (elementary, if I'm not mistaken, it can support p7 and p28 waves) 3c/7 spaceship in HoneyLife?

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x = 31, y = 98, rule = B38/S238
9bo11bo$8bobo9bobo$7b2ob2o7b2ob2o$7bo15bo$7b3o2bo5bo2b3o$5bo7bo3bo7bo$
6b2o2b2ob2ob2ob2o2b2o$6bobo4bo3bo4bobo$3b3ob3o2b2o3b2o2b3ob3o$3b2ob4ob
3o3b3ob4ob2o$4b4o4b2o3b2o4b4o$5bo5b2o5b2o5bo$9bo2bo5bo2bo$8b3obo5bob3o
$7bo5b2ob2o5bo$6b3ob2ob2ob2ob2ob3o$3b2ob2o15b2ob2o$2b2ob2ob2ob4ob4ob2o
b2ob2o$12b2o3b2o$3bo23bo$2ob2o6bo7bo6b2ob2o$b2o8b2o5b2o8b2o2$12b3ob3o
2$2b3o21b3o$2b2ob2o17b2ob2o$4b3o4b3o3b3o4b3o$b3obobo2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobob
3o$3bo9bo3bo9bo$3b3ob3o3b2ob2o3b3ob3o$3b3o3bo11bo3b3o$3bobo3b2o9b2o3bo
bo$3b2o7bobobobo7b2o$8bo5bobo5bo$bo4b2o5bo3bo5b2o4bo$3b3obo15bob3o$3bo
3bob3o7b3obo3bo$4b5ob2o7b2ob5o$9b2obo5bob2o$11b2o5b2o$9b3o7b3o2$8bobo
9bobo$7bo3bo7bo3bo$6b2o3bo7bo3b2o$5bob2o2bo7bo2b2obo$5b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o$
5b2o2b3o7b3o2b2o$7bo2bobo5bobo2bo$9bo3bo3bo3bo$14bobo$10bo2bo3bo2bo$6b
2o3b2o5b2o3b2o$5bob2o2b2o5b2o2b2obo$5bobo15bobo$4bo7bo5bo7bo$10b2o7b2o
$10b3o5b3o$5b2o3bobo5bobo3b2o$4b3o3b2o7b2o3b3o$5bo19bo$10bobo5bobo$11b
2o5b2o$3bob4o4bo3bo4b4obo$4b2o3b2ob3ob3ob2o3b2o$10bobobobobobo$5bo4bo
2b2ob2o2bo4bo$7b4ob2o3b2ob4o$7bob2obo5bob2obo$11bobo3bobo$11b2o5b2o$
11bobo3bobo$15bo$14bobo$10b2o7b2o$5bo5bo3bo3bo5bo$4b3o6b2ob2o6b3o$3b2o
2bo5b2ob2o5bo2b2o$2b3o2b2ob2o7b2ob2o2b3o$2b3o3bob11obo3b3o$4bo2bo3bo3b
o3bo3bo2bo$6b2o15b2o$6b4o11b4o$14b3o2$13bo3bo2$12b2obob2o$12bo2bo2bo2$
15bo2$13b2ob2o$11bo2bobo2bo$11bo2bobo2bo$11b2obobob2o$13bo3bo!
Edit: oscillators added to LifeWiki by hotdogPi
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The latest version of hex-gliders.db have 249 spaceships from OT hexagonal rules.

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Chris857 » January 17th, 2022, 11:30 am

https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Table_o ... _by_period
The table by period shows p39 as only being an LCM, but iNoMed posted a more fundamentally p39 oscillator here: https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewt ... 11#p140411

(monomer form that was posted)

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x = 39, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo2$10bo$10bo2bo$9bo$9bo$9bo3bo$10b3o$5b3o7b2o$bob2o3bo6b2o$o
7bo$bo6bo$4bo2bo2$9b2o$9b2o2$15bo$14bobo9b2o3b2o$13bo3bo8bobo2b2o$13bo
3bo9bo$13b2ob2o$7b2o$6bobo19b2o$6bo21b3o$5b2o$28bo2bo$28bobo$30bo$18b
2o$18b2o8bo6bo$23b2o2b3o3b2o2bo$23b2o3bobo6b2o$29b3o2b2ob2o$30bo3$29b
2o$29b2o!

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by Ian07 » January 17th, 2022, 1:59 pm

Chris857 wrote:
January 17th, 2022, 11:30 am
https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Table_o ... _by_period
The table by period shows p39 as only being an LCM, but iNoMed posted a more fundamentally p39 oscillator here: https://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewt ... 11#p140411
The colors are for the smallest known oscillator of each period, so unless someone manages to find a p39 under 46 cells, the "p39" in the table will stay that way for now.

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Post by Book » January 18th, 2022, 7:16 pm

I'd like to merge the p1 wiki article. It reads: "P1 is an abbreviation for period 1, i.e., stable. In the context of logic circuitry, this tends to mean that a mechanism is constructed from Herschel conduits that contain only still lifes as catalysts." My questions is, which article is the best merge target? And is there a better way to word it?

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Post by dvgrn » January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm

Book wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 7:16 pm
I'd like to merge the p1 wiki article. It reads: "P1 is an abbreviation for period 1, i.e., stable. In the context of logic circuitry, this tends to mean that a mechanism is constructed from Herschel conduits that contain only still lifes as catalysts." My questions is, which article is the best merge target? And is there a better way to word it?
It seems reasonable to merge with the still life article, as the tag on "p1" suggests.

However, the Life Lexicon also has a couple of sentences on "p1" as opposed to "p2" slow salvos, which wouldn't fit under "still life" at all. That might have been one of the reasons that "p1" existed as a separate Lexicon entry in the first place.
In the context of slow glider construction, a P1 slow salvo is one in which there are no constraints on the parity of gliders in the salvo, because the intermediate targets are all stable constellations. (The usual alternative is a "P2 slow salvo", where the relative timing between adjacent gliders can be increased arbitrarily, but only by multiples of two ticks.)
But I see that that's covered now as a section of the slow salvo article.

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Post by Book » January 21st, 2022, 5:31 pm

Any objection to acting on the suggestion posted on some of the articles for the following patterns to rename them? That is, rename each of them rather than try to merge them into the symmetry article.

2.2.4
2.2.5
2.2.6
2.3.3
2.3.4
2.3.5
2.3.6

(completing my thought)
I agree that the DRH positional names are obsolete and have to go. But while apgcodes are great identifiers they seem problematic as pattern names. They are hard to impossible to remember and names should be easy to remember and use to communicate and use. So what is wrong with #P#[.#] naming? So instead of 2.2.4 becoming xp2_8ilhmgz14a86 it would be 19P2.n (just need to determine n).

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Post by LaundryPizza03 » January 25th, 2022, 12:53 pm

The OEIS sequence A196447 is mentioned in relation to the construction of the grandfather problem, but should it also be mentioned somewhere on the Garden of Eden page, most probbly under "Explicit examples"? If I assembled it correctly, it should be:

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#C Nicolay Belchuenko, 13 October 2011
x = 17, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obo2b5ob3ob2o$3ob4ob3ob4o$10ob5o$2ob3ob10o$ob6ob8o$14ob2o$b14o$4ob11o$
2ob9ob4o$5ob7ob3o$2b13obo$b3ob3ob8o$bob7ob3ob2o$b4ob3ob3ob3o$b3ob4ob7o
$bob4o2b3ob2obo!

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!
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Post by muzik » January 27th, 2022, 7:21 am

Could someone that knows what they're doing update List of common spaceships? The last update to that page's statistics is from pre-natural loafer days, and at least three natural spaceship discoveries have been made since then. The actual statistics themselves would also benefit a lot from an update given the massive increase in searching power and sample size that has happened recently.

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Post by Book » January 30th, 2022, 3:01 pm

I'd like to merge "2c/3 orthogonal" into "2c/3". Objections?

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Post by hotdogPi » January 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm

Book wrote:
January 30th, 2022, 3:01 pm
I'd like to merge "2c/3 orthogonal" into "2c/3". Objections?
As long as it's just named 2c/3. The 2c/3 wire is diagonal.
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉟,㊱,㊳S,㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,70,72,74S,75,76S,80,84,90,96,100,102S,108,110,114G,116,117G,120,126G,128S,138,147,154,156,196S,217,486,576

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Post by Book » January 30th, 2022, 3:14 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
January 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm
Book wrote:
January 30th, 2022, 3:01 pm
I'd like to merge "2c/3 orthogonal" into "2c/3". Objections?
As long as it's just named 2c/3. The 2c/3 wire is diagonal.
That's the plan.

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Post by Chris857 » January 30th, 2022, 8:34 pm

On https://conwaylife.com/wiki/Main_Page, down in the Pattern Collection section, I am seeing:
  • Glider syntheses for {{#dpl:categorymatch=Patterns_that_can_be_constructed_with%|resultsheader=%TOTALPAGES%|format={{#if,:,,:|}}}} patterns.
Did something break with some formatting? Seen in Chrome on desktop and mobile.

Edit/reply from Nathaniel, rather than bumping the topic with a reply: This was a result of a MediaWiki update, which has now been fixed.

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Post by Book » January 31st, 2022, 3:53 pm

Any objection to redirecting "c/5 spaceship" to "c/5 orthog"?

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Post by hotdogPi » January 31st, 2022, 3:56 pm

Book wrote:
January 31st, 2022, 3:53 pm
Any objection to redirecting "c/5 spaceship" to "c/5 orthog"?
Don't do that. There are c/5 diagonal spaceships.
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉟,㊱,㊳S,㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,70,72,74S,75,76S,80,84,90,96,100,102S,108,110,114G,116,117G,120,126G,128S,138,147,154,156,196S,217,486,576

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Post by Book » January 31st, 2022, 4:30 pm

hotdogPi wrote:
January 31st, 2022, 3:56 pm
Book wrote:
January 31st, 2022, 3:53 pm
Any objection to redirecting "c/5 spaceship" to "c/5 orthog"?
Don't do that. There are c/5 diagonal spaceships.
Which is what I meant, oops. So, objections now that my fingers match my brain?

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Post by Book » January 31st, 2022, 7:59 pm

ANy objection to moving 27P4H1V1 to Wings?

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Post by muzik » February 2nd, 2022, 5:05 pm

I assume it'd be moved to Wings, and not Wings (spaceship)?

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Post by Book » February 2nd, 2022, 5:20 pm

muzik wrote:
February 2nd, 2022, 5:05 pm
I assume it'd be moved to Wings, and not Wings (spaceship)?
Yup

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Post by muzik » February 8th, 2022, 7:43 am

Is it at all possible to list pages in other namespaces which aren't linked to or used anywhere? A list of unused RLE: namespace pages would be useful.

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Post by GUYTU6J » February 8th, 2022, 1:10 pm

Congratulations on eliminating the RLE:loafer/RLE:lobster oddity! How exactly does Special:ApiSandbox help with that issue?

Also, what do you think about the three drafts in my user page? A recent complaint inspired me to make a navbox for glider-accepting devices, and I have since included many sorted links in my sketch.
Why do most natural OCA rules tend to get a diminishing span of interest and go into oblivion, like a lost civilization leaving little records for its beauty and power?

I have been focusing on this rule, now in industrial era:

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Post by LaundryPizza03 » February 9th, 2022, 2:22 am

One-cell-thick pattern has a typo. 2^20, mentioned in one of the image captions, is equal to 1048576, not 1048567.

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!
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Post by Ian07 » February 9th, 2022, 7:46 pm

GUYTU6J wrote:
February 8th, 2022, 1:10 pm
Congratulations on eliminating the RLE:loafer/RLE:lobster oddity! How exactly does Special:ApiSandbox help with that issue?
Basically, it allowed us to retrieve a list of pages in a given namespace in JSON format, including the numeric IDs:
Image

(apologies for the large screenshot, this was sent to me by muzik on Discord)

We were then able to access these pages using the IDs rather than the page titles. We weren't able to get to them before, since MediaWiki apparently defaults to the first page it finds with a given title, incorrectly assuming that the duplicate titles would've been caught earlier on.

Next I had to actually move the pages. I deleted the "normal" versions of each page using the ordinary delete menu, then I used the API to move the other version to the same name. Normally, this would throw the following error:

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{
    "error": {
        "code": "selfmove",
        "info": "The title is the same; cannot move a page over itself.",
        "*": "See https://conwaylife.com/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
    }
}
However, I was able to bypass this by specifying the pages to be moved using the numeric ID rather than their name:

https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=102388
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=102390
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=102394
https://conwaylife.com/w/index.php?titl ... did=102396
LaundryPizza03 wrote:
February 9th, 2022, 2:22 am
One-cell-thick pattern has a typo. 2^20, mentioned in one of the image captions, is equal to 1048576, not 1048567.
Fixed by hotdogPi.

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Post by Book » February 11th, 2022, 5:16 pm

There are various "List of common ..." pages on the wiki, based on Catagolue data. They are-out-of-date. They won't be kept up-to-date. They combine data that is reported nicely by Catagolue with other data.

I think they need to all go away.

If so, is there anything worth saving? Or replacing them with?

Unmaintainable data is misleading, making the wiki unauthoritative. What say you?

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Re: Suggested LifeWiki edits

Post by hotdogPi » February 11th, 2022, 5:21 pm

Common objects don't change ranks. They're still accurate.
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Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉟,㊱,㊳S,㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,70,72,74S,75,76S,80,84,90,96,100,102S,108,110,114G,116,117G,120,126G,128S,138,147,154,156,196S,217,486,576

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